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On August 30 2013 03:07 debears wrote: Still, that leaves other questions:
- why has his scumhunting been lacking? - why does he have a 95% town read on you on day 1? - why is he speculating on the third party?
Those 3 things are still scum oriented, even if you discount his weird defending himself against you.
(1) Because since I've woken up and read the thread I've been having to respond to dumb posts from you and yamato. (2) Because rayn is playing very townie and I'm good at reading people. (3) It was the fucking third post of the game for god's sake. In the second post of the game, Sn0 speculates on two scumteams and that's ok, but when I point out in the third post that there might be a third party it makes me scum? Sheesh.
Yes i can tear apart your post in full within 7 hours. Gotta find some mafia first. See (1)
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On August 30 2013 03:35 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 03:18 sciberbia wrote:On August 30 2013 03:07 debears wrote: Still, that leaves other questions:
- why has his scumhunting been lacking? - why does he have a 95% town read on you on day 1? - why is he speculating on the third party?
Those 3 things are still scum oriented, even if you discount his weird defending himself against you. (1) Because since I've woken up and read the thread I've been having to respond to dumb posts from you and yamato. (2) Because rayn is playing very townie and I'm good at reading people. (3) It was the fucking third post of the game for god's sake. In the second post of the game, Sn0 speculates on two scumteams and that's ok, but when I point out in the third post that there might be a third party it makes me scum? Sheesh. Yes i can tear apart your post in full within 7 hours. Gotta find some mafia first. See (1) 1) That wasnt the case yesterday. My first posts against you were just little liners with no explanation. You weren't scumhunting then. They took very little response. You also chose to not ignore someone you said to ignore instead of scumhuntings. 2) Lol. Even the best make mistakes. A 95% town read on someone is not town oriented day 1. There is only 1 possible town explanation for that. I'm not going into that right now because you shouldn't say that in that 1 situation anyways. 3) You made two posts on the third party shit. That's weird(aka scummy) as fuck. Ill wait for the full rebuttal though, esp on the interaction with you and dos raynp
This is literally just getting ridiculous.
1) How much scumhunting do you expect me to do in the first 6 hours of the game? You're being completely unreasonable. Before i went to bed, i stated my top 3 scumreads and gave reasons why. I also stated my opinions on TK's and rayn's alignments -- again with reasons why. I literally commented on everything that I found interesting in the first 6 hours, and then I went to bed. What the fuck do you want me to do? Make up some bullshit case about some dumb post on the first page and tunnel someone into the ground? Sorry to let you down but I just couldn't find any great scumtells in the first 4 pages. Didn't realize that's a crime.
2) So 85% is acceptable but 95% is ludicrous? I was not aware that there is some line in the sand that I'm not allowed to cross. Idk your obsession with this just seems like the dumbest thing ever to me.
3) THE SECOND POST ON IT WAS BECAUSE RAYN SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN THE FIRST POST ON IT. my god. I can only assume you weren't even reading rayn's post. Do you see me bringing up third party speculation all over the thread? No -- I really don't give a fuck. I made a passing comment as the second post of the game and then rayn asked me why I posted that which obviously then led to me mentioning it again.
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On August 30 2013 03:59 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 03:58 yamato77 wrote: Scib will be added to the post with debears Yam: "Im only reading 2 people" Thread: "thats retarded we should vig you" Yam: "JK I'm reading everybody who is a subject of discussion or has made a serious case post so far" Thats one hell of a 180. I mean, I'm glad its happening but its a big change of heart. lolol thanks Sn0_Man. I needed that.
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@debears Stop talking to me. My read on you is either really annoying scum or extremely dumb town. I think I'm leaning dumb town. Honestly if you are town, you should be grateful as fuck I'm not scum or I'd be mislynching the shit out of you right now.
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@hopeless1der 1) What was your genuine read on TK after his very first post of the game in which he voted rayn? Null, slightly scummy, scummy? 2) Why is the following not a plausible explanation for TK's actions: First TK votes rayn for no reason cuz random bullshit phase. Then TK sees rayn doing some pretty confusing shit so asks him to explain. Then TK realizes that rayn is probably town for drawing attention and that his questions to rayn are going nowhere, so he retracts his vote and moves on with his life.
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@hapa re sylencia I was gonna say the same thing marv just said about it being understandable not to have a lot to see about three players that I just out-of-the-blue asked him to give a quick opinion on. That doesn't bother me so much.
I did notice his back-flip on the sn0_man read because he disagreed with me but then later stole my exact argument. I'm a little torn on whether this is more likely a town move or scum move. It would be a puzzling move for scum to so blatantly contradict themselves, but at the same time his explanation of it from a townie perspective is equally puzzling to me.
