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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 05 2013 14:02 GMT
#2101
##Unvote:
##Vote: Sylencia

You have now been an hour here and you promised to be online. You most likely fucked up your claim and are scum. Now is time to start giving answers.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 05 2013 14:26 GMT
#2102
Okay guys, now the question is, is Sylencia trying to save marvellosity or what the fuck is going on?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 05 2013 14:26 GMT
#2103
On September 05 2013 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sylencia are you okay with getting lynched and marv being the second highest vote candidate?


This actually seems like a reasonable plan.

If we are at 800 water level (we are), then lynching syl gives us 900 water level according to his claim, but would kill marv (in the situation we outlined). Assuming scum NK's score 50 water (which I've mentioned before is what I believe), we couldn't go above 950 water before we get another shot at lynching UNLESS scum have an ability to add water, but based on the rest of the setup I'd guess any such ability would be "conditional" on 250 or less water.

Problems: Scum could totally have a way to boost water, and if marv and syl are both town then we lose since even if the water level doesn't go up we end up @ 3-3 next day. Oh yeah, and we have to get scum on board this plan which seems quite unlikely. All they have to do is affect the 2ndary lynch target and we lose. This part sucks. I think claiming lynchproof might be a mistake TBH.

I kinda liked how this hedges our bets regarding syl though. Too bad.

Of note, I still haven't figured out how rayn's vet claim can possibly make sense. Scum can't have multiple factional KP since that would enable a D2 town loss, so it would have to be a non-conditional (1-shot?) scum vig.

@Hapa: is your medic protection good for 1KP or all KP that night?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 05 2013 14:28 GMT
#2104
Rayn 8 consecutive posts might be stretching it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 05 2013 14:29 GMT
#2105
No, Sylencia is scum because it's impossible for him to take this long to think about answers to my questions.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 05 2013 14:29 GMT
#2106
Vote Count


raynpelikoneet (0) debears yamato77
Hapahauli (0) raynpelikoneet
yamato77 (0) raynpelikoneet
marvellosity (3) raynpelikoneet thrawn2112 yamato77 Sylencia
Sylencia (1) raynpelikoneet


not voting (6) Onegu Sn0_Man Hapahauli marvellosity

marvellosity is currently set to be lynched. Deadline is in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00)
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 05 2013 14:47 GMT
#2107
Yeah Syl is most likely scum, I have thought he was scummy since day one, also lynching him has zero downside if his claim is true we still dont lose the game, if he is scum fake claiming scum dies its a no lose situation.

##VOTE SYLENCIA
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 05 2013 14:52 GMT
#2108
On September 05 2013 23:47 Onegu wrote:
Yeah Syl is most likely scum, I have thought he was scummy since day one, also lynching him has zero downside if his claim is true we still dont lose the game, if he is scum fake claiming scum dies its a no lose situation.

##VOTE SYLENCIA

Huh. WELL GUYS WE FOUND SCUM
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 05 2013 14:54 GMT
#2109
Why the fuck would Sylecia make the claim that's so obviously fake if he is not trying to make some kind of big play?
I mean, he says he is going to be here and when i ask questions he immediately chokes.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 05 2013 14:57 GMT
#2110
I'll admit he said he would be here then peaced. I don't see that as a scumclaim though.

Reading Onegu though... yeah thats scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 05 2013 15:00 GMT
#2111
On September 05 2013 23:57 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'll admit he said he would be here then peaced. I don't see that as a scumclaim though.

Reading Onegu though... yeah thats scum.

Why does Onegu's vote make him scum?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 05 2013 15:04 GMT
#2112
Because if we lynch syl and his claim is true it should be easy for scum to orchestrate the secondary candidate (given that they have 3/8 of the vote right now). Which means that we lose on the spot. But Onegu doesn't want us to think about that, he wants us to JUST VOTE SYL so that his scumteam can be the ones to choose the secondary lynch. It is very very far from a No-Lose situation.

