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On October 17 2013 08:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Let's give this one a shot. Plus Prom is playing. /in A fair and well reasoned point | ||
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Wait a hot second. You didn't /in or even say hi. Bastard! | ||
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On October 17 2013 12:02 Crossfire99 wrote: Your name used to be fine when filter links had the user's id number in them, but then TL changed them to include their username instead (probably for TL+ purposes) and then your name became terrible. Thank you so much! That would have annoyed me forever. Why does that work? What did you do? I feel like I owe you something. Hmmmmm. I feel like this is an event worthy of a creation of a new mafia currency. yamato77 has just been given 100 Crossfire Credits! ![[image loading]](http://ec.l.thumbs.canstockphoto.com/canstock5714137.jpg) You have to change the [ to % 5 B open or % 5 D closed it's simple HTML and is a bitch. | ||
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OO you get forgiven this once. | ||
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On October 18 2013 08:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya - unless they've changed something I can't join a game until Hogwarts ends. I miss owning your scum team in the face. If only you could in.... | ||
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On October 19 2013 05:55 Blazinghand wrote: inb4 oohchild lynched D1 regardless of alignment Do I look like the kind of guy who lynches newbs for being newbs? Assuming he participates he should be easy as fuck to read. Like what's his name was in carnival. | ||
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On October 20 2013 06:40 marvellosity wrote: Hi Prome! Hi ET! I was LastArgument if you hadn't guessed already. /in Hey gurrrrrl hey! I've missed you. | ||
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On October 20 2013 19:49 marvellosity wrote: Special tactic called thinking, Oats :O Why not give him something he could actually work towards, we all know oats dont think. Oats do. | ||
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Suck it up boy! Smurfs build character. | ||
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On October 21 2013 21:11 Clarity_nl wrote: To be fair, english is a silly language. My teacher handed in our rapporT cards. The teacher built a rapport with his pupils WHY IS IT SPELLED THE SAME because English is a dirty whore of a language. | ||
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On October 21 2013 21:12 marvellosity wrote: it's not spelt the same, it's a report card well can we bitch about how a retort is both a comeback and an alembic? | ||
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On October 21 2013 21:14 marvellosity wrote: I'd rather bitch about how you didn't pick up on the report/rapport thing tbh x 24 hours awake is an excuse for anything! | ||
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On October 21 2013 21:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: /Replace yeeeeeeeeeeeah! On October 21 2013 21:16 marvellosity wrote: But what's your excuse for being awake 24h? School. And caffeine. | ||
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On October 21 2013 21:22 marvellosity wrote: That's not a very good excuse. And therefore your excuse of being awake too long is invalid. Therefore you are a naughty boy who needs spankings. hashtag: logic | ||
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On October 21 2013 21:30 Clarity_nl wrote: Oh yeah it is report, well don't I feel silly now. Still pronounced the same *grumble grumble* Isn't the whole problem that it isn't pronounced the same? | ||
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On October 21 2013 22:37 Clarity_nl wrote: He's posted outside the tl mafia forums which is not allowed if it's a smurf, right? That was my impression, anyway. Am not too sure why it matters either way. I have smurfs which have posted outside of mafia forums. At least one for the sole intent of making sure no one knew it was a smurf. | ||
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I work weird hours though so I'm usually around when oats is. | ||
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unless you have a town read on someone don't power them up. For serious. Why should we help scum this early in the game? Yer all dumb. Lets treat this like a normal game for a little while, get some scum reads and do this right. Random powering up of other people is, in my opinion, policy lynchable, discuss. | ||
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On October 28 2013 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote: So me as town should not ask people to give me powers? Bad Prome. Bad. Whos scum Prome? So you, as town, should prove your townieness before asking for powers. Powering someone up is essentially mayor voting, my guess is that scum can power each other up in thread too but while townies are doing dumb power up shit scum can hide on that. I'm not sure who scum is yet. I've read the thread once and I was distracted by bad play. I'd lynch WoS off his first post but that has more to do with lack of follow up. He used to think better of himself than to just be lazy and do nothing. I'd take Rayn as likely town since he was happy to joke around with his ## powers early on which drew attention. Also assumin g Marv is town using your power to give him so ethi g threw mod pm d1 seems pretty townie. Pandain try Harding makes me feel good about him. Sentinel is townier but that is all tone and I can't explain it. I reserve judgement on Marv for now. Cottoncandy could be town. He pressed the twerk think more than I think scum would. Not sure though. Koshi might be scum, he doesn't feel right but again, I can't condense that into anything more than a feeling. Those are my thoughts so far. So oats, who is scum? And, much more importantly, why! | ||
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On October 28 2013 12:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Read Prome. Read. Pandain is too tryhard about rayn. So are you actually. You focus on setup basically and giving advice in your first post. And you call Rayn town and Pandain town but you dont address the fact that Pandain thinks that Rayn is scum. Isnt that not good? Dont you want to know more about that read? Doesnt look like it. If scum power me up I will be very happy. Do the power up thing to me Prome. Do it and I will give you great happiness and wealth. He is the only one trying in the whole town. We're i scum and everyone was basking in having dumb powers I wouldn't do anything to stop that, the fact that he is doing something is good. He has a read I disagree with and which is dumb. But does that make him scum? I dont think so. Do i Want to know more about the read? Yes, but pan isn't here right now. You are. So I'm talking to you. Yes I am too try hard. That sums up how I play the game pretty well. Rayn, I assume your power which you used on Marv either makes him your mason or gives him powers. Why did you have enough of a town read on him to give him powers? Or is it masoning? | ||
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On October 28 2013 12:26 Oatsmaster wrote: What? I only see 2 people, me and marv that need charging. Other than sent s which has already been completed. So if me and marv are town, scum really doesnt want us to get charged. Right COTTONCANDY?? I also need charging. Koshi needs charging. I assume other people do as well. Curious to hear more from SnB now that I look things threw again. VT is an odd claim and I'm not sure how it fits in this game, he may be trying to run the kenpachi gambit. Need to talk to him. | ||
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On October 28 2013 12:26 Oatsmaster wrote: What? I only see 2 people, me and marv that need charging. Other than sent s which has already been completed. So if me and marv are town, scum really doesnt want us to get charged. Right COTTONCANDY?? Do you have any reason to believe that Marv is or isn't town? You've tried to attack me because he is town but haven't managed to say that he is town. Oats, now. | ||
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On October 28 2013 12:34 HotCottonCandy wrote: this is the post that has me leaning town on him for now. I don't see any reason to divulge that this early if you are scum, or wait until you get reads on players since, well, you are scum. I would be interested to hear oats read on him though. Which is why I asked oats and not you numbnuts. Let Jared answer for himself In The future, he is a big boy. | ||
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On October 28 2013 12:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Trying to do what? Since when is trying townie? Why not jump on Rayn for doing something stupid but not scummy? The real issue i have with Pandain is that he called out Rayn for making A JOKE. Yes. What does that do to your read. Im not used to seeing you this sloppy Prome. You arnt talking to me besides asking me who I think is scum. Oh yeah Prome, what do we need to do to power you up? He built a bad case around a joke yes. But he built a case at all. Which is 100% more than anyone else has done. That doesn't do anything to me read because I know that's what he did because I read the fucking thread. I'm not being sloppy, you are arguing with me over nothing. Go read all my posts. Note how they are addressing you? Okay good. And yes, I want to know who you think is scum. So CW you seem to think I am but won't come out and say it. Stop being a pussy. If you want to accuse me do it. You would need to post ##yolo Promethelax to power me up. If you think I am town please feel free to do so. | ||
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Rayn, I'll take you at your word that your power usage isn't alignment indicative at the moment. I'm sure you can figure out what I was getting at. I still like pandain for the moment based on his try Harding. I do t have meta on him so I get to read him on his play, a nice early try hard adds so e green points for now. Cotton candy, if you are so anxious to type why not say something useful. Early reads? | ||
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On October 28 2013 12:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Prome, what does that "i reserve judgement on marv for now" mean? I found it odd that he came in saying "power me up", then when people actually did that he says this: Why? Oats is right here, if you are town, why would you possibly not want people to power you up? Or if you have a reason for it, why bring up the "power me like this" in the first place? It means that stating my current read of him could I fluency how he plays since he and I know each other quite well and I've usually been able to read him on meta alone. Though I can't be sure anymore at one time I'd have been the person in this game who knew Marv best. And if you were scum why would you not want people to power you up? Clearly because the power is more useful some other day/some other role mechanic. No matter alignment I'm assuming that Marv wants his to,e to be as useful as possible to his team and is doing his best to make it that. However that needs to be done. I'm assuming a careful reread of his role pm made him realize that he is compulsive in some way, or maybe he can mason as many people as twerk him but only once or a myriad of other reasons to hold off on it. Candy: sentinel's tone was pretty light during that, he seemed to be joking around at least somewhat. Oats: important!!! Who said they thought you were third p because anyone can power you up? | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:04 Seuss wrote: Sorry, I was just really surprised at how much people were throwing on the table day 1. It's kinda like all the major town roles soft-claimed in a giant explosion of nonsense. Normally this would be a stupid thing to do, but then this game setup is pretty wonky. Oats is pretty confrontational and terse. He doesn't really address Pandain's concerns about rayn in a meaningful way, but just laughs him off. I don't really follow his [UoN]Sentinel scum/town rayn/Koshi logic because it isn't spelled out at all, it just sort of is. So right now I read him as slightly scummy, but he could just be town who isn't communicating well. We had a lot of those in my last game. Oats communicates poorly. That's his thing. Okay so how about Rayn? What do you think of him and why? | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: Above to Candyman and his Sentinel stuff. Yeah you might be right about marv Prome. It just felt odd to me to ask something and when people do it then say "no don't". Do you think Oats is scum? I dont know. And that worries me. He is talking out of his ass and spouting nonsense but he could easily be town doing that. Given that he is intentionally antagonizing me and I know I'm town and I know he regards me highly I give him a slight town lean over all. It's not based on his play in the least though. All mentality all day. | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:17 HotCottonCandy wrote: I fail to see the light tone but I digress. random CAPS and -_- face and nothing to denote a joking tone does not look like joking to me. If it's not convincing enough then I just need to try harder to find scum. Is not that, it's the casual manner he seemed to approach things in. There doesn't seem like that underplaying worry and over-shoulder-watching that you get with scum. I dunno, it's all feels. | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I powered marv purely because of his "actually i am not sure if you should power me yet" comment. And why did you choose to not power the other three? I the resting sues, I can't say I agree with you but I like you. Thoughts on Marv. Pandain, talk to me about Rayn, why is your vote on him? What were you hoping to accomplish by announcing your return to the thread and if you had to pick one of the people who claims to need to be powered up which would you power up! | ||
