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was reading cephiro (after sylencia)
I think it's actually patently absurd that someone can be so anti-WoS. Just as an aside.
He also hasn't posted for an entire day, but that stands for more than a few people (I lay claim to this feat), but it's weird because he gives the indication of being here and then totally isn't here.
On November 07 2013 05:35 Cephiro wrote:
Just got back home (15 mins ago, took a shower as I came from practice.)
Is there anything really relevant I should know of right away? I believe I should easily catch up before the deadline, but don't count on any deeper analysis in that timeframe.
Not that this makes him overly scummy, he's just somewhere south of null for me atm, probably my #2 lynch after vanesco.
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On November 08 2013 13:03 Vanesco wrote:
This town is seriously ignoring so many things its putting town at a setback in my opinion. Like seriously, its now Day 2 and we are in a worse position than at the start of the game. Now instead of 10 townies we are down to 8 while scum are still at 3. What has town learnt? Not much apart from having more time to make reads on player interaction. Why is nobody interested in following up on how gumshoe was killed or why OO was a target?
So far (unless I accidentally missed it in the thread), Umasi, EchelonTee (now kinda excused since replaced), Sn0_Man, and Cephiro have not given any type of explanation as to why they decided to change their vote onto gumshoe in the last few minutes, which I am still waiting for. If those 3 (this is excluding EchelonTee) are allowed to get away with lynching a townie without ever even having to reason why it would be a big mistake. If one of those 3 happens to be scum then its like giving them a free pass on a kill.
OO's death is interesting in my opinion since a few people were kinda talking about lynching or thinking of lynching him come day 2. I think that regardless of if OO was NK or silver bullet shot, there was a reason why they chose him over somebody else. It seems that OO was mainly focused on sno for most of the game. He was also suspicious of others however sno is the one that seems to occur many times and sno's posts have very much the similar type where he has been mainly wanting to get rid of OO.
##Vote: Sn0_Man
for my part: mainly because I was unsure about hzflank, and gumshoe was a better alternative.
I generally am leery of when people separate themselves from the thread so much in a /higher and mightier fashion, like 'wow you guys are duuuuuuumb and bad and not doing things effectively'
Is there a reason you're voting for sno aside from OO's interactions with him? (which I haven't read.)
You kind of jumped in thought process from
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433955¤tpage=27#523
sno_man:
Coming into this I am very cautious because he seems to be one of the people everybody is jumping on. He seems to want to lynch Onegu near the start because he cannot read him (terrible accusation). He has a very carefree attitude and he hasn't really given any real reads in my opinion. I am worried however that scum might tag along the sno train to lynch town. I have a null read on him atm but that is because he hasn't really said anything. No matter what his affiliation is, I think he is playing without care of the game.
to 'he's pretty scummy' to voting him, but you never actually address things he says as far as I can tell.
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Yes, 'generally' being the key term.
rayn was weird for doing it as well, but he was also doing something to improve the state of the game iirc. This is just shitflinging.
and I dismiss it when you do it because entertaining the notion that you're scum at this point feels fucking ridiculous, as I think I've asserted multiple times. and if not, I'm asserting it now T>T
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On November 08 2013 13:23 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 13:17 Umasi wrote:
Yes, 'generally' being the key term.
rayn was weird for doing it as well, but he was also doing something to improve the state of the game iirc. This is just shitflinging.
and I dismiss it when you do it because entertaining the notion that you're scum at this point feels fucking ridiculous, as I think I've asserted multiple times. and if not, I'm asserting it now T>T So let me ask you something. DId you read what I wrote about Sn0? thrawn my vote is exactly what I said it is. I am not moving it right now. Did you read what I wrote about Sn0?
no, I didn't. I searched for it and didn't find it, maybe I'm just blind.
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TOTALLY blind.
no real comment on it, didn't sway me either way.
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I'm not going to be around for the lynch today, will check in as frequently as I get the chance.
##unvote
##vote: cephiro
I'm most comfortable with Cephiro out of the people who look likely to get lynched, although I should be able to consolidate should he not be close to getting lynched.
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regarding cephiro, he sure as shit is more likely to be lynched than vanesco. I will be able to change my vote before the lynch, so I'll do that in some number of hours if it is required of me.
baby steps.
afk for class
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Cephiro has done nothing to make me more or less suspicious since the lynch occurred. More annoyed, since I was also looking forward to his claiming strat, but it can't be helped I suppose.
Still prefer vanesco as a lynch
##vote: vanesco
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if I were pretending to give a shit, you would think I actually gave a shit.
far more pressing is the fact that you called me umi.
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Alright, I'll expand.
Thrawn
Obvious town, I won't bother talking about him right now. If someone needs an explanation why Thrawn is town, I'll provide one, but I think this is self fucking explanatory.
Rayn
Rayn has been actively pushing the thread, pushing activity, forcing people to respond, and a general pro-town force in terms of thread discussion. His voting behavior has been rather sketchy, evidenced by him being hard on onegu and instigating the vote swap onto gumshoe (although I was totally down with the swap), but sketchy voting I can look past when you look at his everything else.
Sylencia
I followed his thought process 100% throughout the game, has been consistently active, just not volume posting. Basically, the entire 'our thought processes frequently match up' is what makes him townie. That said, still want him to be active.
Cephiro
Read Sylencias posts regarding ceph, I agree with most of them. Am frustrated that vote claiming thing isn't working out, but that doesn't make him scum. It's scummy how hard he dropped his WoS push
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433955¤tpage=25#496
No post after that even addresses him, even though there's nothing to indicate him changing his mind about WoS.
