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On September 08 2013 14:24 debears wrote: Convince me why I should in if I am given good reasoning, you can have my sword Just look at the playerlist so far! Pandain This guy is s veteran to tlforums and tlmafia with over 6 THOUSAND posts. He was one of the FIRST mafia players and one of the best tl mafia has ever seen. Legendary does not even begin to describe Pandain. VayneAuthority A newer addition to the circuit but he his no nonsense bad boy attitude will make you remember him. Don't give him any crap because he won't take it! Koshi A mystery wrapped in an enigma. You can't be sure if he's spouting nonsense or some esoteric logic that is miles above your head. Genius or madman? You decide! Strongandbig A scumhunting specialist. If you are scum watch out because this guy will demolish your townie facade and lynch you. Onegu The newbie of the bunch. Asset or liability? That remains to be seen. Will he unknowingly reveal his entire scum team, or unleash his innate mafia skills and show up his mafia elders? raynpelikoneet Prepare yourself for a virtual FOREST of text. It's up to you to navigate that forest, but watch your step! Scum may be hiding, ready to trap you unaware. Can you lumberjack your way through the thicket of rayne's spam to find out if his forest is enchanted or cursed? Grackaroni No mafia game is complete with its token troll. If he's anything like his namesake, prepare yourself for the rage, the flames, and the fun! | ||
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On September 12 2013 07:19 Papa_Smurf wrote: btw kush, raynp, grock. Please don't spam. I'm begging you guys. Makes the game freakin impossible to read. And SnB i have an idea how to do it. ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?! How dare you include me with the spammers?!! I never spam. Who the fuck is this smurf coward? anyone know his real identity? | ||
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On September 12 2013 07:47 Grackaroni wrote: How do you respond to my accusation? Quit dodging me, SCUM TROLL! sorry i just assumed you were a troll because your name is grackeroni | ||
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On September 12 2013 08:18 Papa_Smurf wrote: Btw Vayne have you played much with kush? ya and he's been on my scumteam before | ||
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Vayne could still be scum, but i understand his thought process for confirming sb town. | ||
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On September 12 2013 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote: As I didn't get to say this in pregame chat (as I didn't know I'd be playing until the silent pregame period) I would like to make this perfectly clear. There is a period of time in this game where I will not be around a computer---I was told I won't get modkilled for this---what you guys choose to do about it when the time comes is another story, but I am giving you fair warning. I will not have computer access from Friday pre-deadline until Saturday evening post-deadline. This will be the entirety of Night 1 I believe. Make of it what you will. + Show Spoiler + I'm also real sad I'm replacing DP---if anything I wanted to play with him. ![]() Going to do some stuff and watch Masterchef finale. Will return to hunt scum later. So far I want to lynch WoS. Already building his lurker narrative. Here he gives an excuse for a short absence. It's unnecessarily specific, ##vote wos | ||
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OP hello you smug ms son of a bitch. i love people like you who can't stfu about ms. I agree that we dont plynch enough but I am a terrible plynch. | ||
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On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote: Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got. Scum are given fake claims though! | ||
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On September 13 2013 02:38 Grackaroni wrote: I've played with kush before and I doubt he is going to start playing at this point, but there's no way of reading him so it's a waste of a lynch. The fuck?? It hasn't even been half of d1 yet. Grack you need to CHILL THE FUCK OUT son. I' gonna do a close read tonight then I'll say who I think we should lynch | ||
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IT SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT HIS ROLE.... Scum were given fake claims... i know this for a fact because I asked about it. | ||
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On September 13 2013 09:48 Old Partner wrote: we should lync kush, he will never be readable. It is just not true about me never being readable. No one who plays with me a lot thinks that. Yes my content so far has not been particularly alignment indicative. But that is because I was busy and didn't have time to come up with anything worthwhile. In the next 8 hours at some point I will closely read the thread, decide who I want to lynch, and write why. That is a promise you can hold me to. So all policy votes on me, (which im pretty sure is all of them) should come off right now. Because I AM PROMISING to do shit tonight and if I don't you can auto lynch me. | ||
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You don't lynch people who are vocal, not spamming, good players on D1. All my mafia experience has taught me it always ends up lynching potentially useful town. (see WoS lynch d1 in persona). | ||
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If you haven't even read the thread, how can you be so sure about your terribad grack read? | ||
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On September 13 2013 13:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Answer that question yourself, Kush. What are the possible answers to that question? Not sure honestly. Because I am also in the position of never having read the thread, but in that case I always just want to sheep someone instead of being the only one voting for an unpopular, unfounded, lynch. | ||
