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Raynpelikoneet, I am interested in how you came to the conclusion that SnB is scum, and while I'm sure you can make an argument through looking at his posts and responding in analysis, I don't think that the end result actually lends himself to him being scum; at least not the way that you say. You say he fucked off, yet he could easily be AFK or simply have ignored you. Which is fine, especially if he's trying to be playing like the greats, in where you ignore people all the time because they're making flawed and ultimately inconsequential points. Basically, not worthy of your accusation. You also say he didn't contribute shit, yet I think in the posts he has made he has made more thoughtful points than even you perhaps, quote; On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote: Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious. My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said. I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum. He took a stance on my analysis of him and said it was bad, despite the fact I proffered that it meant it struck me as town. So even trying to challenge that is a small advance for him. He also said this: Anyway I have a problem set due tmo so I'm probably not gonna be voting until tomorrow morning. Maybe that's why he's ignoring you/ seems hit and run? To me there are some slight questionable things, but really there are questionable things in almost every post anyone makes, if you look hard enough. I think your reasons are flawed and he should be given more time. Original Panther I also think Original Panther is more suspicious than before, due to the fact he's so bent on lynching kush. I might be more interested, however, if I didn't already objectively think lynching Kush is the right move. OP is suspicious in me in that he's not actually advocating anyone to be lynched, which is questionable to me given all his analysis that he did; he actually offers no strong opinions. I also slightly agree that he might be trying to simply appear like a contributing town while in reality he doesn't push for anything or make use of his analysis; however I think it would be more beneficial to pressure him now, and make him give opinions. Finally, there is suspicious and then there is worthy to be lynched day one. Actually it's interesting why the SnB lynch took off. I also want to draw attention to Koshi for pretty suspicious behavior. + Show Spoiler + Immediately after SnB's last two posts, Koshi posted this. On September 13 2013 03:26 Koshi wrote: SnB dropping some knowledge. /signed for truth On September 13 2013 06:58 Koshi wrote: There is truth in what he says. But the problem is it might not really apply to this game. He says a lot of things that sounds smart/correct but meh. On September 13 2013 06:49 Koshi wrote: I want to lynch Pandain, Goodkarma or SnB. On September 13 2013 07:07 Koshi wrote: You say that this is incorrect? If I read this I nod my head and think "yeah this is true". But in the end he doesn't commit to shit. I also have a problem that he uses the example about you grilling me about OP for 2 hours, which was pretty tedious indeed, but then twists this conversation between us to make everything else he says about you true or at least have more value. tldr: I feel like SnB is being sneaky. Pretty interesting, shows to me he's not actually trying to investigate and instead he just makes opinions. Also don't understand how he objectively changed, I don't think it's sneaky at all, and I think this is bad contrived reasoning. I will later post on why kushm4sta should be lynched. | ||
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Reasoning on SnB is weak due to fact he posted that he was going to be gone. Also is weak in that at that point he had contributed more than others. OP is suspicious but I think seeing how he does during the weekend is more beneficial than lynching him. He won't have an excuse to not post, and we can analyze him further than. Koshi is suspicious for, to me, contrived reasoning, lack of consistency(without explaining why sudden change), lack of actual advocating, and actual, looking at his filter, lack of interest in town. | ||
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So just a general thing to note about his contradiction. | ||
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On August 13 2011 02:47 Koshi wrote: Interesting story, where do you download this porn? I think that my "stream" also needs some. :°) Interesting questions arise. What did he do with the porn? Where is this stream? Is this in violation of twitch.tv policies, justin.tv at the time? | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, had a cigarrette and clamed down. I promised myself i will not vote for townies this game. I do not know if blubbers is scum. I do not know if OP is scum. I don't think kush is scum. I however know SnB is scum. ##Unvote: ##Vote: StrongandBig He says i am very hard to read, which is a lie. There is no reason to make such a lie as town. There is no way he has "forgotten" how easy i was