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@TK
Can you respond to my last post regarding Oats?
+ Show Spoiler [last post] +On September 02 2013 12:48 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 12:44 Tutankoopa wrote:
He said he thought I'm town because he thought he knew who I am. Do you think this is a justification that scum would make up? It suggests that he was trying to figure out my alignment. I believe he was talking to marv. Can you quote the post you're talking about? I don't remember reading anything of the sort.
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On September 02 2013 13:48 Tutankoopa wrote:
Hapa are you in the thread? Lets figure each other out and get this over with.
I'm doing some work so I'll be in and out. Though you're not someone I'm looking to lynch as of now.
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On September 02 2013 14:28 sciberbia wrote:@TK Can you respond to my last post regarding Oats? + Show Spoiler [last post] +On September 02 2013 12:48 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 12:44 Tutankoopa wrote:
He said he thought I'm town because he thought he knew who I am. Do you think this is a justification that scum would make up? It suggests that he was trying to figure out my alignment. I believe he was talking to marv. Can you quote the post you're talking about? I don't remember reading anything of the sort.
On August 30 2013 22:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv who is Tutan dude?
On August 29 2013 20:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
marv knows who Tuten is.
On August 30 2013 22:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
So if I can prove that Tutan is town, is hopeless still town rayn?
It's not stated explicitly, but the first two posts show that oats was focused on my identity. Going so far as to suggest he can prove I'm town made me wonder if he stumbled upon some tell that made him very confident in his town read. What I quoted strikes me as a town motivated series of posts.
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On September 02 2013 13:59 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 13:50 Onegu wrote:On September 02 2013 13:45 Tutankoopa wrote:On September 02 2013 13:36 Onegu wrote:
Tutan I had a slight town read earlier but his case on me didnt make much sense to me as I pushed one of my scum reads and he attacked me for that, I am back to null on him. Why do our interactions remind me of the awkward silence of public bathrooms? With how I've been talking about you since N1, it seems like you'd have a lot more to say to me than you have. Considering how I've spent most of my time since N1 trying to get you lynched I expect to see some emotion from you, maybe anger or annoyance. You say you're null on me. What are you currently doing to figure out my alignment? First I dont get angry in these games much as either alignment, and I thought I posted a bunch on your case against me in our back in forth and then you dropped it not me. And I am going to go everyones filter today and update my reads. I just finished up with my kids so I am starting now with the filter diving. Yeah we talked about it, but I reached a point where I had to either accept that you thought FT was likely mafia, or decide I don't believe you. I don't believe you, so I don't know if that line of inquiry is still productive. Right now I am most interested in your read on me, specifically how it's changed from the very start of N1 until now.
@TK
Also we have reached the crux of the matter regarding your case on Onegu. I find it quite believable that Onegu would think FirmTofu is likely scum based on the posts (or lack thereof) that were in FirmTofu's filter.
In my last game, Smurf Mini, we lynched JPwertee partially for insisting that another player was almost definitely scum based on the singular post in the filter. JPwertee was town (and he was right).
Also I think Onegu is town based off a bunch of other stuff in his filter.
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On September 02 2013 14:43 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 13:59 Tutankoopa wrote:On September 02 2013 13:50 Onegu wrote:On September 02 2013 13:45 Tutankoopa wrote:On September 02 2013 13:36 Onegu wrote:
Tutan I had a slight town read earlier but his case on me didnt make much sense to me as I pushed one of my scum reads and he attacked me for that, I am back to null on him. Why do our interactions remind me of the awkward silence of public bathrooms? With how I've been talking about you since N1, it seems like you'd have a lot more to say to me than you have. Considering how I've spent most of my time since N1 trying to get you lynched I expect to see some emotion from you, maybe anger or annoyance. You say you're null on me. What are you currently doing to figure out my alignment? First I dont get angry in these games much as either alignment, and I thought I posted a bunch on your case against me in our back in forth and then you dropped it not me. And I am going to go everyones filter today and update my reads. I just finished up with my kids so I am starting now with the filter diving. Yeah we talked about it, but I reached a point where I had to either accept that you thought FT was likely mafia, or decide I don't believe you. I don't believe you, so I don't know if that line of inquiry is still productive. Right now I am most interested in your read on me, specifically how it's changed from the very start of N1 until now. @TK Also we have reached the crux of the matter regarding your case on Onegu. I find it quite believable that Onegu would think FirmTofu is likely scum based on the posts (or lack thereof) that were in FirmTofu's filter.
As stated earlier I'm going to agree to disagree
On September 02 2013 14:43 sciberbia wrote:
In my last game, Smurf Mini, we lynched JPwertee partially for insisting that another player was almost definitely scum based on the singular post in the filter. JPwertee was town (and he was right).
Also I think Onegu is town based off a bunch of other stuff in his filter.
Lets go into that.
As stated earlier I'm going to agree to disagree
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EBWOP:
On September 02 2013 14:46 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 14:43 sciberbia wrote:On September 02 2013 13:59 Tutankoopa wrote:On September 02 2013 13:50 Onegu wrote:On September 02 2013 13:45 Tutankoopa wrote:On September 02 2013 13:36 Onegu wrote:
Tutan I had a slight town read earlier but his case on me didnt make much sense to me as I pushed one of my scum reads and he attacked me for that, I am back to null on him. Why do our interactions remind me of the awkward silence of public bathrooms? With how I've been talking about you since N1, it seems like you'd have a lot more to say to me than you have. Considering how I've spent most of my time since N1 trying to get you lynched I expect to see some emotion from you, maybe anger or annoyance. You say you're null on me. What are you currently doing to figure out my alignment? First I dont get angry in these games much as either alignment, and I thought I posted a bunch on your case against me in our back in forth and then you dropped it not me. And I am going to go everyones filter today and update my reads. I just finished up with my kids so I am starting now with the filter diving. Yeah we talked about it, but I reached a point where I had to either accept that you thought FT was likely mafia, or decide I don't believe you. I don't believe you, so I don't know if that line of inquiry is still productive. Right now I am most interested in your read on me, specifically how it's changed from the very start of N1 until now. @TK Also we have reached the crux of the matter regarding your case on Onegu. I find it quite believable that Onegu would think FirmTofu is likely scum based on the posts (or lack thereof) that were in FirmTofu's filter. As stated earlier I'm going to agree to disagree Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 14:43 sciberbia wrote:
In my last game, Smurf Mini, we lynched JPwertee partially for insisting that another player was almost definitely scum based on the singular post in the filter. JPwertee was town (and he was right).