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i am often in the position of not having read the thread | ||
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lawlz papa smurf is debears. just realized that. PAPA SMURF IS DEBEARS FOR ALL MY NON READING TOWN BROS I no longer want to lynch WoS now. just GK and and zealos would be fine i guess. | ||
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I want to lynch goodkarma not grack. oh and I still think he/you is scum. Your imsoopen attitude is overdone and it's really not fooling me at all. Your reason for voting Blub is complete nonsense. He said something dumb and worded it weird and you jumped on it. | ||
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Warning: fluff post. Thursday 8pm to Friday 7am WORK Friday 8am to 4pm CLASS Friday 8pm to Saturday 8am WORK | ||
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On September 14 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: you (town) blubblers (prolly town) SnB (totally scum) K then I guess I'll vote blubbers. Too hard to do our from my phone so I'll do it in a few hours | ||
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Your tunnel on snb looks exactly like your tunnel on wos in persona. Did you notice that? | ||
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I have read the thread. Sometimes I do not, but I have read every post of this thread. Most of it has been translated to blah blah blah but I read the shit! It's just to formulate reads for me, that takes time beyond reading. No, I'm not ever going to get to give this game a good close read. How I will progress in the future with my reads is I will be mainly looking at filters of people who I think are suspicious, and possibly read a block of like 10 pages around a vote. | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:09 Papa_Smurf wrote: So you read the game, but fucking refuse to give us any reads or any thoughts on the main happenings on the thread? This is bullshit I have given reads kind of and town reads and shit. It's just I really have no idea who scum is at this point. There is a reason none of the people who have been playing with me recently think I'm town, but all the people who havne't played with me in a while or ever think I am scum. This is new kush meta. l2kushmeta | ||
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ie vayne, rayne, koshi, snb maybe | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:46 VayneAuthority wrote: kush after the end of all that just drops his vote on blubbdavid who was his savior and peaces out. please stop giving this guy a free pass it is absurd. kind of a weird attitude coming from you. I thought recently you townread me? Also why someone being my "savior" make them more or less likely to be scum? Let's get the facts straight. 1 I was not at risk for getting lynched. There was more than one person who had more votes than me. 2 I had declared my intention for voting blub for a long time. I waiting so long so I could get back to my pc and didn't have to navigate to the vote thread on my phone, | ||
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also haha you didn't lynch me. now you never will | ||
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why would survivor lie about not being here for lynch? | ||
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On September 14 2013 16:08 Grackaroni wrote: I think I've just solved the game. Zealos, Pandain You can thank me later. i dont disagree | ||
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On September 14 2013 17:43 blubbdavid wrote: stfu ![]() this literally deserves a 6 game ban | ||
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itt going forward i want more cases and less conversation | ||
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if there were no fake claims then claiming would be super powerful, and it would be a good plan to have all possibly lynches claim their role names well in advance in lynching them. First I asked: can you claim? answer was yes. then i was like wtf thats op for town if no fake claims are scum provided with fake claims? answer was yes | ||
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i have absolutely zero idea. need to put some time in reading filters which will be hopefully later on tonight. | ||
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On September 15 2013 15:09 Papa_Smurf wrote: This is how I feel about kush right now i make you horny? | ||
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vayne you remind me of my uncle who still lives with my grandmother and hates black people because he never gets laid | ||
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Earlier in the post quoted below you call me CERTAIN SCUM. Unreadable, antitown, fine those words probably describe me. But how could you say I am certain scum?? The fake claim reason is super weak. Why would scum reveal they know about fake claims? Also ask anyone, I have a history of trying to abuse game mechanics which is why my mind naturally went there. Then there's this defense of Umasi. I think he is a HIGHLY LIKELY to be scum. Your defense is really bad imo. He is attempting to generate discussion?? lol.. what do you expect scum to do? be like me and do absolutely nothing? Also about his attack on blubb here..it's terrible. He is essentially nitpicking an awkwardly worded phrase, giving vague reasons why it makes blubb scum. I think it's a breach in mentality, you are scum A breach in mentality wtf is that... On September 15 2013 12:04 Pandain wrote: Umasi is town Doesn't post much, but is attempting to promote discussion, albeit late because he was a replacement. Also Goodkarma struck town to me as he correctly identified the pointless koshi/grack/va/snb situation. This post to me seems like he's attempting to generate discussion: He pressures blub, but rather than go afk eventually or even stick with "he's suspicious," he actually changes to the scum that we now know in OP | ||