as a read on him in Aperture 2. I have proven that with quotes from him post game Aperture. Therefore SnB is mafia. You are very hard to read, from what I have read of your posts and other posts from other games, you are aggressive as both alignments and also you actually can make the thread hard to read through your constant, often ill-reasoned spam reminicient of my own play years back. You are going to be wrong on SnB, your reasoning is inherently flawed and based on meta thinking and omgus, and you need to have a fresh perspective that doesn't inherently judge things you disagree with as scum. | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: debears is also mafia because he refuses to comment on my case on SnB. He knows i am right. He is not defending SnB, he is attacking someone else instead. He also said some time ago that's exactly what mafia does. This is absolutely horrible reasoning, first you cannot know anyone is right or anything is scum day one, and from what I've read before (I believe) SnB posts again, your reasoning is way mis-tuned. You say he reads you differently than in Aperture, I don't see how that's a problem at all or warrants you calling him scum. I fail to see how you make the generalization: 1.He's lying (could have easily changed/different perspectives in different contexts) And then to add to that: 2. You're confident enough in your generalization that he is even >10% scum. I'm going to stop addressing you now until I make my post. | ||
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I think Zealos is hugely duspicious and worthy of a lynch. He comes in and says he won't contribute, but gives bland reasoning that shows he's not actually interested in helping town. On September 13 2013 21:50 Zealos wrote: That's my name IRL. I haven't posted much, that is true, but I have had a busy few days from college, and tbh, I find Day 1's a bit of a clusterfuck anyway. I much prefer to look things over once a couple of people are dead. Not a great excuse, but eh. Trying to play "don't care townie" card On September 13 2013 21:55 Zealos wrote: I don't really know how I can prove that I'm town at this point. I would argue that SnB looks Scummy, while I just look useless, so logic dictates that killing SnB is the best for today, then deciding on me tomorrow, after a bit more time has passed. If he was town, he would be saying he doesn't even need analysis that shouldn't even be a question. I also agree with this statement of blub in regards to Zealos. On September 13 2013 22:13 blubbdavid wrote: I do not like the fact that Zealos is jumping on the wagon so quickly, without much analysis. Rayn, it may make sense that you feel offended by SnB's posting, but him questioning your meta is not helpful for scum except for making the main speaker (which you are) look bad. As he said on his big post, he is undecided about you. The only thing I could hold against him is that he wants to see Panda dead. On September 14 2013 02:49 Zealos wrote: I'm pretty sure "starting on" the least active player in the game is a safe bet as scum, just saying~ Also, pls guys, my name is above my posts and at the start of the game. ZEALOS /=/ Zealous : D This is like 4 pages later? Showing he still follows thread but note he hasn't contributed shit so far at all. I think zealous is suspicious, I think WoS is suspicious, Oats is supsicious(trying to do lynch which isn't going to happen) . I don't know if blub is really bad, but I can't exactly say he's playing scummy. It seems like a typical "man this guy isn't making any logical sense" lynch into oh shit he's town. Kush so far hasn't contributed shit. Sorry, hasn't done literally anything. Has admitted he doesn't want to do read the thread, shows he doesn't care, and shows that in the future he won't care. He will be annoying to deal with and town WILL eventually lynch him later if we don't lynch him today. Instead we should lynch the person who we're going to end up lynching for the same reasons anyway now; deal with blubbers later when we obtain more information, and play it safe. SnB isn't scum, blubbers seems bad but not certain enough for scum. Zealos also seems scum but again I think we need more information. Two flips(assuming two kp although there might be three) tomorrow will grant us more than enough information to lynch someone. | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:49 Koshi wrote: Also. I am certain that Kush is not scum. Please remove votes from him. Pandain? Old Partner? He seems scum to me because contrary to what you guys say is his "dont' give a shit" style, he attempted to become townie, probably because he can't just yolo away and fuck himself if he is scum. Still hasn't done anything, and while this is circumstantial the fact that no real support for an obvious lynch like this is indicative that there's not a bandwagon. Instead actually the two most logical people are the ones supporting this. Isn't that weird? | ||
