Newbie Mini Mafia L

On October 25 2013 10:43 DarkAmethyst wrote:
/out

On October 25 2013 11:59 JonnyLaw wrote:
Better out than inactive.

On October 26 2013 03:29 Bereft wrote:
look at playerboy and balla joking around with that air of camaraderie. it's because they're scum buddies LYNCH THEM

On October 30 2013 09:49 onlywonderboy wrote:
I mean, he's sorta right. I think the last couple games have been bogged down by people posting novels and everyone assuming longer posts equaled more accurate content. There's nothing wrong with a long post if it's warranted, but people need to realize short and concise posts can be just as useful.

On October 30 2013 13:41 StorrZerg wrote:



well i said what i meant
i did not know what to think of it. I don't usually have people posting about how to play the game in this context, and probably why it was said was based on previous experience with the newby games. I can agree with things that are said (post content, "fast paced" lynch lurkers) I find it odd that you have to put the game in a very defined manner though. at least it feels to me you want the game to be played out like this, with no exceptions.

On October 30 2013 14:15 Obzy wrote:


Does this thread seriously look active? =l

On October 30 2013 17:14 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
asians always get shafted wrt times ):

so as promised, i'll try to make some reads this time rather than just not posting. so far i'm liking either Vanesco or cakeman for a day 1 lynch. cakeman constantly questioning himself is questionable (c wut i did thar?) and Vanesco's points are iterated nicely by Jonny above ^, although some parts are a stretch. barring any other sort of information so early on, i would think apologetic-ness / questiony-ness is suspicious to me.

On October 30 2013 11:46 Vanesco wrote:
@Obzy
In my mind I play by thinking everybody is potential mafia at the start(except for me and you). Maybe defending was a wrong word to use, instead maybe redirecting would be better. If Balla and cakeman are mafia together, then it seems like cakeman is trying to redirect off of Balla by saying that there is no concrete evidence (like I have said many times before, there shouldnt be on page 1 of day 1). It just seems very scummy since the only way to get people to talk at the start of the day is to put a bit of pressure and he is trying to take it off Balla.

On October 30 2013 15:28 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Van
I don't have anything too strong but I do like the way you have been approaching things from multiple angles as opposed to just tunnel visioning on one person or thing I feel like that is a pro town move. My other read thus far is on Balla I liked that she was calling me out for not posting for awhile when I had previously given some input that seems pro town to me posting more is always better!

Also I'd like to know what you(van) think about the July vote from store/obzy? Too soon? I'm new so the timing may be fairly typical but seems early too me I'm just starting to build up some reads here not sure I feel comfortable voting yet.

On October 31 2013 01:22 July617 wrote:



If apologetic-ness/ questiony-ness is suspicious, then doesn't your post sound like a bit of an apology? "You're going to "try" and make reads (Often times mafia "try" to make reads to look like they're contributing ) , and you also agree with Jonny's points but you still question parts of it because they sound like a stretch ?
I dunno, maybe i'm reading too into it or maybe i'm not but that's my town post for now .

On October 31 2013 01:55 onlywonderboy wrote:

That seems...very aggro. I don't think there's anything wrong with giving people a heads up if you're going to be MIA. I mean I guess scum could hide behind those sort of posts, but just just putting a blanket out there that all MIA warnings are scummy seems weird to be.

On October 31 2013 02:10 July617 wrote:


You call it not enough , as far as I know you could be mafia or town, I know i'm town and if my post's aren't enough then do what you will , I don't plan on digging my own grave with 1000 post's of useless crap, I want to keep them precise and to the point . and if that's not enough for you balla then oh well.

On October 31 2013 02:57 E00e wrote:
My posts are my thoughts about the game arent they?
Jonny's and July's posts seem off because they are inconsistent.

On October 31 2013 10:19 Vanesco wrote:
@Balla
I do not like your vote at the moment you made it. It's like you are saying you will look into it but vote before doing so, as if it doesn't matter if storr has posted something useful or not.

On October 31 2013 10:44 Vanesco wrote:
Balla you mentioned before that you are holding off your reads because of lurkers. Now that most of us have said something, may I ask what reads you have, especially since you keep asking people on their opinions on others. It seems to me like you should have some info that could be useful to town since we are starting to get into early votes.

On October 31 2013 12:36 OdinOfPergo wrote:
@ Balla, if you are referring to a Vane call as scum that Jonny wrote on PG 10... wtf are you talking about?
Because even if you are referring to his call out on Vane... It doesn't make any sense. And you'll here why when I get the chance to freaking post my reasoning behind my reads.

So that makes..
Vanesco, Balla, OWB, Obzy, Storr, and myself all scum.
Well shit. I guess you better get to lynching.