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your quote about umasi: he actually changes to the scum that we now know in OP how do we know OP is scum?? Seems like he could be scum but there is a better chance he is actually 3p. | ||
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scum do that kind of shit all the time. | ||
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fucking smurfs. | ||
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On September 15 2013 15:09 Papa_Smurf wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Og4LaB1Zc i just watched this for literally 15 minutes | ||
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His scumread list atm is OP - claimed survivor Me - afker everyone wants to kill with fire Zealos - classic lynch bait It's like he's going for the most obvious shit and not even trying to find scum. In terms of meta, town debears is levelheaded and logical. Scum debears is much louder and more emotional. Recall his bitchfit with rayne for no reason. Another thing that scum debears loves to do is yell at people about how to play the game. This is scumdebears from NMXXIX: On October 26 2012 00:49 debears wrote: No, No. No. No. No. Talking about roles is stupid. It gives the mafia stuff to go on when looking for nk candidates. DON'T DO IT. Here is this game (just one of the many times he has done something like this): On September 14 2013 05:01 Papa_Smurf wrote: Please don't give scum extra info unless 1) you are certain the info you reveal will make him look town 2) He is the leading candidate 3) if 2 is not the scenario, but it's close and time is running short | ||
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<3 let's make town babies | ||
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@Pandaren: last scum game? | ||
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On September 16 2013 01:40 Papa_Smurf wrote: why didnt kush use my two last town games for his meta case? i used the latest towngame that was on your profile that's why. but yeah this is what it looks like when a scum panics. about to defend my metacase hold on | ||
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Here is another example: On September 14 2013 10:12 Papa_Smurf wrote: Stop wifoming over posting a role pm Do post analysis over actual play This is completely different than the type of lecturing you did in that town game. ~~~~ Regarding your emotionality, in your town examples of you being emotional, it's not really that emotional. You are simple explaining yourself and using capitalization for emphasis. You have a completely different attitude as town. You are calm, methodical, logical. As scum you are aggressive, blunt, and mean. You look for superficial scumtells and latch onto them without analyzing deeper. On September 14 2013 09:29 Papa_Smurf wrote: So let me get this straight Raynp wants me to explain my read on him right away Raynp wants BH to post ever read he has right away Raynp won't post actual analysis on kush's play Raynp thought we should lynch oats (a replacement) over kush Wow Can He Be This Bad As Town ~~~~ You try to discount me because I've provided only two examples. I only did two in my original thread because I am lazy and tired and shit (awake all night). I have provided two more in this post. There are more still! ~~~~ Add to that the fact that you are literally freaking out right now. Your posting rate has jumped like crazy, like your heart rate if you had a gun to your head. You put crap tons of effort into this defense. Quoting past games and shit. If only you put a fraction of that effort into scum hunting, maybe I might believe you are town. | ||
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On September 16 2013 02:51 Papa_Smurf wrote: show me a game where I'm not a dick at all at any point. It's your meta case. You do it. Do what? I cant find a town game where you act like a dick to someone because there isn't one. That is my point. What is your most recent scumgame? | ||
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OP might not be survivor but he is probably 3p of some type. All the scum are going to be dying to kill him because he is an easy lynch with obvious reasons for wanting to lynch him. On September 16 2013 02:49 Papa_Smurf wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 16 2013 02:11 kushm4sta wrote: As scum you tell people how to play like with general newbie tips for how to play mafia. In your example, you were explaining why someone's case was bad / your thought process. It was not a superficial tip like you do in your scumgames. Here is another example: This is completely different than the type of lecturing you did in that town game. ~~~~ Regarding your emotionality, in your town examples of you being emotional, it's not really that emotional. You are simple explaining yourself and using capitalization for emphasis. You have a completely different attitude as town. You are calm, methodical, logical. As scum you are aggressive, blunt, and mean. You look for superficial scumtells and latch onto them without analyzing deeper. ~~~~ You try to discount me because I've provided only two examples. I only did two in my original thread because I am lazy and tired and shit (awake all night). I have provided two more in this post. There are more still! ~~~~ Add to that the fact that you are literally freaking out right now. Your posting rate has jumped like crazy, like your heart rate if you had a gun to your head. You put crap tons of effort into this defense. Quoting past games and shit. If only you put a fraction of that effort into scum hunting, maybe I might believe you are town. 2 more quotes from THIS GAME. WOW ' THAT'S GREAT ADDED META ANALYSIS. 