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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 02 2013 17:12 Alakaslam wrote: Fish man. I will OMGUS likely What do you mean zero sense you OMGUS too I be OMGUS your OMGUS So I left my vote on him because Raynepelikoneet didn't like him. But Raynepelikoneet dropped targets too quick and I'm more suspicious of him now actually. Explain to me how i "drop targets too quick"? | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On September 02 2013 17:35 sciberbia wrote: @alakaslam Yamato looks like scum to me because
But I'd be more interested in hearing your thoughts on other people than further thoughts on yamato. I'd love it if you could find someone you think is scummy. Thanks for the follow-up explanation by the way. That was more helpful. 1) I'm limited in my time, period. My scum games look inactive because I care about teh game even less than I do now. That said, I have A LOT of time today to do some real scumhunting, now that I'm off work. 2) lolol whatever. I, as town, don't necessarily always throw reads out into the blue either. But I do have them, and for the most part, you know my read on every player in the game, just not particularly why I read them that way. 3) Means absolutely nothing. I'm wishy-washy about Hapa/Marv/Oats because I've read them wrong so many times in the past. The rest of you are just fucking mind boggling. 4) I backed off Marv because he was acting the way he used to when I accused him. Very good reason. I haven't actually backed all the way off Hapa, in fact, I'm actually going to do extensive reading of old games between the two of us. 5) "Finding good lynches" doesn't mean anything. I find mafia. FT was a perfectly good lynch for D1 because there was so much uncertainty regarding so many players that time was needed to let the thread develop. Basically everything was 50/50. 6) I am being useful. I will be exponentially more useful soon. It is not illogical to find Hapa's weaksauce push of me suspicious because it is suspicious. It's like he's afraid to actually call me mafia and push for my lynch. Harkens back to Duel Mini where he was mafia and pussy footed around the issue the whole game. Going to compare the two and see if memory serves. So, after I get back from the store and read Hapa's filter in Duel (plus maybe RTP for a vice-versa comparison), I will let you all know what I think. But Hapa calling me mafia since last night and then defaulting to lynching Slam is fucking SUSPICIOUS. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 01 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote: TK, what are your thoughts on the claims by Debears and Rayn? As for Onegu, I really don't understand your case against him. Onegu apparently thought FT was scum, and his explanation about it (having played a ton of games with a visibly different town FT) makes sense. What precludes Onegu from finding multiple players suspicious and voting his top scumread (FT)? Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either.. That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu? | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
On September 02 2013 05:50 marvellosity wrote: Still on Oats... to the bolded, how many 'holes' do you need to call him scum? sciberbia has pointed out a few already, do you need 10? 20? Do holes = scum? To the underlined, doesn't that much more characterise his scumplay than his townplay? Answers on a postcard please. It's not the number of holes, its the size of the hole that matters. If Oats not explaining a 180 on a town read is a mild hole, there's bound to be something bigger later. I'm just not fully convinced that he's scum because he's lazy and didn't explain it. As for Oat's scumplay I don't remember the last time I was scum with him. I'm sure I was in at least 1, but that was probably the newbie game where he claimed named VT? On September 01 2013 23:13 Onegu wrote: Not really again you never really pointed anything specific out you just voted me and left. And I dont understand the sentiment that someone being lynched that wagon should just stop because they were replaced. What, I made the very concise statement about your play at the time: - No real direction in his play - He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering - Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker. When I was comparing it with what rayn said about Tutan. Looked bad then and I wasn't going to be around for the deadline. And no, wagons don't stop because of a replacement but I was under the expectation that Alakaslam would either improve his image or be lynched. Fresh player with a completely different style makes for semi-easy confirmation about townieness. In this case, he's still be super useless and has literally dodged any attempt to make a case. Again: On August 31 2013 13:14 Alakaslam wrote: BUT I'm vt. So if you don't want me to spam I can slow it down. Asking for reads though? Better be satisfied with "oats is town, Raynepelikoneet is town, ONEGU is town, I am town, and marv is null." Will have to do. I am too nervous to lead a mislynch, and I can't reason why anything is scummy. My WIFOM scale is as broad as the pacific, everything is WIFOM to me. On September 01 2013 17:32 Alakaslam wrote: Ok. I have something to figure out. Either Raynepelikoneet or Oatsmaster is scum. It is 1:30 I must sleep. But I will say why and then go I am cannon fodder vt. Oats votes me Raynepelikoneet knows I'm town. Which is town more likely to do given the ambiguous target on my back? Paint me town or lead a mislynch on me? Or towncred vs mislynch what is more valuable to scum. See y'all tomorrow. How does this even happen? On September 02 2013 17:09 Alakaslam wrote: The reason I think it is important is because I am cannon fodder . I figure you don't wan to see me "claim" again, so I won't write . It is still there but it is invisible. Anyway, scum knows I'm , and no all that skilled at defense or any such stuff. So I am an easy target to paint for a mislynch. However I am also someone to gain towncred from, by suddenly and inexplicably discerning that I am town and later allowing me to be lynched, so actually they could both be scum and ahh shit WIFOM and it seems to break down. But is there anything to this? Why does Raynepelikoneet think I'm town? Why does Oatsmaster think I'm scum? But that has become why do so many agree