Also I think Onegu is town based off a bunch of other stuff in his filter. Lets go into that.
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On September 02 2013 14:42 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 14:28 sciberbia wrote:@TK Can you respond to my last post regarding Oats? + Show Spoiler [last post] +On September 02 2013 12:48 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 12:44 Tutankoopa wrote:
He said he thought I'm town because he thought he knew who I am. Do you think this is a justification that scum would make up? It suggests that he was trying to figure out my alignment. I believe he was talking to marv. Can you quote the post you're talking about? I don't remember reading anything of the sort. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 22:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
So if I can prove that Tutan is town, is hopeless still town rayn?
It's not stated explicitly, but the first two posts show that oats was focused on my identity. Going so far as to suggest he can prove I'm town made me wonder if he stumbled upon some tell that made him very confident in his town read. What I quoted strikes me as a town motivated series of posts.
@TK
I really doubt he knows who you are and he definitely didn't write or imply that anywhere in the thread. I'm pretty sure his thoughts about your identity have nothing to do with why he 'thinks' you are town. If they did he would have said so when I pressed him for reasons why you are "obv town" to him.
And yea it made me wonder too which is why i pressed him to explain why he is so confident you are town, but he didn't point to anything I found very believable. Go back and reread our conversation. He doesn't mention anything about your identity.
I don't see how this is a towntell at all. It's just irrelevant.
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I have reason to suspect that Oats would be capable of making connections like I suggested. I guess I need to hear from him about exactly what those posts were trying to accomplish.
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On September 02 2013 13:59 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 13:50 Onegu wrote:On September 02 2013 13:45 Tutankoopa wrote:On September 02 2013 13:36 Onegu wrote:
Tutan I had a slight town read earlier but his case on me didnt make much sense to me as I pushed one of my scum reads and he attacked me for that, I am back to null on him. Why do our interactions remind me of the awkward silence of public bathrooms? With how I've been talking about you since N1, it seems like you'd have a lot more to say to me than you have. Considering how I've spent most of my time since N1 trying to get you lynched I expect to see some emotion from you, maybe anger or annoyance. You say you're null on me. What are you currently doing to figure out my alignment? First I dont get angry in these games much as either alignment, and I thought I posted a bunch on your case against me in our back in forth and then you dropped it not me. And I am going to go everyones filter today and update my reads. I just finished up with my kids so I am starting now with the filter diving. Yeah we talked about it, but I reached a point where I had to either accept that you thought FT was likely mafia, or decide I don't believe you. I don't believe you, so I don't know if that line of inquiry is still productive. Right now I am most interested in your read on me, specifically how it's changed from the very start of N1 until now.
You mean day 1 I didnt call you town n1, and the reason you became null to me is because your case against me was based on something that I dont really consider a scumtell. And it makes me wonder why you are pushing my lynch on something that isnt really a scumtell. But I more interested in lynching people who just basicly sheeped your case on me, alakaslam and syl. Rayn as sk but he isnt a priority now.
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On September 02 2013 14:55 Tutankoopa wrote:
I have reason to suspect that Oats would be capable of making connections like I suggested. I guess I need to hear from him about exactly what those posts were trying to accomplish.
I literally was drilling him to explain why he back-flipped on you. If he is town he surely would have given any reason he has. He didn't say anything about your smurf identity or "making connections" (not really sure what you mean by this). Please do press him to explain when you get the chance.
On September 02 2013 14:46 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 14:43 sciberbia wrote:
Also I think Onegu is town based off a bunch of other stuff in his filter. Lets go into that.
I'll go through Onegu's filter now and explain to you why I think he's town.
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On September 02 2013 15:01 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 13:59 Tutankoopa wrote:On September 02 2013 13:50 Onegu wrote:On September 02 2013 13:45 Tutankoopa wrote:On September 02 2013 13:36 Onegu wrote:
Tutan I had a slight town read earlier but his case on me didnt make much sense to me as I pushed one of my scum reads and he attacked me for that, I am back to null on him. Why do our interactions remind me of the awkward silence of public bathrooms? With how I've been talking about you since N1, it seems like you'd have a lot more to say to me than you have. Considering how I've spent most of my time since N1 trying to get you lynched I expect to see some emotion from you, maybe anger or annoyance. You say you're null on me. What are you currently doing to figure out my alignment? First I dont get angry in these games much as either alignment, and I thought I posted a bunch on your case against me in our back in forth and then you dropped it not me. And I am going to go everyones filter today and update my reads. I just finished up with my kids so I am starting now with the filter diving. Yeah we talked about it, but I reached a point where I had to either accept that you thought FT was likely mafia, or decide I don't believe you. I don't believe you, so I don't know if that line of inquiry is still productive. Right now I am most interested in your read on me, specifically how it's changed from the very start of N1 until now. You mean day 1 I didnt call you town n1, and the reason you became null to me is because your case against me was based on something that I dont really consider a scumtell. And it makes me wonder why you are pushing my lynch on something that isnt really a scumtell. But I more interested in lynching people who just basicly sheeped your case on me, alakaslam and syl. Rayn as sk but he isnt a priority now.