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Rayn, fair enough points. I approve and find you townie. As such you and I and maybe Marv are starting a townie circle, which I have the power to create. Oats, why should I power you up? You think I am scum for a bad reason and are generally a silky bastard who I would not give roles to this early. Remember carnival cruise where you never crumbed your cop checks and in death cleared a scum? You can stay powerless thanks. If you think everyone should be powered why have you not powered me and Marv? The two best payers with power up abilities. Pandain, the fick are you doing? Why announce your return and vanish again. | ||
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Koshi is scum. I'll leave this to another power upper to explain as it should show them I am town and show me they are town. | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote: ##twerk Since when are you good at blue Prome. I really dont expect this from you prome. You shit on me for no reason, and you havent called me scum yet, but arent willing to argue your reads with me or do anything to convince people that someone else is scum. You should power me because you think Im town and you havent said im scum. I don't think you are scum. I think you are town. Two reasons I won't power you: 1 is [redacted due to ongoing game] 2 you don't need a power role right now. There are few people who use day 1 power roles really well and you aren't one, if you were mod confirmed town I'd give you power but the risk reward between giving a scum you power and a town you power is not worth it. Since forever am I good at blue. Look at my MS games or chronotrigger or...that might be all my blue games. | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh shit, good point WoS. I also want to know how WoS' entrance to the thread was scummy. I asked about it from PAndain already and he gave some wishy-washy answer. Pandain and Prome, time to elaborate. I'll let pandain explain himself. I found it scummy because of soft town claim. Lack of any content. And dissonance with how I remember WoS. He liked town. WoS people powering people for shits is bad. Reasoning for powering people is good. For instance if Rayn could be powered I would power him because he is good at the game (I'm told) but reads properly townie. I may (probably will) power Marv depending on the rest of the day. I wont power koshi because scum, I wont power oats because see above. | ||
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WoS had two points, 1) the powering thing, already addressed. 2) meta on him but not pandain, I've played with WoS before but not pandain. Oh look, entire case refuted. | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote: What. You wont give me powers because you think Im bad? Non of my powers can hurt town, but they are nice to have. If you think Im town, there is literally no reason to not give me powers. I'm not sure I can be clearer, I think you are town lets out a number to it (this will make the rest of this example easier to show you) I'm 65% sure you are town. There is a 35% chance you are scum. I believe that the way you would use a power role as scum would benefit your team at least twice as much as the way you using your power role as town would benefit your team. Thus I chose not to power you up because I felt the cost benefit analysis suggested that voting you would be more helpful to scum than to town. Rayn, weigh In Here, am I being clear? Y/n | ||
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I found WoS's first post scummy. I pursued Rayn on his powering people up but he gave good answers so I didn't want to lynch him. WoS is now back in the thread attacking and omgusing me, I still find that scummy. He read the whole thread and only comments on me, when I'm clearly pausing a town agenda which he even notices in his first post back but wouldn't have expected it from me. All in all WoS doesn't have anything g to say and you are parroting him because you are mad at me. Not because he has made good points, | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah, no Prome. First, the section Oats outlined. Second, I know how you play. You fucking meta the absolute fuck out of everybody in most games. Why are you halting at Pandain now? You say I 'liked' town? When I had played with you last that was all I had played. Period. If anything I remember bitching about still not having rolled scum yet. Third, the policy lynch discussion---who did you have in mind in your first post when you discussed people randomly powering people up without reasoning? Because I have never played with pandain before p, I cannot use meta when there is no meta. Are you fucking dumb? It was originally addressed to Rayn and koshi. I find Rayn town and koshi scum. | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes, and i think you think alike me regarding the powers. Could you give me an updated read on Pandain? I could but its too early to be clear with each other. Lets play a game: This post is the one I find most alignment indicative On October 28 2013 08:15 Pandain wrote: Alright here it is http://www.omgus.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=135&t=1204&p=51808#p51808 Tell me why and which alignment I think he is | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Do you think as scum I would be likely to attack a town Prom as my primary mislynch target? Prom is there a reason you don't feel like talking to me and instead feel the need to graze over my questions with Oats instead? Am I bothering you? Because oats keeps niggling at them, like he cares, like town. So I talk to him. The fact that you are being dumb bothers me, I didn't think you were dumb. So now I have to figure out if scum or dumb, which sucks, Sorry I'm being hostile, it's been a long day I had to hang out with my future mother-in-law and it was stressful. I'm going to grab a beer and tone it down a little. Seriously though, thinking I'd want to meta pandain when I haven't played with him or (maybe this wasn't clear and its why you are confused) read a game with him in it in real time is really silly. I love meta, dont get me wrong but I can't meta people with whom I have no history. Also I hosted your first scum game. You were a nervous wreck. | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:33 Oatsmaster wrote: So prome, are you gonna tell us the answer to the first question you asked about Koshi? Which question do you mean oats? | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:33 Pandain wrote: I already explained it. I said as an addendum that I was also slightly suspicious of WoS and I explained why. You then seem to not understand that I may have reasons for suspecting someone which are different then yours. I saw a post which said "I'll talk to Pan when he's here" so figure I won't just randomly lurk. My vote is on him originally because he did a whole bunch of scum tells which are indicative of scum. It's not certain or definitive, but it's a read that I had. It got further bolstered by later posts until I had a realization about why he may have revealed his power to Marv, which means I couldn't make my original assumption of limited facts. I don't want to power up anyone because it's like the first three hours of day one. I don't mind other people doing it that much because I think it's retarded, because ultimately I don't think scum would be that bold trying to get themselves powered up at first(so first two are safe); although of course that's not definitive. If I had to power up anyone it would be Koshi because he's posting like a town Koshi for me. + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so here is it in full. marv came up in thread with this: Then he says this: And this: rayn thought process: "marv needs people to power him up. There are other people who also needs powering up. Let's power marv up, especially when he suddenly doesn't want people to power him up, maybe... This is what most likely happens: (1) marv is town, he does good stuff with his powers (2) if he does bad stuff with his powers, or suddenly does not have a power-up power at all, he is probably scum (3) something else, we gain info" Now i do not trust Koshi's (or anyone's else's) ability to do good stuff on D1 or N1 with their power in this game other than you, myself, and marv (no offense to anyone). I also powered up Sentinel because his power would be incredibly easy to fake as scum. "Hey guys, i only need 14 "votes" on me and then i can do good". I really want to know what he does, at worst, he is scum and something bad happens, but it's one time use (as he claimed - if he is lying, we lynch him) and i wanted to confirm that he is not lying and make him burn his power asap because he apparently thinks it's best to use now as he didn't oppose the powering. It gives me a much better read on him based on what the power is. That being said: ##yolo Promethelax Oh god this is awful reasoning I like Oats so far Either you totally bullshitted and bullshitted for three posts which I couldn't know you were lying or it's super obvious that you used a power on Marv. What? I agree with WoS Prom is suspicious. If anything don't defend me for try-hardyness. If I make a poor case, even if i seem to try hard, and keep going on it, and people in that situation if I made a bad case would easily refute me (wich dey didn't btw), then I shouldn't keep with it. Poor reason to defend a townie who seems suspicious (but really shouldn't be cuz if you look deeper he's town). See: All my games where I buddy a supicious townie r u We see your play differently then. To clarify again for everyone early suspicions on Prom aren't substantial, yet. Just indications. Nothing will be solidified until probably after I wake up in 12 hours. How are you suspicious of me? You snuck In one comment on me being scummy for liking try hardness and addressed a mega quote post to Rayn which concluded with my scumminess. | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Based on the context and my thoguht process at that time i do not find that post alignment indicative at all. If there was something alignment indicative in that post, to me it would be that Pandain for some reason at first refused to give out the game (i am not sure if he did figure out what i was after in the first place) -- and that would point towards him being scum. But i do not think it's the case here. Why do you think that post is alignment indicative and to which direction? He didn't want to give out the game because it was personally embarrassing. But when pressed he went ahead with it without putting up any real fight. That seems to me to be the action of a scum trying to be seen as working hard for a better town environment (the classic "please post your filter from that game" scum tactic where one tries to appear involved) without actually adding anything to the town. Were I a townie embarrassed of a past game I'd refuse to post it, he didn't really fight it. Also the most recent post on me being scummy is, well, scummy. If he wanted to call me scum he could have made a case. Instead he quote padded his post to talk at you and added his attack on me in one line and concluded that I was scummy while leaving himself an out. I'd take pandain is likely red with koshi. | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:44 WaveofShadow wrote: + Show Spoiler + (I seem to remember you previously showing examples of meta like crazy even when you haven't played with the targets of your cases, but I could be mistaking you for someone else as I haven't been able to dig anything up.) It's my only scum game. I've been 3P three times and haven't had a scumgame since. It's allll in my profile. The point of that being you really think you can have even a weak meta read on me based on how I played months ago, without having looked at my play since? In your experience are people that stagnant over 10 games that you should be able to pick out my town meta instantly? Whether or not I am right or wrong regarding you and your alignment, it is my opinion that a read of me based on meta, assuming you haven't read into me just like you haven't read into Pandain would be bad play, and I know you aren't a bad player. It's that 'you're better than this' vibe that I seem to get (which incidentally made me right about Palmar in THug, and much earlier BH in Carnival Cruise) that pops up every so often, and your very first post struck a chord with me there as well. I can't explain that one nearly as well, but it essentially amounts to you stating the extremely obvious, which may be necessary for a town to hear, I suppose, but then again I knew very well not to be running around activating powers willy-nilly from the first time I experienced them---so oes it REALLY need to be said, or something that is supposed to make you look good for a good towny post? I can have a weak meta read on you. I wouldn't trust it to lynch you on but it's there none the less. I assume you've changed, but I only know what I know. My read on you was based on four or five things one of which was weak meta. Yes my first post needed to be posted people were being powered up left and right. Just because you were smart enough not to do it doesn't mean that the player base as a whole was that smart, go look at the sent countdown and tell me I'm wrong. | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain why are you saying you look bad yourself? If you are town you are supposed to be right and your posting now does not imply you yourself think you are right.. ##Vote: Pandain That isn't what I'd pick up On There. Look instead at the fact that he posted it to avoid suspicion, like I said. Scum doing something that doesn't matter to look townie, | ||
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On October 28 2013 15:00 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote Pandain! Yeahhhhh lets all vote for him when he cant respond Lol, I was about to suggest we all vote WoS because he went to sleep. Rayn: look in his explanation that you quoted. His reasoning is non townie. To avoid suspicion is crap, | ||
