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Now scumteam is certain to shoot DP N1 just to frame Ol'Partner I think. | ||
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On September 11 2013 06:16 Koshi wrote: Mr not-so-evil Snowman! Hallo.  On September 11 2013 06:17 strongandbig wrote: i never really got why people post in the ten commandments thread with their smurfs. its not like tl admins dont know its a smurf. strongandnosy lol | ||
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PS yes I'm going to be sour about last game for the foreseeable future PPS Hows grack a real lynch candidate today? That guy is posting, generating discussion and not-retarded as far as I can tell. He's rapidly approaching dead last on my lynch-today list. | ||
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His other options being bad or heavily anti-town. Either way I'm hoping he can come up with something better than pre-flip association accusations based on his assumption that *kush* is scum. Otherwise I'm having a hard time keeping who is who straight since there are all these dumb names like OP and PS and Grak and w/e. | ||
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Okay that doesn't sound so hot but what I mean is that he sounds pretty sure of who he htinks is scum and none of them look remotely scummy right now... On September 12 2013 21:31 blubbdavid wrote: Atm I have three scumreads: Koshi, Grack and Kush If you have a scumread on Kush day 1 you are either new (hes not apparently), bad, or scum. Then he's associating shit onto grack and trying to lynch Koshi for being Koshi. These people could be scum but randomly having scumreads on all 3 right now is... pretty questionable. Also grack don't say "I've never been this pro-town before". I'll lynch you for lines like that I think. | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the same thing i feel about Axlegreaser... ??? Explain | ||
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He should be pretty readable based on his posts. I don't think he's contributing as much as he is trying to show, but thats fine because there's no way he can keep up this shit for 3 days and not prove himself scum or town the way I see it. So we don't lynch him today, and by the end of tomorrow it should be decently clear what his alignment is. Pandain looked pretty bad considering he's supposed to be a vet or something but I'm waiting on more from that front too. He's a scum candidate right now. | ||
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Also, I'd like to reiterate. PLEASE NO GIFS. Images are bad enough thx. | ||
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lame, I thought I was gonna be the hero by calling blubbdavid, pandain and papa_smurf scum (in order of certainty, last is *starsenses*). Oh well at least BD is around lets hear what he has to say. | ||
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Meanwhile I'd like to remind the vig that he is shooting onegu tonight. | ||
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##Vote: blubbdavid | ||
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Also Onegu really wont. He's useless as town and sneaky as scum. Great vig target. I already named 3 scum chill out. I'm waiting for people to actually post. You don't count. I'm surprised you haven't fake-claimed yet though. | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:46 blubbdavid wrote: Koshi's push against SnB then was even less justified then my read on Koshi. So you are admitting that your VOTE on koshi wasn't justified at all? Yep, this guy is scum. PS NMM5 is a long-ass time ago lol | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Onegu is not bad/useless as town. False On September 13 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: your emotions from last game are blinding your judgement. True | ||
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On September 13 2013 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sno why do you think debears is scum? *STARSENSES* On September 12 2013 12:12 Papa_Smurf wrote: I'm going to win the worst mafia play of the year award now  also scumslip or something On September 12 2013 15:59 Papa_Smurf wrote: Eh a closer look at that post has some out of place things READ THIS WHOLE QUOTE CHAIN PLEASE. He's excusing pandain pretty hard then a soft-backoff Basically, its mega weak association garbage that I threw together to make a scumteam that then failed because there are 4 not 3 scum. He's not on my lynch list today, but he's scummier than null. BD and to a lesser extend panda tho... | ||
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 Lets lynch blubbdavid tho. Hes scum. | ||
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If he doesn't start playing like persona 4 then we just lynch him ezpz. Give him time to get rolling tho. Considering how valuable to town he was in P4 I'm in no hurry to get him. Thats like a large part of my thoughts on blubbdavid. Who wants to lynch Kush/Koshi D1? scum do lol. Okay I wanted to lynch Koshi D1 but he fucked up a Self-Aware miller claim day 1. Where'd kush go anyways? | ||
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Its like marv, you don't lynch him day 1 but if he keeps being useless you nail him eventually since its obvious when he isn't catching scum. Not quite the same but a similar idea. | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:04 Papa_Smurf wrote: Final thing This is a pure policy on raynp If rayne EVER in game says he fake claims, we are lynching him on the spot. No questions asked. He heavily messed up the last game for town by his fakeclaim shenanigans (fakeclaiming 3 times apparently since the host said he never got shot). MAKE SURE WE LYNCH RAYNP IF HE EVER FAKECLAIMS I can't tell if this is town trying to keep rayn in check or scum trying to get a free policy lynch. | ||
