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raynpelikoneet
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Sylencia
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On September 05 2013 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay now seriously guys, Hapa and Sylencia: Is your rolename seriously Conditional [insert role here]?? Yes. This is a themed game, are you surprised? On September 05 2013 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: ##Vote: Sylencia You have now been an hour here and you promised to be online. You most likely fucked up your claim and are scum. Now is time to start giving answers. The effects of playing Dota 2, 'I'll be here for the next few hours" doesn't actually end up happening =[ Also, you realise that if I was fake claiming it'd be a lot more realistic to say that I'd raise the water level by 150, since we're on 850 at the moment and it'd be a realistic number to give? On September 05 2013 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylencia are you okay with getting lynched and marv being the second highest vote candidate? Go ahead, if that happens we're probably on 950, unless someone's got some +water crap on death. On September 05 2013 23:26 Sn0_Man wrote: This actually seems like a reasonable plan. If we are at 800 water level (we are), then lynching syl gives us 900 water level according to his claim, but would kill marv (in the situation we outlined). Assuming scum NK's score 50 water (which I've mentioned before is what I believe), we couldn't go above 950 water before we get another shot at lynching UNLESS scum have an ability to add water, but based on the rest of the setup I'd guess any such ability would be "conditional" on 250 or less water. Problems: Scum could totally have a way to boost water, and if marv and syl are both town then we lose since even if the water level doesn't go up we end up @ 3-3 next day. Oh yeah, and we have to get scum on board this plan which seems quite unlikely. All they have to do is affect the 2ndary lynch target and we lose. This part sucks. I think claiming lynchproof might be a mistake TBH. I kinda liked how this hedges our bets regarding syl though. Too bad. Of note, I still haven't figured out how rayn's vet claim can possibly make sense. Scum can't have multiple factional KP since that would enable a D2 town loss, so it would have to be a non-conditional (1-shot?) scum vig. @Hapa: is your medic protection good for 1KP or all KP that night? What is the mistake in it? Worst case scenario is I don't claim, scum wagon onto me overnight and I don't get lynched, no one considers shot 2, and we lose the game. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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Yes, this is only if syl's claim is true but what I'm saying is that we have to judge syl based on other stuff because we can't afford to test his claim. It feels too risky. I'm not certain enough about reads and I feel like any plan that is public in the thread like this can be circumvented by scum. I'd consider it if it was literally everybody doing exactly what hapa said. Thats about the only way. Even then I'm not sure I'm sold on him getting it right. | ||
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Sylencia
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On September 05 2013 23:47 Onegu wrote: Yeah Syl is most likely scum, I have thought he was scummy since day one, also lynching him has zero downside if his claim is true we still dont lose the game, if he is scum fake claiming scum dies its a no lose situation. ##VOTE SYLENCIA Who would be your secondary lynch choice? you sound rushed here LOL | ||
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Sylencia
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On September 06 2013 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylecia what is your fakeclaim? What do you mean | ||
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Hapahauli: Is Sylencia scum? | ||
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Onegu
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On September 06 2013 00:29 Sylencia wrote: Who would be your secondary lynch choice? you sound rushed here LOL Sn0, I have already said this. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 06 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so. There are 2 possibilities: 1) Sylencia is town. If he is town we can possibly fuck the game up. 2) Sylencia is scum. If he is scum, his claim is fake, but risking that (going 5-3) could lose us the game. I do not think Sylencia is town, because the timing of the claim is ridiculously anti-town and him choking after the claim makes me think he is not town. He would have no reason to not answer me. Now, Sylencia's motives for this is to save marvellosity. There is no other reason, people are already voting for marv, and this is a last resort big play. Syl's claim can't possibly be town because it's so ridiculously stupid. There is no reason to claim as town as he is not even being voted. We are going back to plan A and just lynch marv. ##Unvote: ##Vote: marvellosity Sno_man, my vet claim is not fake. However there is no SK. I was not shot on N1 and by now scum know there is no SK so whatevs. Ok, since I didn't see this post, you seem to rush your thoughts: 1) I'm not being voted for, how is this good timing as scum or town to claim? In normal circumstances there isn't a point. However if we mislynch we lose. If I sleep without claiming, and you guys misplay because I don't claim, we lose. If I'm scum, I'm just drawing attention to myself for absolutely no reason and it'd be a suicide play. Man, my one posts brings forth 20 rayn posts -_- | ||
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Sylencia
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On September 06 2013 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because you are trying to look like obv scum to make a big play in 5-3 votes then mafia switching to someone to win the game during the night by roleblocking Hapa and killing him. No, you're choosing to try vote for me. Did I ever say "Hey guys, vote for me because it's going to bounce off anyways"? My claim should do literally nothing to what the current vote or the future vote shows. On September 06 2013 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your claim does not make any sense from town PoV. You are not even being in danger of getting lynched. Why the fuck would you claim as town? I'm on at least 1 suspect list, I'm going to be sleeping at some point in the near future. Chances are low that I'll be around at deadline. If you were in my shoes would you put it up to chance that no one decides to go "Hey, let's for Sy, good idea boys" -> wagon wagon wagon Flip: Sy wasn't killed cause he was lynchproof, but X was the 2nd highest and he was town. Scum wins! | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Sylencia, the thing is: Your claim allows mafia to win this game today in case we try to lynch you. Therefore you have zero reason to claim as town. You are not getting lynched today, although i know you are mafia and Hapahauli should know too. The reason is the following: I an veteran yeat i have a vanilla fakeclaim. I assume every blue role has a fakeclaim. You do not have a fakeclaim which means the blue role of yours is the fakeclaim. It's pretty simple. | ||
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Sylencia
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On September 06 2013 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's say we have 4 votes on X and 2 votes on Y. If someone from X switches to Y making the vote 3-3, which one of X / Y would get lynched? This game will use a simple plurality lynch. Player with the most votes at the deadline gets lynched. Unless there's two people with most votes, then the one that had more votes first takes the cake (there is no cake but he still gets lynched) ..It's written right there. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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Besides, I'm now quite sure onegu is scum. He simply sounded like a small child who had just been given a fistful of candy when the idea to split votes syl-marv came up. Too certain of impending victory. Its not how he's played all game, and its not something he would do as town. | ||
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