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On October 28 2013 15:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i get that's what you are saying. What i do not get is why would Pandabearguy as mafia think he looks worse if he refuses to post the game? Because mafia. You get a little nervous and you act out of character for a townie. Oats: I think so. Why did you decide to give me power? | ||
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What happened to make your read change? Why do you read me as town now? | ||
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On October 28 2013 15:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Not sure what economics has to do with mafia. You are totally being a pussy by not giving me POWERS. Why dont you read the post before mine? Yeah. So scum Prome posts that? I dont think so. Economics has to do with why I wont give you powers. I'd post that as scum. | ||
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On October 28 2013 15:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so here are the possibilities i see: (1) Pandain is town: I am accusing him of something he does not understand. He thinks i misread his meta from that game (as he said it does not apply to his overall meta) and i might make a case on him about something that is incorrect and not alignment indicative. However, when i push him to give the game out he realizes that looks worse on him if he does not give out the game, and he might get (incorrectly) accused of it. Him being a suspect for incorrect reasoning does not help the town, town is looking into wrong places and wasting time for stupid misunderstanding. (2) Pandain is scum: What you said. Now i think both of the possibilities are equally likely. Why do you think (2) is more likely than (1), because as either alignment Pandain's explanation for the game thingy is the same, and it makes as much sense regarding (1) than it does regarding (2)? I don't have a good reason to read it as two but not one, its just how I read the situation. Oooh, the fuck you say? Read the thread. And don't needlessly role fish. Is bad mmmkay? | ||
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On October 28 2013 16:32 OOHCHILD wrote: After I answer you, this conversation is done as far as I am concerned. Just know that you should not expect me to answer any follow up questions you have. I don't know. I do not trust you to understand this complicated idea, so I am not going to waste my time trying to explain it. Nice to meet you Raynpelikoneet. Your name sounds like it belongs to a species of beautiful, tropical parrot! What? What?! WHAT?!?!? Why do you unilaterally decide to end your conversation? What are the benefits to town of shutting down your discussion with the parrot? | ||
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On October 28 2013 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: So how does that make Pandain scum again? I am not following you.. OOHCHILD: I would rather hear you giving us some reads than talk about mechanics, although i do not understand why do you want to shut down this discussion like Prome said. So could you answer him and then also give some reads on people. There has been a lot going on in thread. What do you make of it? I feel it in my bones. I can't explain logically why it should be scum rather than town, which is bothering me. | ||
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Your explanation of it is reasonable though. You ah, actually didn't say what you dislike about me besides that I interpreted what you said in a way you apparently didn't mean it. You are attacking me to follow thread sentiment, not because you believe it. This post does not dissuade me from thinking you are scum, it just tells me I had the wrong reason for the right conclusion, | ||
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On October 28 2013 18:26 Koshi wrote: rofl I am not attacking you because thread sentiment. I attack you because you attack me based on wrong assumptions. I did not say he was not town for being able to be powered up by any alignement. I said he was 3p for needing EVERYBODY to vote for him. Why 'Rofl' do you think it's funny that I caught you by totally misunderstanding you? | ||
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Sent hasn't come back at all. Rayn had a good point about him that Marv just quoted. OOOH had his little argument with himself and went off again. I finally get to use my favourite words: cognitive dissonance, look how excited he was to play early in pre game and look at him now. Sues was role fishing and every time I asked him for a read he fluffed his posts with summery and gave weak reads I. Either direction. Pandain had his weird early game push on Rayn and some things I personally didn't like. Not sure how much water it all holds. I don't think he is the scummiest dude in the thread and he is t a good day one lynch in my opinion since we are all more or less on board with it. Possible scum at the moment. Koshi is back on the town side of null. I liked his answers to my being an obnoxious ass/prodding enough to remove him from possible d1 lynches. Ditto on WoS. | ||
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On October 28 2013 20:08 marvellosity wrote: Small point of order as I'm reading through - no, he's not doing it right. Careless people. Red my emphasis Point of Oder the y may need to be a Y not sure | ||
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On October 28 2013 20:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Marv what are you seeing about prome? Town or scum? Because that kinda affects whether I fix my thing now or NEVER. So Marv tells you town and you do t lay down the support you already kinda gave, what gives? We're you only going to support me if he said scum? | ||
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On October 28 2013 22:06 Oatsmaster wrote: oh i posted the oohchild could be BH thing. Yeah still dunno why you are worried. Also this is odd. Why would you think this? I think marv is town, so if marv says you are scum, then I give you powers? That doesnt make sense to me. Please explain. Kind of totally just a jab at you. You asked what he read me as clearly implying you'd power me up if he said town; he said town you didn't power me and I made fun of you for it. ha. Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that. Does Clarity still do the be dumb but super obvious townie thing he used to do? Also his follow up is pretty terribad, he clearly hasn't read the whole thread since Oats did 180 his read on me and clarity is pushing him to prove his old read and expound on why I'm scum. Clarity gets added to my above possible scum list. Also meta town read on marv for, well, all the things you are calling him out on Rayn. Day one marv tries to take control and gain something as mafia. Day one town marv does his own thing and chills, makes reads and finds buddies. Marv is playing to his town meta whether you can see that or not. | ||
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As soon as I typed this I realized WoS isn't actually all that new anymore, carry on. Clarity. Explain what oats is doing here that is out of character for him. Unless he started making sense and not doing stupid shit/changing his mind all the time this is totally in line with his meta AND that meta applies to both alignments so even if he wasn't doing that (which he is) it wouldn't be alignment indicative. I'd get you the venn diagram but I think you get my point. | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:49 strongandbig wrote: Hey guys I like promethelax and oatsmaster Nothing as meta as Marv had (tho I don't disagree) but prome makes sense and his thread presence seems to be working towards a scumhunting-positive environment Oats has way better SNR than I think he does as scum Don't want to power up Marv yet and probably not at all today unless we decide to just power everybody, not bc I think he's scum but bc I can't trust a town read on him this early in the game unless he does something unintentionally telling, which he hasn't yet Best case so far in the thread has been oatsmaster's case on pandaman, so weird. I'm a belieber ##yolo Promethelax ##Refudiate Oatsmaster yo bro ##Yolo | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:56 strongandbig wrote: ##Yolo promethelax my b how do you feel about your double town reads reading marv as town? Both Oats and I have a lot of out of game time with marv and are good at reading him based on meta. You might remember (or might not) MTG II where I correctly read marv/you as town while Acro pushed for his lynch and I managed to dissuade the thread from that 'lynch' based on my meta read. I see similar things here. What I'm saying is: 1) marv is good as town 2) both your town reads have a history of reading marv well 3)both your town reads read marv as town 4) why, therefore, do you not believe marv is town? If you believe Oats and I are town you believe in our motivation being townie. You know I am capable of reading marv even against thread sentiment (see above example or look at personality (don't look at personality)) so explain the part I'm missing. | ||
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On October 29 2013 06:19 strongandbig wrote: an answer to this then i go back to work anyway in general my reads on players don't influence my evaluations of their logic. just because oats is town doesn't make him any more likely to be right with his reads; in fact, it probably makes him less likely to be correct. i have almost certainly played more games with marv than you. i've probably read him correctly in a number of those games. that doesn't mean i think i can determine his alignment on day 1 You'll note that's why I bring up out if game friendship. There was a period of six moths where Marv and I sent PMs back and forth willy nilly and talked about every ongoing game in some detail as long as we weren't both in it. It got to the somewhat silly point that when he smurfed into a large normal I sent him a pm d1 saying I knew the smurf was him and that he was town. I can read him day one. Rayn: as to marv's reasoning yes and no. It's a good reason to give me a town lean but I wouldn't base a whole read on me for it. Part of the trouble being I haven't been scum in a while. My last anti town game was CC and I was the serial killer. I'd like to think I'd play well as scum should I roll it again but I haven't had the chance to see in a while. So Marv is assuming I haven't suddenly reverted to a scum maestro which I haven't. | ||
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Marv, I want your thoughts on ooh. You used to believe in a change in passion between pregame and game to be indicative of something. Not any more? | ||
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On October 29 2013 19:24 marvellosity wrote: Could well be, still. It's hard to tell because it's not just a change in passion, it's basically not playing at all. It's tempting to kill him out of spite alone. I think he's a great backup lynch. Would you use your wonderful sway over people to endorse the but about powering me up? If they do that I'll switch my vote onto clarity. ##logic Sent: if you had no idea about what your power did than why did you not work to do anything in the thread? | ||
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On October 29 2013 19:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oh. That makes more sense. I've never done anything useful D1 because I never figured out how to be useful. My plan has always been to sit there, nod along, wait until D2 and then start making good reads. You try www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=[UoN]Sentinel | ||
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On October 29 2013 19:42 marvellosity wrote: The most curious thing is that Prome was voting OO over him O.o Pressure voting over twelve hours before lynch...not really weird bro. | ||
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On October 29 2013 19:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Do we have you twerk your name Marv? ##Twerk marvellosity Prome are you satisfied with me being town yet? also everyone who thinks im town please ##Refudiate Oatsmaster Enough to ##Refudiate Oatsmaster I changed my mind, everyone who is not Marv should ##Yolo Promethelax | ||
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On October 29 2013 19:52 OOHCHILD wrote: Clarity looks busy, like myself. I have empathy for his situation. Do you have any reads though? Does empathy mean town or scum? | ||
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1Promethelax 3WaveofShadow 3.5Pandain 4[UoN]Sentinel 2Oatsmaster 3Koshi 2.5strongandbig 4OOHCHILD 1marvellosity 3Seuss 5Clarity_nl 3HotCottonCandy 2raynpelikoneet | ||
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On October 29 2013 20:17 Oatsmaster wrote: What is everyone's reads on Pandain actually? There hasnt really been much discussion surrounding him. One thing though, it annoys me tremendously that he doesnt want to talk to me about my scumread on him at all. What is your read on Pandain Oats, make the discussion yourself. | ||
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Just how to read Rayn. So yes. | ||
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On October 29 2013 20:42 marvellosity wrote: I see very little reason for you to be that confident in reading rayn given he's played a butt-ton of games since you were last here. Discussion with observers during the Champions game gave me a bit of insight. | ||
