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On September 13 2013 08:06 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 07:57 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 13 2013 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The post looks fucking good in filter because it describes my meta pretty well. It sounds good.
However, what's wrong in that post is:
1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post?
2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck.
3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum. 1) It's insight on you. Close enough. 2) Why wouldn't come up when people are discussing you? That's the best time to bring something up, especially when you say it accurately describes your meta. Also, when did I ever say "I'm lynching ryanp". It never happened, and you are making shit up. Criticizing someone is what you do when you think they are town. Calling them scum is something you do when you think they are scum. 3) And maybe he might be busy. I don't see how it's a "hit and run", when he doesn't sya "omg raynp is scum" and you say his description of you meta is accurate What's the point of bringing up my meta? Nobody even asked about it.. Does it prove something? Yeah, it's okay to come up and give insight when someone is being discussed. If the insight however is "I dunno how to read this guy (with 100 words)" WHAT'S THE POINT? I'm done arguing with you. You have hit my ignore list for this game. If you can't see why a meta read is important to bring up when you are a subject of discussion (and you think ppl are trying to lynch you), then it is hopeless to beat it out of you, especially when it's an accurate meta read according to you.
debears, debears, please. Listen to me, this one post. Please read this:
+ Show Spoiler +Let's say this is the situation:
I flame you for your last games, we argue a bit about them, and i think you played fucking terribly. I put those thoughts in thread and say i wanna policy lynch if you are gonna be dumb again. Another guy comes in and agrees with me, "fuck you were bad debears, i wanna policy lynch you for it". Third guy comes in and says "rofl, let's just lynch debears, he can't be read and i am not sure of him anyways".
Then guy #4 skims in, says this:
"Okay so, debears is really hard to read. As scum he posts as he does as town. Not sure if he is scum, but look at this. He said XYZ here (which is 5 posts when you have 100 in total). This is nothing conclusive but i dunno, looks like he is arguing about something he should not be arguing about. Why is he so interested in this XYZ (5/100)?"
Then he fucks off..
Do you see a town motivation in this post?
Do you see a scum motivation in this post?
Because i see only one of those.
Everyone can read this and think if you were in that situation, because that's EXACTLY what happened.
SnB is scum.
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On September 13 2013 08:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
See? told you those guys ain't playing townie.
And you could give some thoughts on things instead of licking someones ass and crying when you get mislynched. I am fed up with your attitude. Start playing instead of calling people names.
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Pandain can you comment on my case on OP and SnB?
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Okay, i just read through Old Partner's notes, they are crap. They do not even address the important things going on in thread and how people come out of them. There is nothing, it's full of shit with no thinking behind it.
See this:
P21
PS/DB an explanation of kush scum/town meta would be ncie rather than saying it exists and leaving it like that.
god rayn get off my ass, it's not happening.
I don't care about rayn's fakeclaiming history. we lynch liars.
SnB needs to take a stance. I downgrade him to "null" for that post #417
P22
PS that's probably not a scumslip from rayn. that's just arrogance.
bds' arguments were fine. We can't figure kush out. he's not worth anything, he doesn't contribute, we just lynch him today and be done with it
P23
No mention of where the thread is at that time. THIS is what i am talking about. This seems good, "hey this happened then that happened and i wrote about it", he has no fucking clue what's important and what's not. SCUM!
But SnB is also scum so vig OP N1!
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His playstyle is shit because he seems like contributing when he is not.
See my last post. Look at SnB's post and the happenings around it. Looks like OP is on top of things? No....
They are both scum. SnB and OP.
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So, what do we do?
Apparently people can't see why SnB is scum. debears should see it, he's probably scum too. I am not so sure about Old Partner, i would have thought he changes his style, because that's really annoying and if he is town he cant even draw conclusions fro his own posts because tehy are so messy.
Most people are contributing a lot, i don't want to lynch Onegu because he is not lurking, he's just inactive. So lynch Zealos then?
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Like SnB's post is full of crap, even his meta-read is kinda wrong now that i looked into my own filters. His conclusion is also wrong. "rayn is always hard to read" -- Aperture first post from SnB: "rayn is town, totes!", after game "you were obviously town from the beginning". Doesn't sound that hard to me. The timing of the post is obviusly scum favored, and should be for anyone who reads what was going on in thread at that time. Add in the fact that he has his notes there, his notes throughout the game talk only about me + a couple of one liners about someone else? Is the dude in love with me or what?
That's everything he has had to say in this game.
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Also there are these weird comments:
lol regardless of what you think my alignment is do i really remind you of sicillian? if i do ive failed.
Why would you be concerned about if you look like your scum-meta if you are town, because you can't look like your scum-meta??