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Although rayns reads this game are even worse than most of his other games (apparently thats even possible) so there is that. | ||
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Still think its blubbers the scummer. | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote: Did marv tell you not to tunnel a townie Day 1? This was a serious question rayn. Lynching you doesn't seem as unreasonable as I had thought. I'm wondering where your famous day-1 tunnel has gone? its almost halfway through day 1 already. | ||
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oops. Basically I'm saying that you reflexively defended Panda then backed off once you actually read his post, which looks pretty weak. Thats from memory what I said in the post that never showed up. Also the first sentence was terrible english so it was a bit hard to know for sure what you were asking | ||
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PS dibbers is actually making sense my scumteam is wrong T_T | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: So what, i need to tunnel a townie to not get lynched on D1? Is that what you are saying? I don't see where you are heading with this so could you please clarify? I've never played with you where you weren't certain you'd nailed scum day 1. It doesn't feel like you, so I'm wondering if this is some sort of "new you" based on chats with marv or if this is some sort of scum afraid of looking bad so avoiding any kind of ridiculous tunnel. Alternately scum you unable to enter the "X MUST BE SCUM" mindset that you use when you are town. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also nobody has explained why Pandain's post is wrong in any way. Someone who's calling it bad/wrong explain. When are scum wrong? Not very often TBH. We are calling it scummy since its weak contribution, looks really framed (tryhard thread entry is scummy) and the fact that he instantly recanted and peaced is very very weak. | ||
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Anybody see anything remotely townie in there? | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:36 VayneAuthority wrote: you only need to look back to persona to see yamato, crazo, etc trying to get me lynched for my bad posting early. its VERY common Townies too (me). | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:38 VayneAuthority wrote: if by scummers you mean town then well it should be obvious. Im pushing for a correct lynch here. There are good cases and concerns being drowned out by these panda/kush pushes and I dont like either of them. We agree that kush is a terrible push. Panda seems like scum based on his posts (have you read them yet? its all scum motivated). Whats your "good cases and concerns"? like you want us to lynch Koshi? get real. PS you aren't calling me scum yet what happened? I think you rolled scum and ur balls disappeared. | ||
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"my content which is kick-ass for the most part" o.o I mean, I feel somewhat cruel but... o.o Also Vayne you are doing some really weird flip flopping on blubbers and your case on grack seems terrible. Based on P4 i expect you to be more useless and more OMGUS and less wrong. | ||
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blubbers looks awful but a) everybody who I think is scum wants to lynch him and b) maybe lynchbait? Well, upon reread he looks really really bad. Ugh. | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:01 blubbdavid wrote: Sn0, you are ignoring me, both as a person and as a potential wagon (or did the wagon fail), but when you are asked, then no doubt I must be scum. Could you please justify your suspicions. And could you please say WHY Panda's post is scum motivated, instead of saying that it is scummy. All you were doing all game long were accusations without backup. I don't have a read on Panda atm. I literally listed 4 reasons in one post, and you quoted that post. Every last one of those things are moderate scumtells. I'm ignoring you because it was virtually a given you are scum and you aren't saying anything intelligent. I re-read you and you still have no hope of ever being an asset to town but I'm willing to go with "you might not be scum" but only because everybody else who could be scum so far want to lynch you (lol). I already talked about why you are scum or at least anti town. If you wish to scumhunt that might improve your chances. | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:06 Papa_Smurf wrote: I like Pandain in the membranes responses in the second post. He is cleared for now How can you possibly say that? If nothing else PLEASE expound because everything he has said has screamed scum to me. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:39 blubbdavid wrote: I do not know why you don't like that his reasonings against me is "gut", I mean you think that I am scum through gut feeling, but at the same time call the cattle black. Your reasonings aren't any better. This is where you quoted my 4 simple reasons for pandain being scum. | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:26 blubbdavid wrote: Oh, I thought 4 reasons about me. Welp my fault. Still you do not have reasons against me. Yes I do. You have hard-defended pandain for no reason. You have called multiple of teh towniest people in the thread scummy using extremely flawed reasoning without ever backing it up, and are in general screwing with town. Like, you voted Koshi for NO REASON it was awful. However, I'm being forced to work on the assumption that you can't read or reason rather than the assumption that you are scum, mostly because of how other people in the thread are interacting. | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Stop the argument already Sno and blubb, look at my post on OP and comment on it plz. You are dumb but you've started to develop your town tunnel after I reminded you its a crucial part of your meta. Thats my comment. | ||