Overall, I've noted that his posts have a tone of just being generally agreeable and he is just sort of being here in the thread, which I tend to associate with scum. Onegu has the same sort of feel but I get the same gut-town feel that you do -- Onegu feels more genuine to me and feels like he's trying to help.
Sylencia leaning scum I guess. Not as much as you though.
I'm feeling by a good margin that hopeless is the best lynch right now, but I want to give it a few more hours before making a post on him.
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On August 30 2013 07:25 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 07:23 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 30 2013 07:20 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 07:19 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 30 2013 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tutankoopa wanna lynch Sylencia? No. I already said earlier that his posts seem innocent enough. What posts in particular seem "innocent?" Also, what do you make of the contradiction I pointed out in his filter? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387¤tpage=27#522 Are we attacking people for dropping contradictions? Yeah it's odd, but not much more than that. It's not even the most glaring of contradictions. Contradictions aren't always scummy, but I think this one is. I really can't map out a town thought-process in what he did. It seems like he forgot he defended Sn0, then attacked him instead when pressed for reads. You're correct that the town thought-process is hard to see there. But it's also hard for me to believe that he read sn0's filter, gave a null read, then five hours later read the same exact filter, forgot he had given a null read, and then gave a town read.
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EBWOP and then gave a scum read
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@yamato I don't blame marv one bit for admonishing your early play. You essentially called rayn dumb and tried to start a policy wagon, then singled out marv for not doing anything and voted him, scolded town for not knowing how to play the game, and made a post about how everyone besides marv/hapa isn't worth paying attention to. I didn't take kindly to it either.
Hell for all I know you are right about one or both of them but I see absolutely no reason to lynch them today. They have both been very constructive in discussion over the past couple of hours and show all indication of contributing towards a good lynch.
Who do you actually want to lynch today? Because a marv/hapa lynch would not fly with my nor with several other people I'd imagine, so I suggest you look into other candidates such as sylencia and hopeless and make your voice heard there.
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On August 30 2013 08:54 Hapahauli wrote: @ Sciberia
Can you post the thoughts you had on Hopeless? It looks like he kinda vanished on us, so it'll give us something to discuss in civility in the meantime.
Sure I'd be glad to. I agree mostly with what you have written about him, but have a couple things to add/emphasize.
1) Hopeless's defense of his vote on TK sounds too much to me like a justification of himself and not enough like an argument why TK is scum.
+ Show Spoiler [hopeless] +On August 30 2013 05:52 Hopeless1der wrote: My reasons for voting TK do not (nor have they ever) hinged upon the fact that he sheeped yamato's "policy" vote. Every time TK tries to respond to me, he says "but i wasnt really going to push him". No shit sherlock (insert sarcastic responses here). On August 30 2013 06:13 Hopeless1der wrote: marv, you are the only one to come remotely close to commenting on my actual reasons for voting TK. Hapa has taken the same reason I call TK scum to call TK town. You essentially agree with Hapa. He is currently trying to round-about his way to explaining that to me, but i simply disagree with you two about the implications of changing your mind so suddenly. On August 30 2013 06:24 Hopeless1der wrote: Town anyone should have followed through with the questions to rayn instead of citing "this is stupid" and jumping ship with their vote in tow. If he'd have allowed for even one more post from rayn before unvoting I probably wouldnt be here, but I interpret his actions as being scared to have his vote parked, lest someone (me...) think he was serious about wanting to lynch rayn. That's a wholly scum motivated thought process based on thread context at the time of his unvote imo.
Hopeless has stuck to his "strong scumread" on TK but it doesn't seem to bother him too much that people like hapa/marv/myself are now quite sympathetic towards TK. I feel like from a townie there should be saying something like "Guys this is why he's scum. Why can't you see it? God this is so frustrating. Nobody believes me." I don't see any of this attitude in his filter.
Instead his tone comes off more as "it's ok with me if you guys interpret TK's actions as town, but please accept my scummy interpretation as valid too so my vote looks justified".
Basically I just do not feel like he is really trying to convince people that TK is scum, and one of the biggest defining traits of townies is that they fight tooth and nail to convince other townies of their best scum reads. Look at yamato and debears for contrast. I'm not saying they're necessarily town, but they don't take kindly to being disagreed with about their top scum reads.
2) Subtle contradiction / shift in emphasis At the beginning of the game, hopeless seems to be trying to make TK's first vote look bad: + Show Spoiler [hopeless] +On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote: I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote: I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? 1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts. 2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote: actually nvm rayn
##unvote just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated. "Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno...