What I'm look for is basically a transcript of your brain's inner monologue while you were reading my case against you. Simple saying that it made you read me as "null" is so boring...
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On September 02 2013 15:08 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 15:01 Onegu wrote:On September 02 2013 13:59 Tutankoopa wrote:On September 02 2013 13:50 Onegu wrote:On September 02 2013 13:45 Tutankoopa wrote:On September 02 2013 13:36 Onegu wrote:
Tutan I had a slight town read earlier but his case on me didnt make much sense to me as I pushed one of my scum reads and he attacked me for that, I am back to null on him. Why do our interactions remind me of the awkward silence of public bathrooms? With how I've been talking about you since N1, it seems like you'd have a lot more to say to me than you have. Considering how I've spent most of my time since N1 trying to get you lynched I expect to see some emotion from you, maybe anger or annoyance. You say you're null on me. What are you currently doing to figure out my alignment? First I dont get angry in these games much as either alignment, and I thought I posted a bunch on your case against me in our back in forth and then you dropped it not me. And I am going to go everyones filter today and update my reads. I just finished up with my kids so I am starting now with the filter diving. Yeah we talked about it, but I reached a point where I had to either accept that you thought FT was likely mafia, or decide I don't believe you. I don't believe you, so I don't know if that line of inquiry is still productive. Right now I am most interested in your read on me, specifically how it's changed from the very start of N1 until now. You mean day 1 I didnt call you town n1, and the reason you became null to me is because your case against me was based on something that I dont really consider a scumtell. And it makes me wonder why you are pushing my lynch on something that isnt really a scumtell. But I more interested in lynching people who just basicly sheeped your case on me, alakaslam and syl. Rayn as sk but he isnt a priority now. What I'm look for is basically a transcript of your brain's inner monologue while you were reading my case against you. Simple saying that it made you read me as "null" is so boring...
Ok again you used a case against me that isnt a scum tell, while its not scummy it def not towny therefore null.
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Again I think it is scummy for the people to sheep that case without adding anything. Slam and syl.
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@TK
Why I think Onegu is town
His posts are blunt and direct. He isn't wishy/washy. When asked something, he doesn't skirt around the issue but addresses the question head on and makes it clear where he stands.
+ Show Spoiler [examples] +On August 29 2013 20:02 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 19:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh @ Onegu
You have two posts commenting on reads so far, but you haven't given any concrete opinions. You've criticized several statements/posts so far but haven't offered anything of your own. Do you have any strong reads any which way right now? Yes I am leaning scum on dabears, guess I should have been more clear on that if I had to choose . Also from the whole sn0 thing and how rayne reacted made me feel town on him. FT needs to get back in here as he has done nothing. I also agree with rayne that sn0s post is townie. On August 30 2013 02:22 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote:
I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them.
First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours.
What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note.
Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town.
If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later. I actually agree with this post alot, and it gives me heavy town read from yamato, as I have only played with him being mafia and he had zero posts like this. I dont know thier meta as well as alot of people, but I do like how hapa called me out with reasons, while marv just said I would be the second person he would lynch because he doesnt know where I am going. On August 30 2013 14:56 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 14:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you all caught up Onegu? What do you make of the recent cases on Syl and Hopeless?
What do you make of the interaction between myself/marv/yamato a couple of pages before? Still working on catching up on everything my son woke up so I took a break to feed him. Will go through filters on syl and hopeless and post in depth thought. As for the whole you/marv/yamato thing, seems null all the way around in those posts, could see it all the way from either alignment. So I am keeping my first reads as Yamato as town you null to slight town, marv null to slight scummy. On August 30 2013 15:46 Onegu wrote:Ok I got it, I think you are null to slightly town I dont see what hopeless found scummy in you. I think hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum. For example this post by you Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 00:37 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Tutankoopa i would like you to explain a couple of things: On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? How does the bolded part make sense? If Hopeless did not understand the "policy", why is it wrong for him to call my play stupid? What did he need to explain? To me his thought process makes sense. 1. He's been acting weird about the policy lynch on rayn, attacking me as if he seriously thought that I was dead set on lynching yamato in my first post of the game. 2. Calls rayn's play stupid afterwards. Calling somebody's play "stupid" while not expressing a scum read on them implies you having a town, or at least not scum read on them. It seemed fake, as if the whole time he's had extra information, and he knows rayn is town and is subconsciously using that to justify his case on people who accuse rayn. On August 29 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 29 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
Bout to head out for a few hours. For now all that really bothers me is hopeless, yamato, and oats in that specific order. Everything else seems fairly harmless and I'm not seeing much scumminess in the rayn/scib/whoever debate. I'm worried about yamato because what he's posted so far could very easily be mafia taking a dump in the thread and throwing bad looks at people who smell his shit. There's nothing I can pinpoint in Hopeless' filter, but a few of his posts have given me weird vibes. I guess I'm not convinced that he really thinks I or anyone else could be mafia. I just now looked at Oat's filter and I was unable to see what I thought I saw earlier, so scratch him from my list.
