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On October 11 2013 09:24 VisceraEyes wrote:I think the most damning part of the conversation between me and austin was how he approached answering me. Like, I was filtering s0Lstice and pointing out the things I saw, and austin interjected to throw in more speculation about the whole payphone thing. Which, fine, that's austin's way...but look at this post: Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 09:12 austinmcc wrote:On October 10 2013 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What are you talking about austin? If they're different teams, then solstice convinces his team that Cheese is the other team. So we need a solstice/cr/x team where x can be convinced that cheese is mafia. Like, unless it's mega mega next level, it makes VA look decent because VA has been calling pandain the last MCB. So if the whole thing is REAL, then solstice would have to convince his scumteam, including VA, that cheese and not pandain was the last MCB. Cuz it appears that VA would be pushing to contact pandain. I think CR or WoS is the last MCB, but if I were scum I'd be on CR's team. So I'd be pushing for WoS and solstice would be pushing cheese, if I were mafia. In this scenario, cheese is town and it's not fake, so he's out. Which leaves WoS. Which I don't really like. So either solstice is already setting things in motion N3 OR VA is calling Pandain last MCB but solstice convinces him otherwise (or VA faking the read) OR Wos is mafia OR (for you guys) I am calling WoS mafia but solstice convinces me otherwise (or me faking the read) Can you tell who he thinks is scum in this post? Can you? Because I couldn't, and when I said as much he kept NOT telling me who he thought was scum. Like, I just find it hard to believe that a townAustin wouldn't have some SERIOUS suspicious at this point, and be trying to convince us of SOMETHING right? But he's not - he's just speculating and tossing around options and letting us decide what we think - thoroughly invested if we decide that we think he's scum, but otherwise pretty stoic with regard to who HE thinks is scum. I mean, being indecisive isn't a crime. You're right, that's not scummy. It's the WAY he's being indecisive that I don't like.
I do agree with this. It's just that I could see it coming from a town place as well, being often quite spammy/indecisive myself.....
Ugh but thinking about it you're right...when I am spammy and indecisive I'm more...I dunno....stream-of-consciousness? And I get a lot of shit wrong and say a lot of scummy looking things in the process.
You have good points regarding AUstin I just somehow feel less convinced. Probably due to Austin's solid as fuck play in this game.
Austin, put less effort into your scumgames please, so I can just call you town based on effort in this game alone.
Kthx.
VE let's talk some more about Austin.
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Well, with s0L's attack on Cheese it's possible that they thought that maybe Cheese was the last Banger. Pandain was a complete shock to me. Vayne, not so much...but I was shocked personally.
Reaching out to the last Banger falls directly in line with the theme of "beeeg plays" that we're seeing here in this game. Like, if they got hold of the last Banger they're not in any danger really - sure he'll know who they are, but they'll in turn know who he is and it's 3v1. They're not putting themselves at much risk if he WAS the Banger...it just turned out that he wasn't.
Between
Scum reaching out to Cheese thinking he's the last Banger in an attempt to either coordinate/seek and destroy
vs
Scum concocting a plan to get Cheese super cred by outting a member of their own team in a game where that wouldn't mean much (at the time) because there are two scum teams
I think the first option is more likely.
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Likelihood is a big problem in this game because no matter which way you look at it, SOMEBODY did something fucking WEIRD.
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Well what do you think about his continually referring us back to his D4 play? I mean, isn't that right about where he'd want us to look if he were scum? Isn't that about where he'd be "putting his plan into motion"? I don't understand why he keeps telling us "My D4 play doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective" when we KNOW that scum are doing weird things and that if he were scum, he'd be fully aware of the weird things that are going on and can post accordingly.
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To be completely honest I'm not so sure that there is a whole lot that's objectively scummy about his play throughout the game as a whole.
Did he push the Palmar lynch differently from the way he pushed Solstice? That may be a place to look.
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On October 11 2013 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
To be completely honest I'm not so sure that there is a whole lot that's objectively scummy about his play throughout the game as a whole.
Did he push the Palmar lynch differently from the way he pushed Solstice? That may be a place to look.
Well yeah. That's what my post earlier stating how fucked we were if austin was scum was about.
I'll go take a look at the Palmar push. From memory, it didn't seem heartfelt. It was a thinly veiled policy vote, actually iirc.
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And come to think of it, Austin has pushed Solstice for a lot of the game. Like he mentioned, pre-CC/Solstice what-the-fuckery.
If the plans only began to go down N3/D4/whatever I don't know if I see a reason for Austin to be pushing Solstice that early.
Is a full-game-long bus more likely?
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On October 11 2013 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2013 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
To be completely honest I'm not so sure that there is a whole lot that's objectively scummy about his play throughout the game as a whole.
Did he push the Palmar lynch differently from the way he pushed Solstice? That may be a place to look. Well yeah. That's what my post earlier stating how fucked we were if austin was scum was about. I'll go take a look at the Palmar push. From memory, it didn't seem heartfelt. It was a thinly veiled policy vote, actually iirc.
Yeah I'm in the middle of reading that.
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One thing that always bothered me.
VE did you think FT was super crazy ridiculously town?
I don't think anyone thought he was as town as Austin did.
Oh wait, maybe Pandain.
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On October 11 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
And come to think of it, Austin has pushed Solstice for a lot of the game. Like he mentioned, pre-CC/Solstice what-the-fuckery.
If the plans only began to go down N3/D4/whatever I don't know if I see a reason for Austin to be pushing Solstice that early.