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You need to provide reasons so that people can see your reasoning and tell if you are coming from a scum-pov or a town-pov. That and you need reasons so that you prove your case to town. | ||
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1) Pandain is blue hunting. This is 100% unarguably SCUM MOTIVATED. 2) Pandain wants to lynch kush. His reason? we can't hit scum. YEAH RIGHT. SCUM MOTIVATED. 3) Pandain sees pressuring himself as townie. THATS IMPLIED GUILT. SCUMMY. 4) this one is dumber but pandain literally claims "nobody has reasons for lynching blubbers just gut" after everybody explained why blubbers was looking like scum. This one could be explained as Pandain merely lacking a brain but I was going with scum. This is entirely apart from his awful thread entry and other crap like "I'm the towniest guy in the thread" like what bollocks. | ||
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Okay that devolved into another blubbers is scummy rant. | ||
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In other news, i'm not talking to rayn again. He's literally the dumbest person on earth. Whys "moronic as fuck" a town tell on this guy? | ||
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The 4 I mentioned yes. Zealous is essentially a blue claim why lynch him. Hows lynching Onegu tell us anything? Hows lynching Kush tell us anything? People who want to lynch this guy especially are just looking for an easy safe lynch, they don't want to catch scum. Unless somebody wishes to argue that he is scum? because literally not 1 person in the thread has suggested that he is scum, despite a bunch of retards wanting to lynch him. Hows lynching Koshi achieve anything? Actually I'm probably giving this guy too much of a free pass but he's felt townie so far. You and Grack are posting intelligent things. So is SnB. Plus I like the shit he said about rayn although the last person to join me in flaming rayn was marv and he was scum. Still, no desire to lynch snb. I could see lynching OP if he doesn't say anything, but I got the impression he would be a contributor. If nothing else he's got 24hrs. Who am I missing? I probably don't want to lynch them either. | ||
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Hows goodkarma a good lynch today Koshi? I re-read him and he's actually not that bad though afk for a while (you can't lynch based off of that). Sure he's socrates and not doing much else but I didnt' mind his posting. | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:21 Papa_Smurf wrote: 4) @Sn0 - If you look at my post that questioned Panduins, and then Panduins second post, you will see that alot of the questions I had were fully answered by Panduins explanation of his thought process. It's logical and it checks out. I read those interactions and thats not the vibe I got. However, I'm willing to lynch blubbers instead. I fail to see how lynching a super-low-contribution person helps us find scum. All that happens is that scum can angle the lynch towards the low-contribution player of their choice and we lynch a townie without actually gaining much info. Lynching a present, somewhat controversial player who looks scummy not only is more informative come flip, but also has a higher chance of hitting scum IMO because they have been around to say shit that incriminates them. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:33 WaveofShadow wrote: I forgot about Sn0. Shit I don't think i have time to do an in-depth read but he is all over the place as I skim through his filter. No in-depth analysis, pushing random-ass targets, trolly.... Thoughts, gentlemen? I recommend reading, its a good habit. I'll give you I'm somewhat inflammatory this game but I have reasons. My targets are distinctly not random tho and I'd appreciate it if u didn't slander me like that for no reason. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:47 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think blubb is scum. Well theres an easy way to find out In other news, I'll admit that Old Partner is a surprisingly decent option although I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt based on his obviously different "customs". | ||
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I agree that the OP wagon looks like the wagon of injustice, only who the fuck is it saving if its scum driving it? That gives me some pause. Still think blubbers is the lynch. | ||
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On September 14 2013 06:14 Zealos wrote: You just seem mad at him for making a case against you. You have that backwards lol Rayn got mad at SnB for calling him scum. | ||
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Also I didn't see any particularly out-of-place capital S in that post but it was about 2000 words so I may just not have seen it. | ||
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lynch with fire. | ||
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@BH your cop claim wasn't a complete failure. It granted me much mirth. Also sorry for afk. Happens every weekend or something. No deadlines missed! | ||
