EPTHapa I can talk about sn0 right now if you want but I'm not confident enough to give my final answer. Or anyone else. I get the feeling that both of us are mainly interested in hearing the other person's scumreads.
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thrawn2112
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Hapa I can talk about sn0 right now if you want but I'm not confident enough to give my final answer. Or anyone else. I get the feeling that both of us are mainly interested in hearing the other person's scumreads. | ||
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thrawn2112
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![[image loading]](http://www.acartoonchristmas.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/rudolph-sam.jpg) 1. countless "iunno's" 2. this post 3. On August 29 2013 23:42 Sn0_Man wrote: I somehow scored like 3 free townreads early though so if nothing else he doesn't seem to be cherry picking somebody easy to point a finger at (another point in his favour). he's mindful of who is reading him as town 4. posts like this where he is critical of people but not concerned about their alignment 5. On August 30 2013 05:42 Sn0_Man wrote: Koopa why ain't you pushing hopeless a bit more? He seems like the best lynch so far tbh. bro why don't you push hopeless more 6. does he know how scum water mechanics work? 7. On September 05 2013 01:50 Sn0_Man wrote: I hope it's marv ooh are you bussing? 8. he's called me scum a few times lately but I don't remember him giving a shit about anything i've done 9. On September 05 2013 06:35 Sn0_Man wrote: @rayn: Thrawn is admittedly AFK which isn't helping anything. I thought he had some contributions earlier though. Your last post made more sense about yamato. PS If yamato is scum I'm thinking its him/thrawn/marv which makes u look disgustingly smart  i'm pretty sure rayn is town, and enabling town rayn is pretty mafia-motivated imo If anyone has reasons why sn0 is town you need to get in touch with me before the lynch | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 04 2013 09:27 marvellosity wrote: I know I have a decent chunk of time tomorrow evening, so I shall use it wisely I read through all of sylencia's posts. Overall it was pretty bland, not the most interesting read. It didn't look particularly townie, nor scummy. I think the posts where he talked about his play were genuine. I'd like the people who want to lynch him to tell me truthfully if syl's meta doesn't allow for him to be town, because by his own description, it does? | ||
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thrawn2112
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@Hapa You asked for 3 scum, I guess I've arrived at marv, sn0, and... dunno? Maybe Onegu? A few eople have been in thread wanting to chat for awhile and Onegu has been posting elsewhere for all of it. I'm kinda waffle-y on him. I'm "patiently" waiting to hear your scumreads, especially any that I'm reading as town. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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At the start of the game marvellosity is sure that Tutankoopa is town because of this: On August 29 2013 18:40 marvellosity wrote: Because at the start of the day, mafia decide to say things like this to look super-awesome to the thread, right? No. I liked his two questions to Hopeless and I like how he sounds in general. Maybe just a natural affinity to someone with a brain? marv does not know who Tutankoopa is. I understand he can have a town read on him early on based on what he says, but the fact that he can't possibly know who the dude is makes it very hard to believe that throughout the game town!marv has no intention of figuring out Tutankoopa's alignment. Then there is marv's stance on my case on Tutankooppa, which is comlete bullshit compared to what marv normally does. I talked about it earlier. When thrawn forgets his passwords and starts posting with his own account, marv says this: On September 03 2013 19:59 marvellosity wrote: Tutan is thrawn? I didn't see that one coming. Kinda sad I know who it is, because now I can't help attaching overall opinions of thrawn to his posts. I would say his posts are much higher quality than I expected (compliment, not an insult) and I'd be pretty surprised if thrawn is mafia. This is a bad post. marvellosoity has not even tried to read Tutankoopa all game. He just decided he is town based on his couple of good posts at the start of the game (which he can't do in the first place as he didn't know who the guy was). Suddenly he decides that "thrawn is town because his posting seems better than thrawn's posting as scum". This is wrong because: 1) When people Smurf they usually play at least a bit differently than usually. 