Hopeless doesn't outright say it, but he went out of his way to mention how TK's vote was a "sheep on some uknown policy" rather than a "troll vote" and then he says the vote post wasn't "completely damning" which implies it is still somewhat damning.
But recently he says he had no problem at all with the initial troll vote from TK and that his read on TK was a total null following that vote. It doesn't really match up for me, and this is the type of subtle shift that I believe is a fairly reliable scumtell.
3) More minor point, but overall hopeless's lack of activity, lack of initiative in talking about anyone other than TK, and lack of any townie sparks that i can discern make me feel more comfortable in voting him.
##Vote Hopeless1der
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On August 30 2013 09:30 Hapahauli wrote: Sold.
##Vote Hopeless1der
lol so I was feeling all good about myself that you liked my post but then I thought what if hapa is scum and just asked me to write about hopeless so he had an excuse to get the wagon rolling. Surely you wouldn't be that devious, right? Surely...
On August 30 2013 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can someone explain to me why Tutankhamon is town? All i have heard is that he asked me 3 questions and then unvoted me and that makes him seem like a bright guy. I do not see anything in his filter that is even close to scumhunting. I don't see anything in his filter that is even close to giving out a decent scumread. I don't actually see anything in his filter that is giving out decent ANY read.
@rayn I wouldn't say TK is def town but i think it's definitely more likely than not. Here are a few points from my own filter and marv's filter. I'll let marv or someone answer to the rest of your post because marv seems to be the biggest TK fan in town.
On August 29 2013 09:43 sciberbia wrote: However, I very much like his response to my prodding. The fact that he deemed his questions to rayn a waste of time and decided to ignore rayn indicates a more townie thought process. Also the fact that he spontaneously changed direction over the course of three minutes is a point in his favor.
On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote: rayn, I said to remind me to comment on that post of yours after Tutan came back, so anyways. It was about him mentioning Oats at the start of the post and rescinding it at the end of the post. You seemed to be quite suspicious of that but to me it seems like a natural flow of consciousness. I don't see how that can be seen as anything worse than null, and is probably a towntell.
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What do you guys think of Oats? Maybe it's partly because he did the vast majority of his posting while I was sleeping, but he seems very 'under the radar' to me. I have no good reasons to think he's town, and a few parts of his filter make me raise my eyebrows:
-- insistence that TK is scum based solely on his opening rayn vote and posting some wishy wash reads. This just seems like a very easy case for Oats to make and could be easily fabricated. I don't see any spark of analytical insight, which I think I'm correct in expecting from a town Oats. + Show Spoiler [oats insisting] +On August 29 2013 08:21 Oatsmaster wrote: tutankoopa scum ## vote tuntankoopa On August 29 2013 08:38 Oatsmaster wrote: not gonna post for the next 10+ hours, have fun guys.
lynch tuntokoppa dude. On August 29 2013 18:48 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 18:44 marvellosity wrote:On August 29 2013 18:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 29 2013 18:42 marvellosity wrote: He sounds like I often sound on day 1, especially at the beginning
anyway i'm not gonna defend the dude for him, but i'm not really interested in talking about him either DID YOU EVEN READ HIS FILTER???? what the fuck is wrong with you? He doesnt sound like you sound unless you sound like totally uncommital, talking about useless shit and posting the most wishy washy post ever and generally playing like super scum. Im am completely confused at your insistence that he is totally town. On August 29 2013 18:41 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote: Bout to head out for a few hours. For now all that really bothers me is hopeless, yamato, and oats in that specific order. Everything else seems fairly harmless and I'm not seeing much scumminess in the rayn/scib/whoever debate. I'm worried about yamato because what he's posted so far could very easily be mafia taking a dump in the thread and throwing bad looks at people who smell his shit. There's nothing I can pinpoint in Hopeless' filter, but a few of his posts have given me weird vibes. I guess I'm not convinced that he really thinks I or anyone else could be mafia. I just now looked at Oat's filter and I was unable to see what I thought I saw earlier, so scratch him from my list.
My guess at who's mafia is 1 out of, but probably not both hopeless/yamato, and the rest are people that haven't posted. Like this post just wiggles all around the place and he takes no hard stances throughtout the game so far. On August 29 2013 19:01 Oatsmaster wrote:I exaggerate a ton man, do you not know that? Yeah tuntokon doesnt seem bad at mafia, so why is he doing all these bad things? Thats kinda why I think he's scum.
