EPTTaking the lynch away from town by secretly using your vote and then not even assuming responsibility is just beyond comprehension though. I also have no idea why you didn't counterclaim Holyflare as town having two secret voters is extremely unlikely.
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
Taking the lynch away from town by secretly using your vote and then not even assuming responsibility is just beyond comprehension though. I also have no idea why you didn't counterclaim Holyflare as town having two secret voters is extremely unlikely. | ||
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syllogism
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On November 03 2013 07:00 Holyflare wrote: It was categorically mentioned that there were people that didn't pick up play till day 2 onwards, you, palmar etc. In the thread. It is you that has not read and it is exactly that above everyone else attitude which gets on my nerves. There is experience and then there is arrogance. Case on sn0 contained meta to back up a point already made about him. Palmar wasn't being questioned or pushed in any way. Stutters posts were not ordinary for someone who hasn't seen more than 1 game of palmars. Of course 24 hours in a case will be very weak though there isn't much content to go on. However, to blindly say a townie wouldn't do that is silly. Seeing as 2 out of 3 people got lynched for the exact reasons in that case then other people also saw sense in them. These people were all under the radar picks that nobody was focusing on (bar sn0),that is why it looks scummy out of context, something you seemingly have a habit to do. I am not arrogant at all. If it seems like I am, it is because on this issue I feel that your perspective on mafia significantly differs from mine. We aren't going to agree, to continuing does not seem worthwhile. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
From my perspective, you spent the whole game trying to fish information out of the hosts and it was really annoying. Then you ask a really obvious question (I'm being blunt because I'm obviously a liar in your case) and I gave you my honest answer. Your question was: Is someone who has no powers a VT or is a VT someone who has no powers? The polyjuice potion said that it takes someone's powers away. You should use that information and not pester the hosts about what it means. If you really do not know what a VT is, you shouldn't be playing this game. Don't expect the hosts to hold your hand through this game and don't call us liars when we refuse to do so. | ||
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Corazon
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syllogism
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On November 03 2013 07:52 cDgCorazon wrote: @Syllo: From my perspective, you spent the whole game trying to fish information out of the hosts and it was really annoying. Then you ask a really obvious question (I'm being blunt because I'm obviously a liar in your case) and I gave you my honest answer. Your question was: Is someone who has no powers a VT or is a VT someone who has no powers? The polyjuice potion said that it takes someone's powers away. You should use that information and not pester the hosts about what it means. If you really do not know what a VT is, you shouldn't be playing this game. Don't expect the hosts to hold your hand through this game and don't call us liars when we refuse to do so. The issue was that there was already some indication that this host has a different definition of what a VT is. That is to say, Toad flipped a VT who was also lovers with ET. This is typically a blue role. You are still not even understanding what the question essentially was. All what was asked is whether the information given to us was accurate. Instead of answering yes or no, the hosts kept dodging. As for the other questions, those are very routine and most hosts are happy to answer them. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On November 03 2013 07:55 syllogism wrote: The issue was that there was already some indication that this host has a different definition of what a VT is. That is to say, Toad flipped a VT who was also lovers with ET. You are still not even understanding what the question essentially was. All what was asked is whether the information given to us was accurate. Instead of answering yes or no, the hosts kept dodging. We didn't dodge shit. We said what the polyjuice potion did. It's a roleblock. Did you not understand that? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 03 2013 07:56 cDgCorazon wrote: We didn't dodge shit. We said what the polyjuice potion did. It's a roleblock. Did you not understand that? You aren't even reading what you are replying to. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On November 03 2013 07:57 syllogism wrote: You aren't even reading what you are replying to. I have no clue what you mean. Being a lover with someone isn't much of a power. I don't know what games you are looking at. Perhaps if you had not fished for information the entire game I would not be this mad with you, but I'm irritated because of it. | ||
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Grackaroni
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syllogism
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On November 03 2013 08:05 cDgCorazon wrote: I have no clue what you mean. Being a lover with someone isn't much of a power. I don't know what games you are looking at. Perhaps if you had not fished for information the entire game I would not be this mad with you, but I'm irritated because of it. I've no problems with Toad flipping green. All I am saying is that due to him flipping green, I wasn't as confident as I would have otherwise been on the fact that a VT role could not have powers. The only time I was "fishing" for information was when I asked about the town win condition and only because the phrasing was leading. I had to ask about the win condition because my role PM did not provide that information. Asking whether RB blocks factional KP or not is not fishing for information. I was a roleblocker and often that information is even available to everyone in the game, even in closed setups. It is up to the host to decide what information he chooses to keep private. It is up to the player to ask these questions. The game mechanics are part of the game and the setup being closed does not usually mean that everything that isn't listed in the OP is kept secret. Sometimes the hosts haven't even considered whether the information should be secret or not. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 03 2013 08:07 Grackaroni wrote: Syllo asking the hosts if it's possible for VT's/squibs to have additional powers is not a reasonable question and they don't have to answer it. It is completely reasonable question, but it is true that they do not have to answer it. However this isn't how I even framed the question. I argued that the information that they had already provided to us (polyjuice description) defined VTs and I asked whether that information was correct. Even if the information hadn't been given to us, it is a reasonable question because some mechanics of mafia are fundamental and deviating from those has to be done for a good reason. Vanilla townie means a role with no powers. e: the question and the refusal to answer can both be reasonable | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Did CR make a mistake joining this game or is the blame on the hosts? And why did I get modkilled for stating the truth? I said he played shitty and bad. You disagree? You also need to know we didnt know the guy was town and the entire thread thought he was scum, thus making posts like "you guys are really cool kids and awesome at this game" is not perceived as being friendly but as mindgames. If that would have been the last post I would have had no problem. But after that he again asked a stupid question that he couldnhave known by reading the thread a little. I have nothing against CR. I like the guy and that was the first thing I said when he replaced. But if you dont know after 100 hours in the game that syllo is IC and that your biggest post in the thread is about how you as town should get lynched I get annoyed. I didnt say shit till he tried to play on otions as scum or if he was town shhould have kept that message for endgame. tldr: my ban was completely unjustified and you should look at yourself for thinking somebody can play this game with 1 hour a day. | ||
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syllogism
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Corazon
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On November 03 2013 08:18 Koshi wrote: Because you as host create annoyance by replacing afkers with semi afkers. That part was not ideal but all of our replacements were on busy schedules and we were grateful that they even replaced to begin with. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On November 03 2013 08:15 syllogism wrote: It is completely reasonable question, but it is true that they do not have to answer it. However this isn't how I even framed the question. I argued that the information that they had already provided to us (polyjuice description) defined VTs and I asked whether that information was correct. Even if the information hadn't been given to us, it is a reasonable question because some mechanics of mafia are fundamental and deviating from those has to be done for a good reason. Vanilla townie means a role with no powers. You are basically asking the hosts whether HF is a liar while stating that you are going to base your decision to lynch HF on whatever the mods say. It's a closed setup. The hosts don't have to say whether squib can only apply to Vanilla Townies. It was a little careless that they used the word squibbing for taking away powers but that's more HF's fault for talking about squibs to give scum town-cred while not realizing that he has to be a VT to know about squibs. On October 30 2013 02:00 syllogism wrote: All they have to do is state that state that the information provided is incorrect and a squib does not equal vanilla townie. If a host makes an error, the fair play is to correct said error even if that has implications on the alignment of a player. It is by far worse not to. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 03 2013 08:28 Grackaroni wrote: You are basically asking the hosts whether HF is a liar while stating that you are going to base your decision to lynch HF on whatever the mods say. It's a closed setup. The hosts don't have to say whether squib can only apply to Vanilla Townies. It was a little careless that they used the word squibbing for taking away powers but that's more HF's fault for talking about squibs to give scum town-cred while not realizing that he has to be a VT to know about squibs. Yes my motive for asking that question is to find out whether HF is a liar. As I noted earlier, what is going on in the game is irrelevant as to whether the host should answer the question. In one game I believe Mattchew claimed self-aware miller and when town asked the hosts whether millers are self-aware, the host (Palmar) publicly announced that they are not. Different hosts have different policies as to what information they reveal in a closed setup. It is up to mafia not to put themselves in positions in which they can be caught for lying. This applies to all mafia claims and it is not at all uncommon for hosts to answer this kind of questions. Furthermore, I've no idea why you say that it was "careless" to give us the information. There is no reason to believe that it was careless, but rather a conscious decision and likely indicative of them not considering the nature of VT information that needs to be kept away from players. Usually both town and mafia needs to know what the VT role is because both may need it. For example, blue roles may in some situations claim VT or because not knowing the VT role may lead to them leaking information about the fact that they have a role. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
There was a role (lover) who was a VT with power. Lover IS considered as a role. I think the question was totally legit. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On November 03 2013 08:28 cDgCorazon wrote: That part was not ideal but all of our replacements were on busy schedules and we were grateful that they even replaced to begin with. Yes I am grateful to all players and especially hosts for these games of TL mafia. But I also know that I am playing this game with adults. It is not your job to tell me if I am being overly rude. It is the players that can say that. If CR would have replied to me that I went overboard I would have apologized in the thread and told him exactly why I was rude. But a modkill like that just because I am in a hydra is disrespecting towards me. I put enough time in this game to be threaten with a bit more respect than that. This is a game of emotions, and if you decide after the game started that everybode needs to be perfectly friendly with each other than you need to remove all emotion from this game. So scum trying to play on town emotions should be removed as well. Dont know how you will do that. I truly wonder why Mocsta is allowed to call CR a dipshit 2 posts above mine. Shit like that. Or proof to me that I completely went over the line. Which I didnt. Anyway. You are the second host I never play a game with. Which is completely my loss because these games are awesome. | ||
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