with him? Tutankoopa has become a null read with Raynepelikoneet seeming less awesomely clairvoyant town to me. I haven't read him, and when I replaced I had no time to make any read. So I left my vote on him because Raynepelikoneet didn't like him. But Raynepelikoneet dropped targets too quick and I'm more suspicious of him now actually. So his reasoning for his read is based on what another player thinks. But wait, " Either Raynepelikoneet or Oatsmaster is scum." -> "Tutankoopa has become a null read with Raynepelikoneet seeming less awesomely clairvoyant town to me. I haven't read him, and when I replaced I had no time to make any read. So I left my vote on him because Raynepelikoneet didn't like him." Rayn is 50% chance of scum between these two, thus I'll just trust his read. How does that make sense at all? The rest of his filter is mostly fluff and not very useful information. Slam is a good lynch here. | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either.. That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu? Er, P4 mafia I guess, but FT wasn't that lurky in P4 so it's still kinda different to his scum play LOL | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
When did you find my breadcrumb? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either.. That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu? Ok I sent a PM to the hosts and syl (hope thats not illegal/cheating) if I could talk about FT in P4 when we talking about I have never seen his scum play, and since at the time he hadnt flipped and the game wasnt over they told me I couldnt. But now that the game is over I have seen FT play scum, it had no resemblence to this game, but my main point about his meta with me was I have seen him play lurky town in GoT and in that game he still made reads on people just not many, and when he came back he defended himself and posted his reads for his post death flip, he did none of those things this game. While sounding like a broken record, his meta wasnt the only reason I voted for him. His play and lack of interest was also scummy. He deserved to die and I would have done it again because he was playing scummy and against his meta. The only thing I said to syl in the PM was can I talk about FT in persona, and his answer was no, the game is ongoing. Sorry if this is against the rules or cheating. I just wanted to know if I could talk about it. | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 02 2013 21:16 yamato77 wrote: 6) I am being useful. I will be exponentially more useful soon. It is not illogical to find Hapa's weaksauce push of me suspicious because it is suspicious. It's like he's afraid to actually call me mafia and push for my lynch. Harkens back to Duel Mini where he was mafia and pussy footed around the issue the whole game. Going to compare the two and see if memory serves. So, after I get back from the store and read Hapa's filter in Duel (plus maybe RTP for a vice-versa comparison), I will let you all know what I think. But Hapa calling me mafia since last night and then defaulting to lynching Slam is fucking SUSPICIOUS. If he's mafia, why make a 'weaksauce' push on you? What exactly is he gaining? I don't understand the motivation. Relating to the last bold bit, presumably if you know you're townie you know your alignment, so him wanting to lynch someone not-you is surely better than wanting to lynch you? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On September 02 2013 23:44 marvellosity wrote: Bleh, I was going to talk about Hapa and yamato, but it seems a little pointless. I just want to ask yamato If he's mafia, why make a 'weaksauce' push on you? What exactly is he gaining? I don't understand the motivation. Relating to the last bold bit, presumably if you know you're townie you know your alignment, so him wanting to lynch someone not-you is surely better than wanting to lynch you? Hapa, if scum, would not want confrontation with me. HE KNOWS I CAN CATCH HIM. But he does have to have reads, so he makes up the idea that I'm possible scum because I'm "useless" or whatever. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Needless to say, my towntell on him for trying to break us up was... faulty. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 02 2013 23:46 yamato77 wrote: Hapa, if scum, would not want confrontation with me. HE KNOWS I CAN CATCH HIM. But he does have to have reads, so he makes up the idea that I'm possible scum because I'm "useless" or whatever. I don't get it though, he doesn't need to have *that* read on you. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On September 02 2013 23:48 marvellosity wrote: I don't get it though, he doesn't need to have *that* read on you. Maybe he thinks he can get away with just calling me mafia? Why he has the read isn't the point really, it's how he's handling it. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Question for you Tutan - I very much get what you're on about in your case, but I'm not convinced that a town-Onegu couldn't play like that. Your case only falls into place for me though if Onegu is shielding Slam as mafia, no? I'm saying this because Onegu mentions both FT and Slam reasonably regularly, so it's not like he's forgotten either of them, so I don't get how else how it makes sense. As it stands I don't like his lynch anyways. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On September 02 2013 12:46 Hapahauli wrote: If had to choose between the two, probably yamato, since useless = scum for him as a meta-point. However I'm not entirely convinced about either, and I'd probably lean towards lynching Slam at this point. We had a good case on hopeless, and his successor has literally done nothing up until this point. I mean, does this post sound like a town-hapa mentality? Don't you remember RTP where you both were town and I was mafia? He went after me the WHOLE DAY. He certainly didn't just have this weak ass read and let it flop about like a dead fish. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Onegu is saying FT was playing against his town meta, but that does not mean shit because he was also playing against his scum meta. You can't use that as a reasoning for your vote, which Onegu is doing in every post of his. I don't know how FT being inactive made him mafia. How was that "anti-town" and "scummy"? That's a null-tell. | ||
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