2) marv has not read Tutan's post closely all game, which is very clear just by reading the thread and knowing him. If he does not find someone suspicious he does not to care to read their posts and talk about them. marv has not tried to get a good read on Tutankoopa/thrawn all game. It makes zero sense when thrawn was smurfing, and it makes zero sense after that. marv's voting behavior is very fishy: He does not push cases. At all. He always pushes cases as town, even if they are wrong. Hopping on to Oats lynch on D1 while clearly having no firm read on him and a scumread on Hopeless/Alakaslam. At best for marv those two people looked equally good/bad. There is no way town!marv would in that situation lynch Oats (who is readable) over Hopeless/Alakaslam (who is unreadable). Another thing i found odd is that on D2 marv says best lynches are Sylencia/Slam. Then he votes for Slam. Fair enough. But what happens after. He questions Oats and some other dides, but never Sylencia, his scumread. Again, he ends up voting for Oats (who he still has no clear read on) over Slam (still unreadable - for comparsion see D1 votes) and Sylencia (his scumread who he has never really questioned during the whole game). This makes zero sense to me. Besides this, there is nothing much marv has done to "help" the town: I wrote "help" so you can see the sarcasm because what i wrote earlier is definitely not helping.. He has been calling me bad (compared to how he usually treats me that's not town!marv), he has been calling Oats bad on D1 (to be fair, he treated the situation with Oats reasonably - but the conclusions he drew from it were completely wrong and town!marv should know it, Oats does just that as town, as i explained to him). Besides the Oats and yamato discussions on D1 he has not been engaging into any discussions in the game at all, he has made a case on Slam D2, never tried to push it and as soon as Oats lynch was available he just went with it for no good reasons. He is not questioning his scumreads at all (see Sylencia). He has never pushed any lynches for real. He has let Hapa run this town without caring much about if we are wrong or right. He is not even trying to bounce ideas with Hapa at all, which would be highly beneficial in case he is town and has such a strong town read on Hapa he claims. This is nothing i would expect from town!marv. TLDR; There is nothing specific i can point out why marv is sure scum, because he does not make obvious mistakes as mafia, he is too good for that. But these little things added together make me think he is not town. He is not trying to help the town, he is going with the flow rather than finding mafia. ##Unvote: ##Vote: marvellosity | ||
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thrawn2112
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thrawn2112
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 05 2013 19:41 thrawn2112 wrote: Rayn what do we do now that we agree? I dunno, probably lynch marv, Sylencia and yamato. Possibly Sno_man in exchange of yamato if he is able to reasonably explain himself. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 05 2013 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno, probably lynch marv, Sylencia and yamato. Possibly Sno_man in exchange of yamato if he is able to reasonably explain himself. Have you read any of my recent posts? Your main focus should be on what you disagreed with. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 05 2013 17:59 thrawn2112 wrote: + Show Spoiler + 1. countless "iunno's" 2. this post 3. he's mindful of who is reading him as town 4. posts like this where he is critical of people but not concerned about their alignment 5. bro why don't you push hopeless more 6. does he know how scum water mechanics work? 7. ooh are you bussing? 8. he's called me scum a few times lately but I don't remember him giving a shit about anything i've done 9. i'm pretty sure rayn is town, and enabling town rayn is pretty mafia-motivated imo If anyone has reasons why sn0 is town you need to get in touch with me before the lynch You are right what you say in here. My slight town read on Sno is based on what he says about me and how he treats me in this game. His last answers to me feel genuine. Especially because i know in 4 Persona he got really frustrated in me even when i was 90% right on my reads when WoS flipped. He still called me shitting the thread and would not talk with me. Here his post where he says "In case rayn is town he is probably right and that is disgustingly annoying" or something makes me feel like he is town knowing what he thinks of me in general. I can't really ccomment on Sno/yamato or make my mind on them before they comment more on what people asked them to explain. It's a no-go for me to question Sno, he does not like my playstyle and he will just get annoyed with me. Whatever his alignment is me questioning him does not help anyone to get a read on him. That's why i wait for him/yamato to comment on other people. I think you made good observations on Onegu earlier. Both his meta-case on FT, and his post about PMing Sylencia. I think that makes him town - in addition to that his town-play looks like this. I would like him to give more opinions of his own, but that's how he rolls as town. I also think your observations after D2 make you more likely to be town. Mainly what you said about marv and Onegu. I disagree with Onegu being mafia, and i slightly disagree with Sno being mafia, but your posts are good and your conclusions make sense. That leaves me with marv, Sylencia and one of yamato/Sno. I want to kill marv because it's more likely scumteam will panic after their leader dead, and start making bad decisions. :D I still want to hear from yamato and Sno, as said earlier, to make up my mind on them. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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thrawn2112
