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On October 01 2013 11:16 austinmcc wrote:I liked him for scum, was planning on pushing, now may watch, unsure. I don't like FT for scum. He first got scrutinized for his early posts: Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote:Okay, so my best scum read right now is ShiaoPi. He's been around, but hasn't contributed. His filter is all one liners with basically no substance. Now, I know ShiaoPi is a lot better than how he's playing right now. I want to know why he is playing below is full potential. Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897&user=ShiaoPi
RNG debate. Statistically, it is a great idea to randomly choose a day one lynch. There are 6 scum between us. 6/20= .3 I don't think the best scumhunters among us can lynch with greater accuracy on Day 1 than 30%. However, I also don't think there is any method by which we can decide a fair way to choose a random kill. We would need an unbiased party to use random.org or something. We don't have any confirmed town, so discussing this topic is pointless. Lynching randomly is impractical and unfeasible. Stop wasting time discussing this pointless topic. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 15:37 FirmTofu wrote:
##Vote: ShiaoPi
...and I'm off to bed! Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote:On September 27 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 15:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok, my first impressions are that Yamato, WoS, and VE look super town. Grack is probably scum. His posting is terrible.
I've never played a legit game with BH or Palmar, so I can't read them yet. Thanks for the detailed explanations. Care to explain? We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 15:41 FirmTofu wrote:On September 27 2013 15:39 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote:On September 27 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 15:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok, my first impressions are that Yamato, WoS, and VE look super town. Grack is probably scum. His posting is terrible.
I've never played a legit game with BH or Palmar, so I can't read them yet. Thanks for the detailed explanations. Care to explain? We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day. Well I can't just sit here and let you call me scum without giving any reasoning. You can, and you will. I'm going to actually go to bed now. ^_^ Thread wasn't hopping at the point FT dropped these. If FT is scum, he wanted to get active, post something legitimate, and dropped...that set of posts? No. He has no reason to do that as scum - he doesn't need to finger SP, he doesn't need to tell Grack he's not gonna talk about Grack. He doesn't need to take a hard stance and say eff you guys I'm sleeping. If FT is scum, I don't think he makes 1/3 of a case on SP, drops a vote on SP, tells grack he's not chatting, and goes to bed. It's messy, it's not crafted, it's very confident that he can tell Grack to shove off. In an odd way, I viewed the lack of explanation that other people are jumping on as scummy but not anti-town? Like...yes, scum may like dropping votes for no/bad reasons. But townies do it to. And the timing and circumstances of FT's posts here and vote don't strike me as scummy, because scum doesn't have a reason to do this --> add a new candidate, not push that guy, dip from thread (barring scumbuddy being heavily scrutinized at the time, but then I'd expect a real push from FT onto someone else). One of the reasons I liked Koshi for scum was his quick defense of FT on slightly shaky grounds, that FT was a townie trying to make a "splash" - Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 21:09 Koshi wrote:On September 27 2013 21:03 Palmar wrote:On September 27 2013 20:51 Koshi wrote:
Maybe to put pressure on SP? I don't find it scummy tbh. With limited time he could have voted Grack and then make a case on SP. Or just 1up grack and then make case + vote to give his case more value. If you think someone is scum you don't try to create a new bandwagon. If you another guy has more chance of flipping scum than someone who's already under pressure, you make a case that's you know.. actually a case, to convince people to follow your reasoning. As to your point about putting pressure on SP, do you honestly think that SP feels any kind of pressure from a random vote with no reasons to back it up, from a guy who has no influence on the game so far. Remember FT hasn't done anything to establish himself as a person that demands attention in town. Or are you merely saying FT is stupid and thinks that his vote holds more value than it does? I don't think it is stupid at all. FT also says he will make a case if Grack leads in votes. I am not a fan of people playin this game 1 hour a day but FT made a splash and I dont find that splash scummy. A lot of my D1 notes are just in relation to FT, who attacked him/defended him for what (except not the last chunk of D1, tl;dr). That defense was slightly wonky, in that I didn't think it was much of a splash, and ... there's not much of an explanation here. He doesn't explain the splash, doesn't say WHY he doesn't find the "splash" scummy.
Why did he drop that set of posts when he did?
Like you said, he wanted to appear active. He just chose a really shitty way of going about it. FT is not a strong player by any means and I do not doubt for a second this was him attempting to look towny and useful. I even explained what I believe his narrative behind his posting to be if you look back at my case on him.
Essentially your case boils down to what you believe scum 'would' or 'should' be doing and I disagree. I don't think it's unlikely at all that FT dropped his vote early and for a bad reason despite 'not needing to;' as a newer player the overwhelming urge to post and to look useful in a game for fear people might catch on is exactly what I think FT did here and my narrative fits with that POV.