-- speaking of easy criticisms, he repeatedly criticizes rayn, which would be fine if he ever went somewhere with it, but he doesn't, and in fact outright says he doesn't think rayn is scum, so why all the criticisms? To try to make rayn look bad? Why? + Show Spoiler [criticisms] +On August 29 2013 08:29 Oatsmaster wrote: you voted for him after his single post. What the fuck rayn. On August 29 2013 08:35 Oatsmaster wrote: I have no fucking idea why you would vote for someone then 5 minutes later say that they are town. NO CLUE. Also that post doesnt make him scum or town. Remember Titanic? On August 29 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats a horrible way to find a day 1 lynch Rayn.
Marv wanna lynch Rayn? On August 29 2013 21:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Its the attitude rayn. you dont understand, its fine. On August 29 2013 21:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 29 2013 21:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Its the attitude rayn. you dont understand, its fine. Could you be more specific because i really do not understand? Picking a day 1 lynch by process of elimination is horrible. On August 29 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 22:54 marvellosity wrote:On August 29 2013 22:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 29 2013 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats can you make a case on me if you think i am scum? I would really like your thought process gathered together in a well-construced post. nah. By "nah" do you mean "i can't really think of a good reason he's scum, but i thought i'd say shit for no reason anyway" ? shit like I think PoE is a horrible method for lynch day 1? By "nah" I mean, I dont think rayn is scum. On August 29 2013 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote: hey rayn, why did you vote for sno? I still dont get it.
I will be very interested to see where he goes next since it seems he has been sleeping/busy since this game really got rolling, but for now he is another one I'm leaning scum on.
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@hapa Can you explain how the events of a couple of pages ago made you think that yamato is town?
Like I see how his egotism and brashness are townie traits, but I don't feel extremely comfortable about everyone giving a steadfast townread to a guy that didn't do anything for 24 hours, then made two imo questionable scum reads, and then in the matter of an hour was talked out of those scum reads and into town reads by the subjects of his reads themselves, for no particularly great reason that I can discern from his filter. So all in all I don't see anything in his filter that makes me think he is town except his odd egotism and brashness, which I am not totally convinced he could not imitate as scum.
How confident are you he wouldn't pull a stunt like that as scum? It seems you/marv have a ton of prior experience with yamato which I do not share.
To be clear I'm leaning town on yamato myself but I'd just like to feel better about this read if possible and see where hapa is coming from on this one. Nothing else really to talk about at the moment.
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On August 30 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote: 1 Why is this a scum tell? The people you talk about are vets, and he has pushed his scum read even though people other people disagree with him, although he hasnt done it well, I have done the same thing as town in GoT, I made a case and when people I considered vets disagreed I didnt push it as hard anymore but I never dropped my scumread on him (he was scum btw :p) I think this should be null
Hm I really have no idea about the relative 'veteran status' levels of debears, yamato, and Hopeless1der and would have assumed they were similar but maybe I was wrong.
Your anecodote does make me feel more sympathetic. Grrr... Yea not sure. I'm sure I'll spend plenty of time thinking about hopeless tmrw and don't feel like doing any more now.
I'm signing out for now. G'night guys.
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Man he was replaced... K...
hrm. I feel less good about a hopeless/alakazam lynch than i did yesterday. Guess I'll reread hopeless/oats/onegu/sylencia and try to find something new or something I missed.
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So I just read throgh Onegu and Syl.
Onegu No way in hell we are lynching Onegu today (or ever I'd imagine). He repeatedly brings valid new ideas to the thread in a way I doubt he would as scum, and he seems to really believe in them. Also he hasn't been afraid to disagree with people. I'd pull out examples but I have more important stuff to do.
Sylencia Sylencia would be a meh lynch. I wouldn't feel great about it but he's definitely on the scummy side of null for me. The most interesting thing I noticed while perusing his filter is that he chose to give an analysis on TK as well as give some thoughts on debears and FirmTofu, dropped his vote on Onegu and went to bed, without ever giving a read or any of his own thoughts on the hopeless wagon, which up until recently looked very strong. If i was going to lynch him for one reason, it would probably be that.
@hapa re Oats Well you saw my post from last night where I talked about how I was leaning scum on him from his first day of posting. And your very recent post on him looks very enticing indeed. I think an Oats lynch is a very real possibility. I'm gonna go reread his filter now.
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On August 31 2013 04:04 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 03:58 sciberbia wrote: ...
Sylencia Sylencia would be a meh lynch. I wouldn't feel great about it but he's definitely on the scummy side of null for me. The most interesting thing I noticed while perusing his filter is that he chose to give an analysis on TK as well as give some thoughts on debears and FirmTofu, dropped his vote on Onegu and went to bed, without ever giving a read or any of his own thoughts on the hopeless wagon, which up until recently looked very strong. If i was going to lynch him for one reason, it would probably be that. ... Ummm... that doesn't sound "meh" to me. Completely avoiding commenting on the main wagon to go and fuck-off on a lynch-bait player with little chance of getting lynched is absurdly scummy. Well when you put it that way it does sound more promising. I was just starting to feel good about an Oats lynch though.