My guess at who's mafia is 1 out of, but probably not both hopeless/yamato, and the rest are people that haven't posted. What's your thought process between starting and finishing this post? Did you read Oats filter between writing the post? Why? In the start of the post you say something, then you say another thing at the end of it. Why would you not read the whole thread before posting so you are on top of things and not need to change your opinion in the same post? Yes I had read his filter and I changed my mind on a reread. Editing takes effort. I've read everything else in the thread but I don't have anything to say about any of it. I liked your response and thought you were clear amd agree with the rayne thing. Also when people went after you for posting before being caught up is dumb I do it all the time and had no real problem with it. On August 30 2013 17:56 Onegu wrote:
This post got me off of debears as a lynch canidate for the time being, I dont see scum saying they dont read the thread. While its not concrete and I dont agree with his hopeless read. At this point I dont think he is a good day one one lynch as I believe hopeless and FT are better lynches at this point. On September 02 2013 13:36 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 12:51 Hapahauli wrote:On September 02 2013 12:48 Onegu wrote:
Hey I habe been thinking about the rayn and debears thing, and its possible one of then IS the SK. SK normally have one shot immune or green to checks and I have seen them have both also. Somfor example scum shoots SK debears who is immune and SK debears shoots Vet rayn. Doesnt this make a bit moe sense then 2 town vets? And since no one has claimed vig yet its more likely a SK or Maf vig. We should know tonight though. I suppose that's possible, however I wouldn't risk lynching into either today. I'm more interested in hearing your scum-reads Onegu. We've heard so little from you this game. My main two are alakaslam and syl. I liked the case on hopeless then alakaslam has done nothing to change that thought as he has lurked and spammed, and I have made my points on syl and he hasnt responded to them at all. I am leaning town on oats, this is basicly how he has always played as town in the games I have been with him in but its always difficult to get a solid read on him. After the post by yamato that I really liked he has been like the only person to try to figure out your and marvs alignment which makes me lean town on him. That being said everything he has said about you I cant figure out you or marv, null on both of you. Debears I believe and he is the closest thing I have confirmed town I believe his claims and he has played pro town. Rayn is likely SK or town I dont see him flipping scum as he has been playing way out there and he didnt really do that in GoT as scum but made plays like this in NWM as town with fake claims, his vet claim is most likely legit but doesnt mean his alignment. Tutan I had a slight town read earlier but his case on me didnt make much sense to me as I pushed one of my scum reads and he attacked me for that, I am back to null on him. sn0 I would like him to answer the questions I put to him about his alakaslam lynch thoughts. And scib Im not sure going to look at his filter soon.
He isn't afraid to take unpopular opinions, call people out for bullshit, or disagree with vocal posters.
+ Show Spoiler [examples] +On August 29 2013 18:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 15:58 FirmTofu wrote:13 idiots walk into a bar. Story of Idiot #1: + Show Spoiler +ONE asks for a glass of water. The bartender pulls out a revolver and points it at the idiot. The idiot says, "Thank you" and walks out of the bar.
Why? This post supposed to mean something? You said you were reading the thread then you post this? On August 29 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 19:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
debears was apparently drunk hapa, does that help in understanding his posts? Cause I totally dont get debears 2nd post that you quoted. I know you are asking hapa but like I said before, that is just something that can be hidden behind as an excuse for bad posts. Him being drunk shouldnt change the read of him, a bad post is a bad post. On August 30 2013 02:16 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 30 2013 01:52 Tutankoopa wrote:Hopeless, look me in the eye and tell me that you think this post... On August 29 2013 08:19 Tutankoopa wrote:
##vote: raynpelikoneet
what's the policy? ...implies a serious intent to lynch. If it doesn't, your entire case against me falls apart. How long are you going to keep pretending like you have a real case? Welp theres my case falling apart guys. He got me. I'll go die of dehydration now. This is all you got? Either drop the sarcasm and make a response that is actually a counterpoint. Or if not sarcasm move on to something else. Not he got me. On August 30 2013 02:22 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote:
I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them.
First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours.
What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note.
Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town.
If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later. I actually agree with this post alot, and it gives me heavy town read from yamato, as I have only played with him being mafia and he had zero posts like this. I dont know thier meta as well as alot of people, but I do like how hapa called me out with reasons, while marv just said I would be the second person he would lynch because he doesnt know where I am going. On August 30 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
@sciberbia
1 Why is this a scum tell? The people you talk about are vets, and he has pushed his scum read even though people other people disagree with him, although he hasnt done it well, I have done the same thing as town in GoT, I made a case and when people I considered vets disagreed I didnt push it as hard anymore but I never dropped my scumread on him (he was scum btw :p) I think this should be null
On August 31 2013 03:38 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.
For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.
Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum. It shouldnt matter he is a replacement, sorry you replaced someone who is scummy tough luck. And why does a FT lynch waste the day? It gets rid of someone who has a good chance at being scum, and its not like everything was wasted the discusion that was made today is still valid.
He brings interesting new insight/analysis to the thread, and has demonstrated that he is reading and analyzing filters.
+ Show Spoiler [examples] +On August 30 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
@sciberbia
1 Why is this a scum tell? The people you talk about are vets, and he has pushed his scum read even though people other people disagree with him, although he hasnt done it well, I have done the same thing as town in GoT, I made a case and when people I considered vets disagreed I didnt push it as hard anymore but I never dropped my scumread on him (he was scum btw :p) I think this should be null
On August 31 2013 03:34 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 17:16 Sylencia wrote:Alright, here's my current views: FT: Easily a decent lynch option here, generally you follow a declaration of presence with something, but he's gone mia for the last day. I'd support a lynch on FT. Tutan: I'm reading up on him and the reasoning behind the votes behind him. I disagree with Hopeless's reasons and while Oats's accusations can make sense, it follows the same reasoning that if Tutan's sheep was a joke, the case around him kind of falls apart: On August 29 2013 20:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
It didnt read to me as a joke AT all and he never mentions that its a joke.