Then there is the weird answer to vayne, which is over-explained:
On September 12 2013 08:16 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 08:06 Grackaroni wrote:
@S&B: What do you think of Vayne's early defense of your play. Do you think he has valid reasoning for thinking you are town? well on the one hand i am playing verra differently than i have in any past scum game, especially my most recent one. but there could be other explanations for that difference, especially if vayne's only comparing it to that one game. maybe i'm more nonchalant because i don't feel pressure to respond to a day's worth of thread action? maybe my scum team includes people who are better at coaching? maybe i'm consciously 'changing my meta'? the thing is, genuine interactivity and non-overthinking-ness is hard to fake as scum, at least for me. basically, i think vayne's got good reason to think i'm town given how early in the game it is and my recent meta, but that if i was a better scum player than i am i could fool him too. tbh given vayne's semi-aggro play style i don't find his town read on me worrying at this point. it's not like i'm gonna flip d1 and he'll get towncred for defending me.
Why just not say "yes"?
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On September 13 2013 20:20 Koshi wrote:
Maybe it is time for a lurker lynch.
It is between SnB, Kush, Umasi, Zealos and Onegu then?
I'd give Umasi time to catch up. Pressuring him with a fuckton of questions does not help at this point. At best he is a random lynch (unfortunately). GK seemed pretty good to me so i am not supporting his lynch.
Onegu i hope fixes his internet issues or get's replaced. I am not gonna randomlynch him for not being able to play.
I think Kush is town tbh.
Zealos, if are gonna lynch a lurker, is the best option. I wouldn't call SnB a lurker (well actually, he probably should be called a lurker) but he is definitely the best lynch atm.
WoS worries me, so does debears.
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Do you have to come up with it or what? It's been 10 minutes.
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Damn that tell must be in-depth. Probably takes account kush's post from every possible game ever.
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kushmasta has more good posts than SnB has..
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Debears, i have a question for you. This is SnB's post about me and his notes:
On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote:Hey guys Posting from phone in class Posting notes: + Show Spoiler +
Partner wants to know if I have a scum read on koshi
I don't like pandaman's role name reasoning. No reason hosts can't mix up the roles or give scum safe fake claims. Also from his post his opinions are basically easy ones - kush needs to straighten up. No lurking. Super scummy opening post IMO.
Then in his next post grack makes a decent attack but twists pandaman's argument - he didn't say lynch grack cause he's bad. He said lunch grack cause he's noncommittal.
Ppl talking about me finding debears smurf slip as coach. I clicked profile and last posts on his account. Not very hard to do.
I like Ryan's first four posts/entry into the thread. Okay wait maybe not - rayne is quibbling about old partners questions with koshi but asking about stupid things...
Rayen says that good karma looks good about the early day 1 quarrel - wtf where did this come from...
Ryan's reasons for saying that grack is scum are also terrible. And he keeps going on about panda in being better than old partner but they just feel completely different...
Anyway non rayne notes.
Fracks case on blubbdavod interesting . Go reread.
Wtf is up with snoman yelling about onegu
Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. (2): Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious. (3): My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said. (4): I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum. One other thing - I think panda in is scum. His post was that bad and opening posts are inportant. He had only easy scum opinions - lunch kush, lurkers bad - in that post. plus he has obviously bad reasoning on role names and bad justification for his town reads on me, va, and gk. like, what townie sees someone whose only comment on the main issues in the thread was "that's silly" and says "oh yes that guy is town, the whole thread really was a distraction." Plus I don't think vayne was moving the thread forward as much as shouting at people/being aggro, and it was really easy for me to click on papasmirf's profile button. None of those strike me as townie reasons for townreads. Right now I want to lynch pandaman's. however, before I vote I want to reread the blurb case as well. Anyway I have a problem set due tmo so I'm probably not gonna be voting until tomorrow morning.
(1): Do you agree with what SnB says here? Having played with me in Desert. Because as town, when i get into the bad tunnel mode (which usually happens) am i then "pushing the town forward"?
(2) & (4): This is SnB's first post in Aperture mafia:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 30 2013 23:47 strongandbig wrote:Hey DI I'd rather do all three of the things you said than the one you didn't. Anyway: Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 10:31 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.
Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt
one of these fits quite well with your personality What about 4) Cora is trying to get killed/lynched? There are certainly a lot of people I'm going to have to ignore this game, golly gosh. On August 30 2013 10:26 geript wrote:
@WoS I need a number on a scale from 1 to bitch please. Where does 'Are you fo realz?!?!' fit? This one is so clearly wrong it kind of makes me want to kill wos. Cora was obviously butthurt, but he also had posts where he was trying to play the game. neither of those points to jester. What's the thought process here? It really feels like saying something just for the sake of saying it. More importantly, Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.
Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt
one of these fits quite well with your personality This is an awful lot of words to say "I have no opinion on Cora yet" and "I still attest that you're, in fact, butthurt." A lot. Sup BH? VE what happened to this? BH is clearly not playing to his town "persona". As well as not responding to alakaslam like I would expect. I'm really not sure why but I'm thinking it might be alignment indicative. Also, No one else reveal their item names. I don't remember who but someone earlier in the thread said their item was used by someone else to build a doomsday machine. It seems likely that this doomsday machine has multiple pieces that need to be collected and something like the "null talisman" could easily be part of it.. Okay that was still koshi speculating about his item. Still given the rift destabilization mechanic from before and the fate counter, it's kind of likely that someone bad wants townies' items. One last thing - Ryan is town. Scum I'm giving you this townread for free to help direct your night kills plz kill him.
This is SnB's post from Aperture mafia post game:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 11 2013 23:35 strongandbig wrote:
Rayn you were obvy town to anyone who played with you in our previous game.
Getting shot by scum N2 always makes me feel good as a townie but this puts me on a pretty impressive losing streak. I think it's like four or five in a row? Cba to check ATM.
Tbh though I don't feel bad about pretty much anything I did this game except forgetting to use my role night 1. The hassy lynch was unfortunate but given the claims from him and Kita plus his filter I think it was the right choice. I was totes right that alakazam should have been the second lynch that day, lame that he wasn't but since he ragequit or whatever that was okay. I was also right about VE not being town and the rest of my reads were not too bad.
Oh also I really don't know why people are saying the axle lynch was so bad. I was dead by that point, but how it looked to me was that he'd been trying to get other people to go along with an unknown plan the whole game, then when he was under pressure from town to reveal what it was he just shut up and afk'd. Seriously if he had just claimed before going to sleep or if he'd showed up again before deadline there's no way he would've been lunched, but just shutting up made it seem like town had no choice but to lunch him.
Now that you have read the posts, compare it to SnB's post this game, does this support the argument i am "hard to read" for SnB?
(3): I argued about OP's questions because i thought they were bad. SnB is saying me arguing about them is scummy (so he thinks the questions were good then i assume?). If the questions were good in his opinion, why does he not bring up the fact that NOBODY other than ayne in fact answered OP? SnB didn't HIMSELF answer OP's questions.
(5): Look at his notes (spoilered in his post). What do you see? Right, notes about me. Nothing else. Why is he so fixated in me and nothing else in this game? And even if that can be explained, why is his conclusion of me (the rest of his post) full of invalid arguments and in fact there is no conclusion at all..
Do you think SnB's post is "insightful" and "good"? Because (in addition, given the timing of the post) to me the post is full of crap and scummy.
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On September 13 2013 21:50 Zealos wrote:That's my name IRL. I haven't posted much, that is true, but I have had a busy few days from college, and tbh, I find Day 1's a bit of a clusterfuck anyway. I much prefer to look things over once a couple of people are dead. Not a great excuse, but eh.
Could you do something? Give us something to work with. I don't want to lynch you if you are town but saying "D1 is a crapshoot either way" is not a good argument for not doing anything, it can even get you lynched.
Even if you think we are gonna get it wrong try to prove you are town so we don't mislynch you.
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Hey Zealos, vote for SnB!
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On September 13 2013 21:56 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 21:24 Koshi wrote:
Maybe.
Kush should crank up his activity.
Still don't want to lynch him. I think I can read him if he posts more. Idk where you get that he is gonna post more. he said specifically he would read and make reads within 8 hours and if not we can lynch him. He didnt. why is he suddenly going to pick up activity when he he promised to o and didnt deliver that promise? This SnB wagon is suspicious as fuck, especially from raynp, who said snb was town up until one post. One post that was relevant to thread discussion at the time and accurately described raynps meta according to raynp.
Could you comment on my last post?
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Okay Koshi is town, things he say about kush are 100% correct. Things he say about SnB are 100% correct.
Koshi, kush is not giving a fuck here. This is exactly same thing that he did in GoT you pointed out. He is doing it here again.
"I'll do this and that, you can lynch me if i don't" -> "No fuck, in fact i won't do it."
That's town!kush D1.
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On September 13 2013 22:13 blubbdavid wrote:
I do not like the fact that Zealos is jumping on the wagon so quickly, without much analysis. Rayn, it may make sense that you feel offended by SnB's posting, but him questioning your meta is not helpful for scum except for making the main speaker (which you are) look bad. As he said on his big post, he is undecided about you.
The only thing I could hold against him is that he wants to see Panda dead.
Look at what i worte. I just proved his post is bullshit!
There is no other motivation than to make me look bad. He is not adding anything to the discussion. He is bringing up invalid arguments about me (which i did PROVE wrong).
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I understand people who have not played with me before (blubbers, Pandain, etc) not understanding what's wrong with SnB's argument because on paper the post may look good. However, EVERYONE who has played with me before should know why his post is simply incorrect.
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Zealos is not scum because he is voting for the scum dude blubbers...
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