On October 31 2013 14:02 OdinOfPergo wrote:
@ Balla,
reading the page leads me to nothing.
You give me a quote link to this;



I'm not entirely sure what to think of this... please elaborate.

On October 30 2013 13:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
@cake Nah, I'm keeping that opinion to myself for a while. I'm not telling anyone how to play on day one.

Nyxnyxnyx is active in lol subforum. I expect to see him post in the next few hours. It's an awkward time for him.

@storr If you've played or obs'd newb games you'd understand his concern. This thread looks active and that's an oddity from what i've seen in the last two games.

On October 31 2013 14:30 OdinOfPergo wrote:


Alright, I don't understand apperently.
What I get is;
Nyx is supposedly active in Lol Subforum.
I came to TL Mafia from LoL. I Play a lot of Lol. I could of missed something if he posted here, I admit.
But I did not get any notice to anything new during this time period.
I get a notification through the webs anytime someone post something new to any of the L.O.L. Sub forums I'm subbed too.
I didn't see any notice for Nyx. If he posted somewhere else, PLEASE LINK ME TO IT. I'm -5 GMT (Indianapolis, Indiana) so bear that in mind. I didn't get a notice. Jonny claimed he was active in Lol sub-forum. .... .. .. .. .... I didn't get a notice.
He wasn't active or he didn't post in a area that trips my auto response. Give me a link that shows he was active somewhere.
Otherwise I will stick to my original statement and say Jonny's full of it.

On October 31 2013 15:09 StorrZerg wrote:



sheeping you as a mafia is a great way to stay under the radar and provide "content" with out actually doing anything.
thinking its not a thing mafia would do is kinda stupid imo

like you going on someone, they can follow with little back lash if they flip town, or if they flip mafia they get mega cred for helping to kill a mafia

On October 31 2013 15:59 Vanesco wrote:
What are peoples opinions on E00e? He has done nothing to this game, has hidden from accusations, and is a lurker. It seems like everytime he is brought up people just forget about him.

On October 31 2013 23:12 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
once again this is a situation where timezones have a real effect. it's now 10 hours to deadline and we don't really have a clear consensus on who to vote for. i'll be around for a bit more but then i'll have to go to sleep before the rest of you guys scramble to vote in the last few hours.

i don't like how tehpoofter posts. minus the inactivity thing, he posts a lot more when called to defend himself and makes minimal probes on others, as if he doesn't want to overplay his hand and accidentally reveal something. as such, my vote will be for him right now.

##Vote: Tehpoofter

On November 01 2013 02:01 July617 wrote:


Sounds like a mafia play to me .

On November 01 2013 02:02 nyxnyxnyx wrote:


E00e was a crapshoot when i thought the voting was closing in 5 hours time. at that point E00e had pretty much nothing posted and was pretty much just a lurker vote for me to fulfill the 'must vote' condition.

On November 01 2013 02:31 JonnyLaw wrote:
Really? He claims to have read it four times. You don't forget on your fourth time through.

On November 01 2013 02:59 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I haven't been jumping on Storr as much because it seems more people have jumped on July, and there's some defense of Storr. I think a July lynch would be easier. I'm more than willing to switch to Storr if it looks more likely to succeed than July.

Was defending me an easy defense? Jonny was the first to defend me, and I think mafia would have preferred to leave suspicion on me.

On November 01 2013 03:04 July617 wrote:



It makes me weary that people are bandwagoning all over the place.

cake man you switched your vote from Tehpoofter to me and your reasoning is what exactly ? "I understand the suspicion on Jonny. But I don't think he can/should be lynched today." < - Why shouldn't he be lynched today you aren't supporting your vote on me you're writing nonsense and hoping that passes as an explanation.

In your last line you write "I'm feeling that July's the one most people have their eyes on. Aside from maybe E00e, who I think has posted better than July" <- What does "posted better" really mean? E00e could be mafia and the only reason you're not suspicious of him is because he post's better?

Voting for someone because of the frequency of there posts or the lack of content in there posts isn't a good reason. You're all looking at my post's trying to make yourselves believe i'm scum when in reality i'm not .

And finally a last bit of your post where you state " Most people seem to be suspecting July, E00e, or Storr. I'm not too sure about opinions on other people, but let's pick from one of those, unless a lot of people come out and claim vote desires that I haven't picked up on. " << You're siding with a majority when you should be looking at every player as scum , why did they vote this way instead of that, what was the reasoning behind it , and why should we believe they are/aren't mafia . These are the questions i think we should be asking .

##Vote: No Vote

On November 01 2013 03:16 Balla24 wrote:
Agreed with that StorrZerg. Can you please make yourself useful though?

On November 01 2013 04:17 JonnyLaw wrote:
Balla, I don't know how you can say I'm playing differently than last game. People tried to have me lynched for pushing stormtemplar who responded well and it got him active in the game. After that I tried to get playerboy lynched for 3 days which could have won us that game but not enough people would listen and read what I said.

