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VayneAuthority
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On September 14 2013 14:05 Pandain wrote: Would that be right choice? I guess so in that OP could vote as scum; unless a cop gets killed in which case we should go for scum anyway. it is the right choice because his wincon is to survive at all costs. He is essentially another scum player if he never needs to be. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Maybe lynch him tommorow for the lolz? 👹👺👺👺👺 | ||
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Pandain
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On September 14 2013 14:08 Grackaroni wrote: Who do you think is scum, and if you say kush please give some analysis beyond just him planting his vote on Blubbers and being Kush in general Hmm tough call but I'd say koshi, you, rayn, and kush are probably the scummiest to me right now. something has felt off about koshi the entire game and he's using people as puppets again and kind of just floating along on people giving him town reads. Last time this happened he was a serial killer. Like oats, I don't understand your last second vote switch and what you hoped to accomplish there. There's also way way back that point I made which I still think was a bit of a scumslip but your posting has improved since then...probably my lowest priority right now rayn...where do I begin. the only reason he isn't dead yet is because he plays anti-town as town too. If he's scum welcome to hell because he's impossible to lynch and if he's town welcome to the titanic where town loses more and more the longer he lives. just somebody vig this guy. kush pretty much a mini rayn, skating by on reputation and I haven't seen any good reasons as to why he's town besides HE'S TOWN STFU FUCKING FUCk!!11 and that doesn't fly where I'm from. Make these players do something or town loses. brief rundown of my scum reads until further notice. the last two can easily be town if they stop trolling and do shit. | ||
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Old Partner
United States274 Posts
He says this: On September 14 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Vayne the problem is it is what amounts to a flat-out lie by SnB without him addressing it. I agree he is tunneling pretty hard on it but it's Rayn. As town I'm pretty sure he's lynched both town and scum in this way. As far as Rayn's Oats example goes I'd probably accept that lol. and he continues with this: On September 14 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Who said specifically they don't want to vote SnB because they think your case is bad? I'm still waiting on SnB to come back and explain the apparent lie you found (and even more so why he came back already and didn't address it) but aside from that I wouldn't be sure enough to vote him today even if he doesn't come back JUST because of that lie (as I feel that is the strongest part of your case). and so he lays suspicion on SnB without voting him at a time when were sitting on about 2-3 votes on each of SnB, Blubb, and me. he continues here to sheep umasi who has basically said nothing all game: On September 14 2013 04:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Fuck it. Make of this what you will but I really don't think Blubb is scum. I've noticed that before people get lynched they are expected to make some sort of a reads post or something to help people out if they happen to flip town (never mind the=at TL towns ignore that shit anyway but whatever). I think out of all the games I've played in, scum has made a post (for WIFOM) like this ONCE that I can think of offhand, and that was ShiaoPi in LXI. Most often scum simply don't want to bother. Blubb has made a post like this recently, and specifically told us to watch out for debears (I'm not saying debears is scum). The reason I didn't want to reveal this until later is because I'd want to see if he repeats this behaviour closer to deadline but since I'm not here I have to reveal it now. TL;DR Scum don't give reads before getting lynched. I don't think blubb is scum. Make of the above what you will but I think at this point I'd lynch OP simply by process of elimination. On September 14 2013 05:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright kush with effort. I will have faith. I'm gone as well guys. vote: old partner Ultimately, I don't think WoS's opinions here are inherently bad. What's bad are two things: one, he has to be backed into them, and dodges my SnB question. Two, he doesn't vote me because he thinks I'm scum. He doesn't write a case that would convince other people, he states a process of elimination. I could see this coming from a town perspective, but there's a couple things to bear in mind here 1) at this point there are several closely competing wagons, all of which have few votes. A serious case could change things here 2) WoS comes out without a clear opinion on SnB. He defends Blubb, but the fact that his defense is so brief (and he doesnt hang out after he votes me to argue or push, or even defend bluff seriously!) makes me think WoS wanted to be able to come back and say "wow, i tried to save blubb but you guys are bad!" Now, when he votes me is actually about an hour after he says "I'd lynch OP by process of elimination". In this hour, it goes from closely contested wagons to me being out in front. WoS piling on is actually a point in his favor in my opinion-- if he was scum pushing one townie wagon or another (from his PoV) doesn't make a huge amount of sense. That being said, he's no longer the deciding vote, at least at the time he votes. he states an intention to vote me i the least commital way possible, makes no attempts to ACTUALLY save blubbdavid (WHO HE THINKS IS TOWN), and votes me AFTER he sees which way the wind is blowing. I'd say WoS is high on my list of lynchable candidates. And it is AWFULLY convenient of him to be afk for some time now, isn't it? | ||
