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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 11 2013 09:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Wait why would he have to KNOW Palmar is scum? Why could he not have just READ Palmar as scum? If they're on opposing teams, why is that hard to believe? Well that's what I mean. It means the scumteam figured out he's scum or they read him as scum or whatever. | ||
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austinmcc
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 11 2013 09:59 VayneAuthority wrote: in regards to the whole payphone thing this is where im at: s0lstice = scum read on Mr.CC CR = useless(sorry) austin = adamant about pandain not being scum even when it was blatantly obvious, couldn't wait for noire to be over to say it. so this together makes sense on paper in them thinking that cheesecake is the last scum and contacting him. So you think Austin avoided calling Pandain scum on purpose to keep him alive even though he's been uncannily right about a lot of his reads this game? (read: because he's scum) Oh wait I see what you're saying here. Huh. That does make sense but you're only taking into account the actions from the perspective that ballers wanted to contact bangers, and I am in no way certain that that's what happened. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 11 2013 10:01 austinmcc wrote: (As an aside, yes, thought FT was towns mctowns, very strongly before he just effed off, and still mildly after that. Also had SP and oats as town. ymmv on whether you believe my reads are legit or just scum knowing they're town/other team, but I HAVE fought against the FT lynch, the SP lynch, and the oats read. If you think I was shittily putting pressure on solstice early, I was at least doing that instead of going along with a mislynch, which I could have easily done) lol it's a shame you're such a huge suspect if you're town because you have been spot on all game. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On October 11 2013 10:02 WaveofShadow wrote: So you think Austin avoided calling Pandain scum on purpose to keep him alive even though he's been uncannily right about a lot of his reads this game? (read: because he's scum) Oh wait I see what you're saying here. Huh. That does make sense but you're only taking into account the actions from the perspective that ballers wanted to contact bangers, and I am in no way certain that that's what happened. im done with talking about all the options. Im talking about my conclusions now. this is what I think happened. I don't think its as complicated as we are making it out to be. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
The same way my reads on you and cc as scum (before pandain flipping) were based PRIMARILY, or at least you caught my eye primarily, because of single posts that I thought could ONLY come from the mafia point of view. FT, SP, and oats each made these little comments or had a specific point or discussion that scum don't do. There are posts on both FT and SP, you can see my thought process. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 11 2013 10:04 VayneAuthority wrote: The thing is, those reads dont buy you any cred since all 3 of them were playing scummy as hell. FT was doing his martyr thing and kept saying he would start playing but never did. I don't see having a townread on him is a good thing even if you were right. Shaiopi didn't give a shit about the game either really and was subsequently lynched. Oats was playing almost directly to his scum meta. I don't understand why you had townreads on any of them. Yeah pretty much this. CC where the shit are you? Can we lynch him for just fucking off and hoping we lynch Austin (despite having me as his primary scumread)? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 11 2013 10:06 austinmcc wrote: Well, it's in my posts. I give specific posts they made that I found townie, and did not believe came from a scum point of view. I don't care about meta in any of those cases, the reads are based on very specific posts the made. The same way my reads on you and cc as scum (before pandain flipping) were based PRIMARILY, or at least you caught my eye primarily, because of single posts that I thought could ONLY come from the mafia point of view. FT, SP, and oats each made these little comments or had a specific point or discussion that scum don't do. There are posts on both FT and SP, you can see my thought process. See and all of my 'single-post-type' reads this game were wrong as hell. Should totally lynch CC just for this reason because I thought he was town most of the game. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On October 11 2013 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm totally down with lynching Cheese first if he's got nothing to say. Austin is at least trying, which counts for something around here. Regardless of what Vayne says. it does count for something. unless you are pandain and heavy effort/tunneling like that = scum, as well as his stupid go through your filter and comment on it thing | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
