EPTYup, that last minute vote switch. OP wasn't even in the thread before he did that shit.
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Yup, that last minute vote switch. OP wasn't even in the thread before he did that shit. | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:43 Old Partner wrote: Immediate thoughts are that shenannies could tell us something. Grack swapped away from me at the last minute, maybe to avoid getting bad cred for lynching a townie. He was probably scum starting a wagon and hoping it wouldn't roll across the line, then jumped overboard. I'm also still suspicious of kush (especially that he believed me so easily-- what does he know that rayn doesn't), along with his "scumslip". that being said, I dont' think we should policy lynch kush. He IS readable. I was lying. You aren't a townie? | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:43 Old Partner wrote: Immediate thoughts are that shenannies could tell us something. Grack swapped away from me at the last minute, maybe to avoid getting bad cred for lynching a townie. He was probably scum starting a wagon and hoping it wouldn't roll across the line, then jumped overboard. I'm also still suspicious of kush (especially that he believed me so easily-- what does he know that rayn doesn't), along with his "scumslip". that being said, I dont' think we should policy lynch kush. He IS readable. I was lying. I'll give you that, I see what you are saying. If I was scum I would THINK you were a townie. My gut response was that all of a sudden you changed yourself from survivor to innocent townie victim. | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:55 Old Partner wrote: "BH is scum because he thinks I am scum. i will OMGUS him and pretend this is an okay argument" If you can give me some good, specific reasoning for me being scum I will accept it. But once again right now I don't get the impression you are trying to help town or solve the game. | ||
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On September 14 2013 08:14 Papa_Smurf wrote: Lol BH I love you <3 Some things off the top of my head: Raynp's and Koshi's dropping of SnB is off(especially gotta look at raynp, that little bugger). I wouldn't think both are scum . Seemed like the thread presence of vayne and grack fell off (not sure but had town reads on them double checking that shit). And guess I'll just wait til rigghhhhhtttt about dawn for anything super insightful. Haven't really decided if I'll post right before or quite a bit before I'm sorry that I had a drop in activity near the end of the day, had to go to class and barely made it back for the deadline. I really do wish I could have been in the thread earlier. | ||
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On September 14 2013 08:34 Papa_Smurf wrote: well that was a disaster ? | ||
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On September 14 2013 09:43 Koshi wrote: Question to all: Did you know that you could post your role PM? Please answer! Thank you! no, I expected BH to be modkilled. You made an interesting point about BH asking if he could post his role PM. maybe he thought he could and then saw people expecting him to modkill and second guessed himself. I don't really see any sort of scum motivation for not knowing whether he could post it or not. | ||
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On September 14 2013 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look at how Pandain avoids my questions and pushes his own instead. Look at how he disappears when i ask him about Oats and ask him to answer my former questions (which were asked ~2h ago in the first place). Note that, keep an eye on him. Seems like he has something to hide. You have a very pushy play style and some people don't appreciate it. It's hypocritical of you to demand answers from him while not putting much time into answering his questions. If Pandain was mafia this game ,judging from his posts before the lynch, i highly doubt he's not responding to you because he is scum and incapable of posting a response/trying to hide something. You said it yourself, Pandain is either very good mafia or town. What you are accusing of him would fall into a less good category, no? | ||
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It's important to try to see how strong of a mafia player is in analyzing scummy actions. I think certain arguments are stronger when applied to weaker players than stronger players and vice versa. Rayn is accusing Pandain of being scum for not responding to his questions. If this was case for say Zealos, I could see that as being a valid argument. Zealos seems to me like a player who would be less confident and when pressured could panic and disappear. Pandain on the other hand has shown that he is not afraid of the spotlight and of pushing his ideas (which were against the thread at the time) hard without a fear of how his posting look to other players. Rayn's accusation of Pandain being scum for ignoring his questions doesn't make as much sense because Pandain is either the type of scum player who wouldn't have trouble responding to Rayn or he is town this game in which it is irrelevant. | ||
