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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 00:04 GMT
#2041
Ohhh Syl is hosting the game. Okey.

Eh. That does seem townie, but I'm not sure if it gives me a horrendously strong town-read on Onegu.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 00:04 GMT
#2042
On September 05 2013 08:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh he PM'd syl.

Didn't catch that. That's kinda wierd.


Yeah. Other than that I want to lynch him. But that one thing makes me go o.0?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 00:07 GMT
#2043
On September 05 2013 09:04 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 08:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh he PM'd syl.

Didn't catch that. That's kinda wierd.


Yeah. Other than that I want to lynch him. But that one thing makes me go o.0?


Have you looked into Syl yet?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 00:17 GMT
#2044
Alright I going to grab some dinner.

GIve me that post on Sn0 and Syl that you promised thrawn

Marv, Onegu, Syl, Sn0, and Yamato - anything we get from you guys is what is going to find us the scumteam.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 00:18 GMT
#2045
No. After I've read him I'll post complete thoughts on everyone.

While you're here, what do you think of this speculation?

On September 05 2013 00:26 Sn0_Man wrote:

PS: Useless setup speculation: It's safe to say that scum NK's are worth 50 water, since they achieved their NK tonight and it balanced-out perfectly with our doctor save. In addition, for balance reasons it prevents town losing D2 if town mislynches twice (which we did). As such, while I'm really unsure if it would help town much, a no-lynch isn't too unreasonable an option. Admittedly all that happens is we lose our doctor (ugh) but I'm willing to assume that he will be roleblocked and killed in fairly short order anyway so this isn't too huge a loss. The problem is that we need his insight for as long as possible. TL;DR we are at MyLo not Lylo or w/e. If we mislynch we lose but if we no-lynch we don't lose on the spot.


Before this I was pretty confused about why your save didn't lower the water level but this explanation makes perfect sense. It makes so much sense then I'm pretty sure sn0 had extra information.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 00:21 GMT
#2046
On September 05 2013 09:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. After I've read him I'll post complete thoughts on everyone.

While you're here, what do you think of this speculation?

Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 00:26 Sn0_Man wrote:

PS: Useless setup speculation: It's safe to say that scum NK's are worth 50 water, since they achieved their NK tonight and it balanced-out perfectly with our doctor save. In addition, for balance reasons it prevents town losing D2 if town mislynches twice (which we did). As such, while I'm really unsure if it would help town much, a no-lynch isn't too unreasonable an option. Admittedly all that happens is we lose our doctor (ugh) but I'm willing to assume that he will be roleblocked and killed in fairly short order anyway so this isn't too huge a loss. The problem is that we need his insight for as long as possible. TL;DR we are at MyLo not Lylo or w/e. If we mislynch we lose but if we no-lynch we don't lose on the spot.


Before this I was pretty confused about why your save didn't lower the water level but this explanation makes perfect sense. It makes so much sense then I'm pretty sure sn0 had extra information.


Yeah it make an eerie amount of sense o.O

But dinner time, bb in an hour or two
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 05 2013 01:15 GMT
#2047
Guys, its simple setup speculation... This is the shit I do in these games
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 05 2013 01:26 GMT
#2048
On September 05 2013 07:16 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato

When you get back, I need an answer to the following:

1) How is it that your Sn0 read is so different from yesterday?
2) Your votecount analysis seems really shallow. You spend zero time looking into the context of those posts and take them all at face value. You should realize that voting has been chaotic and wishy-washy as a whole this game.
3) I really don't understand the complete inability for us to have a conversation this game. For example, this post...
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 08:32 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:22 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:15 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote:
@yamato
Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats?

This is why I pushed Hapascum

Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture


So are you going to talk to me about this scumread or not?

I saw your response. I am not impressed. I don't think you read my posts too deeply if you think that was the only point against you.