Now you also say you 'like' Koshi for scum.
I need to hear some more on that, because I've had a townread on him for most of the game.
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On October 01 2013 11:41 austinmcc wrote:
I will tell you, but I need you to phrase your request as if I were a busty hot dog vendress and you were either (a) an intoxicated college student after a night of partying, just looking for a delicious hot dog before going home to pass out or (b) a guy who works at a dog grooming place down the street and regularly comes to the hot dog stand for Tuesday lunch.
No can do.
Surprise crying fit.
Post what you gotta and I'll read it when I can.
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Vayne is the only person I would consider switching my vote off of FT to.
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Before I go to bed, I'd just like to say I don't think I'll be considering a switch to VA at all today anymore.
WAY too many people popping up out of the woodwork calling VA scummy now when I've been saying it all game.
Fuck that shit, it looks awful on all of you. Especially FT.
You're going down, scum.
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Catching up, but I gotta say I feel pretty good about Palms being town.
3 pages back atm.
Rayn, I am not letting you off the hook. Your reads on me have been weird as shit this game----you gave up your original tunnel pretty quick, then tried to get back on it after the first day and then just got off again?
Sick =/= explanation. Let's hear it.
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Also I will not be around for lynch so you guys had better fucking keep your votes on FT. None of these horseshit last second shenanigans.
I'm going to have to read the CR/VA interaction a little bit more closely at some point because I feel I will be able to determine the D3 lynch from that. I highly doubt all of the power players around that conversation are all town.
Shiao: bad town for bringing up new lynch in Mr CC with 4h or so to go, or scum? One of those things that seems unlikely for a scum to push a random mislynch so late in the day, but somehow I don't think Shiao would follow that rule.
VE: DO SOMETHING.
If anyone wants to talk to me about something specific I have about 30 min before I'm gone until well after deadline.
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On October 02 2013 01:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
nice reads, they pretty much line up perfectly with fine almost. One more cycle and ill probably have this game figured out after a few more people die.
VA: You always think you have games figured out even when you don't.
Rayn I like that last post even if I don't necessarily agree with the reads. Find it difficult to believe you'd put that much thought into trying to actually determine both scumteams through association as scum, though I suppose that's predicated on whether those scumteams/reads make sense in relation to each other, which I haven't done the fact checking on.
No martyring. If you're town I'm not lynching you and I'm not lynching Palmar. It would be nice to have a game where we both have solid townreads on each other for once---can you please try and discover what it was exactly that made you change your mind about me for the final time? That really confuses me.
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On October 02 2013 01:55 Grackaroni wrote:
hahaha Rayn I'm like confirmed town.
Um...wtf? How exactly?
Rayn I completely disagree. Just because FT is lynchbait doesn't mean he's not scum. Even IF you have the scumteams nailed down I would disagree that anyone on your list is a better lynch than Rayn. I don't want to lynch Pamar, and many of the others I'm on the fence about.
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On October 02 2013 01:58 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 01:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 02 2013 01:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
nice reads, they pretty much line up perfectly with fine almost. One more cycle and ill probably have this game figured out after a few more people die. VA: You always think you have games figured out even when you don't. Rayn I like that last post even if I don't necessarily agree with the reads. Find it difficult to believe you'd put that much thought into trying to actually determine both scumteams through association as scum, though I suppose that's predicated on whether those scumteams/reads make sense in relation to each other, which I haven't done the fact checking on. No martyring. If you're town I'm not lynching you and I'm not lynching Palmar. It would be nice to have a game where we both have solid townreads on each other for once---can you please try and discover what it was exactly that made you change your mind about me for the final time? That really confuses me. Are you scumslipping here or what are you saying? How would you know if im right or not?
Yup, you totes caught me.
Use your brain for a second.
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On October 02 2013 02:00 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 02:00 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 02 2013 01:58 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 02 2013 01:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 02 2013 01:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
nice reads, they pretty much line up perfectly with fine almost. One more cycle and ill probably have this game figured out after a few more people die. VA: You always think you have games figured out even when you don't. Rayn I like that last post even if I don't necessarily agree with the reads. Find it difficult to believe you'd put that much thought into trying to actually determine both scumteams through association as scum, though I suppose that's predicated on whether those scumteams/reads make sense in relation to each other, which I haven't done the fact checking on. No martyring. If you're town I'm not lynching you and I'm not lynching Palmar. It would be nice to have a game where we both have solid townreads on each other for once---can you please try and discover what it was exactly that made you change your mind about me for the final time? That really confuses me. Are you scumslipping here or what are you saying? How would you know if im right or not? Yup, you totes caught me. Use your brain for a second. you didn't answer my question. how do you know if im right or not?
Because i've read your posting in obs QTs.