2 more quotes from this game. wow. Not from my games where you would get a meta read. look at the red 1) "There are more still" implies he has already found more quotes from other games. Why did he not post them? "he's lazy and tired"? All he has to do is quote them. Kush is lying 2) Why has kush still not shown any of the above tells as trends in all my games? He has 2 quotes from two other games, which do not in any way indicate a trend when I have so kindly provided multiple quotes from 3 other games of mine. It's because he can't. 3) Why is kush so eager to lynch me over SnB, who should be the obvious lynch in a 15 player game with another survivor already flipped? @ps you dind't debunk shit. You just called me lazy is all you did. I ask you to find a town game where you insulted someone. You said "you do it." But my point is that there is none. Oh and I think this grack kid is full of shit. He's scum with ps probably. | ||
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Show me debears insulting someone as town. My reads right now are panda grack debears. It's just I have not written a case on the other two. | ||
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On September 17 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: kush, i just read the games you quoted. I don't see your point tbh. Can you tell us how exactly his attitude is different? He actually "insults" (i would not call that as an insult) Hapahauli in his town game a same manner he "insults" other people in his scum game. Both are different from this game imo. Both are similar to Desert and Aperture. You can't just take one quote where he shouts and look at it. When i read the posts in context and read the thread +/- 1 page from that it doesn't look like your case holds water. If you think debears is scum based on that you need to explain better what you mean. Based on your case and what i just read i don't think you are right. On phone He insults people directly in this game. He never does that as town. He disagrees with people emphatically as town which is what he was doing with hapa. Bh lynch is fine today whatever. Scum and town agree on a lynch just makes me mad about it. I will hopefully write a more convincing meta case today looking at his more recent games. It's just that those were the ones in his profile is why I chose them. L2 update for profile so it's easier to catch you. Now debears thinks I'm scum? Lol. Never done something like this as scum ever unless it was a bus. Also Notice hOw panda has nothing to say now that he can't push for my plynch anymore. | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:34 Sn0_Man wrote: No. I can give you like 2 townreads though (grack/dibbers). Why? Stick around for post game so I can laugh at you for this quote. | ||
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@rayn yeah ill do that when i feel like giving the effort. | ||
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that was not a scumslip. possibly a scum mindgame but overall should be a null tell imo | ||
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On September 17 2013 05:33 Old Partner wrote: he was trying to play it off like a joke and failing wait so you acutally think he posted in the thread instead of in the scumqt... that would be a pretty hard mistake to make imo. @grack, nah bro I didn't read that game yet. sorry! | ||
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oats response is standard all three are town imo | ||
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i hate all this useless speculation but for some reason i am participating in it | ||
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im switching to op to prevent his shenannies | ||
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On September 17 2013 07:26 strongandbig wrote: He's not actually playing the game and when he's town he does. (In the sense of engaging the thread and trying to solve the game) like me for example, activity really isn't a tell for most people. ps definitely might not be scum. At first glance look at d1 votes, panda looks bad, Rayne looks liek a fucking townie angel, umasi looks pretty town, | ||
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Panda moved to blubb Grack moved off OP onto Zealos (early vote on OP, OP wasn't a part of his later d1 scumreads) And that's how OP got saved...thanks to Grack and Panda moving to TWO separate people (to not look too conspicuous) Also note that debears wasn't around. His vote remained on me (I was the mislynch the scumteam was trying to push d1). There are three people left on the scumteam: debears, Graack and Panda On September 14 2013 06:38 ShiaoPi wrote: Day 1 Votecount: + Show Spoiler + strongandbig(0): VayneAuthority(0): WaveofShadow(0): Grackaroni(0): kushm4sta(4): Pandain(0): Old Partner(6): Koshi(0): blubbdavid(4): VayneAuthority, Zealos(1): raynpelikoneet(0): Currently Old Partner is set to be lynched! Remember, voting is mandatory! Next deadline: Deadline date: Friday, Sep 13 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) On September 14 2013 07:10 ShiaoPi wrote: Final Day 1 Votecount: + Show Spoiler + strongandbig(0): VayneAuthority(0): WaveofShadow(0): Grackaroni(0): kushm4sta(2): Pandain(0): Old Partner(4): Koshi(0): blubbdavid(5): VayneAuthority, Zealos(4): raynpelikoneet(0): blubbdavid has been lynched! | ||
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he was just VERY right d1 and it looks like a bus on OP kind of (also we know OP likes risky buses from previous games) | ||
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Hey PS/debears, you metasolved scumball, why is your scumbro grack slight town?? | ||
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On September 17 2013 08:41 kushm4sta wrote: @ps so why is grack colored green if he is one of the 3 questionable vote changes... | ||