Well your other point is that "I spent no time discussion lynch targets", which I find to be pretty false given that I led the consolidation at the end of today (even if it was a mislynch). I was on the fence for most of the day because I've been pretty damn lost this game read wise. Normally I can tunnel a player and get the information I want, but players like yourself, Oats, Alakasam, Onegu, and others I need posts from either are horrendously inactive or absent from the thread when I'm here or something.

SO yeah, my current view on the game is that scum is somewhere in the lurkers and that we have a circle-jerk of active townies who are willing to post. And that's a problem given how many goddamn inactives there are.

As for my read on you... well what's wrong about it? You've been useless to your own admission this game:
On September 02 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato, why are you being so useless this game? Is this a work-related thing? Because I've never seen a town-game from you where you've had such abysmal thread-presence.

I really haven't played town in a while, and certainly not with this group of players who I mostly find difficult to read.

Generally, it's easy enough for me to get some townreads and go from there, but I have too many question marks and not enough time to really pin them all down.

@scib I will give those reads, probably in the morning. I am unfortunately out of time right now.


... and I'm at a loss what to think of you. You're asleep/working when I'm active in the thread, and tunnel me when I'm gone.

I'll be on for a while tonight. If you're town, we'll resolve this.

...you made after you posted your case against me, seemingly promising to show some effort and talk to me. Instead you fucked off, did god knows what, and came back the next morning and tunneled me while I was gone.

You seemed so much more interested in calling me scum than actually trying to determine my allignment.

You know why my Sn0 read is different, I fucking explained it. And yes, the vote analysis is shallow because it is just an indicator of POSSIBLE mafia. I say in the post that it's inconclusive because it is. I'm not all the way done reforming my reads.

Rayn flip flopping about my alignment is fucking fishy, dude. That's why I voted for the guy with the 20 page filter who has been fucking around the whole damn game.

As far as having a conversation with you, I don't know what to tell you. I post in the thread, and if you don't respond or respond in such a manner that you dismiss everything I did post (as you've been oft to do this game), I'm not one much to put forth extreme effort to get anything out of you.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 02:28 GMT
#2049
On September 05 2013 10:26 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 07:16 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato

When you get back, I need an answer to the following:

1) How is it that your Sn0 read is so different from yesterday?
2) Your votecount analysis seems really shallow. You spend zero time looking into the context of those posts and take them all at face value. You should realize that voting has been chaotic and wishy-washy as a whole this game.
3) I really don't understand the complete inability for us to have a conversation this game. For example, this post...
On September 03 2013 08:32 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:22 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:15 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote:
@yamato
Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats?

This is why I pushed Hapascum

Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture


So are you going to talk to me about this scumread or not?

I saw your response. I am not impressed. I don't think you read my posts too deeply if you think that was the only point against you.


Well your other point is that "I spent no time discussion lynch targets", which I find to be pretty false given that I led the consolidation at the end of today (even if it was a mislynch). I was on the fence for most of the day because I've been pretty damn lost this game read wise. Normally I can tunnel a player and get the information I want, but players like yourself, Oats, Alakasam, Onegu, and others I need posts from either are horrendously inactive or absent from the thread when I'm here or something.

SO yeah, my current view on the game is that scum is somewhere in the lurkers and that we have a circle-jerk of active townies who are willing to post. And that's a problem given how many goddamn inactives there are.

As for my read on you... well what's wrong about it? You've been useless to your own admission this game:
On September 02 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato, why are you being so useless this game? Is this a work-related thing? Because I've never seen a town-game from you where you've had such abysmal thread-presence.

I really haven't played town in a while, and certainly not with this group of players who I mostly find difficult to read.

Generally, it's easy enough for me to get some townreads and go from there, but I have too many question marks and not enough time to really pin them all down.

@scib I will give those reads, probably in the morning. I am unfortunately out of time right now.


... and I'm at a loss what to think of you. You're asleep/working when I'm active in the thread, and tunnel me when I'm gone.

I'll be on for a while tonight. If you're town, we'll resolve this.