You don't have the scumteam nailed down nearly as often as you think you do.
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You think I was referring to you being right in this game and scumslipped?
Jesus Vayne.
Or was that some sort of bait?
I never know with you! Your play is just so good!
I have to stop talking to you entirely. Everything you say just infuriates me.
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VAYNE YOU FUCKING IDIOT. (ADHOMADHOMADHOMADHOM)
You said 'I'll ahve this game figured out.'
You always say shit like 'My D1 reads are always accurate.'
So based on my observances of you I make a statement that that is false.
Do you need me to come over to your house and spell it out with fucking fisher price letters?
Holy balls you are infuriatingly obtuse.
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On October 02 2013 02:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 01:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 02 2013 01:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
nice reads, they pretty much line up perfectly with fine almost. One more cycle and ill probably have this game figured out after a few more people die. VA: You always think you have games figured out even when you don't. Rayn I like that last post even if I don't necessarily agree with the reads. Find it difficult to believe you'd put that much thought into trying to actually determine both scumteams through association as scum, though I suppose that's predicated on whether those scumteams/reads make sense in relation to each other, which I haven't done the fact checking on. No martyring. If you're town I'm not lynching you and I'm not lynching Palmar. It would be nice to have a game where we both have solid townreads on each other for once---can you please try and discover what it was exactly that made you change your mind about me for the final time? That really confuses me. This post: Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 29 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS can you elaborate on my (3). What went through your head during those posts. I can't Rayn. I am not making it up, but I honestly cannot tell you. If that makes me scum so be it. I thought i commented on it but apparently i didn't. This was exactly the answer i was looking for. You are not making up bullshit reasons but saying "i have no idea, something was fucked up with me".
HAHA
No, that's not quite it but I do think you and I are on the same page with this one. I know exactly what I was thinking at the time and I'm thinking maybe you might have caught on too.
Problem is, I'm not entirely sure why that constitutes a townread of me.
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On October 02 2013 02:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
So you felt the need to post an ad hom attack out of nowhere? any particular reason?
Because your play makes me angry.
You're arrogant and have absolutely zero reason to be.
it seems it's actually gotten to a point where your sheer presence in a game fucks with mine. I won't be playing games with you any more.
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Alright well that's some fucking wasted time.
Be back after deadline.
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Alright ladies and gents, you guys can decide:
Which Wave would you like?
The one that rages fucking hardcore at you all for specifically doing exactly what I told you not to?
Or the one that gives up entirely because time and time again towns just fail over and over and no matter what I say and do?
You can have a few hours to mull it over. Be back later.
Congrats on the lynch!
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On October 02 2013 05:39 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 05:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright ladies and gents, you guys can decide:
Which Wave would you like?
The one that rages fucking hardcore at you all for specifically doing exactly what I told you not to?
Or the one that gives up entirely because time and time again towns just fail over and over and no matter what I say and do?
You can have a few hours to mull it over. Be back later.
Congrats on the lynch! How about the one that objectively considers the thread and comes back with cold reason rather than hot rage? I didn't notice that Wave among the possibilities. 
How about you play this game, considering it's likely to be your last for a bit?
You really disappoint me.
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Before I go, let's remind us all of a few things:
On October 02 2013 03:07 FirmTofu wrote:
Since I'm probably going to get lynched today, I'll try to put my reads out there for everyone to use after the flip. Remember to watch how people are voting today. I think the people who voted me earlier are more likely to be scum than the later ones.
Vote analysis - can't find a time where FT wasn't just voting along with popular sentiment at the time. The VA vote is HUGE evidence of this because VA was never in any real danger of getting lynched, yet FT assumed that because a whole bunch of people piled on him at once, it was safe.
His reaction to the shenanigans:
On October 02 2013 05:00 FirmTofu wrote:
Wait... what the fuck just happened...
Apparently it's extremely confusing to FT that people decided to vote his 'scumread' rather than him.
And I know I'm one to defend people's emotions and whatnot but I'm sorry, I just don't believe this.
On October 02 2013 05:13 FirmTofu wrote:
I give up.
On October 02 2013 05:20 FirmTofu wrote:
Seriously, it's so fucking stupid how WRONG I've been about everything recently. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. It's fucking frustrating. Just going to take a hiatus before I just spiral.
fuck me
Honestly, the second quote is more believable than the first. Don't ask me why, just goin' on guts.
I'm going to keep pushing VA and FT for scum until I die tonight, and then you guys can forget about my reads just like you do for every other confirmed townie!
I'm not using my vest. Scum, it's your call. Apparently I'm not exactly a threat this game since people won't listen but if you're still scurred of me I'm a free range fucking turkey.
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Anyone around?
It's time to have discussion.
People need to own up to their shit.
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