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Meanwhile, Old Partner (lol). | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote: sn0 man, can you name 3 scum and why please No. I can give you like 2 townreads though (grack/dibbers). Errybody else is some varying degree of scummy/null. Obvious first lynch is OP despite his play actually making me see survivor there. Past that... Iunno I have to read filters not just the thread I think, but I wanna see how OP flips before doing that. Reading 45 pages of thread today was pretty boring TBH. | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:39 Oatsmaster wrote: sn0, you have been in game since the start, and you have 2 townreads that mirror thread sentiment. Good show. I know right? I told you, I just read 45 pages of game. It was gross. Everybody looked scummy or something. FWIW SnB pretty towns too. | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:45 Old Partner wrote: you know if I was really the SK I'd just claim vigi so you baddies wouldn't lynch me. i'd 100% have a vigi crumb ready. I wouldn't claim survivor at all. you're really don't get it do you I, for one, am reasonably willing to believe you are a survivor. You are getting lynched though. Host would literally have to confirm you in-thread before I unvote you. | ||
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On September 05 2013 06:23 Hapahauli wrote: Sn0, who do you think is scum? I've seen you agree/criticize various posts and come up with a bunch of inconclusive statements in your last-reads post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387¤tpage=98#1944 ... but really nothing conclusive from you. On September 05 2013 06:28 Sn0_Man wrote: Correct. I've read the thread and I'm pretty stumped. The person I'm most sure about being scum is probably marv, but I have the least real reasons for that. It's part gut and part the fact that I feel like the thread ought to make more sense than it does and I'm laying that at his feet. I thought Slam/Tofu/Oats were all scum and I came up dry 3 times :/ Oh hey, look what happened last game. Mafia always sucks right around here because I can never establish who is maf. It gets easier once more flips although I'll admit I got it wrong last game. Like, I always end up with a handful of nice solid townreads and the rest of the thread are all fucking scum (even when a lot arent due to numbers). I could tell you why I'd be willing to lynch 6 or 7 different players but that's all been out in the thread already, although not by me. Like, I think Zealos is scum this game but I bet that guy flips town just like blubbers did The problem with maf is that I never get to play maf | ||
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Also WoS could totally have forgotten to hide iunno. I agree though scum tossing KP at him doesn't make too much sense to me. | ||
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On September 17 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you realize this (what you just said) yourself what makes you not use this as a defence if you are mafia? I thought you went and read my maf game lol. Thats where I know whats up so I feel secure making cases and shit. Anyway, IDGAF. Theres 28hrs until I can even vote meaningfully so I'm in no hurry to convince you of anything. You're the one who hammered me last game despite admitting I was "townie as fuck" and obviously couldn't be scum lol. On September 17 2013 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I meant you could have played pro-town, hid on right night phases and nail scum and therefore have it all (win the game). :D Have you seen our town? I think if I were survivor I'd be trying dam hard to win with scum this game. | ||
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On September 17 2013 03:17 Oatsmaster wrote: useless post. whos scum today that isnt OP?> 7 people dumbass. Also, no the post wasn't useless. Its important to note that there is no reason scum can't have a varying amount of factional or personal KP in this game since we DONT KNOW. Too many people assuming scum get 1 NK. | ||
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On September 15 2013 02:38 Zealos wrote: Stop speaking in absolutes. It makes you look very scummy. On September 15 2013 02:39 Zealos wrote: Woops, meant to put that in the QT :/ Like, it LOOOOOKS like a scumslip, but the first post is kinda fine so you'd have to be dropped as a child to post the 2nd one like this. However, that applies no matter what alignment Zealos actually is. | ||
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If we assume it's because Koshi/Zealos are masoned then that is worth discussion anyway... Either way, At least let me know why you think I'm scum so that I can inform you of your incorrectness Oats. I was under the impression that arguments and reasons were important factors in calling somebody scum. | ||
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Hey dumbass its absolutely retarded not to lynch OP. He agrees. Just because you think somebody is 3rd party doesn't mean you don't LYNCH THE FUCK out of them because they need to be gone. You can't have a question mark around like that at LYLO. Hell, probably half the townies voting whatsisface think he's probably survivor. That doesn't matter one bit. Especially since if he is survivor theres no way he gets NK'd or vigged. The only way we resolve the question of WTF is going on is by lynching him. My belief regarding the answer is irrelevant. Beyond that he obviously doesn't want to help town lynch scum he just wants to save his own ass hows that helping town win? Having him around is simply not worth the doubt. Besides who do you wanna lynch? Debears? Please. Lynching that guy is retarded today. | ||