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Old Partner
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Grackaroni
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On September 14 2013 14:24 Old Partner wrote: I need to sit down again with SnB filter and take a look at people who moved onto Zealos near the end there (besides myself) to see what kind of motivations that could have. I think the fact that the entire SnB wagon was abandoned by day end, and blubbdavid got lynched with 5 votes in a game of 15 is a sign of mafia involved in the shenannies. town shenannies are usually more organized in my experience, even though they're frantic. The people moving the lynch off of you are more likely to be mafia? Why would they stick themselves out like that when a non-mafia player (yourself) is getting lynched.. I don't agree with this at all. Mafia would be content with the lynch and not pulling last minute shennanies.... | ||
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Old Partner
United States274 Posts
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Old Partner
United States274 Posts
On September 14 2013 14:29 Grackaroni wrote: The people moving the lynch off of you are more likely to be mafia? Why would they stick themselves out like that when a non-mafia player (yourself) is getting lynched.. I don't agree with this at all. Mafia would be content with the lynch and not pulling last minute shennanies.... Zealos moved his vote to the 3-vote kush wagon from the 1-vote snb wagon. SnB voted Zealos and WoS voted me Of the three who last minute shenannied and aren't me, it's blubbdavid (town), grack (you), and panda. Panda then moved over to blubb and you ended the day with your vote on a zealos who conveniently didn't get lynched (he had 1 vote before the shenannie began) and blubb had unvoted. -- all this in the last few hours, all ending with a tiny plurality lynching blubbdavid with almost no real opposition. you think scum wasn't involved? | ||
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Old Partner
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Also a vig shot is an awful idea especially since you yourself say there are few things you have a problem with and I consider them minor. I would rather see a vig shot on Rayn, who if scum will kill scum and tell us so much info, and if town will save us unreadable spam. My thoughts | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Old Partner
United States274 Posts
There's much to be gained from debating with him. | ||
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Old Partner
United States274 Posts
Man, looking back on it I just can't shake the idea that strongandbig HAS to be town. The fact that he noticed PS/DB coaching a newbie just doesn't seem like something scum would be motivated to do. I know I've ##FoSed SnB, but if I'm going to be honest here (and I must), the fact that he has ignored me isn't the most terrible thing. SnB's finding out that PS is coaching a newbie game, then asking him about it, strikes me as townie. After all, making that connection is not something he'd have to do as scum. Townies inherently are trying to find things out about the game, whereas scum are trying to conceal Scum could do it. If SnB was hosting that other game or something I'd see it. But really, looking to see where else the obvious smurf has posted, just to call him out for it... I think this isn't something that would occur to a scum player. This is the kind of thing you only look into if you're naturally inquiring. SnB probably just didn't give a dick about me posting once or twice a day and ignored me or forgot me. It happens. I think this is a genuine insight into his mindset: he is town. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