I said that mafia generally do not draw attention to themselves. Tuken was not proposing a policy lynch, he was just following yamato. So thats not too attention drawing. Also if I didnt push him and all that, we would not be talking about him at all. So he didnt draw attention to himself. His vote was in the first hour, and is his vote any worse than Hopeless's vote which sheeped yours? If you apply it to one, it should apply to the other right? Basically, I don't feel comfortable with a Tutan lynch - unless I missed something (I am not reading rayn's filter). More soonish Says he is ok with a FT lynch here. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 21:25 Sylencia wrote:On August 30 2013 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa:
- I can't see any direction in his play
- When i ask about his motives behind his actions he sums up what he did, not why he did (which is what i am asking). Multiple times.
- He has apparently no reads at all. Would you say this is better or worse than what I see from Onegu (who I believe you say you have a town read on): - No real direction in his play - He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering - Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker. To me, this seems worse, so I'm interested to see why this comes off differently. Reading what came in the last page when my friends and I stop dotaing Gives reasons for voteing me here without point out any posts. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 22:48 Sylencia wrote:On August 30 2013 22:43 yamato77 wrote:
I have to find a lynch candidate before I sleep.
give me bullet point on the case on hopeless, not going to reread to find it Between FT/Hopeless/Onegu which would you vote for? I think you mentioned FT being decent, but is it better than the other 2? Again says he is ok with a FT lynch Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 00:36 Sylencia wrote:
Need to sleep, ##Vote Onegu
I mentioned it before
- No real reads since the case on debears dropped
- Pushes on FT for an easy lurker lynch - gives him no reason to have to make a case
- His posts have had some quantity with no quality to it.
I think it's worse than Tutan, and I don't have much meta on Onegu so it's pretty neutral in that respect. Now look at the second line of why I am scummy. And I gave reasons for him being a good lynch, ie lurking, his scum meta for calling out rayne. Scy looks like he is just comeimg after me as a easy lynch target without any solid reasons other than sheeping what other people have points out about me. I would be ok with a scy lynch, but for the time being FT needs to die, and alakaslam has done nothing to change my read off of hopeless. I am ok with any of these three lynches. On September 01 2013 23:01 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 23:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
TBH I'm not sure who is a better vote than Alakaslam right now anyway. I'm willing to lynch oats but I feel like that its more intelligent to leave him around a bit longer, get more info out of him.
Sylencia is another option, although apart from his very early stuff that has been done to bits I don't see what else would incriminate him.
I'm not sure who else is a real candidate. Onegu is playing as I expect him to, which might be unfortunate but really doesn't make me want to lynch him. None of Marv/Hapa/Yam are remotely lynchable at this point. Sciberbia picked it up a ton.
Actually reading Tofu makes me plenty happy to lynch him, although at the same time I really question a scummer posting that lol.
I don't think koopa is a real lynch. If nothing else he's been reasonable to rayn, quite above and beyond the call. Which leaves bears but I once again feel that he deserves at least another day.
TL;DR: I still wanna lynch Alakaslam.
PS: maybe it wasn't clear, but I read most of yesterday and essentially never bothered posting once hapa got going because he was saying pretty much everything I thought about the thread. Only substantially more eloquently. Sn0 you go from this to. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 23:54 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 30 2013 23:50 yamato77 wrote:
##Vote: FirmTofu
Heads or Tails? I'm actually getting more interested in taking this approach, mostly to be fair to alakaslam since replacing in as the prime lynch candidate with 8 hours to lynch is horrendously unfair. This and then back to Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 05:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well as far as I'm concerned all of a sudden we have too many reasonable lynches lol (aka our votes are spread already :/).
Syl/FT/Alakaslam are all people I'd lynch plus we have a fair portion tunnelled on koopa.
Since not having my vote on anybody makes it a bit harder for consolidation, I'm going to
##Vote: Alakaslam
however I'm currently quite willing to be convinced on any of those 3. Why did you have the middle post? On September 02 2013 12:48 Onegu wrote:
Hey I habe been thinking about the rayn and debears thing, and its possible one of then IS the SK. SK normally have one shot immune or green to checks and I have seen them have both also. Somfor example scum shoots SK debears who is immune and SK debears shoots Vet rayn. Doesnt this make a bit moe sense then 2 town vets? And since no one has claimed vig yet its more likely a SK or Maf vig. We should know tonight though.
I could probably have found a few more examples but I think I have enough for you to see what I'm talking about.
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On September 02 2013 15:22 sciberbia wrote:@TK Why I think Onegu is town His posts are blunt and direct. He isn't wishy/washy. When asked something, he doesn't skirt around the issue but addresses the question head on and makes it clear where he stands. + Show Spoiler [examples] +On August 29 2013 20:02 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 19:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh @ Onegu
You have two posts commenting on reads so far, but you haven't given any concrete opinions. You've criticized several statements/posts so far but haven't offered anything of your own. Do you have any strong reads any which way right now? Yes I am leaning scum on dabears, guess I should have been more clear on that if I had to choose . Also from the whole sn0 thing and how rayne reacted made me feel town on him. FT needs to get back in here as he has done nothing. I also agree with rayne that sn0s post is townie. On August 30 2013 02:22 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote:
I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them.
First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours.
What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note.
Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town.
If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later. I actually agree with this post alot, and it gives me heavy town read from yamato, as I have only played with him being mafia and he had zero posts like this. I dont know thier meta as well as alot of people, but I do like how hapa called me out with reasons, while marv just said I would be the second person he would lynch because he doesnt know where I am going. On August 30 2013 14:56 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 14:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you all caught up Onegu? What do you make of the recent cases on Syl and Hopeless?