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On October 29 2013 20:45 Oatsmaster wrote: OOHCHILD is 3p almost for sure I feel. I dont think hes scum. Uhh. What do you mean by the second part, can you elaborate? Basically when I put all the facts on the table they don't prove he is scum. Like usually with scum when I put the facts in front of me they still look scum. But with Panda I'm not all that confidant when I lay it all out, so there are people I'd like to lynch first: if I had to pick four people to lynch he'd be my fourth, no doubt. But he isn't my top scum read. The facts being: put in a lot of early game effort and started things off when there was nothing going on - townie or trying to appear it bowed to thread pressure really quickly on the OMGus thing - feels scummy but isn't conclusive at all buddying accusation into buddying - scummy refusing to power his town read - scummy no one defended his lynch - townie was attacked by scummy people - townie three people scummier than him - townie the flow of his lynch and the effort in early game make him a bad target for me. | ||
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It was OOH who was getting votes from people who seemed scummy. Not Panda. Please feel free to disregard that bit. | ||
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On October 29 2013 21:10 marvellosity wrote: Yeah. I despise "I can't do/hate Day 1s" as an excuse as well. In my last 4 towngames I've lynched two cops and a vigi on Day 1. Shit happens. Doesn't mean I'm not going to put effort in. Annoyingly Stutters used this excuse on me in Hogwarts as well, and he flipped town. It's just... annoying. Its not just that I hate the excuse. Sent has done d1s in the past. Though in bastard he also did the whole "wah wah d1 hard" thing and trolled around until I shot him (or maybe his in thread mason partner, don't remember, one of them). So yeah...dunno what to think besides either scum or terrible town. | ||
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On October 29 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote: scummy people meaning sent and OOHCHILD? I dont agree with the no defense = town thing, thats inaccurate and false. Woah there cowboy, inaccurate AND false? Sheeeet. | ||
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On October 29 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote: No, I think Pandain is pretty scummy. I'll bounce ideas around with rayn later on. He claims to be able to read Pandain perfectly and I am sure he is willing to provide a lenghty case on why we should lynch Pandain if he beleives Pandain to be scum. If rayn doesn't think Pandain is worth lynching it isn't going to happen anyway. pretty scummy sounds a lot like 'scummy but not the scummiest' if you want to lynch Pandain what are you doing on marv's clarity wagon? | ||
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On October 29 2013 21:31 OOHCHILD wrote: No I will not do that. But I will do this.. ##shun Promethelax Have you considered allowing us to see your reads on anyone? Or playing the game at all really. | ||
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On October 29 2013 21:48 Oatsmaster wrote: So you think this dude is scum because he refuses to play the game after being really excited before it started right? yup. | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:56 strongandbig wrote: ##Yolo promethelax my b interestingly SnB did not do this correctly either time he Yolo'd me. Not sure if intentional but worth noting. | ||
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On October 29 2013 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity, WoS and Sentinel. For the record i do not post if i am not caught up, so whenever i do i am caught up. :p ah okay, so you had nothing to comment on from when you were away? And you don't find OOOH scummy, why is that? | ||
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On October 29 2013 22:40 Oatsmaster wrote: hey hey. Im sure you arent referring to me. Right? I'm a lot better than you. But only because I take my pants off of my head sometimes. Rayn: what does it say about OOH. You liked that one post, so does that mean you think he is town? How do you read his choice to refuse to talk to the more powerful townie voices in the thread i.e. me and marv. | ||
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that isn't marv's case on Clarity. The actual case is: 1) Clarity is scum because he has played with Oats before and knows that the way Oats plays is not alignment indicative, in this game Clarity has taken the way Oats plays and attacked him as scum for this. 2) Clarity is scum because he has a big ole boner for people with good reputations and has given marv the cold should instead of the asshole lick. 3) Clarity played exactly like this last time (I know of) that he rolled scum which I linked earlier. all these things are logical and well reasoned. | ||
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On October 29 2013 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think that's alignment indicative. Why would he, as scum, openly refuse to do so? If he continues doing it he will get lynched for it. It makes as little sense for him to do as scum than it does as town. I am more interested in hearing why he finds marv & Koshi scummy. Because he clearly isn't getting lynched on it today. If I had the ability to refuse to speak to the most powerful townies in the game and claim it is modkillable for me to respond to them I'd do it every time. He clearly has no real reasons for thinking they are scum. Look at what he just posted. Jesus. | ||
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On October 29 2013 22:52 marvellosity wrote: OOHCHILD can very well respond to us, because I guarantee his power requires a capitalised letter at the start, which he has not been using. Ergo anything he's typed has just been for show. which is my point actually. I don't believe its a real power. Like look at his appeal to mods to not modkill him, that rings so false. So he is doing this to not talk to you and me. Who doesn't want to talk to a town you and a town me? Scum. | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:00 OOHCHILD wrote: Marvel, you yourself admitted that Oatsmaster is playing more town this game. What if Clarity reads the behavior you read as more town, conversely, as more SCUM. Than Clarity would have written a very different case than the one he wrote. Clarity: you did it in lix. | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:07 Clarity_nl wrote: Welp, I think marv is town, sadly. So if marv says I should then I should. Don't have a read on you and oats atm, classic | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:09 marvellosity wrote: Big deep breath. Firstly. Clarity, please ##Twerk Secondly, have a look at WoS, Pandain, OOHCHILD filters. Hopefully that's not too much. Let me know what you find, doesn't have to be scummy, just why and what. why don't you want him to refudiate or yolo? | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:11 marvellosity wrote: He reads me as town, so he should do as I ask. I'm not going to ask him to use powers on people he doesn't have reads on, apparently. This was also a silly question that wasn't really necessary for me to answer. No it wasn't, Clarity is refusing to participate and has said he'll do as you say. You have town reads on me and Oats and having more townies powered up is beneficial to town. If clarity won't do things on his own you'll have to make him. | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok prome are you happy now that OOH isnt a newbie and is a smurf? say who now what? | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:15 marvellosity wrote: This is still giving me the heebie jeebies  you have a town read on Koshi/Sent? | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:36 OOHCHILD wrote: Marvel how do you refute the "super bored at mafia" defense of Clarity? If Clarity is off the table who do you want to lynch? because that isn't Clarity's defense? | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:38 Clarity_nl wrote: Are we talking about LIX again? Because I do remember telling you why I did what I did that game. Whatever, fuck you marv. I kinda want to convince myself that you're scum for riding this so hard but I can't be bothered. Never thought I'd martyr in a game of mafia ever, but here ya go. Lynch OOHCHILD after I get lynched because he seems super certain that I'm town. Pandain needs to be pressured down the road, but by the sounds of it if he's scum he'll be caught easily enough. ##Vote OOHCHILD Dude, what the fuck. You know that you have to be lynched for this play even if you are town. This is awful. I really hope you are scum but I'm less confidant now; despite that I really believe you need to die because this is such an unacceptable way to play the game. Not putting in the time is one thing but the way you have been playing while you have been here has been fucking impolite to the other people who are playing the game. I'm annoyed at you as a person. Not a player. | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:42 OOHCHILD wrote: Again, bad logic. Now he has moved to me, even though as mafia it makes no sense for me to try to clear the only alternative bandwagon. Its townie bad logic though. I get what he means and it sucks dick that Clarity is doing this as any alignment. If Clarity is anything I don't like him as a person for this play. | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:44 Clarity_nl wrote: Prome no offense but right now I couldn't care less what you think of me as a person. I could just have afk'd and gotten modkilled instead. But I'm here and I'm being sincere and me being sincere right now is me saying fuck you all and lynching me is bad. If you think I'm sincere then get over your holier than thou bullshit and lynch someone else. If you think I'm doing this crap as scum then you clearly do not know me. I genuinely didn't think you'd do this as any alignment. I thought a lot better of you than this. Telling me you are a bad lynch is pretty paltry, you know that anyone playing the way you are playing is a good lynch. OOH: kindly shove a hot poker up your tightly puckered ass. | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:46 OOHCHILD wrote: It is not townie bad logic for Marvel to move from Clarity to me. That is mafia bad logic. There are other people who Marvel has expressed suspicion of. Like Pandain. Why is he so unwilling to even discuss lynching them at this point? Because marv gets angry and emotional about this game. Because what he is doing is being so mad at how clarity is playing that he doesn't play. Do you want a half dozen examples of marv raging and refusing to play? They are all as town. This is how town marv plays; he would not be able to live with himself if he used this emotional shit as scum because that isn't fair. marv is being silly but he is a townie being silly. | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:47 Koshi wrote: btw, I got modkilled in Hogwarts while being way more nice about CR his martyring/bad play. I am bitter. Yeah well, though I'm fond of <3 I wouldn't play in a game he was hosting. | ||
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Suess you should ##Yolo Promethelax Although I hope OOH eats a bullet I don't think he is a particularly good lynch, he has been attacking me and marv and being a petulant dick hole which, in general, is a townie trait. Attacking people who are general town reads and have any modicum of sway with the town for no reason (or even worse bad reasons) is not a great strategy as scum. My qualm with that is that OOOH wants us to lynch Pandain who, if he is town, is the perfect kind of target to attack if you are scum; along with that the hilarious excuses which he tried to clear clarity with seemed pretty awful. I decided to look back at SnB and WoS as they are the people I thought should be looked at who haven't been hot topics recently. [center] Strongandbig[/center] I liked the few things he has contributed. His non apologetic tone really did it for me during his return to thread. My only issue with him (besides activity) is honestly that he ##Yolo'd wrong though I assume it was a mistake as even I didn't catch it until I went through the thread to find all the ##yolos He also argued with my read on marv which I liked because if he was scum he would want to either blend with my reads (as he did in CC) or really fight them. Instead he argued about whether it would be possible to read marv as early as I claimed to have done. He seemed to be thinking about other peoples' reads as wella s his own. I liked that [center] WaveofShadow[/center] On October 28 2013 06:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Hai guise. I miss being mafia (or even 3P). My power is boring and semi-useless. I'll use it on somebody later in the day I thinks. It's super pro-town. Be back in a couple hours-ish. I've been over this post a half dozen times now and I don't get it. A day activated power which is super pro town and boring? Okay Innocent Child. Done. But he says he'll use it on someone else. I cannot think of a power which now fills the requirements, and that makes me wonder more about how many times he called himself town/pro town in his first post. It sounds like the post of that one guy the one time I coached scum. I cannot for the life of me remember which game that was though. But its also what Ghost_403 said about my play in XIX, it is a scum tell. Along with that I'm all buggered up over WoS being so focused on anti town alignments. "Mafia (or even 3p)" On October 28 2013 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I find the fact that Pandain even gets a slight scumread from my opening post hilarious. He's played games with me and should know almost every single opening post of mine is along the lines of what I rolled and I often whine about something, often what I rolled.  