...you made after you posted your case against me, seemingly promising to show some effort and talk to me. Instead you fucked off, did god knows what, and came back the next morning and tunneled me while I was gone.

You seemed so much more interested in calling me scum than actually trying to determine my allignment.

You know why my Sn0 read is different, I fucking explained it. And yes, the vote analysis is shallow because it is just an indicator of POSSIBLE mafia. I say in the post that it's inconclusive because it is. I'm not all the way done reforming my reads.


No, you didn't explain at all why your Sn0 read is different. Let me walk you through your filter:

Before my night actions, you were all aboard the hapa/sn0 scumteam train:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&currentpage=91#1815

Then you "mulligan" your reads, and post your vote-analysis, in which you call Sn0 "possible mafia"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&currentpage=99#1961

... after which you conclude that 3 other people are scum. Still nothing about your sn0 town read.

So no, you did not explain why your Sn0 read is different. Ever.


Rayn flip flopping about my alignment is fucking fishy, dude. That's why I voted for the guy with the 20 page filter who has been fucking around the whole damn game.


So why is it scummy as opposed to Rayn being absurdly emotional?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 02:33 GMT
#2050
I stand corrected. You say this about Sn0:

Sn0:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19635723

“consolidation vote” on Slam

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637580

“consolidation vote” on FT

Both instances, doesn’t seem to care which of them gets lynched. Mentions Syl/Oats as other people he MIGHT vote for at other odd times, but never makes a real push himself. Squirms out of voting for Syl because of something Marv said. Possible mafia.


On September 05 2013 03:25 yamato77 wrote:
I don't feel good about lynching Hapa because you're probably right about the doctor claim. That, and I've played like shit until now and I think I should completely ignore my biases against him.

Not lynching thrawn. He sucks ass at mafia and I highly doubt he would be able to pull this off.

Sylencia actually looks the best out of every save Hapa/Thrawn on the voting. That combined with his general higher activity than normal makes me think he's town.

I looked hard at you last night but I have begun to seriously doubt that you're actually mafia. You seemed to play just like this in Persona.

that really only leaves Marv/Rayn/Onegu as possible mafia, and I can believe any one of them capable of playing the way they have this game as mafia. I had townreads on them before because of how much they fuck up the thread, but I realize that Rayn is known for doing that kind of thing as scum with his scumbuddy before.


Then you threw in a line here about Sn0. However that still doesnt' really tell me anything. How is the same? Does "similar" play preclude Sn0's scumgame?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 02:39 GMT
#2051
On September 04 2013 09:27 marvellosity wrote:
I know I have a decent chunk of time tomorrow evening, so I shall use it wisely


Marvel-babe

Where are uuuuuuuuu
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 03:10 GMT
#2052
I am trying to give a shit about this game and get us a successful lylo lynch, but it's getting really difficult when over half of you refuse to post.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 03:17 GMT
#2053
Lol sorry hapa. I'm waiting for my interest in the game to pick up. I should be good to go in a few hours.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 05 2013 03:26 GMT
#2054
Urgh, I've been bedridden the past day and a bit, I'll catch up tonight.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 07:19 GMT
#2055
doop doop doop
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 07:29 GMT
#2056
Hi Hapa.

Can you give 3 scumreads? One or two sentences each?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 08:13 GMT
#2057
On September 05 2013 16:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hi Hapa.

Can you give 3 scumreads? One or two sentences each?


Feel no need to at this point. Since I'm confirmed town, I'd much rather wait on what other people have to say before I start making very concrete reads. I do have scum-reads, but I'd ideally like to see other people who are not confirmed contribute.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 08:14 GMT
#2058
Basically waiting on Sylencia, marv, and Onegu to catch-up and/or get back

I have outstanding questions to Yamato

As for Sn0... just reading his filter right now
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 08:18 GMT
#2059
Also Thrawn, can you post your more-complete Sn0 read that you promised earlier?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 08:22 GMT
#2060
Hapa as soon as I've reached any conclusions I'll post them. I was more interested in talking to people first but nobody is around.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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