Cycle 1, I was elected
Action set:
I priority action-ed the following:
#1: Jailkeeper Rayn
#2: Check Onegu
#3: Track Vanesco
I jailed rayn because he was pretty townie throughout day one in terms of activity/pressure/etc, but scummy for the gumshoe swap, and didn't feel quite right.. so if he was town I figured he'd be in danger, and if he was scum I might block an action, so win-win.
I checked Onegu because of the inexplicable ???? about him, this obviously did not occur.
Tracked Vanesco for proof and stuffs, although it might have been smarter to roleblock him. but wuevuh.
I voted into the council the following: wave, sylencia, obvious one
wasn't exactly comfortable with a rayn vote, as evidenced by my not voting him.
Would have jailed Wave because he has a habit of dying n1 but I voted for him, so didn't want to do that.
I'll finish reads tomorrow, I'm sleepy, if anyone wants me to expand on any particular one I'll happily do so (eventually.)
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(also, I was playing league with friends tonight, sorry for not devoting that time to talking with you instead thrawn. this games kinda lower than league on my priority list.)
(not that you should excuse me for this, do whatever you want *shrug*)
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Koshi
Koshis play on its own has been kind of alarming, with regards to his day one. He was much quicker in newbie mafia XLVII at getting into the game, and has generally been dead weight. That said, he's picking it up currently, so good stuff there, I hope he continues.
Judging the slot (hzflankxkoshi) it's townier, so slight townread.
Hopeless1der
Similar to koshi in that he's replaced and been not active, but I haven't seen him start to pick it up. (I realize that I'm the poster child for inactivity.)
That said, no posts of his are actually scummy, he's done well at explaining his reads as he read through the game, and they all seem genuine.
slot itself (ETxHopeless1der), doesn't really change it, so slight townread.
Sn0_Man
WoS, Onegu, and Obvious One were all suspicious of sn0_man, and good points have been brought up against him constantly. I haven't gotten out of the back of my head the 'he's lynchbaity' notion mentioned d1, so that makes me a little more lean town... But more frequently than not scummy people are scum so wuevuh.
I also lean a little town because of A: his filter size (showing he's genuinely trying) and B: Lots of comments seem to be thrown out flippantly. But there's been a lot of steam rolling towards his lynch all game, so I'm just genuinely unsure regarding sn0.
Vanesco
I've disliked him since his first post regarding Sylencia, I second the point that it doesn't seem like he has been trying to scumhunt, and his posts always come across as super constructed. I don't think his posts on Sn0_Man make sn0 scum, and he's obviously wrong regarding me. He's had the thought that both Sn0 and me are scum since day two, this hasn't changed, he hasn't pushed us, and I still don't really know why. scum.
Preferred lynch order is Vanesco>Cephiro>Sn0, although kinda not sn0.
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I won't be here at the deadline.
Anyone have questions why vanesco is the candidate to vote for?
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I won witchcraft N2
Tracked Cephiro, he didn't visit anyone
I have a pretty solid amount of work coming up in the next few days, will be largely participate, will try to get in when I can.
I guess in revelation of cephiro being town, I'm less sold on Sylencia being town...Although I'm still loathe to go down that path and lynch Syl. That said, it basically leaves Sn0 and one of koshi/hopeless for me, although I'll bounce Syl/koshi/hopeless around. Kinda weird how Vanesco was 'suspicious' of Sn0, so...idk if that frees him from suspicion or not, but it's a mark in his favor imo.
('suspicious' isn't meant to implicate sn0, just how vanesco couldn't have been legitimately suspicious of anyone.)
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~kind of here.~
I still think Sylencia is town, but I also think you and rayn are town, so it leaves hopeless/sn0 by poe.
That said, sn0 has been really townie recently, and the entire vanesco bussing him thing really sticks out...so maybe I'm just flat wrong on sylencia :|
Definitely okay with lynching hopeless, though, and then between sylencia&sn0
##vote: hopeless1der
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Sylencias been a good feel read for me at most stages through the game. He was obviously wrong regarding Cephiro, but hell, I followed his reasoning there.
That said, he's been pretty ineffectual for a while, so I'm looking forward to
On November 13 2013 00:20 Sylencia wrote:
LOL wow I was wrong, I feel dumb now ^-^ Sorry thrawn :D I'll catch up during the day if I'm alive, which I don't doubt I will be since I'm so scummy now D:
Just to see how he's approaching things.
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I'd lynch Sylencia, logic prevails over my agreement with Sylencia throughout the game, and logic is saying that, because sn0 went so full tryhard, flippant, and 'honest'? Him being scum would be surprising.
It wouldn't be surprising if Sylencia were scum, I'd just have been wrong.
Hopeless is scummier than them because he didn't have the entire 'followed his thought process all game' thing going for him like sylencia does, and he didn't go full active mode like sn0 did.
I'm slowly talking myself into a hopeless/sylencia are scum situation, by virtue of sn0 being very townie recently, and vanesco having him as scummy for so long.
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Alright.
##unvote
##vote: sylencia
you've had enough time to post man.
I think that Sn0/Hopeless is possible, but sylencia has outdone no one this cycle, so I'm down with his lynch. If Sylencia were being modkilled, I'm atm kind of torn on who I'd vote for, probably hopeless still.
I will be around for the lynch tomorrow.
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why did people vote me as blue d1/d2?
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