Newbie Mini Mafia XLVII - Page 4

On September 06 2013 01:10 killerdog wrote:


The chances of us getting a for sure mafia lynch night 1 are quite low though, in a 12 man set up we're allowed 3-4 mislynches, and using one to get rid of a lurker is, in my opinion, worth it.

I'm confused by your logic that "we shouldn't pressure him because he might say things which can save him." If he's mafia having him give some reads which are informative enough for us to want to lynch someone else instead is vastly preferable to lynching someone else but not getting those reads. Also by saying this, you've implied that you think him not giving any information at all even under threat of lynch is a town move, something i strongly disagree with.

Besides, if you don't want lynch him, that means you think town would benefit more from lynching someone else then they would from lynching him. Who do you think is the better lynch?



Maybe you can include it in your writeup.

On September 04 2013 07:36 Chairman Ray wrote:
Regardless of the math, a day 1 lynch as the norm gets people talking. No lynch = no incentive to give up information. Unless everyone is super cooperative and gives great information, we lynch.

On September 04 2013 08:16 Chairman Ray wrote:
A lynch on day 1 incentivizes people to avoid being the scummiest looking player since that player WILL be lynched
A possible no lynch on day 1 doesn't achieve this incentive since unless you completely crumble and blurt our something incriminating, then you don't get lynched

So under the first case, as long as every genuine townsperson is being very active and contributing, then mafia is forced to do the same. Even if we lynch a town on the first day, we're still on a good start. If not every genuine townsperson is active or contributing, lynching them isn't a big loss.

On September 05 2013 03:32 Chairman Ray wrote:


Since there's already been a few people suggesting they would rather no lynch than risk killing a quiet townie, then I'm gonna go ahead and say it: yes, there's a possibility of voting no lynch on first day. We threaten to lynch on the first day, and in the back of our minds we think about the option of no lynch. However the threat of a first day lynch no longer is a threat if people say it's just going to be a threat. By vocalizing that it's just a threat and we're actually allowing quiet people to live the first day, then the mafia will know that they have that option. So what we're all supposed to do is pretend that lynch is mandatory until the very end to make people think they need to talk, and then at the very end, we decide what's best.

Now that this info is out there, I think we should actually do mandatory lynch. myRZeth has not said anything yet, and if that keeps up, then I will definitely be voting him. Who's in agreement?

On September 04 2013 23:36 infii wrote:
I would also love to see more participation from the people with the lower post counts (of course including me), so I did dive a bit into the filters.
heavenz:


Considering the fact that the discussion about yes/no-lynch on D1 was already going on for about 1 hour at the time you posted this, why did you go ahead and claim it to be 'a bit of a discussion starter' with your second post?

myrzeth:


Yup... we need to hear more from you merzeth. What is your opinion on lynching the most inactive player on Day1?

Pharcyd:


His only post, though he stated before that he would have plenty of time to keep up with the thread. So why not also contribute to the discussion?

Chairman Ray:


Took part in the early discussion about Day1 lynch with 2 posts saying the exact same thing.
Also I disagree a bit with you here, because you don't have to actually execute the lynch to get people talking. A lynch threat is more than enough. Don’t you think lynching a less active townmember early on is a loss?
Because they could still improve on Day 2 for example.

Ok basically everyone listed above should step up and contribute to the discussion. You can start by answering my questions.


On another note:


Don’t you think the effect of a lynch threat will be reduced when you always have someone voted? If you want other players to know who you are targetting just write it in this thread for everyone to see.

On September 05 2013 04:03 Chairman Ray wrote:


I am currently working on my scum reads right now, and will post them in a sec.

As for Umasi/HolyFlare, one of the best scum tactics is to have two scum ragging on each other the first day. It monopolizes the discussion preventing productive town discourse, paints them both as very pro town, and in the case that one of them turns mafia, there's a strong argument for the other one being town. Because of this, I am not willing to read them both as town. Right now, there's a possibility of both being scum, both being town, or one being mafia, so lynching one will not give us ANY headway, I say keep them both alive on day 1. Based on who gets lynched and who gets killed by mafia, we may be able to eliminate one of the possibilities.

On September 05 2013 06:07 Chairman Ray wrote:


My intention was not to suggest ignoring the entire discussion. My intention was two things: firstly, to the few people suggesting that either you or Holy may be town (or both), I disagree completely and I would like to consider both of you just as much as everyone else. Secondly, your discussion with HolyFlare and everyone else set up a lot of variables and a few equations. This is the best thing to carry into the second round since we have almost enough information to deduce pairs of people who cannot both be mafia. This is why I'm suggesting lynching either you or holyflare first turn is unproductive for town.

I will give my first set of reads. When HolyFlare said that he was withholding his reads, he dug himself an obligation. By the end of this day, he must make a play justifying that he withheld his reads with good reason, or else he's mafia. If we see his posts and decide that there's no reason why he didn't give his reads in the first place, I think he's a good mafia candidate. When you started attacking HolyFlare and threw in a vote, I don't think at that point there was any good indication that HolyFlare is mafia. I think that either both of you are mafia, in which case the discourse was counterproductive for town because you misled everyone, or you are town, in which case you were both pressuring HolyFlare and seeing who would ride the lynch train. This gives me a reason to ease up on the possibility that you are mafia and HolyFlare is town.

On September 05 2013 07:48 Chairman Ray wrote:


Irrelevant post? Fixing keyboard? How do these two things even relate?

Did anyone see the post before it was edited?

I actually think we had a slipup.

#vote Lord Velocity

What was the post before you edited?