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On September 14 2013 10:40 kushm4sta wrote: im a little confused OP why did you feel the need to claim? nothing is scummy about voting a town read to save yourself. For me the fact that he voted means he was probably waiting in the thread for a while and watching to see if he had to do anything and just not posting which is suspicious. Nobody simply says, hmmm 1 minute before deadline. Guess I'll check in to see who's getting lynched. oh it's me. *unvote* BH would come off looking better if he could be not lynched while just conveniently not being there before the deadline when all of the discussion is taking place. | ||
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On September 14 2013 11:16 Old Partner wrote: To break it down again: I had claimed that I wasn't available ever for the lynch deadline due to work and not having a smartphone. however, showing up to save myself would have proved that I was available. At this point I basically have to claim that i'm blazinghand right. But then people see "oh wtf this kid is blazinghand" so i basically had to lay out my whole gameplan did you think at all about claiming at the start of the game? Like you said even if you are catching scum it's not in scum's interest to kill you because you don't count against their win condition and if you had been really pro-town and helped catch scum you wouldn't be lynched. | ||
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On September 14 2013 11:29 Umasi wrote: claiming a non-town role is generally a bad idea to start the game. reminds me of someone in a newbie game asking if claiming traitor was smart :| That's how I would have chosen to play as that role. Better to just come out with it and act really pro-town and lynch scum in order to not get lynched then playing like a scum player without the advantage of a scum team and somehow expecting to make it to the endgame. | ||
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haha I would. But I also would claim Miller at the start of the game if I was SAM so it could just be a stylistic difference. | ||
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On September 14 2013 12:15 strongandbig wrote: It's a proven successful scum tactic. You think that both Rayn and BH look scummy. Rayn was repeatedly pushing BH over Pandain when nobody was suspicious of BH. do you think that Rayn was actually bussing BH today or do you think that they both have things about them that are scummy but it is unlikely that they are scum together? | ||
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On September 14 2013 13:28 Oatsmaster wrote: for what? Ok umasi is scum for voting for OP then calling me scum. Grack is scum for not staying on OP for no particular reason. I didnt see anything that made him change his mind. I explained WoS already. Im gonna be here for like 10 minutes then gone for like 8 hours. I aint got time for making 'big posts'. Big posts are not how blubb got lynched. Pandain is what made my change my mind. He had some good points about the ease at which votes were falling on BH and how the people voting for him just dumped their vote and walked off. I didn't think at all that OP would be ahead in vote count after I was unable to come back to thread in time to help persuade people. It was just enough to make me uncomfortable with the lynch. BH being 3rd party seems like the correct explanation to me right now for why he has been acting scummy and led the vote count without anyone in the thread strongly pushing him at the time. I think there's a good chance of at least 1 player out of you/WoS/Umasi being scum. All 3 of you dropped in, placed your votes and disappeared. | ||
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On September 14 2013 13:59 VayneAuthority wrote: hey im here for a bit to discuss anything if anyone wants to, otherwise heading to bed. to pandain's last point, we can always lynch OP to buy us time for a day if we ever unsure at some point. We always have that as a back option due to his claim. Who do you think is scum, and if you say kush please give some analysis beyond just him planting his vote on Blubbers and being Kush in general | ||
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On September 14 2013 14:24 Old Partner wrote: I need to sit down again with SnB filter and take a look at people who moved onto Zealos near the end there (besides myself) to see what kind of motivations that could have. I think the fact that the entire SnB wagon was abandoned by day end, and blubbdavid got lynched with 5 votes in a game of 15 is a sign of mafia involved in the shenannies. town shenannies are usually more organized in my experience, even though they're frantic. The people moving the lynch off of you are more likely to be mafia? Why would they stick themselves out like that when a non-mafia player (yourself) is getting lynched.. I don't agree with this at all. Mafia would be content with the lynch and not pulling last minute shennanies.... | ||
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