On November 01 2013 04:24 onlywonderboy wrote:
Alright, I'm leaving for work and nothing else has came up so I'm leaving my vote as it stands.

On November 01 2013 04:42 July617 wrote:


Do i smell mafia circles forming?

On November 01 2013 04:43 E00e wrote:
At this point I feel like I will get lynched because I got the initial votes nearing the dead line and people signing off with them. If you are going to vote for me because you just want to have somebody lynched Id like to remind you that a few people could be the target of this vote and the votes on me really started with the accusations on me that I disproved (at least no one said otherwise after I posted my statements about them).
I believe other players could still get lynched and if you vote you should conscious of the fact that is just a "bad feeling".

On November 01 2013 04:59 July617 wrote:
##Vote Tehpoofter

Reasoning : He hasn't been seen since page 20, if we're all for lynching lurkers then I think he's the way to go .

(I'll take my vote off if he does give a good read, until then i stand by my vote)

On November 01 2013 06:56 JonnyLaw wrote:
He's played mafia before. Do you really think he's that bad at this game to play like this as scum? Maybe he is, I don't know.

Coming and derailing the thread is much scummier. Odin blatantly lied multiple times. I cannot stand that behavior and it seems indicative of scummy play. "Yo trust me, I read the thread 4 times but I'm still on page 12." Like I said as I reread the filters I'd be happier with a lot of other players at this point.

On November 01 2013 06:56 Obzy wrote:


This post makes me want to lynch Jonny a little bit, I'll be honest. July hasn't posted anything useful. If he had, we'd learn something 'after he flips town.' That said, "July's posting with confidence" - wth? E00e being a better lynch because he condemned Jonny's primary scumread? Storr being better because he hasn't changed from before? I don't want to lynch you today, but this post makes you look absolutely awful if July flips town. =l

(If he flips scum, you don't exactly look much better for it, though)

On November 01 2013 07:00 JonnyLaw wrote:
No, if E00e flips town I feel okay dropping odin as a read.

Are you kidding me Obzy? July's said whatever he wants all game not caring what anyone else has said about him. If that's not confidence it's stupidity if he's scum. I believe most players in this game are not stupid.

On November 01 2013 07:06 Obzy wrote:
Oh, also, instantly martyring when a few votes come in isn't really what I would've expected, given how pressure has slipped off of people that have begun actively posting. July, if you're insistent, then please give your reads on the other players in this game. As of right now, your only read is on Jonny here:


What are your thoughts on other people?

On November 01 2013 07:12 July617 wrote:



Thank you . You should be able to see the difference in my SK and Town play's easily, as SK i played very weak and fragile, in this game at least I think I'm trying to stay on point with my post's not talking about useless crap like i did in the last game. You'll notice as well that i'm on everyone's radar at the moment because of my posts , personally if i was mafia i wouldn't have answered people's questions when I was asked why i was no voting , if i was mafia, i would have just stayed quiet and let you all lynch E00e , but I didn't, I spoke up and said something that was basically an instant facepalm , why? To show you that I am town and that I'm not afraid of being on the chopping block because i know i'm town and I want other town to feel confident enough to trust my play style.

On November 01 2013 07:26 Vonthin wrote:
I really want to hear from Odin before we lynch July, he said he might be back before the deadline right?

On November 01 2013 08:46 Obzy wrote:
Yeah, tentatively. I need to leave basically the instant the deadline hits, and I'm at work so if somebody comes to talk to me I may just disappear lol.

On November 01 2013 09:26 JonnyLaw wrote:
You've done nothing except shit talk me and follow obzy. You roll scum 3/3 games? Answer my question!

On November 01 2013 09:29 JonnyLaw wrote:
So, what we've leartned from july's lynching.

You said we'd learn something and I did. I learned odin's probably not scum but you very well are scum balla.

Joined the wagon late, as in your last two games. Try to discredit me. Woo getting interesting.

On November 01 2013 09:13 Balla24 wrote:
Right now? You. This was easy~~

On November 01 2013 09:38 Balla24 wrote:
If you're talking about "if u had 7 votes" question then I already answered that last page. Not only that, but what does me not answering that question mean anyways? If I was scum, what benefit would I have to not answer that question? You're reaching for more BS, IMO.

On November 01 2013 09:52 JonnyLaw wrote:
Balla man I really do want that question answered. You sidetracking it does not help. If you won't answer neither will the lurkers.

On November 01 2013 10:23 JonnyLaw wrote:
I want people to answer that question so I can see where people stand individually instead of with someone as a shield for them. Is is that hard to see?

On November 01 2013 07:00 JonnyLaw wrote:
No, if E00e flips town I feel okay dropping odin as a read.