Anyway, I will unvote for now since sylencia and oats are starting to look like better lynches to me than the replacement.
##unvote
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OK rayn due to your vehement request, I reread TK's filter and I've conducted a fairly thorough investigation into this TK 'lie' you are referring to.
I maintain that there is no lie, TK could most certainly be town, and I still don't see any good reason to lynch him today.
First of all, he was correct in saying this
You couldn't even wait for Hopeless to respond before you interrupted and started asking questions.
See this sequence of quotes for reference+ Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote: I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? On August 29 2013 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: wait wait. What was the policy in your mind? On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote: I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? 1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts. 2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote: actually nvm rayn
##unvote just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated. "Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno...
Second of all, his story checks out. He said he didn't get the damning response for Hopeless that he was fishing for, so there was no reason to follow up on his questions to hopeless.
But he still didn't like that he had to explain why he asked those questions, because it gave away one of his scumhunting strategies to the scumteam.
On August 30 2013 22:54 Tutankoopa wrote: Rayn, this is a perfect example of how being spammy can be bad, even if you're asking OK questions. You really shouldn't expect people to give you every single reasoning behind their every line of questioning. When I asked those questions I had specific goals in mind, and it is counterproductive for you to ask me to talk about things that I'd rather the mafia team not hear. Even when the theory I'm working with doesn't pan out, I'm still going to want to keep my motives under warp a while longer. As soon as someone fully explains a question, that question and similar strategies lose their scumhunting potential for the rest of the game.
I'm open to you explaining why my explanation of TK's statements doesn't make sense, but I cannot see any problem with his story.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 31 2013 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 05:08 sciberbia wrote:OK rayn due to your vehement request, I reread TK's filter and I've conducted a fairly thorough investigation into this TK 'lie' you are referring to. I maintain that there is no lie, TK could most certainly be town, and I still don't see any good reason to lynch him today. First of all, he was correct in saying this You couldn't even wait for Hopeless to respond before you interrupted and started asking questions. See this sequence of quotes for reference + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote: I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? On August 29 2013 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: wait wait. What was the policy in your mind? On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote: I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? 1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts. 2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote: actually nvm rayn
##unvote just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated. "Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno... Second of all, his story checks out. He said he didn't get the damning response for Hopeless that he was fishing for, so there was no reason to follow up on his questions to hopeless. But he still didn't like that he had to explain why he asked those questions, because it gave away one of his scumhunting strategies to the scumteam. On August 30 2013 22:54 Tutankoopa wrote: Rayn, this is a perfect example of how being spammy can be bad, even if you're asking OK questions. You really shouldn't expect people to give you every single reasoning behind their every line of questioning. When I asked those questions I had specific goals in mind, and it is counterproductive for you to ask me to talk about things that I'd rather the mafia team not hear. Even when the theory I'm working with doesn't pan out, I'm still going to want to keep my motives under warp a while longer. As soon as someone fully explains a question, that question and similar strategies lose their scumhunting potential for the rest of the game. I'm open to you explaining why my explanation of TK's statements doesn't make sense, but I cannot see any problem with his story. No sciberbia. I asked Tutankhamon what he thought the policy was, because i did not understand the question to Hopeless (why the fuck would you think i would have asked him that otherwise?). The bolded part you quote and what you say about it is bs, he uses the phrase "a while longer", that does not mean he has some "ultimate scumhunting methods" and he is cleary referring to this situation, as he says later in his post: "Anyways, as the ship sailed already, here is my answer"...... Are you scum? @rayn I totally understand why you asked TK the question you did, but you cannot dispute the fact that you did in fact start asking TK questions about his hopeless post before hopeless had a chance to answer. This IMO means TK did not lie to you.
I don't think the stuff that I bolded is complete BS. I sympathize with what he is saying. He was fishing for a damning response from Hopeless. He didn't get it, but he still didn't want to explain what he was fishing for, because then all the fish would leave and he would never be able to catch another fish with the same fishing rod.
If you're right about him rayn then he has me fooled. I'm leaning town on him and I don't want to lynch him today. I need to figure out who I want to lynch so I'm done talking about TK for now -- he can defend himself. I'll be open to persuasion again tomorrow.
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And I'd appreciate it if you didn't call me scum for actually looking through your filters, seeing what you're talking about, and explaining why I don't think it makes TK scum, which nobody else has been willing to do.
For people that leave Oats off their list of willing to lynch, why is that?
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