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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 03 2013 06:18 Holyflare wrote: Those posts? You linked 1 post linking to lonemeow that i would absolutely post as town in every game. People said palmar was town. Lonemeow comes back in with 0 posts and votes him with no reasoning. I am going to post it out and also question the other people on palmar. I also made a case on him to confirm after the night but he got vigd. Day 1 you are also not likely to hit mafia abd so killing lurkers as policy like i said is the most optimal as they were the ones posting enough to keep themselves in but not contributing. You also made no case if you just linked to an old one that you clearly had a good enough reason to drop after my answers. So your only case was a mod pm. This is the post I was particularly referring to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20005446 If you think that post comes from the mindset of a townie and that the person making it is being genuine and attempting to provide town direction, I don't think this conversation is worth having. We could have a third party look at the post and my comments regarding it. I can assure you that people who are generally considered good town players would all agree. e: again, it's laughable to suggest that me dropping the case for a while is meaningful. That's just a mistake on my part rather than evidence of the case being wrong. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
It may have been the catalyst to have people vote and notice you, but not the sole reason. They could have easily said "Huh? This guy is super townie, surely this is a mod mistake, I'll just look somewhere else for scum", but instead they noticed your play again and said "yeah I can lynch this guy" and did so. Maybe they didn't put all of that shit into a "good" case "worthy" of pushing a lynch, but just because it wasn't there doesn't mean it didn't exist. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5202 Posts
On November 03 2013 06:14 Grackaroni wrote: That doesn't really matter though if you can't get or push correct reads. Wasn't Onegu scum in another endgame like this where he just hid in the background and got no attention? Well, you said you sucked in every way imaginable, which I don't think is true because looking townie and talking a lot is better than not looking townie and lurking. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 03 2013 06:29 Holyflare wrote: No, i fully admit my play wasn't towny but the posts that were mentioned have no alignment indicative nature in them. No, that is the likely the single most alignment indicative post in the whole game. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
I still can't believe that you were scum acting excited that another scum town slipped by saying squib. Also that you claimed a secre vote after that doing that. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 03 2013 06:31 Grackaroni wrote: Syllo had some good points against him when the 1 scum Hufflepuff check came out I still can't believe that you were scum acting excited that another scum town slipped by saying squib. Also that you claimed a secre vote after that doing that. Posting "nice town/mafia slip" in the thread as town makes no sense unless you are a blue pretending to be a squib. It also doesn't make sense as mafia except as fake content. A townie known for arbitrary play could make it, but still it should have been considered quite suspicious. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On November 03 2013 06:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: can we have obs QT? http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/TGwenUpQj4tb | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Sn0 at the time posted very questionable things. You said it was just rehashing the thread but only 1 of them was and that was sn0,the other 2, well palmar at least was directly against thread sentiment at the time. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On November 03 2013 06:31 Grackaroni wrote: Syllo had some good points against him when the 1 scum Hufflepuff check came out I still can't believe that you were scum acting excited that another scum town slipped by saying squib. Also that you claimed a secre vote after that doing that. I haven't played enough mafia to know when a role is considered blue or not so I thought if I could say it was a 1 shot vote then I would fit in. Especially as scum had a role cop, if i was checked by a town role cop it would show my vote. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
It's easy to point out posts that look scummy after the game is over as you know i am scum, this would be the case from every filter in this game. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 03 2013 06:36 Holyflare wrote: Well you are ridiculous. That part on stutters was fine. The others were policy. That is in no way alignment indicative and to say that is ridiculous. In what way would a scum mindset make that post? There isn't any reason to. It wasn't under the guise of scum hunting. It was 24 hours in and did point out stutters posts who were scummy. Nobody in the thread at the time said they wanted a palmar lynch. Guess what happened? He got lynched. Sn0 at the time posted very questionable things. You said it was just rehashing the thread but only 1 of them was and that was sn0,the other 2, well palmar at least was directly against thread sentiment at the time. The post was largely fake content and indicated that you are weren't reading the thread. No one was defending Palmar by suggesting that he always starts slowly. Palmar does not sit on reads until day 3. That was a pure fabrication and it is difficult to believe that the statement was based on something you had read somewhere. Indeed, Palmar usually has strong day 1. You stated that town was lacking direction, but the game had been only going for 24 hours and you offered it no new direction and the direction that was offered was very weak. Yet you claimed this direction was "correct" even though you later went on to say that you hadn't noticed anything blatantly scummy. The person making the post was not thinking like a townie and was not being genuine. You seem to disagree, but based on my experience I am not willing to take your word for it. I don't think we are going to see eye to eye on this, and possibly not on anything else as it appears that your in-game tone and arguments were not byproducts of your alignment, but rather of your genuine perspective. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
As for my weird play, I hope everyone forgets how terrible I was day 1. From there forward it was just my usual trickyness, I was hoping to cause mafia some headache since I didn't consider my role very powerful (and it did work to some extent, reading the scum QT), but unfortunately the townies were too suspicious of me so it ended up backfiring on me. Better luck next time perhaps? But yeah, never try to meta me. Just.. don't. Because I can do the weirdest stuff as either alignment. =p Good job town in closing the win, I was worried a little while this might still end up being screwed up but it ended well. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Case on sn0 contained meta to back up a point already made about him. Palmar wasn't being questioned or pushed in any way. Stutters posts were not ordinary for someone who hasn't seen more than 1 game of palmars. Of course 24 hours in a case will be very weak though there isn't much content to go on. However, to blindly say a townie wouldn't do that is silly. Seeing as 2 out of 3 people got lynched for the exact reasons in that case then other people also saw sense in them. These people were all under the radar picks that nobody was focusing on (bar sn0),that is why it looks scummy out of context, something you seemingly have a habit to do. | ||
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