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SnB will result in town, if you guys lynch him than the only good thing that will happen is you will realize to listen to me for once. We can win this game if we play it safe and smart, rely around obtaining information and then good scum-hunting. I advocate lynching Kush because town has to deal with him eventually and it'll result in a lynch anyway of him later on. | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:58 Papa_Smurf wrote: My main problem is that he said "ill read and make reads" Then says "I won't do it don't have time", but continues to post stupid shit Then votes GK, who was never in the main discussion for lynch, and whom also got replaced. Kush is usually in the main thick of things as town (despite how good or bad his contributions are), which he isn't doing at all here He also seems, as evidenced by his post two above, that he honestly doesn't care(doesn't make sense if he's town), or he's trying to seem like he doesn't care and thus justify an anti-town playstyle (makes sense if scum, not if town). | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you explain hoe kushmasta is "unreadable" or whatever you think? I think kushmasta has contributed way more to the game than SnB has. Uh he hasn't contributed like at all. That's a lie. Look at his filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427569&user=kushm4sta¤tpage=2 Also SnB is clearly busy, that is why he isn't posting and is true regardless if he is scum or not. You are tunneled and need to try and play smart scum-hunting rather than desperate scum-hunting. On September 14 2013 05:00 Koshi wrote: Pandain Oats plays solo as town. He never consolidates and picks his target. He ends up being the only one voting for a person a lot. I remember Titanic. Kush you are seriously going to ask people to vote for you? Can I reveal who I think you are? Maybe, not sure given he's only posted like three times, just he played a bit suspicious so far and gave a vote which doesn't make sense even from an uninformed town aspect. Of course he could just have skimmed fast and made poor decisions, or have another opinion on the case he hasn't elaborated on yet. On September 14 2013 05:00 kushm4sta wrote: also it's day 1 wheni never have any clue whats going on. Well shit you're certainly then not going to catch up on these 50 pages. On September 14 2013 05:02 Koshi wrote: Hmm, with 4 scummers I would like to consolidate on a target. Also Pandain you think there will be 3 flips in the night??? Wtf SK, Vigi and Scum? I assume scum has 2-3 KP. That's most we can objectively tell considering 1 or 4 is a heavily imbalanced game. On September 14 2013 05:03 kushm4sta wrote: k ima vote for blubbers night all Isn't giving a shit trying to find scum. | ||
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You said he will play like this always, ok then we're going to lynch him later for being unproductive. A vig shot is wasteful and assumes we have a vig. Instead we can lynch players like blub later when we have more information and can raise that, as you said 5% chance, to possibly a 20% or even a 1%. Kush also is clearly not blue given the fact he just peaced without possibly claiming. | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:08 Papa_Smurf wrote: Btw I am willing to vote kush as long as it's for certain SnB will not be lynched I agree with this general sentiment. | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:13 Papa_Smurf wrote: I'm starting to get there on a scum read on him, but it's not certain. If he is town, I want him because, hell, hapa apparently really respects his play so he might be some good. Kush/Blubb (mainly kush) have a much better chance of flipping I don't think he's scum yet. Or rather, I think it's a possibility but given other people who I think are scum (WoS for general uselessness despite contributing, Oats for bad vote as I said, and Zealous), it's hard to say he's objectively more scummy. I think, as is obviously true, we will be way more knowledgeable on where everyone stands after this lynch. Sudden bandwagon on Original Person despite no real talk on it? Holy shit what the fuck. He at least doesn't make this thread hard to read. He at least is contributing and has shown he will contribute. He at least will be able to analyze later. If the order in which we could lynch is OP-Kush and Kush-OP, than I would rather it be Kush-OP, given the fact that the reasons which are inevitably going to be lynching kush are on his play he has already shown. And sorry Rayn, he isn't going to make a sudden scumslip like you hope, and you can't expertly analyse him. I don't want to seem like I'm way confident kush is scum, but I'm far more comfortable lynching him than Bubbles or OP who we can analyze after tommorow night. It's by far the better option with rolechecks and flips. | ||
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*why are people retarded* *it is clear OP isn't mafia, there's no active resistance to his lynch* *It's going so well* *he also isn't spamming and will contribute* *also why do people vote him and then say peace out without any analysis* *why are people retarded* | ||
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