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On September 17 2013 04:43 Old Partner wrote: fwiw if i was scum i'd probably make a more legit attempt to appear townish since i'd have a way of winning after I flipped. No you wouldn't what does appearing townie do for you if you flip scum? You might try to spread more dissent in the thread etc, but otherwise... nah appearing townie doesn't seem like the way for a scummer to get out of this lynch either. | ||
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On September 17 2013 04:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Then why did you say We could lynch scum today. Not that its gonna happen in 2 hours. ? Both my statements agreed with eachother. Regardless of alignment OP needs to be lynched. Unless he has host proof of survivorness. In which case I just laid out some reasons to lynch him anyway but I think that going for scum might be more valuable in that case. Its hard to tell, since that case is 100% hypothetical. I for one am not sure who else we'd lynch today but I'm also not so sold on it being scum. I mean, dibbers doesn't look like scum at all, and you voted *pandain* for reasons unknown to man. | ||
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I don't think I'd believe you Oats since I've been immunized with too many fake-claims recently. Plus, reasonably if you were a rolecop and you copped OP its not worth revealing your role to save a 3p survivor (IMO) unless you have a certain scum lynch instead (which I don't see). Which makes it more likely that you would be fake-claiming. Etc. Oats re "scumslip": I mentioned that Zealos would have to have been "dropped as a child" to post that as scum. | ||
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Who knows what the hell he's doing. Sure he came back with "well my name is isaac IRL" but still. Its messed up. BEYOND THAT I want to lynch him for not contributing to town *at all*. Thats the only real reason tbh. | ||
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Regardless, There's just no way switching can be right. SOWWY BH ur amazing. The desire is really strong tho. | ||
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But no. It simply can't be right. Especially since there's a real chance you are scum. I suppose it shouldn't matter what order we lynch in (zealos -> you or you -> zealos) but the certainty factor is much higher here. | ||
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Zealos is scum. Read that filter (LOL) no way hes town. Lynch him first THEN Blazinghand. Watching BH squirm is amazing. (i voted in other thred for zellos) | ||
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A) is town B) gets mislynched today Then somehow the scummers are gonna pin this one on me ITS BH AND UMASI'S FAULT I THINK not changing votes tho :D | ||
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His own filter He's not trying to figure anything out or catch any scum whatsoever. His goal is to fit in, to toss in occasional useless comments and in general kinda slide by. Its textbook scum. | ||
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Still wanna lynch zealos though I think. Still too lazy to properly read the D1 votes again. When it comes time to consider those things I will, for now I'm waiting for night action resolution to understand more about this game. How are we debating i dont even remember what happened yesterday afternoon. Rayn you are literally the only person on the planet deluded enough to think that not answering somebody's question half a second after they post it makes you scum. If you want I can go play-by-play that shit but what a waste of time. Oats blabbed some shit that wasn't even as interesting as your standard fakeclaims iunno why I'm supposed to just swallow it hook, line and sinker. | ||
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I still feel like I'm missing a lot of info that is necessary to solve this game so I wanna see night results. | ||
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On September 18 2013 02:09 kushm4sta wrote: basically i already solved the game and no one is listening to me because they are dumb Way ahead of you buddy On September 13 2013 04:59 Sn0_Man wrote: Lets lynch vayn/rayn/pandain + 1 (the rhyming team!). Probably in reverse order (+1!) blubbers looks awful but a) everybody who I think is scum wants to lynch him and b) maybe lynchbait? Well, upon reread he looks really really bad. Ugh. Actually I'm less sure now since I really really wanna lynch zealos (have you seen his filter? LMAO). As I've said, I'm waiting on Night results before I try to "solve" the game. But I'm listening to you I promise. | ||
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Vayne for SK if there is one. Unsure of that tho. | ||
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It might be nice to hear your thoughts on him though. Hopefully you don't die in an hour... | ||
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Right now we are at 7-1-2 If we hit scum the SK just hits another town and we go to 5-1-1 which is actually kinda MYLO since a mislynch goes to 2-1-1 town lose right? So hitting scum takes us to MYLO Hitting SK takes us to 6-0-2 which is NOT MYLO since another mislynch is 4-2. TLDR: if we lynch scum then SK shoots town and we go to MYLO. BAD. Basically hitting the SK is like halfing scum KP since the SK is far more likely to be shooting town than scum right now. PS: Dibbers for SK is now the way I'm reading this game. More rereads required. | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:27 Oatsmaster wrote: We dont even know who the sk is. Well, SK hunt then. I'm saying that should be at least as high priority as finding scum. Admittedly finding scum is probably easier since there are 2 of them not 1 and since they have some association with BH we'd assume. Still, I'd rather lynch the SK by quite a bit. | ||
