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Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 19:22 GMT
#346
onlywonderboy, do you have a defense?

At this point, the most dangerous possibilities for me are heavenz using lurker factor to bring a scum win, possibly in conjunction with Playerboy. But both of them are contributing and reading town in many ways. A more subdued scum team is more likely to me by now.

Tons of possibilities for lurker combinations but we have to disregard those I think. We get a lot of information tonight with an active target. Hopefully modkills sweep up foil targets and maybe even a scum or two.

Jayte voted last night and Blurry did not, so for tomorrow depending on the landscape--good scum reads first obviously--prioritize a Jayte lynch if it comes down to a lurker. Assuming he will be modkilled last. Frustrating to depend on modkills but we have to.
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 19:45 GMT
#350
Jayte did not vote last night.


My mistake, too stressed.

On September 30 2013 04:34 onlywonderboy wrote:
I've been trying to defend myself all game long and it's been cited as one of the major reasons I've been called out as a scum. I don't have much to say now. I'm trying, but everything I say just gets twisted (which is a big part of the game). I haven't been calling people out because hardly anyone has done anything to show their true colors, I'm just working on little pieces of info like everyone else. I think you guys are just confusing scum reads with noob reads. I'm pretty sure heavenz is mafia though. Seems certain I'm mafia and never gave any good reasoning for it. If I end up getting lynched when I'm revealed to be town it will at least put pressure on heavenz and playerboy since they are so convinced I'm scum.



Defense is not a problem at all; you should vehemently defend yourself and explain why it's a bad choice, give reads on people you suspect and why.

Only saying who to suspect if you die isn't helping. Anything more on heavenz or Playerboy? Who else do you suspect and why?

What is your read on Stormtemplar at the moment?

You write posts that show a lot of thinking without much reasoning surrounding scum reads. It's not impossible that it's a newbie tell, but I'm starting to get a feeling that it's a "I know no one I would want lynched is actually mafia" thing.

Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 19:49 GMT
#351
I want to make a note that Balla is effectively under the radar. I have nothing on him as scum for today, but he hasn't made a great effort to substantiate any case even if he's given opinions and reads.
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 20:32 GMT
#353
##Vote onlywonderboy

I see a good case here, plus it solves a town fight and gives lead to an under-the-radar scum team.

Unless I've missed something on playerboy or something new turns up, this is my vote.
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 20:43 GMT
#355
Heavenz, can you outline how you suddenly shifted your read on onlywonderboy from strong town to certainly mafia? Your explanation wasn't bad in itself, but "strong town" and "certainly mafia" are indeed very conflicting reads.
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 21:02 GMT
#358
I'm trying to see if heavenz and playerboy can be scum, lots of things lean against them, but lots of little details speak for them as well. heavenz roleblock, and frustration with lurkers after phase; sure he could fake this as scum, I just wouldn't expect him to.

playerboy has done a lot of scummy things and it's possible he's playing dumb when he's called out about it, but he's always been enthusiastic and seemingly curious to solve the game. After he constructed his huge case based on me starting a vote swap as scum, obviously I have the reaction that "he calls me scum, he must be scum", but I don't want that to cloud my judgment. Still, he did it at just the timing I imagine he would want to set up as scum...

I'm really not sure about onlywonderboy, it's 50/50 for me as is playerboy, heavenz similar. I'm hoping for the best town situation considering our lurker situation, though, and I would hate it if we had active town on town kills and die that way

Depends on heavenz, onlywonderboy and playerboy's input now.
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 21:29 GMT
#364
On September 30 2013 06:24 heavenz wrote:
if I was scum I would sit back and just watch you, or don't show up at all, haha... Anyone who pushes for me is either mafia, or w/e, lynch me if you must.


... this post makes me think heavenz is capable of using any kind of lurker situation to his advantage. Much more scummy to me now.

It would make sense for heavenz to lead the scum team, kill Bereft and go after Bereft's scum read (a scum read who is town of course).

Heavenz. Please explain more, that really was no kind of town defense.
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 21:39 GMT
#366
Ok I'll buy it.

Betting onlywonderboy.
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 21:53 GMT
#376
On September 30 2013 06:43 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 06:39 Zaragon wrote:
Ok I'll buy it.