What do you make of the interaction between myself/marv/yamato a couple of pages before? Still working on catching up on everything my son woke up so I took a break to feed him. Will go through filters on syl and hopeless and post in depth thought. As for the whole you/marv/yamato thing, seems null all the way around in those posts, could see it all the way from either alignment. So I am keeping my first reads as Yamato as town you null to slight town, marv null to slight scummy. On August 30 2013 15:46 Onegu wrote:Ok I got it, I think you are null to slightly town I dont see what hopeless found scummy in you. I think hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum. For example this post by you Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 00:37 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Tutankoopa i would like you to explain a couple of things: On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? How does the bolded part make sense? If Hopeless did not understand the "policy", why is it wrong for him to call my play stupid? What did he need to explain? To me his thought process makes sense. 1. He's been acting weird about the policy lynch on rayn, attacking me as if he seriously thought that I was dead set on lynching yamato in my first post of the game. 2. Calls rayn's play stupid afterwards. Calling somebody's play "stupid" while not expressing a scum read on them implies you having a town, or at least not scum read on them. It seemed fake, as if the whole time he's had extra information, and he knows rayn is town and is subconsciously using that to justify his case on people who accuse rayn. On August 29 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 29 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
Bout to head out for a few hours. For now all that really bothers me is hopeless, yamato, and oats in that specific order. Everything else seems fairly harmless and I'm not seeing much scumminess in the rayn/scib/whoever debate. I'm worried about yamato because what he's posted so far could very easily be mafia taking a dump in the thread and throwing bad looks at people who smell his shit. There's nothing I can pinpoint in Hopeless' filter, but a few of his posts have given me weird vibes. I guess I'm not convinced that he really thinks I or anyone else could be mafia. I just now looked at Oat's filter and I was unable to see what I thought I saw earlier, so scratch him from my list.
My guess at who's mafia is 1 out of, but probably not both hopeless/yamato, and the rest are people that haven't posted. What's your thought process between starting and finishing this post? Did you read Oats filter between writing the post? Why? In the start of the post you say something, then you say another thing at the end of it. Why would you not read the whole thread before posting so you are on top of things and not need to change your opinion in the same post? Yes I had read his filter and I changed my mind on a reread. Editing takes effort. I've read everything else in the thread but I don't have anything to say about any of it. I liked your response and thought you were clear amd agree with the rayne thing. Also when people went after you for posting before being caught up is dumb I do it all the time and had no real problem with it. On August 30 2013 17:56 Onegu wrote:
This post got me off of debears as a lynch canidate for the time being, I dont see scum saying they dont read the thread. While its not concrete and I dont agree with his hopeless read. At this point I dont think he is a good day one one lynch as I believe hopeless and FT are better lynches at this point. On September 02 2013 13:36 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 12:51 Hapahauli wrote:On September 02 2013 12:48 Onegu wrote:
Hey I habe been thinking about the rayn and debears thing, and its possible one of then IS the SK. SK normally have one shot immune or green to checks and I have seen them have both also. Somfor example scum shoots SK debears who is immune and SK debears shoots Vet rayn. Doesnt this make a bit moe sense then 2 town vets? And since no one has claimed vig yet its more likely a SK or Maf vig. We should know tonight though. I suppose that's possible, however I wouldn't risk lynching into either today. I'm more interested in hearing your scum-reads Onegu. We've heard so little from you this game. My main two are alakaslam and syl. I liked the case on hopeless then alakaslam has done nothing to change that thought as he has lurked and spammed, and I have made my points on syl and he hasnt responded to them at all. I am leaning town on oats, this is basicly how he has always played as town in the games I have been with him in but its always difficult to get a solid read on him. After the post by yamato that I really liked he has been like the only person to try to figure out your and marvs alignment which makes me lean town on him. That being said everything he has said about you I cant figure out you or marv, null on both of you. Debears I believe and he is the closest thing I have confirmed town I believe his claims and he has played pro town. Rayn is likely SK or town I dont see him flipping scum as he has been playing way out there and he didnt really do that in GoT as scum but made plays like this in NWM as town with fake claims, his vet claim is most likely legit but doesnt mean his alignment. Tutan I had a slight town read earlier but his case on me didnt make much sense to me as I pushed one of my scum reads and he attacked me for that, I am back to null on him. sn0 I would like him to answer the questions I put to him about his alakaslam lynch thoughts. And scib Im not sure going to look at his filter soon. He isn't afraid to take unpopular opinions, call people out for bullshit, or disagree with vocal posters. + Show Spoiler [examples] +On August 29 2013 18:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 15:58 FirmTofu wrote:13 idiots walk into a bar. Story of Idiot #1: + Show Spoiler +ONE asks for a glass of water. The bartender pulls out a revolver and points it at the idiot. The idiot says, "Thank you" and walks out of the bar.
Why? This post supposed to mean something? You said you were reading the thread then you post this? On August 29 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 19:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
debears was apparently drunk hapa, does that help in understanding his posts? Cause I totally dont get debears 2nd post that you quoted. I know you are asking hapa but like I said before, that is just something that can be hidden behind as an excuse for bad posts. Him being drunk shouldnt change the read of him, a bad post is a bad post. On August 30 2013 02:16 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 30 2013 01:52 Tutankoopa wrote:Hopeless, look me in the eye and tell me that you think this post... On August 29 2013 08:19 Tutankoopa wrote:
##vote: raynpelikoneet
what's the policy? ...implies a serious intent to lynch. If it doesn't, your entire case against me falls apart. How long are you going to keep pretending like you have a real case? Welp theres my case falling apart guys. He got me. I'll go die of dehydration now. This is all you got? Either drop the sarcasm and make a response that is actually a counterpoint. Or if not sarcasm move on to something else. Not he got me. On August 30 2013 02:22 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote:
I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them.