To me Pandain it looks more like YOU are the one who is trying to contribute something to look good---I don't find anything you picked out regarding me OR Rayn scum-indicative in any way, and as such I find your posting incredibly weak thus far. Oh and I suppose I should have mentioned this before the game started but considering my not-so-great play and the embarrassing length of my filter in Thug, I plan on keeping things way more concise than usual. I do not plan to be in the top few posters lengthwise this game. Make of that what you will. Anyway I'm tempted to fuck off until whatever Sentinel did resolves but I suppose that wouldn't be very helpful. Guess we'll see. hurrhurrr. I totally missed this on my first read through but second post excuse for not posting as much as usual when there was no mention of it in pre? Hmmmm....I'll say no. On October 28 2013 14:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Do you think as scum I would be likely to attack a town Prom as my primary mislynch target? Prom is there a reason you don't feel like talking to me and instead feel the need to graze over my questions with Oats instead? Am I bothering you? This confused me originally but now feels scummy, I was addressing the case with the person pressuring me, Oats, and not the person who wrote a bull shit case, WoS who had not followed up on it at all. So WoS wrote a bad case. Didn't follow it up. Accused me for being scum because I talked about the case with the guy who did follow it up. The thing is WoS wasn't terrible when I used to play. I assume he has gotten better and not worse. So he'd know that the shit he is pulling is shit. On October 28 2013 14:44 WaveofShadow wrote: + Show Spoiler + (I seem to remember you previously showing examples of meta like crazy even when you haven't played with the targets of your cases, but I could be mistaking you for someone else as I haven't been able to dig anything up.) It's my only scum game. I've been 3P three times and haven't had a scumgame since. It's allll in my profile. The point of that being you really think you can have even a weak meta read on me based on how I played months ago, without having looked at my play since? In your experience are people that stagnant over 10 games that you should be able to pick out my town meta instantly? Whether or not I am right or wrong regarding you and your alignment, it is my opinion that a read of me based on meta, assuming you haven't read into me just like you haven't read into Pandain would be bad play, and I know you aren't a bad player. It's that 'you're better than this' vibe that I seem to get (which incidentally made me right about Palmar in THug, and much earlier BH in Carnival Cruise) that pops up every so often, and your very first post struck a chord with me there as well. I can't explain that one nearly as well, but it essentially amounts to you stating the extremely obvious, which may be necessary for a town to hear, I suppose, but then again I knew very well not to be running around activating powers willy-nilly from the first time I experienced them---so oes it REALLY need to be said, or something that is supposed to make you look good for a good towny post? In nine minutes WoS looked through all my games. Nine minutes for him to realize he was full of shit. Or he knew it from the beginning. WoS was full of shit from the beginning. WoS is scum ##logic On October 29 2013 09:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah looking over this again, I completely disagree with the first point, and your second point is the best. Problem here is this absolutely does not preclude Prome from being something like 3P, but it is certainly enough to be sure he is not a good vote choice for today, which I was coming around to anyway. I'm way too paranoid to give either him OR you a townread right now though I can say with a fair amount of confidence that there is no way you are both scum. ##Unvote: Promethelax ##Vote: OOHCHILD I'm happy with this as a placeholder if nothing else. I find this really weird, this is not the first time he was brought up 3p so far this game. I'd say he either is 3p or is aware of its existence. Along with that his OOh 'placeholder' vote was the fourth vote on OOOh and he hadn't commented before at all. I don't like that particular vote. In fact, I rather like WoS as scum. Or 3p. Anti town any ways. I'll be voting WoS and I urge you to do the same ##unvote ##Vote: WoS | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:10 Seuss wrote: I'm not as certain of you being town as I am marv and Oats. Also, didn't you get the ones you needed earlier? I thought you wanted people to stop after that. I wrote that before SnB did it. But yes. I did. you should no longer Yolo me. I also see that WoS is the hot lynch now without my help. So woo! | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Prome you say some stufdf that i can't understand. this: Where did WoS say he looked into your games? I don't understand this argument given the quotes. And this: Aren't you basically doing the same thing you accuse WoS of here? as to the bold: look in his spoiler in that quote to the italics: yes I voted OOH as a pressure vote with a reason. WoS voted OOOH fourth as a placeholder. You don't see the difference? | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:33 marvellosity wrote: Your voting history is this, Seuss: OOHCHILD (dude you said you didn't think was scum) Clarity (guy having a bitchfit) --- Not... stellar. The thing is the awful buddying that has been WoS ---> Suess I don't see that as a two scum interaction. | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:38 OOHCHILD wrote: You should care because those are the people who I would vote for. If you are interesting in getting someone lynched, you should care. The thing is I don't need your vote to secure a lynch. Which was my point. Unless you want to convince us to switch targets no one cares what you have to say. | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote: I do think you are capable of using it as mafia, but I think as mafia, knowing I am in the game you'd probably specifically label it as such or make reference to me somehow. You used it rather offhandedly which makes me feel that it was genuine. As far as Seuss, I REALLY don't like his play now. When i originally faked my role use on him i figured he'd come back with strong analysis and play like he did in his newbie and would prove himself a good choice for my power, but he has done basically the opposite: sheeping town sentiment, no reads, and no strong posts one way or another. It may be possible that Seuss is scum atm but I do not feel comfortable pushing anything with the limited time that I have, and would have to read closer which i frankly do not have time for especially if I need to be defending myself. find scum > defend self, fool | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:50 marvellosity wrote: Er, except you asked him repeatedly to answer your case. So... yeah. Stop talking Prome and let him find some mafia, should he wish to. better to reply to case than claim random shitty blue. Better to find scum than reply to case. | ||
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I have a hard time seeing a player hard buddy their scumbuddy as the player who knows that scumbuddy best because at this point if Suess flips red WoS is a policy lynch 100% no question. So since you have had some serious issues with Suess (ones his most recent post exacerbated) so can WoS also be scum? I don't see it. | ||
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WoS is very passive and I don't get it. Like he thought someone was scum at some time probably. But besides his terrible case on me I don't see it. Don't you have a half a dozen people you'd happily lynch? Rayn: see that 9 minute thing now? Thoughts? | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:03 Pandain wrote: There is no way I am catching up to this in time allotted(I have to study for test). Recap please? my day cop power showed you as scum. You are being lynched. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i don't see anywhere where WoS says he will read your past games. Maybe i am just blind, but could you point it out to me with quotes? And the 3p thing was; You called WoS out of being a scum or 3p, and the reasoning was he called you 3p..?? It was spoiled he said he'd looked into my past games to try to find a place in which I had used meta on a player I had not played with before and failed to do so. The 3p thing was a focus on anti town, it suggested to me that he might be 3p. Though 3p hunting is way easier as scum than scum hunting as well. | ||
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suess has the 50/50 role WoS has the pos role they could all be town based on the roles... | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:16 marvellosity wrote: This is stupid, whether people are town or mafia, they're not going to lie about their role. Or they are. It still isn't alignment indicative. Unfortunately. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:20 WaveofShadow wrote: lol. Are you really nitpicking at random shit to make yourself look better? This is godawful play from you Prome. I am saddened. or its a joke. And no, this is godawful play from you. Your vote is on yourself. You don't have a leg to stand on. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:24 marvellosity wrote: Why are so many players playing absolutely disgracefully this game? To welcome me home and remind me that I should have stayed away. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Fine, apparently this is supposed to be much better. ##Unvote ##Vote: strongandbig RNG says SnB. Now I won't get modkilled and everyone will be happy 'cause I'm not voting for myself. If you guys still want me dead, so be it, but know once again this is on YOUR heads for not giving me the amount of time required. Peace. The day is 48 hours long. What amount of time did you need to do anything? How did the fact that the lynch started swinging your way 4 hours before lynch mean you couldn't have any meaningful contribution to the game? I am unsure about this random vote, its randomly on the guy who Oats has a case on and Rayn is yelling at. I want to feel bad for lynching you because I'd like to think you wouldn't play this way as town but I don't see it, this is all just so fucking scummy. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Not true in the slightest and I will fucking tear you apart when I have the time. taking advantage of someone who can't be around to defend/push properly is horrible. VA, you'd know about getting mislynched like that. Marv, you would too. Gonna make the same mistake you did in Basterd? This bit particularly. That he is defending his godawful play as good and threatens to tear me apart. I'm not terribly hurt (by his comments about me, his comments about how everyone is awful for not giving him more time hurt my sense of propriety) but his thing about how we're taking advantage of him but he'll get me seems really out of line for scum. Unless he thinks we caught him based on non-reasons. I've only seen scum rage like that when they didn't feel it was fair that the random lynch landed on them. I don't know, that seems more townie than scum. | ||
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marv, you liked what WoS said about being a dick something, what does that mean and why do you not like it enough to not lynch him? | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:55 Seuss wrote: Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game. Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test. I also forgot: ##Vote [UoN]Sentinel I get that you think some posts by sent were 'odd' but do you really think he is scum? If yes do you really think confirming vote powers matters? I'll bet you real money that no one is lying about there powers which effect the vote since they'd never be able to use their real powers later in the game. | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:36 marvellosity wrote: Reposting: Can anyone tell me why, when Wave apparently didn't have a clue who to lynch, this was not enough to vote on? no I cannot. | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:44 Seuss wrote: I don't think it's absolutely necessary to verify the voting powers, but at the time the vote train was solidly on Wave and I thought other possibilities were being overlooked. You specifically have been on my case for lacking independent thought, so when I had a unique idea that seemed to have merit I went for it. I just don't see the merit. Explain said merit to me. | ||
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What do you think about the suess/wos/panda triumvirate? | ||
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On October 30 2013 04:22 OOHCHILD wrote: I am not deserving of vig shot. you've said that a lot. Since you don't think you are a good vig who would be? | ||
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On October 30 2013 04:58 Koshi wrote: Which ones? If it is you being scum than we might need switch off to WoS. that there are no scum reads in his early game besides me. And later in the game he added Suess. | ||
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On October 30 2013 05:01 OOHCHILD wrote: Koshi I like how you are suddenly making a new long case to support whatever popular opinion is currently. Keep it up! It will help me get you lynched. wait, so do you believe that WoS is town being lynched by scum? If so what is your vote doing on him? | ||
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On October 30 2013 05:07 OOHCHILD wrote: WoS being scum and Koshi being scum are not mutually exclusive. You say the wrongest stuff, Promethelax. So who do you believe are scum besides Koshi and WoS? | ||
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How about HCC, he hasn't really done anything and came in with that weird Pandain case that made it so he didn't have to comment about anything going on in thread. Fuck it yeah. I'm pulling some shit. [b}##Unvote ##Vote: Hotcandy[/b] | ||
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Marv, why do you want me to find you scummy? You chose to lynch someone you were sure was town. Have you ever done that as any alignment before? And of all the people to d1 lynch you didn't even go for someone controversial. My mind is pretty blown. I just don't even. | ||
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On October 30 2013 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Prome is your power good? Like really good? Night time role fishing? Are you dumb? | ||