You can taste his eagerness to get this mislynch going. He is far far too excited about this considering the information available to town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 05 2013 15:06 GMT
#2113
On September 06 2013 00:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
Because if we lynch syl and his claim is true it should be easy for scum to orchestrate the secondary candidate (given that they have 3/8 of the vote right now). Which means that we lose on the spot. But Onegu doesn't want us to think about that, he wants us to JUST VOTE SYL so that his scumteam can be the ones to choose the secondary lynch. It is very very far from a No-Lose situation.

You can taste his eagerness to get this mislynch going. He is far far too excited about this considering the information available to town.

If Onegu votes for town!Sylencia, how does that help his scumteam deciding the second candidate because he is throwing his vote on Syl?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 05 2013 15:10 GMT
#2114
In literally every situation you can think of where town!syl is to be lynched 3 scum can last-minute fuck with the vote and get a townie lynched. At no cost since they win the game as soon as that lynch goes down.

Actually there is kinda one where that isn't the case but we have to have scum nailed down to 3 of 5 players and make them all be on syl. Not worth trying. Essentially, we can't do your plan.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 05 2013 15:12 GMT
#2115
Sno_man, would you agree with me, you and Hapa voting for marv and every other person voting for Sylencia?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 05 2013 15:17 GMT
#2116
On September 06 2013 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sno_man, would you agree with me, you and Hapa voting for marv and every other person voting for Sylencia?

Probably not. Seems unecessarily risky and people wouldn't go along I don't think. If the other 5 all appeared on syl right now I'd just be more worried that you are scum and could mess it up. Scum aren't gonna fall in line with a plan that screws them over.

Its not that I think you are certainly scum (if I did I'd try to lynch you) but I hold doubts about you. That vet claim among them.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 05 2013 15:19 GMT
#2117
Yeah scumteam is sn0, syl, and mostlikely marv. If syl claim is real just make sure some people are on for deadline and nothing crazy happens. I will be asleep and my vote will stay on syl. There is no reason for sn0 to attack my vote there as it is legit and so is my reasoning. Also I am sure we can figure out a way to make enough votes so that marv is the second most without the possibility of switching. like make 4 votes on syl first then 4 votes on marv, which would make it impossible to change the wagon off of them. Stop attacking me for dumb non existant reasons.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 05 2013 15:22 GMT
#2118
Okay so. There are 2 possibilities:
1) Sylencia is town. If he is town we can possibly fuck the game up.
2) Sylencia is scum. If he is scum, his claim is fake, but risking that (going 5-3) could lose us the game.

I do not think Sylencia is town, because the timing of the claim is ridiculously anti-town and him choking after the claim makes me think he is not town. He would have no reason to not answer me.

Now, Sylencia's motives for this is to save marvellosity. There is no other reason, people are already voting for marv, and this is a last resort big play. Syl's claim can't possibly be town because it's so ridiculously stupid. There is no reason to claim as town as he is not even being voted.

We are going back to plan A and just lynch marv.
##Unvote:
##Vote: marvellosity

Sno_man, my vet claim is not fake. However there is no SK. I was not shot on N1 and by now scum know there is no SK so whatevs.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 05 2013 15:23 GMT
#2119
On September 06 2013 00:19 Onegu wrote:
Yeah scumteam is sn0, syl, and mostlikely marv. If syl claim is real just make sure some people are on for deadline and nothing crazy happens. I will be asleep and my vote will stay on syl. There is no reason for sn0 to attack my vote there as it is legit and so is my reasoning. Also I am sure we can figure out a way to make enough votes so that marv is the second most without the possibility of switching. like make 4 votes on syl first then 4 votes on marv, which would make it impossible to change the wagon off of them. Stop attacking me for dumb non existant reasons.

Nono.. vote for marv, as i just explained.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 05 2013 15:25 GMT
#2120
Oh fuck, lol!

Onegu you are genious! That's what we do, no chance for scum fucking the votes up!
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