First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours.
What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note.
Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town.
If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later. I actually agree with this post alot, and it gives me heavy town read from yamato, as I have only played with him being mafia and he had zero posts like this. I dont know thier meta as well as alot of people, but I do like how hapa called me out with reasons, while marv just said I would be the second person he would lynch because he doesnt know where I am going. On August 30 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
@sciberbia
1 Why is this a scum tell? The people you talk about are vets, and he has pushed his scum read even though people other people disagree with him, although he hasnt done it well, I have done the same thing as town in GoT, I made a case and when people I considered vets disagreed I didnt push it as hard anymore but I never dropped my scumread on him (he was scum btw :p) I think this should be null
On August 31 2013 03:38 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.
For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.
Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum. It shouldnt matter he is a replacement, sorry you replaced someone who is scummy tough luck. And why does a FT lynch waste the day? It gets rid of someone who has a good chance at being scum, and its not like everything was wasted the discusion that was made today is still valid. He brings interesting new insight/analysis to the thread, and has demonstrated that he is reading and analyzing filters. + Show Spoiler [examples] +On August 30 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
@sciberbia
1 Why is this a scum tell? The people you talk about are vets, and he has pushed his scum read even though people other people disagree with him, although he hasnt done it well, I have done the same thing as town in GoT, I made a case and when people I considered vets disagreed I didnt push it as hard anymore but I never dropped my scumread on him (he was scum btw :p) I think this should be null
On August 31 2013 03:34 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 17:16 Sylencia wrote:Alright, here's my current views: FT: Easily a decent lynch option here, generally you follow a declaration of presence with something, but he's gone mia for the last day. I'd support a lynch on FT. Tutan: I'm reading up on him and the reasoning behind the votes behind him. I disagree with Hopeless's reasons and while Oats's accusations can make sense, it follows the same reasoning that if Tutan's sheep was a joke, the case around him kind of falls apart: On August 29 2013 20:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
It didnt read to me as a joke AT all and he never mentions that its a joke.
I said that mafia generally do not draw attention to themselves. Tuken was not proposing a policy lynch, he was just following yamato. So thats not too attention drawing. Also if I didnt push him and all that, we would not be talking about him at all. So he didnt draw attention to himself. His vote was in the first hour, and is his vote any worse than Hopeless's vote which sheeped yours? If you apply it to one, it should apply to the other right? Basically, I don't feel comfortable with a Tutan lynch - unless I missed something (I am not reading rayn's filter). More soonish Says he is ok with a FT lynch here. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 21:25 Sylencia wrote:On August 30 2013 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa:
- I can't see any direction in his play
- When i ask about his motives behind his actions he sums up what he did, not why he did (which is what i am asking). Multiple times.
- He has apparently no reads at all. Would you say this is better or worse than what I see from Onegu (who I believe you say you have a town read on): - No real direction in his play - He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering - Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker. To me, this seems worse, so I'm interested to see why this comes off differently. Reading what came in the last page when my friends and I stop dotaing Gives reasons for voteing me here without point out any posts. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 22:48 Sylencia wrote:On August 30 2013 22:43 yamato77 wrote:
I have to find a lynch candidate before I sleep.
give me bullet point on the case on hopeless, not going to reread to find it Between FT/Hopeless/Onegu which would you vote for? I think you mentioned FT being decent, but is it better than the other 2? Again says he is ok with a FT lynch Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 00:36 Sylencia wrote:
Need to sleep, ##Vote Onegu
I mentioned it before
- No real reads since the case on debears dropped
- Pushes on FT for an easy lurker lynch - gives him no reason to have to make a case
- His posts have had some quantity with no quality to it.
I think it's worse than Tutan, and I don't have much meta on Onegu so it's pretty neutral in that respect. Now look at the second line of why I am scummy. And I gave reasons for him being a good lynch, ie lurking, his scum meta for calling out rayne. Scy looks like he is just comeimg after me as a easy lynch target without any solid reasons other than sheeping what other people have points out about me. I would be ok with a scy lynch, but for the time being FT needs to die, and alakaslam has done nothing to change my read off of hopeless. I am ok with any of these three lynches. On September 01 2013 23:01 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 23:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
TBH I'm not sure who is a better vote than Alakaslam right now anyway. I'm willing to lynch oats but I feel like that its more intelligent to leave him around a bit longer, get more info out of him.
Sylencia is another option, although apart from his very early stuff that has been done to bits I don't see what else would incriminate him.
I'm not sure who else is a real candidate. Onegu is playing as I expect him to, which might be unfortunate but really doesn't make me want to lynch him. None of Marv/Hapa/Yam are remotely lynchable at this point. Sciberbia picked it up a ton.
Actually reading Tofu makes me plenty happy to lynch him, although at the same time I really question a scummer posting that lol.
I don't think koopa is a real lynch. If nothing else he's been reasonable to rayn, quite above and beyond the call. Which leaves bears but I once again feel that he deserves at least another day.
TL;DR: I still wanna lynch Alakaslam.
PS: maybe it wasn't clear, but I read most of yesterday and essentially never bothered posting once hapa got going because he was saying pretty much everything I thought about the thread. Only substantially more eloquently. Sn0 you go from this to. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 23:54 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 30 2013 23:50 yamato77 wrote:
##Vote: FirmTofu
Heads or Tails? I'm actually getting more interested in taking this approach, mostly to be fair to alakaslam since replacing in as the prime lynch candidate with 8 hours to lynch is horrendously unfair. This and then back to Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 05:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well as far as I'm concerned all of a sudden we have too many reasonable lynches lol (aka our votes are spread already :/).
Syl/FT/Alakaslam are all people I'd lynch plus we have a fair portion tunnelled on koopa.