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On October 30 2013 18:40 marvellosity wrote: I don't understand why half these nukes have been launched the way they have. So random. There are some you understand? | ||
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On October 30 2013 20:21 marvellosity wrote: That's not a great argument, but at the same time it's not a terrible one either, lol It depends on how many power ups he needs really. If Koshi only needs four to power him its a terrible argument against his scumminess. | ||
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On October 29 2013 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah but you do not make enemies as scum if you don't have to. Especially in a way he did. It doesn't matter if he gets lynched for it today, as there are other scum alive. You know, people look back later on in the game and if he doesn't change his attitude soon it will haunt him later on (although lately TL towns tend to be forgetting the power of rereading). I agree what he said about marv especially is really bad and if i knew he was a smurf i would lynch him instantly. And yet Rayn hasn't mentioned anything about this since OOOH called himself a smurf. And Rayn has been here and had a nuke. This post took forever because I couldn't remember who said this. Me confuse. | ||
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Also when I've smurfed in the past my goal has always been to, well, smurf. OOOH's goal seems to be to piss people off under the guise of a name he doesn't have to represent. | ||
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On October 30 2013 23:22 OOHCHILD wrote: hi there. guess who i am. the truth of my towniness will shine through. I don't care. Unless you are kush. In which case I still don't care. But everything makes sense. | ||
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On October 30 2013 23:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Well kush acting like an asshole to me would make some sense. Not that I think he's telling the truth anyway. Prome what do you make of VA's play? I have him as tentative town atm but I'm curious if anyone shares my sentiment. I don't know. Not helpful I know. I find myself fluctuating on him a lot, like dude was being smart and on point early on but his presence fell of and he kinda seemed to coast through the thread during the giant piles of shit flinging that occurred in the middle of the day. He is in that somewhat large group of players who I'd be happy to see flip but wouldn't be my first target. Has kush's meta changed? Because if it hasn't he is 100% scum. Anyone remember that whole kush likes to be right as scum and defends townies for no fucking reason thing? Clarity should never have been defended and was being defended on stupid shit by kush. | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:36 OOHCHILD wrote: Popping in to say I hate the WoS lynch. It feels like the only reason why are lynching him is because he isn't here. I'm letting Pandain go. Im letting Marv go (don't see what is so town about him though) I would lynch Seuss, HotCottonCandy, or Sentinel. is probably a pretty accurate representation of actual town and scum. | ||
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On October 30 2013 23:36 Pandain wrote: Idk I gave pretty good point that was ignored Can you bring it out for me? Please and thanks. If you want me to look at/address your really good point I need to see it again. | ||
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On October 30 2013 00:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well OOH could be mafia, but that's for another day. I think he is from the latest Champs game because of his unwillingness of participating fully on D1 and his use of "clear" instead of "defend". These guys who play werevolf clear people instead of defending. I am not confident on him being scum, too few info. Also Pandain lynch is bad. If neither of me and Vayne thinks he is scum he probably hasn't done anything scummy. If you want a reference look at Thug life. When Noir ended me and Vayne instantly go "Pandain is 100% scum". If he is scum he is able to fake his towniness until some point but that will fall apart. Not a good lynch for today. Does it make more sense as a mafia ability or a total lie? | ||
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Oh! Paranoia. WoS, explain. | ||
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You make a good point about Sent's not knowing his power vs knowing he is unnukeable (would you believe my computer doesn't believe that is a word?). Gah, I'm so fucked on him, like he can sometimes be a d1 doesn't work moron but day one is over and he still hasn't started doing anything besides use his power and giggle about the gaggle of nukes he let out. Okay, I guess I'm not that fucked, I'd lynch him. | ||
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On October 31 2013 00:46 strongandbig wrote: maybe his power depends on who else uses a thread power when the countdown happens, didnt someone have an oprah power? WoS claimed Oprah, yes. | ||
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On October 31 2013 01:56 Seuss wrote: Yes. This is probably the perfect game for that sort of disruptive play. Just look at the players. Aside from marv and maybe Prom there's just a giant mess of people underperforming and making it easy for scum to do whatever they want. OOHCHILD is certainly making himself a target, but in a game where everyone's a target that can be pretty good cover. He's also apparently got his smurf/kush thing to fall back on and throw you all off, which has apparently been fairly successful so far. I don't think "meta" play is bad per se, but I'm going to call it like I see it. hey! I resent that! I'm under-preforming. | ||
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On October 31 2013 02:21 OOHCHILD wrote: It's kind of lame that everyone wants to lynch me for shit I can't control. And prome in my recent scum games I have not been bussing scum and defending townies. I really only ever did that in games with people who didn't know about it. I remember there was this game where someone who knew about it came in as a replacement and I got fucked. So why were you so sure clarity was town? You got all up in everyone's business about it but couldn't justify your reasons. Explain. | ||
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On October 31 2013 02:27 marvellosity wrote: Koshi, I reverse my previous decision on what we were talking about. cobrauntank cobrauntank! | ||
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On October 31 2013 02:41 Oatsmaster wrote: "In case they're telling porkies" You talk like a english grandmother Marv, are you SURE you are a 25+ old guy? marv wishes he was 25. | ||
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On October 31 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: tbh that's what Vayne does. But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god.. Actually every one of his reads are 'safe' and terrible. The only one I find mildly convincing is Sent and that is still a really safe read. I kinda wish marv had followed my shenanies instead of making his own. | ||
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On October 31 2013 03:32 HotCottonCandy wrote: well I apologize that you don't agree but that's the way I went about it. Instead of my theory tell me what exactly you disagree with because I don't think a pandain/rayn/oats scum team sounds that crazy do you? They are all contributing but at the same time aren't exactly without holes. And to your 2nd question, there is only 3 VTs in this game unless SnB is lying, which would make it only 2. Gonna use logistics here and deduce that a 3 man scum team with a goon here would be a heavily town favored setup. I doubt that pandain is scum based on the people who have spoken out about his past and a certain level of sincerity which feels pretty okay. Oats could be scum, his early game looked really good and that is what he does as scum. But I'm not terribly sure of him one way or the other. Rayn seems much likelier town to me than kush. He was in the thread being not retarded. So even if he is scum he wouldn't be the first for me to kill. I'm not saying that couldn't be the scum team. It wouldn't be totally out of left field but I wouldn't call it the most likely. | ||
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On October 31 2013 03:55 marvellosity wrote: In fairness I agree the 2nd time was better than your 1st time which was pretty lame. I'd like to add my voice to this. WoS before an hour before the deadline was a useless asshole. Rayn, you just bowed out of explaining why you weren't unhappy about the clarity lynch. Explain it. And explain why you wouldn't explain it. | ||
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On October 31 2013 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay this is really annoying.. i will now shut up. you said you'd shut up instead of explaining yourself | ||
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I don't really like that you have done dick all game besides play with your role and go after kush. Others seem to have tried to find scum. Do you have any reads besides OOH? | ||
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On October 31 2013 04:54 WaveofShadow wrote: lol isn't marv's signature about how kush disagrees with himself haha in all fairness that came from a smurf game where kush was arguing with his other head. | ||
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On October 31 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Was kush hydraing there? My best experience with hydras is when i asked geript if he thinks WoS is scum in Bluelightz game when they were hydraing. :D yes and I meant hydra game, not smurf game. He was with Vivax if memory serves. | ||
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Sent: probably 3p. I'd suggest not scum though. His nuke play was just so suicidal; I have a hard time seeing it from scum perspective. Pandain: Feels genuine. I think he is town but I'm not sure. WoS: is either town or really good at scum. Suess: worries me. His contributions have been...lackluster. I'll check back on him in a few days if we're both still alive. Rayn: is, I think town. Of my town reads the one I think most possibly could be scum just because he has become more passive in the second half of the game. According to insider information he is only passive as scum. Oats, is kinda like rayn. His play suggests town until the drop in quality during later parts of the day. I'd lean town but it isn't a hard lean. SnB: town. Like woah. His play doesn't match his scum play at all. Kush: probably scum. for sure an ass. The only smurf to defend himself on meta. Koshi: I just don't know. Has had some good posts and some bad posts. null. Slightly town, maybe. Vayne: still think he is scum. Dude has been coasting like a mo' fo' posted that awful PoE list which so didn't do it for me. marv: town yo (at lylo lynch him blah blah blah) My obvious problem is I don't have hard reads in either column. And at least one of my town leans has to be scum. Ah well, if I die feel free to look to this post for help. | ||
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On October 31 2013 05:54 Koshi wrote: If the nuke is real: I go for Oats, Pandain, Kush for scumteam. On October 31 2013 05:08 Koshi wrote: Also if people die that have nukes going to them I think Sentinel is scum. reconcile those for me | ||
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On October 31 2013 05:54 Pandain wrote: I don't think your scum but I'll challenge that assumption: How? Yeah I haven't made real long posts, but I've been posting. And they've actually been good contrary to what you guys believe, even early on my posts were good for the time being. I'm pretty confident in my town reads and pretty sure there's at least one scum in SnB-Seuss; I warned against Clarity(although admittedly wasn't completely sure, just wouldn't have lynched him) If you're looking for extreme confidence I won't have it; I'm not scum and I don't know the definitive answer. But what do you mean I don't have oomph these things = scum. Fuck me. I just said you were probably town. Who calls themselves town and talks themselves up this much when they haven't contributed significantly to the thread and don't appear all that townie? dicks. | ||
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On October 31 2013 05:57 marvellosity wrote: No, just because I miss things doesn't make me scum, and I look extraordinarily town. This is an awful post. Except when marv does it. When marv does it its usually an accurate thread reading. Side note: marv scum meta is to look really town. Fun fact of the day. (he is still town though) | ||
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On October 31 2013 06:04 marvellosity wrote: Lynching into Pandain/rayn/kush today. Don't know who yet. Would prefer panda/kush rayn says things which are not retarded | ||
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On October 31 2013 06:14 Koshi wrote: Ohyeah now I guess we really have to filterdive WoS and see what he said. only if you assume he knew what he was doing. Which I don't assume. He had zero time devoted to the game and spent a lot of his time trying to not be deaded. | ||
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On October 31 2013 06:15 marvellosity wrote: Here's a funny thought - I wonder if those of us who still have nukes, the nukes will work, because we had the patience not to use them Night 1? Kinda makes sense with the timeframes we were given... not a terrible thought, shall we do a strafing run? | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:19 LoneMeow wrote: ##Day 1 ##Vote ##Count raynpelikoneet (0): Promethelax (0): Pandain (1): [UoN]Sentinel (1): clarity_nl/green] (0): OOHCHILD (2): waveofshadow (7): raynpelikoneet, Koshi, marvellosity, Seuss (0): strongandbig (1): [green]waveofshadow Not voting (1): strongandbig Current, waveofshadow is set to be ##lynched! The ##lynch will happen in ## at ##21:00 GMT (+00:00). Please let us know if there are ##errors. Voting Thread | ||
