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raynpelikoneet
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thrawn2112
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Rayn there are probably hundreds of posts that I didn't like when I read them the first time but the reality is that you're not gonna dive into every single post. The truth is that until hzflank restated his case before the lynch I had completely forgotten his points, or what's more likely is that I wasn't paying attention the first time. What irks me is that this is such a nitpicky issue that you've decided to invest your time into so wtf are you doing? What are your conclusions from this conversation? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Not yet but he is quite useless on D1 anyways and hasn't done anything scummy. I won't go batshit on him becauses given our history in games we played together it's not gonna do anything good. To clarify, me questioning him achieves absolutely nothing regardless of his alignment. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 06 2013 08:36 thrawn2112 wrote: this is so tedious lol Rayn there are probably hundreds of posts that I didn't like when I read them the first time but the reality is that you're not gonna dive into every single post. The truth is that until hzflank restated his case before the lynch I had completely forgotten his points, or what's more likely is that I wasn't paying attention the first time. What irks me is that this is such a nitpicky issue that you've decided to invest your time into so wtf are you doing? What are your conclusions from this conversation? I think we are both right and both "wrong". | ||
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thrawn2112
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raynpelikoneet
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ObviousOne
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ET found a way to call Ceph scummy and then backtrack on it. Clicky | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On November 01 2013 00:03 ObviousOne wrote: I am going to try something new this game. Please sign up. Can you explain what this is? Have you been doing whatever it is? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On November 06 2013 05:11 EchelonTee wrote: i thought waveofshadow and hzflank were supposed to be respected / strong (as stated by players in this game) where the hell are they I thought I'd be able to be back or at the very least phonepost before lynch. Turns out I was wrong and my lab went long. Not that it matters but I'm stating it anyway: I would have removed my vote from hzflank but I would NOT have placed it on gumshoe. There was zero scum motivation for gumshoe to have posted his case(/fakecase?) on me at all and put in the effort he did, and I was fairly sure he wasn't scum. That being said, I don't know who I would have wanted to push a switch to. That also being said, I think I know who I want to lynch tomorrow.  I'll get to that later though.Cephiro's no-lynch plan intrigued me when I saw it; I may have considered it honestly because I have seen stronger towns than this one fail to lynch scum D1 (basically EVERY town fails to lynch scum D1) and there is a real reason to keep people alive on this first day. Given the choice between no-lynch and gumshoe I would have chosen the no-lynch despite the lack of information received---I was already pretty sure of gumshoe. All of this is crying over spilt milk so whatever. What I think may be important to look into is how the lynch on gumshoe progressed and so quickly but again, later. On November 06 2013 06:32 hzflank wrote: Oh don't worry, people's votes on me make no sense, therefore I am relying on them not sticking. For example, WoS tends to think that people are town when they are reading the game in a similar fashion to him, right? Remember when I pushed you and WoS said "I was going to do that" or when I read Syl and WoS said they he read it the same way I did? WoS does not think I am scum, WoS wants me to be scum because I offended him and/or he saw my ego in full effect when he coached me. His vote can still change. As for Thrawn and ET, well they are defaulting to me because they have no one better to vote for and they did not like my case on Sn0. The thing is, if you read me carefully you will noticed that my case on Sn0 was never meant to be pushed. In that portion of the game I actually thought that Umasi and ET were scum. The case on Sn0 was an attempt to engage him which failed. The case was also an attempt to make people view him in a more negative light so that I could see what people said about him when he appeared to be a somewhat easy lynch. People don't really think that I am scum yet still want to lynch me D1. Reminds me of the White flag game that just ended hzflank you are maybe half right? I am not angry at you at that is not a good reason to want to lynch you. I suppose your comment that I 'want you to be scum' is sort of right because it would at least resolve the odd feelings I get from your posting in this game, though I wouldn't go so far as to not think you're scum at all and want to lynch you anyway. The fact that you would say this is very strange because isn't that a blatantly anti-town way to play? Do you think I am anti-town? On November 06 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: while this is true, it's not alignment indicative because of HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH! WoS knows what i am talking about. No Rayn...I'm honestly not sure what you're talking about. Explain please? More to come, but I wouldn't mind some responses/answers first. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On November 06 2013 10:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Really WoS, really? You are "not sure" what i am talking about? No I really don't know what you're referring to. I honestly can't tell based on the context. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Are you referring to me almost getting lynched in ##, or you getting lynched? Because I would think those are completely separate cases to this. In my case had I stayed away and not said anything try to help out the town in my frantic one-hour period, nobody would have tried to lynch me and I wouldn't have had to frantically try to change the lynch target again later on. This is extremely relatable to what gumshoe just said---if he didn't show up nobody would have lynched him, and I understand that completely. In your case---well we've had that argument and we don't agree on the reasons you were lynched. If it's something different from those things please tell me. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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I did the exact same thing in ##, i got back when i could have stayed afk and not get called scum for it. I was scum. There was nothing alignment indicative in that comment because whatever way you look at it it's WIFOM. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On November 06 2013 10:01 thrawn2112 wrote: Can you explain what this is? Have you been doing whatever it is? Was thinking about choosing one person and discussing things as I'd we were confirmed town to one another (until extreme evidence of scumminess manifested through activity) in the interests of facilitating some discussion but I decided nobody would really want to read. So no. I modified it to just trying to have rational discussions but that doesn't seem to be working either. Well, I guess it sort of worked that way with gumshoe but now he's fucking dead =[ | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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This is extremely relatable to what gumshoe just said---if he didn't show up nobody would have lynched him, and I understand that completely. And this is not true because of the following: (1) hzflank was here defending himself. (2) i just got back, ET lynch was not going to happen for some retarded reason and i really clearly had implied gumshoe was my #2 target for lynch. If we assume gumshoe is scum, it is not really hard to make an educated guess about who is going to be the next lynch target if hzflank lynch does not go through. It is going to be either gumshoe or Onegu. Do you disagree? | ||
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ObviousOne
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WaveofShadow
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On November 06 2013 10:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: No WoS, the thing here what gumshoe said does not refer to you, because he was using that as a defence. I did the exact same thing in ##, i got back when i could have stayed afk and not get called scum for it. I was scum. There was nothing alignment indicative in that comment because whatever way you look at it it's WIFOM. You're wrong. Look at the timing of gumshoe's and my posts. How long before you were lynched did you 'come back' from being afk? There's a massive difference. I really don't want to argue with you about this though because it's going to turn the thread into a shitfest and I already know you and I will not see eye-to-eye on this. It's irrelevant right now; I only wanted to know what you were originally referring to. On November 06 2013 10:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: And this is not true because of the following: (1) hzflank was here defending himself. (2) i just got back, ET lynch was not going to happen for some retarded reason and i really clearly had implied gumshoe was my #2 target for lynch. If we assume gumshoe is scum, it is not really hard to make an educated guess about who is going to be the next lynch target if hzflank lynch does not go through. It is going to be either gumshoe or Onegu. Do you disagree? I don't disagree that you would have tried to push him next anyway, but how do you think that would have looked on you if gumshoe hadn't come back at all? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 06 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote: You're wrong. Look at the timing of gumshoe's and my posts. How long before you were lynched did you 'come back' from being afk? There's a massive difference. I really don't want to argue with you about this though because it's going to turn the thread into a shitfest and I already know you and I will not see eye-to-eye on this. It's irrelevant right now; I only wanted to know what you were originally referring to. I don't disagree that you would have tried to push him next anyway, but how do you think that would have looked on you if gumshoe hadn't come back at all? WoS i am talking about D1 in ## where i am referring to myself. I don't care how it would look on me. And that's not the argument here. The argument is there is nothing alignment indicative in his comment and i know it because i just did the same thing as scum, therefore the comment can be come from scum. If it could not come from scum i would have flipped town in ## game. If there is something that makes you think mafia!gumshoe could absolutely not say that and it had to be town!gumshoe, then tell me why so we can discuss it. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On November 06 2013 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS i am talking about D1 in ## where i am referring to myself. I don't care how it would look on me. And that's not the argument here. The argument is there is nothing alignment indicative in his comment and i know it because i just did the same thing as scum, therefore the comment can be come from scum. If it could not come from scum i would have flipped town in ## game. If there is something that makes you think mafia!gumshoe could absolutely not say that and it had to be town!gumshoe, then tell me why so we can discuss it. We've already been over this. Gumshoe's entire early game posting makes no sense from a scum standpoint. (And for the record you are comparing apples and oranges if you are referring to D1 in ##. I disagree and that's all there is to that.) I'm not sure that it makes sense right now to go through his filter here and Basterd to debunk your case on him post-hoc because hindsight is 20/20 (or 6/6 in Canada!) and I can't be sure I won't be biased. | ||
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