You have even less reasoning for Koshi being scum, all you have said is that he was suspicious of Pandain. It looks to me that you only wrote your case on Blubbers to jump on some early town cred and after people wrote you off as town you got lazy and stopped bothering to analyze the thread. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On September 14 2013 14:47 Grackaroni wrote: @Vayne: you started out this game with an actual case and I got the impression that you would be doing actual anaylsis, as of late all your main scum reads look extremely outdated. Your only reasoning for me being scum is that I was suspicious of Pandain and besides that you latch onto WoS/Oat's posts. I have been doing so much more in the thread you could analyze. You have even less reasoning for Koshi being scum, all you have said is that he was suspicious of Pandain. It looks to me that you only wrote your case on Blubbers to jump on some early town cred and after people wrote you off as town you got lazy and stopped bothering to analyze the thread. I don't feel the need to repeat myself, if I see anything worthy of deep analysis then ill post it. You asked for scumreads and I gave an overview of what i've seen from day 1. It's not so much outdated as getting badgered to re-iterate what I have already said. If you actually thought this was all shitty then you would have said something before now I presume. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On September 14 2013 14:53 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't feel the need to repeat myself, if I see anything worthy of deep analysis then ill post it. You asked for scumreads and I gave an overview of what i've seen from day 1. It's not so much outdated as getting badgered to re-iterate what I have already said. If you actually thought this was all shitty then you would have said something before now I presume. There's a reason I had asked you the question rather than just looking back at what you already said. I wanted to see if you had anything new to bring to the table after the Blubbdavid lynch. Your reasoning for Koshi being scum is weak. You are telling me there is nobody in this game you are more suspicious of at the moment then Koshi because he was suspicious of Pandain's first post? That's the best scum read you've got at this point in the game? | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On September 14 2013 15:03 Grackaroni wrote: There's a reason I had asked you the question rather than just looking back at what you already said. I wanted to see if you had anything new to bring to the table after the Blubbdavid lynch. Your reasoning for Koshi being scum is weak. You are telling me there is nobody in this game you are more suspicious of at the moment then Koshi because he was suspicious of Pandain's first post? That's the best scum read you've got at this point in the game? I don't get where the pandain thing is coming from but its more of a meta read, considering he actually hasn't done that much if you read his filter. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On September 14 2013 06:31 Pandain wrote: SnB, I beg you to vote Kush. Zelos isn't going to be lynched, and you see I agree with you he's scummy. He's not going to be lynched however. Rayn I ask that you see what I'm saying, or at least trust in me if you believe I'm town. I promise you OP is town. Papa_Smurf and OP are town or are behaving like town. OP is town mainly for the bandwagon that just occured, also note that he's afk even now which shows that he really can't contribute as of now. Zealos if you're town I ask you to vote Kush. Also you guys are talking about mostly useless shit that doesn't matter now, focus on the matter at hand. Pandain says that he thinks Zealos is scum On September 14 2013 06:32 Pandain wrote: The reason I favor Kush instead of blubb is that we can more safely lynch blubb later, or rule him out later due to rolechecks and flips and then analyze there. With Kush, we have no such occurence as he is not going to be contributing more. In prior games he has contributed more as town, actually pro-actively scum hunting. This game he indicates he doesn't know what's going on, and I don't trust him to make himself easily identifiable. He will be a distraction later on to the town. There is some miswording going on here but I think what he is trying to say is that we shouldn't lynch blubb because we can get a better read on him later on. On September 14 2013 06:54 Pandain wrote: You can't get zealos, there's 2 votes on him now? Rayn won't do it, WILL YOU RAYN? You guys, honestly right now, won't vote Kush? Tell me now This is a scummy way of deflecting the wagon, Pandain thinks that Zealos is scummy but, oh shit, there's not enough time! On September 14 2013 06:53 Pandain wrote: .I am more inclined to have someone vig Zealous instead. Why are you saying this? What is the difference between a lynch and the vig? why leave Zealos to the vig? You agreed that he's scummy earlier and aren't voting because he's not going to be lynched. On September 14 2013 06:55 Pandain wrote: I don't know there's a chance Zealos is blue. There's too much I don't know. I haven't looked at his prior games either really. What kind of a reason is this to not lynch somebody? A bad one. When you said you wanted to policy lynch Kushm4sta and wanted to get him out of the way you didn't go, "oh no what if he's blue, it's too risky!" Hell you didn't even care if Kush would flip town. Pandain planted his vote already on Zealos and switched it to Blub. WE HAD THE VOTES TO LYNCH ZEALOS AND HE SWITCHED. He said he wasn't going to vote Zealos because we couldn't get a majority. Pandain's vote pushed Blubbers to his death over Zealos and what I'm seeing is scum, already agreeing that Zealos is scummy, desperately trying to save his scum buddy from a last minute vote switch through shitty tactics. . (GUYS NO TIME, HE MIGHT BE BLUE, LET'S JUST LEAVE HIM TO THE VIG") | ||
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