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I also just realized how scummy me saying all this is since I was WoS's major scum read at least for a while. But whatever. I don't think wos was shot for beig right. He didn't have power i this town to lead to a correct lynch even if he was right about scum. | ||
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On October 31 2013 06:23 Promethelax wrote: As scum I have shot people for tonnes of reasons, good reads is one but so is being a universal town read. The death implicating someone I want to get lynched. Eliminating a power role. I also just realized how scummy me saying all this is since I was WoS's major scum read at least for a while. But whatever. I don't think wos was shot for beig right. He didn't have power i this town to lead to a correct lynch even if he was right about scum. Oh, another reason I meant to add to think about later: if someone who is a high priority shot target is scum (i.e. me/rayn/marv) making that pool smaller is bad scum play since there will be a time when that player is the only one left and no one in town can figure out why they aren't getting shot. | ||
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Instead can we talk about your scum reads and who you'd like to lynch. Based on reads and not set up. | ||
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Kush, I'm a full time student with a full time job. Suck it up and quit your whining. I think I'll be nuking today. Debating between popping it on Kush and on Onegu. Which one and why? Lets discuss it. | ||
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You know who I wanna lynch? Vayne. I wanna lynch Vayne. ##Vote Hotcottoncanday | ||
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On November 01 2013 01:14 HotCottonCandy wrote: what does this mean btw? Scumread so strong you want a guaranteed kill? It means nukes are like vig shots, they are to clear the chaff. You aren't chaff. | ||
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On November 01 2013 01:28 OOHCHILD wrote: yeah but i am way more active this game than i would be as scum. also why no pressure at all from anyone on promethelax...he is literally doing nothing. Well come pressure me bro. If you think I'm scum you can pressure me; if not you can put a dick in it. Those are your options. | ||
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On October 31 2013 23:33 strongandbig wrote: ##Twerk Let me know if I got that wrong Anyway I looked at sent again. I read his filter this game and his filter from noir where he was scum. No quotes cause on phone. Filter this game feels very different from noir filter. Noir he was way more "srsbsns I'm makin reads guise". However, I can't decide whether that indicates an alignment difference or if it's just cause this game is a crazy themed game where he got a troll role from the hosts. I'm still a little stuck on the stuff at the start of the game about not retweeting koshi, then doing Marv, then doing koshi anyway. It just all feels pretty over-done/under-explained, if that makes sense. Also I kind of have a problem with him not really talking about anyone but kush and himself (and wos I guess). Like, the stuff in his case is mostly true - kush's actions were pretty much objectively scummy and terrible. But it's pretty convenient if sent's scum. But on the other hand, I know that can also happen to a townie under pressure, and judging by his noir filter it's not like tunneling is a scum tell for him. In conclusion: Sentinel could very well be scum, and I would say he's higher on my scummy list than many others in this game, but I'm far from convinced. So what conclusion do you agree with here marv? | ||
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One thing I considered when I was at work at some point Koshi (I think) said that if Seuss was scum WoS would have been a good night kill. I looked at the flip: I'd like to take a special focus on koshi and see if he might have known why WoS was shot. The other thing the flip informs is that pandain = town. Since having two scum voting powers would be super OP. Updates to follow. P.s. fuck the town in that OMGus game. | ||
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On November 01 2013 15:04 Pandain wrote: Does no one actually see any of what I've said in my SnB analysis or have you guys just not read it. Maybe that type of analysis is too old-school I read your analysis I just had two problems with it1)it was bad and 2)I think SnB is town | ||
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On November 01 2013 18:47 OOHCHILD wrote: Marv, are you incapable of this LENGTH of filter as scum? Allow me to add my meta read of Marv: yes, he is incapable of that. | ||
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Where am I going with this? Well I've been wondering about the night kill on WoS, it only made sense with a scum in the big three players In This game (me, Marv and Rayn) I've been stuck on thinking it was Marv but looking at his play that seems totally impossible, I know it's not me. Well, what if it is Rayn? With koshi. Suddenly the weird reads on each other make sense, the WoS kill makes sense. Koshi's comment about the WoS kill makes sense. Rayn's use of his day powers makes sense, And the fact that I haven't been able to see a team that made sense...makes sense. After looking at the omgus game I was reminded of the problem I'd created for myself with the oats/Ve dichotomy; I couldn't see them both being scum even though they individually reeked of it. Now, In This game, I couldn't see either of koshi/Rayn as scum because I required both of them to be scum. I believe the last two scum are koshi and Rayn. On page 144, still catching up. | ||
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On November 01 2013 21:19 Koshi wrote: wtf you want me to do? The guy is scum, I am not scum. I will laugh hard because it seems my case will be up first. I made a case against Seuss that was fucking perfect. I am not saying a bad townie can't act like Seuss did but I DO NO BELIEVE he was that kind of bad. Seuss had no strong feelings this game at all. Should NEVER have thought I was scum and Oats town from page 37 to 59. Shit like that is not possible. When Seuss flips red, which I am quite confident in he will, like, my case is 100% legit. Even if I am scum, this is the best case I ever wrote ever. So instead of asking me to look at other players, why don't you explain to me that what Seuss did was towny, or how big the chance was that Seuss is town? Because after Seuss flips red I know some other guys that can flip red after. And my case on Seuss is not based on association. NOT A SINGLE POINT. Holy shit. I actually believe this is a scum slip, I never thought I'd believe in a scum slip. But yeah...a scum slip. | ||
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On November 01 2013 21:56 Oatsmaster wrote: lol I got 7 power ups. More than Marv. Thats funny. You know what bugs me? That Prome was scared of giving me power because he felt he couldnt read me well. Now that I think about it, its pretty bullshit. I can say this now: it had a LOT to do with the omgus game where I had you as town early and you were scum. I knew you were Scum there during the day one stuff here. | ||
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I actually think this reflects really well on Kush, if he was Scum he knew this flip was coming and had time to prepare a defence (I.e. that dude uses twitter in a bad way; I just do t use twitter. Names = null) and instead he just feels role fucked. | ||
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On November 02 2013 07:17 OOHCHILD wrote: so scum are corrupted tweeters. those are probably people who fucked up twitter. i dont really fall into that category since my guy doesn't use twitter at all. See, this defence. It's exactly what I'd have come up with as scum. Clearly exactly what Kush came up with. But Kush posts it an hour later, which is enough time to authentically come up with this. I'd say Kush = town. | ||
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On November 02 2013 21:04 marvellosity wrote: Promethelax, have you completely lost your marbles? I'm not saying that's isnt the case... I'd lynch Rayn first between them for sure. | ||
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On November 02 2013 21:16 marvellosity wrote: Like I said about Koshi, he managed 2.5 pages of filter per cycle in GoT as mafia, this game he is averaging 9 pages per cycle. If you're agreeing with me that I'm incapable of this size filter as mafia, then really the same has to apply to Koshi. That's almost a 4x increase in posting rate he's pulled off this game if he's mafia... You have a good point but if that is the case how does Rayn get away with a town read from koshi? Why does koshi have such a boner for scum knowledge slipping? Why are my pants on my head? Why are Ryan's panties on his head? Why are they so fabulous? | ||
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On November 02 2013 21:29 Koshi wrote: I am liking Promes filter less now. :> Prome you think both Oats/you can be town? Or better all 4 of us power gatherers? If we look at Seuss there are 4 people he interacted the most with. You who helped him enter the thread. You were mentioned as strong townread in his analysis on you/SnB/Oats. WoS who gave him townread after that and encouraged posting. WoS who Seuss counterclaimed but never pushed as lynch. Oats who Seuss had as weak scumread. But gave a power up because he was sure he was town. And then during N1 was flailing around until he was forced to reread and give weak scumread. Sentinel on who Seuss was pushing after WoS cc. If you arent scum Prome, you need to look at Oats. I said this before as well and Oats first reaction was to push you as scum. Thoughts? I just played a game with Scum oats. His attitude here is vastly different than his attitude there. He cares about what Marv and I think about him here. | ||
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On November 02 2013 21:30 Promethelax wrote: I just played a game with Scum oats. His attitude here is vastly different than his attitude there. He cares about what Marv and I think about him here. Part of the oats meta is he is a but like a puppy dog, or a younger brother, he really wants approval from people he likes. People like me and Marv. You can see that very present in this game and it makes me lean quite townie on him. | ||
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On November 02 2013 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: For end game credits. Prome and Oats are scum, marv is SK. For end game credits: Rayn is dumb. | ||
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I told Seuss in thread not to power me up. I love that you guys are reading me as town but do it because I'm town, not for some bill shit. | ||
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On November 02 2013 21:47 Koshi wrote: I don't know if this is because I have TL+ but I can see 100 pages at a time. So 2000 messages. I just ctrl+f after my power. I can do it for you if you can't do it that way. It is because of TL+ I've considered paying just for that ability. | ||
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On November 02 2013 22:13 marvellosity wrote: Is there the one hour resolution thing here? Yes | ||
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On November 03 2013 05:41 marvellosity wrote: I roleblocked Prome for reasons I will elaborate on if I live. Strongandbig needs to stop making IRL excuses and get involved tbf You are literally tithe worst | ||
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On November 03 2013 07:07 marvellosity wrote: I would have guessed all powerups are similar, dept Prome seems to need nothing lol I need 3, 5 and 7. I used my five power up night one and two. You blocked it night two rendering it useless. You figure it out. No this is not inconsistent with how many votes I got. I need 5 yolos today and expect to get them from the following: vayne, SnB, sent, oats and one of Rayn or Kush. Game not broken, scum needs to kill off the voters to eliminate the blues. Marv: why did you not want me to twerk you n1? | ||
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On November 03 2013 23:25 marvellosity wrote: I can't use powers on those who twerk me. And I think Oats and now kush twerked me. So I'll be using my role defensively (i.e. on you Koshi) So I have the same role as oats. My n1 parity check was on Seuss. I sent in a check on Rayn n2 but some fucker fucked it up. ##Twerk ##Update Koshi ##Yolo Promethelax, fools | ||
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On November 04 2013 04:42 Koshi wrote: Oats said 3/5/7 after Prome said it. He did claim Parity cop before Prome but I did not see a crumb. And he could have guessed it. Prome got 5 on Day 1 I think. Oats got 7 Day 1. Prome got 2 on Day 2 I think. Oats got 1 Day 2. But Oats claimed the 7 position busdriver which no one would ever think to claim because why would a parity cop have a fucking bus? If he is scum he was given my role as a fake claim. The odd thing is that Oats said he has 2,5,7 where my first power is at three while I used my powers last night after having received two power ups. On November 04 2013 06:13 Koshi wrote: Prome you want us to bring you to 7 or 3? My preference would be five so that scum don't know if I'm parity copping or using my 3 skill. Getting busdriver doesn't work at this stage in the game. On November 04 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: so does anyone have any actual reason why i am scum? 1) you've been on the wrong side of lynches 2) you 'accidentally' misused your power 3) you refused to acknowledge any points against you and whined about balance instead 4) you called me scummy and said I've done nothing 5) you don't actually seem to care about catching scum, your only interest has been to create a me/oats dichotomy while not making a case on either of us being scum 6) you haven't been reading the thread 7) I don't like your face | ||