On November 01 2013 09:05 JonnyLaw wrote:
Yo...like I said.

On November 01 2013 14:16 StorrZerg wrote:


ill be honest, i think jonny had enough to convince me to go to odin, hell imo he had better reasons than myself going on july.

On November 02 2013 01:04 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i'm around right now. could you quote or be more specific?

On November 02 2013 02:26 E00e wrote:
I dont think Jonny is mafia. He makes some bad arguments and takes part in pointless discussions but his anger seems genuine and he puts out information.
I feel like Mafia would have pushed for me and July. One of the people who did that is Vonthin. I still dont like their accusation one me and it looks like they tested out who could be lynched the most easily out of July,Odin,e00E.

On November 01 2013 08:22 Tehpoofter wrote:


I really wish you would give us something. :/

On November 02 2013 10:50 Balla24 wrote:
Although, I was roleblocked (they thought I could be blue)... which makes me think it was NOT a blue snipe more then just trying to kill a strong townie similar to last game, because why Vanesco over me (no offense to vanesco and not to sound full of myself) unless they legitimately thought I was blue. We had similar reads, similar cases, but i've been keeping the town much more active and I was far more confirmed town then vanesco, a lot of people were calling me town, etc...

On November 02 2013 13:01 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I'm wondering why you voted after I asked you... you didn't decide to vote with your case, and not much should have changed after I asked.

Balla, can you clarify your reasoning as to why you think there's a mafia who's experienced in an active town?

On November 02 2013 13:08 Vonthin wrote:



I think he is trying to blend in, hasn't had any good reads and hasn't done much besides talk about meta and calling out lurkers when he is a lurker himself

On November 02 2013 16:36 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i think it was something i read in the quicktopic about how we should think about why people say the things they do, rather than the things they actually say. you seem ok, not quite sure how to put it in words.

On November 03 2013 04:22 StorrZerg wrote:


what claim? and if a town blocked you why would they claim... that just outs a blue role for no reason

On November 03 2013 05:05 JonnyLaw wrote:
There isn't necessarily a mafia role blocker, correct?

On November 03 2013 05:16 StorrZerg wrote:


I see no reason to lynch balla to see if he was actually role blocked...
could he be mafia saying this? sure
could he be town saying this? sure

Him flipping would tell us quite a bit regarding if a mafia has a role blocker. I see no point lynching him today, to see if he lied about being role blocked. This information will be available to us when balla flips regardless. He is being far to active in this game while we have far to many inactive players to even consider lynching him today.

On November 03 2013 05:56 JonnyLaw wrote:
I'm just asking a question. I'm not angry. Why should anybody be taken at face value in this game? You should understand that as well as anyone. There's a lot of time until we need to decide on our lynch.

My point is if there is no mafia roleblocker then claiming to be role blocked as mafia makes a lot of sense.

Why did you tell us you were roleblocked? What information does that add to help the town? From what I see it doesn't help us but that could just be a mistake. This is a serious question and I don't know why you're getting so defensive about it.

On November 03 2013 15:40 cakemanofdoom wrote:
Um, I'm not sure. Never been mafia before. Guess I'd push the scummiest looking towny I can find, which would be the same people I'm pushing now if I assume I was the only mafia.

On November 03 2013 05:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
I dunno Balla, you're playing the same game you did in the last two games.

Posting actively, pointing attention at players that are not yourself. Actually, your behavior is nearly identical.

Last game you said bereft played the same town as he did in his first game. He was scum, so were you. When I brought up Odin, you said he played the same game he did last game where he was town and you were scum.

Identical arguments.

You said we get information when july flips scum. What's that information?

On November 03 2013 15:51 cakemanofdoom wrote:
Well, considering the question asked me to think as if I was mafia, I think it's pretty normal to be using phrasing that implies myself mafia lol.

...is laughs the real reason you asked that question?

On November 03 2013 11:32 Balla24 wrote:
Vonthin, thoughts on Poofter?

On November 04 2013 06:39 onlywonderboy wrote:

I made my post calling out Von first, I'm just following up on that. Him accusing me is not the sole reason I'm voting him. I made my case.

On November 04 2013 09:13 Vonthin wrote:


why would you be ok with a storr lynch? Just cause Jonny said Storr by accident?

On November 04 2013 10:14 StorrZerg wrote:
We still have a night lynch coming guys... there really is no reason to set up a night kill for mafia to lynch a town tomorrow...

I am happy to defend myself otherwise, but don't be so hasty to define lynch targets right now

On November 04 2013 14:36 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Balla24, could you make your case for Vonthin being scum? i think that would be helpful because owb has pushed for Vonthin in the past.

On November 04 2013 14:24 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
think about it, why would you list your friend as scum TWICE at all when no one would fault you for just reading something/someone else altogether