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I do like how pandain is going after the 3 easiest targets in the thread though. Note how Kush was the preferred mislynch of BH since day1 and most of his reads lined up with Koshi's (who was killed last night). Kush is also confirmed town. Vayne looks bad but he can't be SK and his play looked like SK more than scum to me. Try again panda. | ||
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On September 19 2013 00:35 Sn0_Man wrote: ##Vote: Pandain Also grack your vote was actually the grossest thing in history but pandain is scummier. | ||
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SHRUG. Not certain enough about him being SK | ||
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Stop saying "this looks like his scum game" because he aint scum. | ||
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If it did somehow do that, please enlighten me so that we can lynch him. | ||
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I just about flamed you but then I didn't wanna get modkilled. Its fairly clear that at least 1 scum was AFK @deadline | ||
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On September 19 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not really sure i understand you. Why is that not possible? Because Grack and Pandain could have just decided on either zealos or blubb and forced the lynch through without OP revealing himself by voting zealos. Only one of the people who were around at lynch can reasonably be scum (apart from OP) because if both were around there is no situation where OP has to reveal himself. On September 19 2013 01:22 VayneAuthority wrote: as an aside, I think everyone has posted by now so town doesn't have a roleblocker unless they just don't wanna out themselves, but that would be fucking dumb right now when we're so close to solving this. this means roleblocker in this game is scum and they wanted to see if I was SK. anyone remember who was saying I was SK? I was saying it | ||
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ANYTHING is better than forcing OP to come back and claim. | ||
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And I want to lynch pandain But grack aint his scumbuddy. | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:21 Papa_Smurf wrote: I do agree with this point. Zealos has neither confirmed or denied thats his real name or if he's claiming. I think people are jumping to conclusions. Let's wait to hear from Zealos more before we all start saying he claimed. A few notes: 1) I do agree SnB's fall off in terms of posting is a little alarming. I'm not worried about it right now. As of now, kush, blubb, WoS, zealos, onegu and any other lurker should be our main concernin that order. That's 5 lurkers alone rght there. That's 1/3 of the game. We can't really expect to win with that many if they are town (and I don't think they are). 2) @Raynp - if you want people to answer your posts, stop making so many. I don't even read half your posts (espeiclaly in our last 2 games) because your posting is all over the place Also, get rid of your hard on for OP. He has contributed more than 1/3 of the players, and nothing jumps out as super scummy. Focus on people that should actually be lynched 3) WoS - Still mia. He's not gonna be here for two days. Why is he not posting when he knows he won't be here for two days. This is unacceptable if he is town 4) @Sn0 - If you look at my post that questioned Panduins, and then Panduins second post, you will see that alot of the questions I had were fully answered by Panduins explanation of his thought process. It's logical and it checks out. This post looks veeeeery interesting in light of current events. Admittedly its not fair to snipe stuff like this but every one of his "lets look into" players are not scum. Admittedly some potential 3rd party but how would he know? | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:03 Grackaroni wrote: Scum cannot be afk for deadlines? I didn't know this was a rule. This. Rayn is convinced that the shenannies that happened were by scum but that simply isn't true. If all the scum were around the shenannies wouldn't involve OP since his buddies could fix everything. I'm willing to believe pandain was scum (or maybe u grack but dubious) but not both. No chance. Scumbuddy actually looks like dibbers/vayne. Grack/Vayne scumteam isn't impossible, and fits with the vet-claim then RB wifom but I'm not very convinced of that. And realistically thats almost the only way vayne is scum | ||
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But its not like him doing that makes it less likely that they are scumbuddies. Looks to me like pandain was simply jumping off what he knew was teh wagon of injsutice since he knew OP was safe. | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have not implied i think he is strongly town for me. I think he is SK to be honest. But i do not think he is scum. Didn't I prove we should be lynching SK today? | ||
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Alternatively, we are at 7-1-2 Lynch Scum, 2NKs on town: 5-1-1 MYLO since a mislynch leads to 2-1-1 town can't win Lynch SK, Only 1 NK on town: 6-0-2 not mylo since a mislynch leads to 4-0-2. Objectively better for town to lynch SK over scum. Also was hoping that scum might know who the SK is so we can lynch SK happily in harmony. | ||
