EPTHow was that clarification hard to understand?? 'panic' is in inverted commas to imply a non intentional meaning of the word. What it meant to come across as is that when you ask people to clarify a post they don't feel like they are under pressure so will just respond to you naturally, they wouldn't entirely always need to consult a QT etc. However, when you say "X or Y is scum" Bereft was saying that the whole idea was to create pressure and make them panic by doing it, but I am implying that saying that makes them 'panic' i.e. not at all.
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How was that clarification hard to understand?? 'panic' is in inverted commas to imply a non intentional meaning of the word. What it meant to come across as is that when you ask people to clarify a post they don't feel like they are under pressure so will just respond to you naturally, they wouldn't entirely always need to consult a QT etc. However, when you say "X or Y is scum" Bereft was saying that the whole idea was to create pressure and make them panic by doing it, but I am implying that saying that makes them 'panic' i.e. not at all. | ||
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On September 04 2013 14:21 killerdog wrote: One very last thing, Umasi and Holyflare, if you don't resolve this within a page or two, just drop it. Everyone has noticed that Holyflare said two things which appear to go against each other a bit, but you two are by far the most vocal people so far in the thread, both of you have said a ton of things already, and this argument is just stalling the discussion now. Having the two most vocal people crash into each other immediately just means that the other 10 players can get away with not saying anything SUPER easily, and the aim day 1 is to get as much information on as many people as possible. It's been noted that Umasi has been tunelling hard on Holyflare, and it's been noted that Holyflare has mentioned several other topics of discussion which have been brought up in the meantime. I doubt Holyflare is going to suddenly crack at this point, and I doubt anything Holyflare says will fully satisfy Umasi. By all means try and settle this if you can, but I feel it would be much more pro town to note down that this happened, maybe revisit it at a later date, and focus on getting as many people to talk about as many things as possible. It just feels like all potential discussion topics (including the questioning of velocity) was brought in the last few pages have ended up being ignored because of this really early vote call/interrogation. On September 04 2013 13:51 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 13:38 Blurry wrote: Two things: Scum read in retaliation to him questioning you is pretty suspicious. You aren't helping your case with that, especially because your analysis is flawed. Aggression at the start is in no way indicative of scum, and if anything, is more a town indicator than anything, especially when he is leading the charge against a player. It is really risky for scum to be so direct because it draws so much attention to them. Umasi is probably my biggest town read for that reason right now. Aggression is one thing but tunnelling is a whole different matter. Read Umasi's 2nd page and notice how every post towards me jumps to something new without addressing my last answer. Also notice how he ignores the posts around my post that lead to my the things he is criticising and then uses them as reasoning for his vote. That is dangerous town/bad behaviour that you shouldn't necessarily attribute to townies. The constant criticism of one player always shuts the door on other players who are sitting back and watching things happen. Killerdog brings up some excellent points about other players that we should all be addressing. However, as they are most likely not around for now we can't do that. As lord vel is the only one that people had substantial queries towards who is still around you should also be pressing him and leaving questions for the people that aren't here to catch up on later. Especially as scum seem to skip over threads because they aren't scumhunting compared to the town that want to catch up on every detail. You should see who responds to these questions when they come back. and of course, you may ask me whatever questions about what I have said that you deem relevant like that? | ||
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On September 04 2013 13:24 Lord Velocity wrote: Well because I scimmed over the posts and why wouldn't I address things concerning me? I'm not trying to have a misslynch day 1 and give scum a one up, but in no way was I saying "He's pro town" I was simply stating that your logic made sense, but: Strongest town read: Nobody so far because I don't think we've heard from everybody? so I can't really base it off of like, the 5 people that actually talked and not about the day 1 lynch thing. Strongest Scum read: Umasi due to his fast vote on Holyflare and his super aggressive early play. You shouldn't be skimming over the posts in the thread. Being defensive about yourself is why people think what you are doing is scummy. If you want to have suspicion cast off of you you need to provide some good reasons on why other people are more worthy lynch candidates than yourself. You can use the quote button on peoples posts to quote what they have said and then ask questions. The easiest way to shift the limelight off you is to analyse inconsistencies, evaluate where people stand and discuss what you think doesn't make sense. On September 04 2013 23:02 Lord Velocity wrote: A lot of people have also seemed to jump on the "Umasi Holy pro town Velocity scum" but nobody has even thought that it could be just shitty town. And nobody has thought of if the "pro town" moves are just good mafia. I think I shoulndn't be lynched and we should hear from more people about reads on everybody before we misslynch and end up having no reads. Please. I do'nt think I'm suspicious, I answered one question and got words put in my mouth by Umasi so I think that could have something to my "suspiciousness" But think of it how you will. I don't think I should be the one to die though. I'm going to school, so I might post from there. Bye/brb Everyone is thinking it is shitty town, people just are suspicious of you so when they use the word 'scum' they actually mean they have inclinations to suspect that you are scum not that you ARE. The only way to disprove this is to do what I said above. The whole point of day 1 is to eliminate the people that are the least pro town of them all so people that contribute enough should be safe compared to the people that post 1 or 2 lines about defending themself with no other alternatives given. If you want to have suspicion off you re-read the game so far and then tell me what sticks out the most to you. Quote people that haven't said much or something that is suspicious and get them to explain themselves. | ||