So it's a combination, it's not just the reads, it's that those reads got in the way of mafia objectives. I pushed for mafia lynches over townie lynches. Which is GREAT if we want me to get some cred, look nice, and survive til lategame. But if the goal is "i kind of push mafia, call townies town, survive til lategame," then ... I don't know why I suggest alternate plans on D4. And I don't know why my team chooses ME to push against mislynches and survive til lategame, because I would expect me to get shot if my reads are good. Why not give CR the correct reads, let HIM get the cred but never push anything hard? He can survive til lategame and NOT look odd. Like...if this is a big fat plan for me to push scumbuddies and not push town, ... it doesn't make sense for ME to be the person whose shoulders we put that on. We put it on someone who people don't know well, who doesn't seem threatening, just seems to have decent reads but never really pushed em, so wasn't a threat to scum. ALL OF THIS SUCKS BUT I CAN'T STOP. I'll try and go poke filters instead. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 11 2013 10:12 VayneAuthority wrote: As a returning of the honesty, in MOST of my scumgames I've been pretty lurky/unnoticed early, and gotten more active/more controlling over the game later.it does count for something. unless you are pandain and heavy effort/tunneling like that = scum, as well as his stupid go through your filter and comment on it thing Persona is an outlier there, but in general I tend to start putting in more effort mid/late as scum. It just also happens to be my towngame, just like the later days and trying to actually solve the game better than the early poking and prodding. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 11 2013 10:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Gonzaw. I wasn't in that one.austin was it you or gonzaw who dominated Liar Game toward end-game? I was scum in Aperture 2 with hiro/iamperfection, win. Replaced into CT Mafia as scum, got lynched and we lost. Scum in Persona 2 or something, our team dominated, win. Scum in PTP 4 Demon's Run, our team got blown apart but managed to win because of KP everywhere and me going HAM on anti-town kita. Scum in Aperture 3, team won. Those are my only scumgames, with CT being my only replacement game. I think the only game where I've really dominated at endgame is PTP4, and that's due to it being PTP, not my scum skill. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 11 2013 10:22 VayneAuthority wrote: No, I agree. I DON'T think CR's claim was fake, and I think it was actually him trying to do something weird in order to look like his town self. I still stand by that, although rayn super disagrees.austin if you recall though CR's claim wasn't a team thing, he did it on his own. He revealed later that his last teammate was really mad at his play. I think it's genuine and I am ignoring the CR part as part of some elaborate play or w/e And if I were his teammate, I would have been really mad at him  And solstice for claiming cop instead of 1v1ing cheesecake. I guess what I'm saying is, if I am mafia, we set ME up for endgame by bussing, despite me being the person who would look out of place. If solstice/cr/austinmcc sets someone up by having them bus so they can make it to endgame, we do that with CR. I know his claim would have ruined that, if that's what you're getting at, and agree that it's not part of a plan. But like...if I'm mafia and the plan is "someone bus the other two, hard bus one and kinda waver on the other, and call townies townies," then I would honestly assign that duty probably to CR. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Fake wrong word. I don't think it was planned as a way to keep other scum team alive. I think it was actually CR trying to look like town CR. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 11 2013 10:27 VisceraEyes wrote: ONLY IF I'M MAFIA. And you said you were fucked if I were mafia, so ... you better find me townie or you'll be fucked? Cuz if you said you'd be fucked if I'm mafia and then I'm mafia and you're not fucked, you lied, and should be lynched for lying? AUSTIN BUT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE THE ONE SAYING ALL THIS MAKES IT MEANINGLESS I dunno. When you get mislynched, don't you KNOW your play that game? Don't you feel like there are all these things that people aren't taking into account, or particular quirks in your play that you know but other people don't seem to see? Like...PARANOID AND CAN'T MAKE UP HIS MIND ABOUT THE COP AUSTIN. And like all this other crap. Just because it comes from me doesn't mean it doesn't make SENSE. I'll admit the crap that I've done that's scummy (that solstice --> no comment --> palmar vote), because I know it looks scummy. But I'm going to fight you on crap I DON'T think is scummy. Whether you trust me or not, I'ma post me some posts. | ||
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