Is a full-game-long bus more likely?
Well that's what this post is about.
On October 10 2013 10:37 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 09:56 austinmcc wrote:On October 02 2013 09:52 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 02 2013 09:28 austinmcc wrote:
I WILL ACTIVATE THE SIRENS KNOCK IT OFF
VE
THE THREAD HAS BEEN HIJACKED BY ARGUING.
ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO CHAT WITH AUSTINMCC INSTEAD OF ARGUING?
You want to lynch Hiro Protagonist. And Palmar?
I will gladly chat about either of those people, and listen, and maybe get down with them lynches, if you will talk to me about solstice and ... pandain.
Specifically, I will offer this --> Hiro Pro does not look good, but why do I lynch him NOW instead of trying to get him to comment on like...a bunch of stuff, lynching him if he doesn't or his responses are super scummy? Where did the bolded come from? Anyway, I'll discuss s0l with you. I'm willfully ignoring Pandain for the moment, but promise to take a look before dawn and I'll provide my read then. Anything specific you want to discuss about s0lstice? Mainly from I think misreading this post On October 02 2013 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
You didn't really push the rayn lynch through which I WOULD have expected from a town Palmar. But I'm not sure how much of that to attribute to you not having played in X amount of time, now in a game with several people who you're not sure will just blindly do what you say. Ultimately, that's not enough for me to change my read. Which I took as "you look scummy for x" "but maybe you're town because of the circumstances" "except that's not enough for me to change my read" Actually, I really hate your posts on Palmar because it doesn't seem like you can figure out WHAT you want to do with him, despite calling him town at a couple points you don't seem convinced. austin this post by you is really bad in hindsight. You were looking for people to talk with you about s0Lstice...and when I jump at the opportunity, you say NOTHING about s0Lstice and instead tell me how bad I look based on what I said about Palmar. Like, I get that it was in response to something I'd said, but I specifically asked you about s0Lstice and you literally said nothing about s0Lstice in spite of that being where your vote was at the time (iirc). On October 10 2013 10:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Further, you go on to make some huge case against s0Lstice, which he apparently didn't debunk because you still thought he was mafia (apparently) and then all of a sudden you liked him when you decided to vote for Palmar.
Association-wise, I think you look the worst of anyone alive at the moment with regard to s0Lstice.
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Oh jesus his switch to Palmar looks SO BAD.
FUCK THIS GAME IS TOO HARD
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On October 11 2013 09:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
One thing that always bothered me.
VE did you think FT was super crazy ridiculously town?
I don't think anyone thought he was as town as Austin did.
Oh wait, maybe Pandain.
No but Pandain had me convinced through sheer posting. No, not ridiculously town, but I was willing to give him a shot based on Pandain's posting.
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Alright let's talk.
Austin's switch to Palmar.
What is it motivated by is Austin is scum?
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Well, maybe drawing unintended heat to s0Lstice? At the time they had just had a back and forth, so he could feasibly (as we've discovered THIS phase) just say his mind was changed, so if/when s0L flips he looks good for the case and has an out for the switch?
I don't know what you mean by "motivated by", if Austin is his teammate, obviously he doesn't want to push to lynch him.
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On October 11 2013 09:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, maybe drawing unintended heat to s0Lstice? At the time they had just had a back and forth, so he could feasibly (as we've discovered THIS phase) just say his mind was changed, so if/when s0L flips he looks good for the case and has an out for the switch?
I don't know what you mean by "motivated by", if Austin is his teammate, obviously he doesn't want to push to lynch him.
Ok I didn't think of that honestly, was only thinking of offensive reasons: ie is scum Austin out to lynch a town Palmar out of nowhere or did they think Palmar was scum.
Like...it just seems so ODD that he switches the vote so early with barely any reason or pretense, and then starts making cases and attacks post-hoc.
The thing is here, Austin is bang-on with his analysis of Palmar. So imo it doesn't look as much like a scum-on-town mislynch, so we either have to believe they knew he was scum here (which I believe people have argued for) or Austin is actually town.
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And with regards to the above---Cheese's push on CR LOOKS like a mislynch on 'town CR' waiting to happen. Since a CC/CR/Solstice scumteam means they knew CR was scum, the weak reasoning for the push looks worse.
Of course it could be a town CC pushing scum CR but it just doesn't look like that to me.
Like...I'm aware the above sounds really weird but it makes sense in my head.
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Wait why would he have to KNOW Palmar is scum? Why could he not have just READ Palmar as scum? If they're on opposing teams, why is that hard to believe?
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On October 11 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
And with regards to the above---Cheese's push on CR LOOKS like a mislynch on 'town CR' waiting to happen. Since a CC/CR/Solstice scumteam means they knew CR was scum, the weak reasoning for the push looks worse.
Of course it could be a town CC pushing scum CR but it just doesn't look like that to me.
Like...I'm aware the above sounds really weird but it makes sense in my head.
Yeah give me a sec to try and parse out what you're saying. 
I think I get it but I want to make sure.
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in regards to the whole payphone thing this is where im at:
s0lstice = scum read on Mr.CC
CR = useless(sorry)
austin = adamant about pandain not being scum even when it was blatantly obvious, couldn't wait for noire to be over to say it.
so this together makes sense on paper in them thinking that cheesecake is the last scum and contacting him.
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Ehhhhh...I'ma have to go look at the Cheese>CR push to see if I agree with what you're saying. Honestly I don't remember it at all.
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