Since not having my vote on anybody makes it a bit harder for consolidation, I'm going to
##Vote: Alakaslam
however I'm currently quite willing to be convinced on any of those 3. Why did you have the middle post? On September 02 2013 12:48 Onegu wrote:
Hey I habe been thinking about the rayn and debears thing, and its possible one of then IS the SK. SK normally have one shot immune or green to checks and I have seen them have both also. Somfor example scum shoots SK debears who is immune and SK debears shoots Vet rayn. Doesnt this make a bit moe sense then 2 town vets? And since no one has claimed vig yet its more likely a SK or Maf vig. We should know tonight though. I could probably have found a few more examples but I think I have enough for you to see what I'm talking about.
I don;t feel the same away about the first group of posts. His passivity is what's throwing me off. I agree about some of the posts from the 2nd group, but there are a few that look like he's pretending to play bad cop and not doing a convincing job of it. FT's post about 13 guys is just objectively stupid, everyone knows it even FT himself. I don't give people town credit for pointing out the obvious. I agree about the last set of quotes.
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@TK
I was just rereading some Oats stuff and stumbled upon this which I thought you'd find interesting.
On September 01 2013 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
I thought FT's miminal posting made him scum.
So unless you are going to reverse your read on Oats, you must concede that it's possible for a townie to think FT was scum based on his posting, right?
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Ah Scribs you are my little gentleman.
Who don't we agree on with reads so far?
Like what do you think of Marv? Town, Scum, Null?
Maybe we will actually disagree there
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Also, seeing as I've been drinking a little, I would like to say something to scum if they did indeed rb and shoot me.
THe fuck is wrong with you guys? I haven't play this shit in 3 months (i think). Especially if, in some odd circumstance, marv and hapa are town. If marv and hapa are scum, guess I'd understand (shit only game I was nked night 1 before this was when marv was scum and I caught the scum city resident Adam)
Then, if somehow Ranyp be town too, why in the fuck would you target both of us. ]
I DECLARE SHENANIGANS ON SCUM
I just have this lingering feeling we have some town 2 shot vig that shot me. How sad I would be to know my play be that bad  .
Anyways, with the thread wavering on Oats, Slamming Sammy, and such, I see new reason to keep scuba diving in Marv's filter.
Under the sea, under the sea
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On September 02 2013 05:50 marvellosity wrote:Alright, there's really a couple of things I want cleared up/answered before I progress. Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 17:32 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok.
I have something to figure out.
Either Raynepelikoneet or Oatsmaster is scum.
It is 1:30 I must sleep. But I will say why and then go
I am cannon fodder vt.
Oats votes me
Raynepelikoneet knows I'm town.
Which is town more likely to do given the ambiguous target on my back? Paint me town or lead a mislynch on me?
Or towncred vs mislynch what is more valuable to scum.
See y'all tomorrow. First of all, this is like the 5th VT claim. I don't like it at all. Trying too hard. Slam, you need to explain this oats/rayn dichotomy asap. It feels like a significant contribution is always somehow just around the corner. Secondly, I got the distinct impression from your posts on Day 1 that you found Tutenkhamun suspicious, by your repeated mentions of "rayn is on the right track". Given this, where do you stand on Tuten now? Seems to have just disappeared into the ether? Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 19:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol since when am I lazy as scum?
Ok let me make up a reason for TK to be town that is insightful.
Uhhh.
TK is town because he has been giving good insight to the thread (QUOTED POST HERE)
Yeah he is pushing dudes based on original thinking and like being useful and Caring about who dies.
You know, caring about who dies is actually a very good towntell because scum only care that a town gets lynched.
Oats, are you really arguing you're not lazier as scum than town? Come on. That's pushing the bounds of credibility here and you know it. Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 20:36 Sylencia wrote:
I see Oats as more lazy/sheep at the moment. I don't really understand the jump from scum Tutan to town Tutan that much, but if he is scum there's going to be a lot more holes we uncover in the future, since that's pretty sloppy scum play if it is. That's why I'm not really satisfied with him being the primary target of the lynch when we have Alakaslam and the rayn v debears unresolved situation. Rayn will come back tomorrow saying "Sorry I was drunk last night, ignore everything I said", which honestly doesn't help us with his read on him, and Alakaslam:
Still on Oats... to the bolded, how many 'holes' do you need to call him scum? sciberbia has pointed out a few already, do you need 10? 20? Do holes = scum? To the underlined, doesn't that much more characterise his scumplay than his townplay? Answers on a postcard please. oh, and yamato, your breakdown of my post from months ago is totes adorbs btw.
The reason I think it is important is because I am cannon fodder .
I figure you don't wan to see me "claim" again, so I won't write . It is still there but it is invisible.
Anyway, scum knows I'm , and no all that skilled at defense or any such stuff. So I am an easy target to paint for a mislynch. However I am also someone to gain towncred from, by suddenly and inexplicably discerning that I am town and later allowing me to be lynched, so actually they could both be scum and ahh shit WIFOM and it seems to break down.
But is there anything to this? Why does Raynepelikoneet think I'm town? Why does Oatsmaster think I'm scum? But that has become why do so many agree with him?
Tutankoopa has become a null read with Raynepelikoneet seeming less awesomely clairvoyant town to me. I haven't read him, and when I replaced I had no time to make any read.
So I left my vote on him because Raynepelikoneet didn't like him. But Raynepelikoneet dropped targets too quick and I'm more suspicious of him now actually.
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On September 02 2013 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: Alakaslam
His read change on me makes zero sense.
Fish man. I will OMGUS likely
What do you mean zero sense you OMGUS too
I be OMGUS your OMGUS
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