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@Oats how the hell would I know. I've only played with 1 SK before and town got raped because of it (also bastard setup imo but thats neither here nor there). Actually, as far as I'm concerned SKs are practically universally bastard but w/e. | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote: I think you misunderstand my question. How do you know we arent lynching bad town as opposed to SK? Like, nobody plays SK the same, so its not like you can use meta or normal scumtells and shit. So how do you find this SK? Thats why i don't want to lynch zealos. I just said, I don't know how to isolate the SK. I was hoping others did. Since he is the best lynch. | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:18 Zealos wrote: I think OP/BH needs to die. Survivor = lynch I doubt he even is Survivor. His attempt to argue his way out of it is crummy, at best. Get it? ##Predayvote:OP vigipls Before WoS flips which is what crucifies OP. | ||
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On September 19 2013 03:13 Papa_Smurf wrote: actually screw it take kush out of my lynch candidates Why? what changed in the minute between your posts? PS we just went over why zealos cannot be scumbuddies with OP. Why do you want to lynch him? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On September 14 2013 05:19 Pandain wrote: I am going to sing a song now. *why are people retarded* *it is clear OP isn't mafia, there's no active resistance to his lynch* *It's going so well* *he also isn't spamming and will contribute* *also why do people vote him and then say peace out without any analysis* *why are people retarded* On September 14 2013 06:27 Pandain wrote: Hi everyone, clear your heads for a moment. Old Person is clearly not mafia. There is no strong push against him except really by me, joined by Papa_Smurf. Rayn has also attempted to get SnB lynched. Blub was a lynch no one actively pushed but rather occurred over time. Umasi, Grack, and Wave gave random votes. Grack never explained, and Wave and Umasi's filters go against what they said before. Umasi said OP was cool with him(and OP didn't post after Umasi). Wave never even really mentioned OP. THESE VOTES DONT MAKE SENSE AND THEY ARE STRANGE Also Rayn is important to point out in how he stopped actively trying to get SnB lynched, and didn't even go to blub despite originally him being between those two. Never explained why. At time he voted, SnB and Blub both could've/probably would've been lynched. As a whole these votes don't make sense . It doesn't mean they're mafia, but it means it doesn't make sense . Also note how everyone has already voted. And everyone is on one of the three lynches, except for SnB/Zelous who are voting each other. I would encourage you guys to both vote kush. Old Person has been suddenly bandwagoned by people who voted him despite no evidence they had suspicions of him. Then they left. Not all of these are mafia, but some of them certainly might be. The bandwagon on OP is so strange and indicates he is town . Mafia would not have let him die and would've softly defended him earlier against suspicions/pushed him aside . Furthermore, even ignoring all the above, OP has shown he has and will contribute, and indicates that he will contribute more later on. | ||
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On September 19 2013 05:43 Sn0_Man wrote: I'll admit I didn't want OP lynched either. You didn't see me campaigning in his defense like he was some legendary asset to town. I just didn't see the logic in lynching him over blubbers. | ||
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On September 19 2013 05:54 Pandain wrote: You defended and voted to save OP when he was FAR more suspicious, while I correctly realized he was scum. Voted to save yes. Defended very much not lol. Iunno this game is hard or something. Whys there have to be an SK | ||
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On September 19 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: That doesn't work unfortunately, because if we lynch town we lose. That's not a townie mindset. Not actually true. As soon as we mislynch, the SK is likely to gun for scum I'd say. And really, Zealos is so hilariously not town (although he aint scum either). If he's town its so bad that it hurts. | ||
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On September 19 2013 22:29 kushm4sta wrote: godammit can we just lynch debears I'd be OK with this. Zealos SK tho. We have like 8 hours team lets figure this out. | ||
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Not that all his reads are wrong just that he isn't presenting any information in a helpful manner . Alternately SK but I'm still quite suspicious that zealos is the SK. | ||
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On September 19 2013 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I take back my earlier statement. I want to lynch Oats if he does not give me 2 scumreads with proper reasoning. Don't do this rayn Oats aint scum lol. | ||
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Zealos was just temp banned for 2 days by Nyovne. That account was created on 2011-11-07 22:30:03 and had 2307 posts. Reason: Less ad hominem. I know we aren't supposed to discuss modkills but it would be nice to hear what the proposed course of action is with Zealos (I know this was already pointed out) | ||
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Grack bad lynch. Dibbers/Pandain good lynches. Seems like pandain ain't the lynch for now so I'll vote dibbers I guess until he starts catching scum or something. Glad to hear what happens to zealos tho. For your reading convenience: ##Unvote ##Vote: Papa_Smurf | ||