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On November 04 2013 13:03 Oatsmaster wrote: eh yeah Im 3-5-7 and the EXACT same shit as prome. Hahahahaha I guess that means hes scum. if so does that mean that one of Koshi/marv has to be scum? These roles make little to no sense to me; I can't actually figure out a way for them to be balanced and yet I'm sure they are truthful as claimed since you/me and marv/koshi can confirm each others' roles existing as the other one has claimed them. You and I have terrible scum roles, like being X, parity cop are both terrible mafia roles. Busdriver would be alright though. If someone who charges up is scum I'd say it has to be one of the people with watcher/tracker, jk, rb, doc. Though the watcher/tracker doesn't matter at all when it comes to mafia this game since all the town blues auto out themselves. | ||
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On November 04 2013 18:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont know yet Prome. Ok so there are 2 pairs of people with exactly the same powers right? So it makes sense that either all are town or the pairs are different alignments. So currently, Koshi and Prome are scum if that is the case. There is a huge BUT here though. Would scum get the same powers as the town counterparts? I dont think so. Would scum get fakeclaims? Almost assuredly. So if the second scenario is the one that is true, then koshi and Prome fakeclaimed. I dont actually think its that far a stretch to think that Prome faked the anger at marv for RBing him. I wanna know why Prome chose Seuss actually. Prome please tell us. Because Suess was in the middle of the pack had done some wierd rolefishing early on that I didn't like but was playing okay as a newbie. I figured he wouldn't be NK'd or Lynched and would, therefore, be a good player to have a check on. On November 04 2013 20:55 Koshi wrote: Then how did Prome check rayn on N2? Prome said he did Seuss N1 (who didn't yolo him D1) Prome said he did rayn N2 (who did yolo him D1) DING! DING! DING! Because I'm a fucking moron. I remembered him putting it in wrong and didn't remember him changing it. Kinda feel better about being Rbd now as I'd have had no result either way. Fuck me I'm dumb. On November 04 2013 21:23 Koshi wrote: Also Prome said his first skill was disguiser. Which is a mafia role. Dnu why he says shit like that. No I didn't? That isn't my role at all. I've kept my first role secret so I can use it without Scum knowing what I've done. On November 04 2013 22:23 marvellosity wrote: I already decided. But Prome does have shit to answer. There isn't a good answer. I'm dumb is all. ##Twerk ##Update Koshi =========================================================== Oats, we need to talk about your three power. You mason someone? Confirm plz. | ||
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If town wants to lynch me for being an idiot that is 100% okay with me. Just lynch oats next. | ||
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That is Oats slipping that scum have a RB. Okay see, my three power is to create masons. Where oats claims to mason someone. Mine fits the idea of my role (I do a thing to two different people, busdrive, parity check, mason) but Oats masons someone. That seems to me to be a fake claim as I just don't see town having exactly the same powers with the same costs with one minor change. I find koshi/marv much more believable as they have different power sets. One of me/Oats almost certainly has to be scum we're too close and yet not the same. Or, as I like to think of it, we've entered the uncanny valley of similarity. | ||
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On November 05 2013 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote: So when I said I had the EXACT SAME ROLE AS YOU it didnt cause you to think? I did think. But there was no way for you to know what my three power was. Are you claiming you knew it from the beginning? I assumed that you were the same as me since we each claimed a part of the role after the first guy claimed it. I've been working under the assumption you were the exact same as me and continued to do so until I realized you were claiming something different. | ||
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On November 05 2013 00:45 marvellosity wrote: Because it's important. WHo claimed busdriver first? Oats did. But I claimed parity cop first. | ||
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On November 05 2013 00:47 Oatsmaster wrote: What? 2 different things here. Those say literally the exact same thing. | ||
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On November 05 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote: So he magically managed to guess your parity cop role? How did he manage that? And masoner while he claimed something else. | ||
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On November 05 2013 01:11 Koshi wrote: Not really. I want Oats to Mason me tonight. ##Refudiate Oatsmaster Please ask the host if you need to visit me for Mason. are you retarded. Now he can't mason you. | ||
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On November 05 2013 01:24 marvellosity wrote: Prome why didn't you want me to yolo day 1 if you were gonna cop? (and you didn't use me as a parity check) I hadn't decided what I was doing, I thought for a while I'd mason you and someone else together. When I realized I had enough for a cop check and that I didn't think I'd be dying n1 or n2 I went with that instead. You were never going to be my n1 cop check even if I did use cop since I thought you'd be an early night kill. I figured if you were still alive n2 and I was worried about you I'd cop you. On top of that I wanted scum to be worried about what powers I might use on you if I was doc/watcher and possibly save you from the nk. | ||
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Koshi: if I'm lying about what I do why am I telling the truth about how many votes I need for stuff? And where did my n1 vig shot go that you are so sure I have? | ||
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On November 05 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote: No, why is me yoloing you different from Marv yoloing you? Lol what. about a million reasons. But mostly because you are protecting yourself from my powers and not someone like Marv. Because what you are doing is selfish and anti-town. Also known as scum. | ||
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On November 05 2013 01:42 Oatsmaster wrote: lol as if marv can control what you do. He can't. Which is why I said he'd have to trust me. That is how it works. | ||
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marv: not sure about the no comments thing. If he is town than yeah, the no comments pretty much mean I'm done playing with him. If scum: woo! | ||
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On November 05 2013 08:42 HotCottonCandy wrote: mayonnaise fries I have heard of. Popular in europe apparently. I just like plain fries really, with some salt and vinegar perhaps. Mayo and sriracha = best fries. I may have to wade through rayn's filter now. Damn. | ||
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On November 05 2013 19:34 Koshi wrote: Why else was Pandain killed? I am pretty sure they figured out the CobraTank. Since I figured it out I assume that scum did as well. On November 05 2013 20:21 marvellosity wrote: This isn't a terrible argument, and Koshi's point about you trying to lynch me isn't actually that great. I mean it could happen if you were mafia. But you've done it as town before just like this. I still think the best reason for kush being town is his reaction to the Suess flip, I brought this up earlier but the way his role name is worded didn't fit with Suess' and he wasn't ready to argue that when Suess flipped. He, as scum, should have known Suess' role name before the flip. Marv: is there anyone you want me to mason you to? I can still change my night actions. | ||
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On November 06 2013 05:51 marvellosity wrote: yes, because Koshi isn't protecting me tonight. are you not reading? I'm suggesting that scum didn't know you were being protected n1 and yet they did not shoot you, or I guess they might have had two shots n1... hmmm. | ||
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On November 06 2013 05:54 marvellosity wrote: Question: If Oats is mafia and rayn is going down in flames, how on earth does rayn manage to protect him? With his foolish death throes. As you say. I'm happy to follow you on this one as I clearly haven't had enough time to play this game well while you have. I'll lynch Oats but I wanted to express my doubts, the reasons for them, and discuss those doubts with you. They may not be the most valid doubts and I feel better for having you say that. Basically what I'm saying is let me sheep you. baa'a | ||
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On November 06 2013 05:59 The_Templar wrote: WRONG THREAD SORRY lol, reaper hellions man. You never know where they might show up. | ||
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I doubt that game will be over with a third scum lynch though. Do you have any good ideas about 3p/4th scum? | ||
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So if game is not over after Oats flips scum you think we're looking for a fourth scum? | ||
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On November 06 2013 06:12 marvellosity wrote: I don't know. you're on your own then :p So I'll have to actually try? I thought you could do all the work for me mr million page filter. | ||
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##Twerk Nice bug plays koshi, they meshed well with mine. | ||
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On November 06 2013 08:00 marvellosity wrote: Prome, why did you choose to mason someone with me when it was probable I was going to die?? Because I was distinctly uninterested in masoning sentinel/Kush/SnB with each other. I took the gamble on you living and gave you the mason partner who I figured would be the one you could read most easily and, if town, most helpful to town. | ||
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On November 06 2013 08:23 Koshi wrote: Prome, did you ask to the host that SnB would get the Mason message even if marv died? Nope, yolo. | ||
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On November 07 2013 00:38 marvellosity wrote: So we flip Sent and he's telling the truth, then what? If sent is telling the truth I'd have to guess that the last scum (no way is the set up 8-4-1) is one of the VT claims/kush. Unless oats is totally fake claiming his role which, as I've said before seems unlikely. | ||
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Shall we assume he is yelling the truth? If so I'm torn between oats having fake claimed my role, Kush having extra powers and one of the VTs having a power. My issues with each of those: I think Kush is town Oats clearly planned to verify his masoning (though he was late to complain) Having claimed vt neither of vayne and SnB could ever use their powers in thread. | ||
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On November 01 2013 14:54 OOHCHILD wrote: the flavor is not people who hate twitter as scum vs people who love it as town. themed games like this are rarely like that IMO because it makes it too easy to solve by role names. I've been sitting on this quote all game to bring it out in endgame and be proud of Kush for learning from acme. Clearly he hasn't learned though. Kush, why the flip on what role names mean in a themed game? | ||
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On November 07 2013 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote: I didnt get RBed lol koshi ##Update Koshi You know there are no notifications this game, right? | ||
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! So sent are you lying or is there laying scum? Find me the Scum and we don't lynch you. | ||
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On November 08 2013 00:40 Koshi wrote: Thats dumb. If we lynch Sent and he is not scum we learn that sent was telling the truth. While that is true I think we have a better. Chance of winning out right if we lynch goatmaster. | ||
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On November 08 2013 01:25 marvellosity wrote: If you don't lynch who we tell you to and the dude flips town, we'll lynch you next? That would be poor play on your part. I just don't see where all the reasons you said Kush was town went, you had a big ole list of them and I rather thought you believed in your reads. | ||
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On November 08 2013 23:50 Oatsmaster wrote: SnB/VA basically. Sent is like 3p confirmed but we can lynch him so he doesnt win. Didn't oats have me as confirmed scum? What happened? | ||
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Sent's claim suggests that one of either sentinel himself or a non-claimed-blue is scum. These two things together point towards lynching SnB and sent. Probably in that order since I don't terribly like fucking up survivor win cons for no reason. If SnB flips town and sent flips 3p as he has claimed I believe that VA would be the last remaining mafia member byPoE. Since that is the case I'd rather appreciate a scum concede since this game is mathematically solved. Does anyone disagree? | ||
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Should I update koshi too? Who should repudiate the goatmaster? | ||
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##Update Koshi ##Vote snb | ||
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On November 10 2013 07:04 HotCottonCandy wrote: Between how dead the game is and the scenario prom outlined as well as marv asking for everyone to twerk him except me I decided to concede. gg wp to town Yeah, what up? Woo woo, go me. | ||
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