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On September 17 2013 08:15 Papa_Smurf wrote: The thing is, you have to differentiate between all those votes Pandain, Grack, and SnB all had questionable voteswitches close to deadline. I think Pandian is the most likely scum switch based on the switch and the instant vote on OP the next day. VA, you, Koshi and Snow all had votes on a confirmed town to end out the day. Within those 7 votes is the last 2/3 scum, depending on the whether BH's role pm flavor is actually indicative of the number of scum. Based on play, Pandain is the most supspicious of the top 3. Grack is the least suspicious out of the top 3. Based on play, VA is the most suspicious of the bottom 4. If Pandain is scum, you are the least likely out of the bottom 4. Otherwise, I'd say Koshi is probably the least suspicious right now (despite yesterday's antics but I'll have to rethink this). so why is grack green...grack is one of the 3 MOST questionable votes..why is grack green | ||
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also his scumstrat was to push for my lynch. Except that was no longer possible d2 when my activity picked up. | ||
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On September 17 2013 10:45 strongandbig wrote: Kush, why do you think he's town? On September 16 2013 20:18 Zealos wrote: I've changed my mind again. If we don't kill OP today, we will look back at the end of the game and be like "How did we let a potential SK or Squm survive when at best they are a survivor" well theres that^ also inactivity doesn't equal scum. also i see nothing particularly scummy about him. He is not afraid to be open with his opinions and I find them genuine. | ||
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On September 17 2013 12:41 Papa_Smurf wrote: Guys, please remember The way BH was acting all day was in a given up attitude. He had no intention of actually trying to get out of getting lynched. It's very likely scum bussed him hard and immediately for some town cred. Keep that in mind thanks for the psa captain obvious | ||
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On September 17 2013 12:41 Papa_Smurf wrote: Guys, please remember The way BH was acting all day was in a given up attitude. He had no intention of actually trying to get out of getting lynched. It's very likely scum bussed him hard and immediately for some town cred. Keep that in mind even disregarding meta this quote is so scummy. He is trying to appear helpful, but he's not applying his obvious scumbussing 101 logic to trying to figure out who scum is. | ||
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On September 17 2013 15:13 VayneAuthority wrote: wow he was scum. ill have to look at that last minute vote switching day 1 in the morning, pretty suspicious. too tired atm the cliffs of that situation is the last minute voting, effectively saving OP, implicates snb, panda, and grack. IMO it implicates panda and grack more. (which effectively ties into my scumteam since n1 of debears grack panda) Here's why: As of the second to last votecount, OP was gonna get lynched. At that time, Panda was on me. Very improbable lynch which he was pushing very hard. Debears was also on me (nope scumtem you cant kill me d1 suck it). Grack was on OP, the SECOND vote on him. meaning it was an old vote (before the OP wagon started picking up momentum). Then suddenly OP had the majority votes out of no where. Panda moved to blubb, someone he had said very little about. He defended OP. Grack moves to Zealos, because scumteams never pile on the same town d1 (kind of odd that it's true but it is). All of this was in effort to save OP. SnB's move to zealos was much more townie, since he had been pushing him for a while. | ||
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More points against Panda! Prior to the OP wagon, Panda did not give a shit who got lynched, zealos or blubb or whomever. He was happy to sit his ass on me, (even tho none of the people who play with me wanted to lynch me), Suddenly when OP gets the majority he is like OMFG CAN'T LYNCH OP. Also where is Panda? Here is a theory. He gave up when I solved his scumteam. Yup he was all super try hard this game, asking people on some discussion thread to watch him and give him tips, and he along with his entire scumteam got pwned by the guy he was trying to plynch. And that made him really pissed so he gave up. | ||
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Also he ends up claiming vt, which is pretty terrible as town. Kochi I think two of those three changed their votes.it's very possible.losing scum d1 is very bad for scum. | ||
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Why is that true? The assumptions you are making are bad and wrong. Same is true for Rayne w with his vote analysis. | ||
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Debears was afk. Bh couldn't do anything because he claimed to be afk. Scum was in a bad position. They moved from two separate people to two separate people. | ||
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Notice how demoralized the whole scum team is now. Grack debears panda | ||
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Simply not true that gracks claim makes him town. Why woudn scum do that? They have that fake claim they can use. Why wouldnt scum change their timestamps?they are afraid theirs will reveal something. In fact who would think to change timestamps other than scum? Look at gracks play otherwise. It is scummy as fuck | ||
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Koshi what role says three scummers. I think 1 survivorq 4 scummers. Why was wos killed? Some weird ability like ##hide, which showed us this game has unconventional roles. | ||
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He did his retarded fake claim ala rayne then he fake claimed vt with his mod provided fake claim. | ||
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You cannot assume that means 3 scum. Why would sk kill wos... that makes as much sense as scum doing it. | ||