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Thats my thing on Pandain. he's doing all this defending stuff which doesn't necessarily make sense as scum, but where's the scumhunting? His ACTIONS are anti-town despite all the defending stuff (which sounds so townie superficially). Dibbers scum because he's checked out of the thread with basement-tier scumhunting and all he wants to do is push kush (town), Zealos (Can't be scum), and now me (because zealos got modkilled). He refuses to contribute to reasonable discussion around pandain and vayne etc. And all of Koshi's reasons for dibbers being scum still stand (Great comments on "how to play", awful unreadable "scumhunting"). | ||
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On September 20 2013 04:20 VayneAuthority wrote: why would debears come out of nowhere and make a case on sn0_man who he knows no one will ever sheep if he's scum? I guess too stupid to be scum WIFOM but i'd be much more inclined to kill grack/pandain. I will only vote pandain to save myself though since my case relies on grack being scum first. Dibbers isn't a bad player. He wouldn't do this crap as town either lol. He does it as anti-town so he can say "Hey look I'm scumhunting". | ||
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On September 20 2013 04:27 VayneAuthority wrote: I wish I was anti-town id be having a field day in this game, nothing makes sense right now. there's only a few anti-town but everyone coming in with these ninja votes and last second cases and shit is driving me insane There must be at least 3 anti-town left and one of them is dibbers so vote that guy I think. Also pandain but he feels too hard to lynch based on me trying and failing miserably for the last 40ish hours. | ||
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On September 20 2013 02:53 Umasi wrote: well for me, not kush, because his reaction to the case on zealos, where he actually seemed to consider it and I'm getting kind of an ominous feeling from my qt with smurf, but I can't actually explain why. not because it's like, private, but because I'm totally lost. He's seemed pro-town, but it still does not..feel right? fuck it. Still thinking it over, /afk for a bit Hey umasi lynch smurf you know theres something wrong with him its because he's anti town. | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:37 kushm4sta wrote: whats the point if scum got fake role pms anyway Well to prove that you have one as opposed to are desperately begging hosts for a vt one since yours is blue or w/e | ||
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For another, Dibbers/Pandain scumteam has been something I've been considering for a long time. Lastly, since you dind't seem to see this, RAYN PLEASE POINT OUT WHERE DIBBERS CLAIMED TO UMASI he sure didn't in what i saw. | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain and debears and Sno. Do you realize we just lost the game if Zealos is not SK? Well between pandain and zealos I'm fairly sure theres at least 1 anti-town. Game aint over tho we have 8 mins to decide this lynch. | ||
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On September 20 2013 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you understand that if you are town you forced me to lynch kushmasta? False. Do you understand that YOU VOTED FOR HIM? I'm assuming you can understand at least that lol. I told you he was town. He's way more reliably town than the chance of pandain being town. You were free to vote whoever you damn well pleased and you KNEW kush was town. You just gave in to shitty peer pressure. Dibbers is still scum I think. Fake claim or somethign. W/e. I'm pissed. Just gonan wait for the crappy night actions to come in. Dibbers is gonna have some mega-bullshit easy check that doesn't tell us anything. Rayn losing me another game of mafia | ||
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On September 20 2013 23:34 Papa_Smurf wrote: Actually it is possible that bh would have wanted pandain around for nk wifom reasons, but eith the lack confirmed saves or shots it would be silly for scum to opt for koshi over pandain n2 unless koshi was indeed on the right track Who is scum dibbers? You tried ZEALOS/KUSH/ME and we're all town so try the fuck again. | ||
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On September 20 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: Oh nvm, i get what you are saying. But Grack, if i was SK i would have definitely lynched mafia!Pandain over town!kush. Why wouldn't i? Because that puts a red check on you? | ||
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On September 20 2013 23:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Man I really wish I rolled SK .Realistically, you are on the list bro. Its not like your scumhunting has been useful. Ur like 1 tier below rayn/dibbers for SK likelihood. | ||
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If he actually had a clue what was going on we'd lynch scum. Meanwhile ostensibly useful townies did jack shit so oh well. Our mason took to QT's and never posted in the thread, plus sheeped the least useful sentiments. Really the D3 lynch lost town the game and that one is on dibbers who spent the whole game policy lynching obvtown kush. I pretty much gave up after that (plus its a weekend and no matter how often I tell people "I BARELY EVEN READ DURING WEEKENDS" errybody thinks it means im scum every game). Sure I didn't catch scum I'm not claiming to be good. Setup was mega-town favoured but really fucking dumb (2-shot scum vigi lol? why not just standard 4 scum...). If town wasn't full of players like zealos/blubbdavid/umasi it ought to be humanly impossible to lose. Anyways just opinions I'm sure lots of people disagree. Thanks for hosting etc etc. Grack played scum well IMO. | ||
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