Betting onlywonderboy.


Wait i'm confused, why do you buy it? Isn't vt just vanilla townie? Why would someone claim that? Not too relevant to the game i guess but im just so confused right now.


Ah my first thought was vigi which could be proven in the night.

I'm not sure, I just buy the possibility of a mafia roleblocker hitting heavenz since Bereft died and I wasn't roleblocked. playerboy hasn't said anything about roleblocking either.

Of course, heavenz would know if there isn't a scum roleblocker in the game if he is scum... Ugh

I don't know
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 21:56 GMT
#381
On September 30 2013 06:54 heavenz wrote:
the roleblock thing was only important when it was impossible for bereft to roleblock me that we know there is a mafia roleblock, was the only use of that claim.


If you are scum and there is no scum roleblocker in this game, you could safely claim roleblock to look towny. It would be really good play, even. So I don't know what to bet on.
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 21:58 GMT
#382
No my check is irrelevant to this decision at present
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 22:18 GMT
#385
Ouch I really wish I had swung that vote those last agonizing minutes. Looking at heavenz and playerboy for the night.

Second big mistake on my part. I'm more than willing to trust the people that voted playerboy or heavenz to take the wheel now, I get the sense I let myself get swayed by scum
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 22:30 GMT
#393
We have a chance then, and if heavenz and playerboy are the scum team now we could have it won. If so I'm guessing their last resort is to go after me and tying me to others, together.

But if it's just one of them and the other scum is voting on the other (or Koshi[Blurry]) this might get tricky.

I doubt I'll budge much on them now or get any new information, but I'll look as much as I can. I have my own little town circle with my town check still, unfortunately they can't know, of course. So I'm going to use that as much as possible to evaluate things, but otherwise hope others will step up.

(Sorry onlywonderboy, bye)
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 22:33 GMT
#394
On September 30 2013 07:30 Koshi wrote:
Ahyeah extra information about me.

I got roleblocked night 1.



So heavenz is mafia? Wish we had known that a bit earlier.
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 22:39 GMT
#396
Heavenz claimed being roleblocked reasonably early day 2. So scum had made a mistake with the RB and he tried to use it to look towny, hoping Blurry would stay AFK, I suppose? Or there is some possibility I haven't considered. Will check.

(Welcome Koshi, btw)
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 22:52 GMT
#401
I suppose it's plausible. The now dead Vanilla Mafia + 2 Mafia Roleblockers? And they blocked heavenz and Bereft, which would make playerboy's plan of implicating me after the day 1 vote swing look mafia now. I guess it doesn't make much difference for me, playerboy and heavenz look extremely scummy to me and anything else is only a remote possibility for me.

But I'm guessing the rest of you need to evaluate me. Just keep in mind the swing vote was in my hands last minute and towards the two other people I wanted lynched. I'm also an un-countered 1-Shot Cop. I've made mistakes, but they should be clearly towny ones at this point.
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 23:29 GMT
#412
Night Koshi, thanks for contributions.

I guess there can be no doc role in this setup then?

Which makes me comfortable to say my town check was JonnyLaw.
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 23:36 GMT
#415
Could be GF or Investigation Immune SK, so it's not exactly 100%, and no way to find out that I know.
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 30 2013 00:14 GMT
#419
On September 30 2013 09:08 stormtemplar wrote:
Hey guys, this whole chain of events has left me a little confused, I'm going to have to spend some time reading through it, but I'll try to have something by the end of the night. Zaragon, since you expect to die tomorrow, are you going to share your cop read at some point tonight.


I did, it's JonnyLaw.

And depending on our setup (I've calculated a bit in the C9++ and we should have only 2 goons + Roleblocker mafia team) he might be 100% confirmed town. Only possible SK or GF if we have an unclaimed role which needs to come out right now (unless it's a Doc)
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 30 2013 00:25 GMT
#421
So, the two remaining mafia are a Godfather and Roleblocker, and if we have a medic (or more than one, but unlikely in this scenario for even one) we have a Serial Killer. I hope I'm not misreading C9++.

That's sticky.
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