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My qualifications: I've been on a scumteam with vayne before quite recently. Vayne is the kind of player who looks scummier as town than scum. He is superficially scummier as town because he does not give much effort and is not cooperative with tryhard scumhunters. As scum, his posts are much more constructed and it looks like he is trying harder. Why is Vayne scum? I will try to counter any argument you present. | ||
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On September 17 2013 22:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats what do you make of Sno_man going silent when you asked him about proving that BH is a survivor? I mean his reasoning "the meeting is over now", when he has before that posted 6 times in an hour? Maybe he had to GO?? MAybe he was bored with the back and forth? I dont know but there are a million probable townie reasons. | ||
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Vayne is just like that!! He isn't reading close or giving a lot of effort atm. | ||
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Sn0 was curious aobut Oats claim, WHAT TOWN WOULDN"T BE?? you cant say hes scum for being curious. Especially since it possibly confirmed his belief that bh was a survivor | ||
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On September 17 2013 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: The immediate response for a townie would be: "Why the fuck would you claim a cop/rolecop and defend a survivor?" That's not what Sno did. Untrue. Untrue to the uber max. My response would have been the same as Sn0's in his shoes. If i was cop I would defend a survivor in TWO SECONDS because it's a dumb lynch if he's a survivor. | ||
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pandain grack debears ~~ Not giving a fuck is what townVayne does. It is common knowledge that he is LYNCHBAIT as town. People want to kill him every fucking game because his attitude is very superficially scummy. | ||
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scum might answer that way or they might stfu and not say anything or they might say zomg you are lying. There is a range of possible scum responses. There is also a range of possible town responses. THEY OVERLAP. Sn0's repsonse was standard town. Your argument is pure wifom. | ||
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On September 17 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: The point is not what Sno's answer was. The point is it took Sno 30 minutes to answer while before that he had been active in thread (he had 6 posts in last 30 minutes). When he answered, he said "the meeting is now over". There is only one town motivation: Sno had a meeting that started just when Oats asked the question. I am not buying it. A meeting?? OR he had to take a shit. or he was playing a video game, or he was DOING ANYTHING LOL. Your assumptions are WIFOM. | ||
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wut??? son... you better not be insulting oats PRO AS FUCK scumhunting skillz. yup that's right he is so good he goes on feel alone. reasons are for pussies. He just reads about 1/3 of the thread, thinks about it for 5 seconds, then FEELS who the scums are. amazing. apparently im scum now, right oats? | ||
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@sn0 vayne isn't scum. this is his normal lynchbait towngame. As scum he would be way more try hard and his posts would be more constructed. debers is scum. Even if you want to discount the meta, (which he never did even tho he claims to) he has done a lot of scummy shit this game. When he did nk analysis he came to the conclusion that grack was slight green and panda was red. Classic scum tactic, call one scumbuddy a town read and the other a scumread. Grack was one of the 3 questionable vote changes, yet debears colored him green hmm. I asked why and he couldn't explain. Along with his vote on me d1. He left it on me d1 (despite everyone who plays with me a lot saying i wasn't scum), and peaced out, freeing himself of accountability for whomever was lynched. | ||
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and koshi feels dumb because there is no sk and i go to the obs qt and everyone is like omg kush is the best he totally solved the game | ||
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U know hOw I feel about that fake claim | ||
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On September 18 2013 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't make him town, other stuff does. I think all the people who were on BH D1 are town because of the clusterfuck last minute. grack moved off bh when op wagon got majority thouhg... | ||
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grack is confirmed town??? no just no. scummy as fuck that im your biggest scumread. Especially since you know my scumgame quite well. You were on a scumteam with me as your first game. Remember that? flawless victory. good times. now we are on separate teams though so you must die. | ||
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On September 18 2013 10:21 Grackaroni wrote: Also I think I have a decent guess at who the SK is but it's just not worth pursuing at this time. why not? who is sk | ||
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kush - I think he's scum. His scumteam call n2 was me/grack/panda. I think grack and panda are town. A scumteam on three of the most active players (one of whom is confirmed town to me and the other two likely town)? Not to mention he hasn't given reasoning on grack and panda, and he keeps claiming I never refuted his case. Kush voted blubb d1. He tried to start a wagon on me over BH day 2. /QUOTE] Well your case on me is terrible debears. I bought you into this mafia world and I can take you out as well. 1 my supposed scumteam is on the three most active players -debears grack panda -not the three most active players at all 2 no reasoning on grack and panda -yes i have -its spread across my filter like shit that has just hit a fan 3 I keep claiming you never refuted my case. -you haven't to my satisfaction. You just kept calling me lazy and shit for not making it more comprehensive. 4 i voted blubb d1 yup i had no idea who scum was at that point lol 5 i tried to start a wagon on you over BH eh not really. I wanted to lynch you but I did not give much fight at all against lynching bh. I was fine with it. smd scum/sk whichever you are. s it long s it hard | ||