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On September 05 2013 19:06 thrawn2112 wrote: I read through all of sylencia's posts. Overall it was pretty bland, not the most interesting read. It didn't look particularly townie, nor scummy. I think the posts where he talked about his play were genuine. I'd like the people who want to lynch him to tell me truthfully if syl's meta doesn't allow for him to be town, because by his own description, it does? Admittedly I haven't been following the cases against him, but I've read his filter for myself several times and I don't see mafia. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 05 2013 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn do you think scum are marv, Sylencia and Sno? why not yamato? Right now I would say Marv, sn0, and tentatively Onegu. Not yamato, he looks like he's trying to solve the game and I've seen him play town like this. I saw how he played in GoT. Scum yamato would have completely fucked off by now. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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I don't really know Sylecia's meta. I am basing my read on him on his posts, which are really bad. Like, he accuses Onegu of going after easy targets all game and that's pretty much it. He has done the exact same thing, but without proper reasoning. At least Onegu's reasons sound like a townie could think. What do you think of what me & Hapa said about yamato on D3? Does yamato's posts make sense to you? Why? | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 05 2013 20:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure Onegu is town, having played with him a couple of games. He is far more aggressive as scum. I don't really know Sylecia's meta. I am basing my read on him on his posts, which are really bad. Like, he accuses Onegu of going after easy targets all game and that's pretty much it. He has done the exact same thing, but without proper reasoning. At least Onegu's reasons sound like a townie could think. What do you think of what me & Hapa said about yamato on D3? Does yamato's posts make sense to you? Why? About the stance switching after N2? I don't think it's scummy, but yamato needs to answer some of hapa's questions first before I really care to talk about it. I know that's what Hapa was talking about, you'll have to remind me if you were bringing up anything different. I've given a few reasons why I think yamato is town. They are in this filter and it's not that long. If you plan on lynching Syl you need to read his past games first. You say he's accusing people without proper reasoning. And this is something only mafia do? I'm going to need to be convinced about Syl. You're calling me town now? Was there any exact moment when you changed your mind about this? | ||
yamato77
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Rayn I voted for because of how I view his voting habits. Yes, there is context, but there is also an overriding mindset that should be the determining force in the placement of votes. Town players seldom vote for what they would label a mislynch, no matter what context. Also, he flips his read on me as I question my assumptions about his ability to emulate this sort of play as mafia. I doubted it before, but do I necessarily want to risk losing a game to him on the assumption that he can't reliably fake being a fucking nutjob as scum? Not really. As for who I want to lynch, I'm yet undecided. It would be lovely if Marv gave a fuck about this game, but apparently he doesn't. Is this necessarily something I attribute to scum Marv? No, but it certainly doesn't help him in the face of his weak voting history and his lack of initiative in scumhunting. I suppose I feel better about his lynch than just about anyone else. I have my misgivings about trusting Rayn, but I suppose that will always be the case with someone who plays mafia better than they do town. ##Unvote ##Vote Marvellosity | ||
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thrawn2112
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Onegu
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thrawn2112
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On September 05 2013 20:40 Onegu wrote: So I am here! Any question I am here for. It's time to start talking about who we're gonna lynch. | ||
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yamato77
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On September 05 2013 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote: Why are you trusting rayn? Because I'm listening to Hapa. Like I've said before in this very game, it's PROBABLY the case that Rayn is town. I would also feel like a bass if Marv is mafia and I called him out D1. | ||
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