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you are straight up full on retarded | ||
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On September 18 2013 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why the fuck would you buss? There is a chance town buys the claim and does not lynch BH D2? If you take hard chances like that and buss you are gonna have a hard time not justifying any other vote than a vote on BH on D2. Grackaroni was the first who said "BH is scum or anti-town, that's it" after me. grack was not shitting on his claim tho. just saying "you got some explaining to do cause you said you weren't gonna be there" ie obvious shit GRACK was not commenting on the validity of his claim at all. | ||
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your arguments are just bad and not how you play this game. your argument: they are a good scumteam so they would not have let that cluster fuck happen is a terrible argument and wrong. full of wifom. what interaction between grack/bh leads you to believe that grack is town? | ||
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i have a shit ton of reasons why i think grack and panda are scum. read my filter you will find them. just been too lazy to compile them into a case. | ||
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On September 18 2013 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also kushmasta, tell me this: If Grackaroni is scum with BH and Pandain, why did Grackaroni fakeclaim veteran to draw votes off debears (non-scum) onto BH (his scumbuddy)? huh... it wasn't necessary to draw votes off debears. BH lynch was gonna happen, and scum probably accepted from the start of the night. by the time grack fake claimed, the BH lynch had been set in stone for a while. Honestly I need to go back and reread that interaction between grack and bh before I can comment on it, but I still think it's an obvious bus spot. As for your good scumteam theory, I do not think that holds any weight at all. they did not expect an op wagon so it caught them off guard. You cannot assume that just because you think these players are good, they would have definitely handled d1 well. Plus the whole premise that grack/panda/bh scumteam is good, IS FALSE. BH is terrible as both town and scum. Especially scum. Last game I played with him he gave away the entire scumteam after his death. Pandain is a veternish player but he was never very well respected. This game marks an attempt for him to play better. In the mafia general forum he asked someone to watch his game and give him tips. And Grack is total newbie. | ||
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1 a case on grack 2 a case on panda 3 a case on debears (plus an expansion of my metaread including newer games) 4 defense of vayne/zealos/anyone else people want to lynch I will get to this later, but which would you like first rayne? | ||
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My meta is known for busing. Let me tell you why this is. I find it impossible to make arguments against people I know are townies. That is why I need to bus, because since they are really scum I don't have to make anything up. So a game like this, where I write extensive cases against people, I'm either busing or town. | ||
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End of day 1 was a complete cluster Fuck and no one knew who had a majority at the end of the day. This is evidenced by bh trying to save himself even though he didn't have to. | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:21 Grackaroni wrote: Also I think this post basically implies that I am town. He's saying, no I can't be scum because Grack is town and when I'm scum I like to bus. Huh.. | ||
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He changed the time stamp. Scum more likely to think of that. Also he had a mod supplied fake claim he wanted townie mileage from | ||
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Also sno is right about zealos. Making sno town because scum would never defend such an easy mis lynch | ||
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On September 19 2013 07:34 Pandain wrote: And Kush, are you going to vote or wait until you know what will work best for you. im waiting to see which anti town people are willing to kill | ||
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Like previously i thought debears was scum but now I think he may be mafia | ||
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On September 19 2013 08:13 Papa_Smurf wrote: Btw just to let people know. The reason why Umasi and I and Pandain are voting with each other is from the mason talks. Umasi and I both think Pandain is town based on mason chats and overall play. Why would you need to give an excuse for all being on the same wagon as town?? This is REALLY scummy. | ||
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On September 19 2013 08:27 Umasi wrote: People who won't lynch zealos, why is he town? well we know he's not scum. i think he could easily be low effort town. | ||
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[QUOTE]On September 19 2013 08:13 Papa_Smurf wrote: Btw just to let people know. The reason why Umasi and I and Pandain are voting with each other is from the mason talks. Umasi and I both think Pandain is town based on mason chats and overall play.[/QUOTE] people dont pass over this..if debears were town, why would he be making excuses for being on the same wagon as certain people | ||
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i also didn't care really about who was lynched d1. that happens when you arne't that invested in the game and you have no idea wh oscum is. | ||
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Which means someone from grack/debears/pandain is town. hmm But im like totally sure the last three anti town elements are between zealos, pandain, debears, grack. btw. what kind of fucked up imbalanced mafia game is this if town loses after 2 mislynches..... | ||
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That is because there can't be associations cases and in terms of scumhunting they are in the same position as town. A difference, which either pandain or debears already pointed out, is that they dont care if townies get lynched. Zealos fits this bill definitely. Still not feeling great about the lynch. I would rather really prove someone scum enough to convince everyone, then lynch that person. | ||
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Think about it from a scum perspective. They know bh is gonna flip red. So d2, scums objective was probably to distance themselves from BH in any way possible. | ||
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On September 19 2013 22:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn is 100% scum, now Im confident. Kush, agree? no why | ||
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2. kushm4sta 3. VayneAuthority 7. Onegu replaced D1 by Oatsmaster 9. raynpelikoneet 10. Grackaroni 12. Papa_Smurf 13. goodkarma replaced D1 by Umasi 14. Sn0_Man 15. Zealos this is all i know | ||
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yay zealos is getting modkilled. | ||
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not a ton of confidence in my reads thouhg. Anyone wanna try to convince me that either of these guys is town? | ||
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On September 20 2013 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Apparently Pandain's case on kush is "he asked GM's about if scum got fakeclaims" and that makes him scum.. ya you are right that case is ridiculous, especially since it makes perfect sense for me to ask that imo. in past games i have tried to use flavor for towns advantage and i thoguht that might be an option here (if there were no fake claims) | ||
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#2 your breadcrumbs are exactly the same type as OP's (capitalization of a letter) | ||
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the fake claim is not written like the other roles. parts of it, like protecting the weyward are taken from the fake claim provided, but other parts are written by debears and the language is not as elevated You are Isaac, the protagonist of Golden Sun: The Broken Seal. Leading the party to reclaim the stolen Elemental Stars and to rescue the kidnapped Kraden and Jenna you have travelled far and long across the reaches of Weyard. Having witnessed so many differnt people and things on your adventure, you have become rather good at comparing people to discern whether or not they are helpful in your quest. Every night you are able to investigate a player by PM'ing the hosts: ##Investigate: Playername.. You must submit an investigation night one. Your first result however will come with the result of your second check. The results will return either "same alignment" or "different alignment". You cannot check yourself. You win with the Protectors of Weyard, when all threats to Weyard have been eliminated. Different is spelled wrong lol!! lynch debears | ||
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THE CLAIM IS terribad. bh did the same thing... also with breadcrumbs.. you cant trust the breadcrumbs. the fake claim is not written like the other roles. parts of it, like protecting the weyward are taken from the fake claim provided, but other parts are written by debears and the language is not as elevated You are Isaac, the protagonist of Golden Sun: The Broken Seal. Leading the party to reclaim the stolen Elemental Stars and to rescue the kidnapped Kraden and Jenna you have travelled far and long across the reaches of Weyard. Having witnessed so many differnt people and things on your adventure, you have become rather good at comparing people to discern whether or not they are helpful in your quest. Every night you are able to investigate a player by PM'ing the hosts: ##Investigate: Playername.. You must submit an investigation night one. Your first result however will come with the result of your second check. The results will return either "same alignment" or "different alignment". You cannot check yourself. You win with the Protectors of Weyard, when all threats to Weyard have been eliminated. Different is spelled wrong lol!! lynch debears | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: wtf are you talking about kush? Why would debears not ask for a fakeclaim and instead write one of his own? roflll-- he was given a fake claim but it wasn't parity cop | ||
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becUSE HE KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. it was planned.. ps/panda scumteam. not sure who sk is. | ||
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so can you move to debears or somethinv vayne | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:35 Pandain wrote: Kush what's your role? Give role now and pm. im vt | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:56 Pandain wrote: Do you think it's likely that PS fake claimed cop(risk being counter claimed) and also claimed the Main Character (definitely in the game, so risk being counter claimed) yes i do think that. isaac was prob a fake claim | ||
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