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It's silly to make circular discussion theories of who may be connected to whom until we actually see somebody flip, save these connections for yourself and don't post them until you have something more substantial. Also do not try and fall into the trap of confirmation bias either as that can make you tunnel in the later stages of the game. As far as how this game has gone so far, I understand that it is a newbie game and people are heavily weighted by posts on how to play pro town and read mafia posts etc but be careful on doing this too as it is a double edged sword within newbie games. People are new and will post things that will be regarded as scum tells in any normal game, however, these people may also be doing just what they think is right and may end up town. So, instead of trying to point out the person that is scummy, point out a post you have disliked and ask somebody to fully explain it. If they don't have a proper justification of it or they write a post that is substantially lacking then sure, you can lynch them off for being useless later. What you want to do is elaborate suspicions so that people are forced to talk upon them more than they would like. Take them out of their comfort zones. When people have flipped later on the game these elaborated responses are often the most revealing ones that you can gain information from. If you don't watch mafia meta games on twitch here MAFIA META: Playing town Also, in regards to lurkers. Do not vote them if they are not posting. It's a waste of a lynch. A lot of you are discussing how one post from somebody all game implies they are scum but it's just as much reasoning that they could also be vanilla townie and so don't want to play because they can find it boring. They will get modkilled so ignore them till they post. | ||
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Either way the people that I think are the most lynch worth today fall into 2 categories. People who I think will be less useful later on in the game because they aren't articulate enough and thus we should lynch them or by pure fact that I did not like what they are posting. infii I've played with infii and he was a bit weak to begin with when I did play with him, however, I found that I could read when he was being town by the targets he was focusing on with his posts and he did eventually get a lot better at analysis so I would have assumed better from him so far. + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 23:36 infii wrote: I would also love to see more participation from the people with the lower post counts (of course including me), so I did dive a bit into the filters. heavenz: Considering the fact that the discussion about yes/no-lynch on D1 was already going on for about 1 hour at the time you posted this, why did you go ahead and claim it to be 'a bit of a discussion starter' with your second post? myrzeth: Yup... we need to hear more from you merzeth. What is your opinion on lynching the most inactive player on Day1? Pharcyd: His only post, though he stated before that he would have plenty of time to keep up with the thread. So why not also contribute to the discussion? Chairman Ray: Took part in the early discussion about Day1 lynch with 2 posts saying the exact same thing. Also I disagree a bit with you here, because you don't have to actually execute the lynch to get people talking. A lynch threat is more than enough. Don’t you think lynching a less active townmember early on is a loss? Because they could still improve on Day 2 for example. Ok basically everyone listed above should step up and contribute to the discussion. You can start by answering my questions. On another note: Don’t you think the effect of a lynch threat will be reduced when you always have someone voted? If you want other players to know who you are targetting just write it in this thread for everyone to see. Infii's is one of the lowest posting people in the game at the moment with 3 total posts. This particular post that I have spoilered above is his only substantial thing that he has added in which it says paticularly nothing, stuff we already pretty much knew. Now realise this was after me and Umasi had our discussion and so there was a lot of information and reads flying about and things to mention, however, he only decides to mention split parts of peoples posts to ask them questions that really have little to follow up on. Compare this to his post in a previous game that was similarly early; + Show Spoiler + On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote: Ok, time to clarify things! I'll do this in chronologic order. That is not true. I said he should make a statement to get rid of all the suspicion he will get with that post. This is not an empty phrase! Btw sc_a.M still did't take a stance to his first post, which raised a lot of suspicion from me but surprisingly went under everyone elses radar. He even defended reps with his second post. So if reps is scum, sc_a.M is also scum. The only other option I see here is that sc_a.M has information/proof that reps is town. Then there were several posts which stated that I would be in favor of a no-lynch: I never said I'm for a no-lynch. I'm just against random or premature votes on people. Generally I want to look at a case from every possible angle before I judge, that may very well look neutral/scummy from the outside... until my first vote I guess. So please have a little bit more patience. 1. I think the general misunderstanding lies in the word neutral. - Neutral as in not participating on the discussion is bad. - Neutral as in shedding light on not-discussed topics on a strongly favored lynch candidate is good. Neutral for town is not a bad thing imo, of course they have to agree on a lynch at some point. But I see neutrality at the start of day1 as a positive thing because there is so few information and you want to stretch your feelers in every possible direction to gather as much information as possible. Thus, being biased on a certain person/clue/statement hinders the information flow. 2. Well I have a full-time job and whenever I get a piece of free time I spend most of it catching up on all the new posts. e.g. today I'll head to a rehearsal straight after work and will get home maybe at 9-10 pm CET. I'm at work right now and shouldn't even take so much time to write this post... but whatever it's pretty fun!  In all honesty: that sounds pretty reasonable, although it was an agressive move. I never said that I am going to lurk and wait. I will post as much as I possibly can and when I see it necessary. Reading his latest posts I may have misjudged him. No real opinion on him atm. Ok now on to the reps)squishy case: If you read through his posts he is either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive. In any cases his argumentation is repetitive and overall not very convincing, therefore I agree that even if he is town he would be of little use and should be lynched. OTOH he would still be more useful than StiMaDDict or sc_a.M. Stimaddict was active early on and got super silent now, which could be because he doesn't want to get more attention or just is busy in real life atm. sc_a.M literally made 2 posts until the second half of day1, which is poor at best. Those posts were contraproductive for town. That is why I will vote for him if he doesn't contribute/defend himself in the next hours. But if it is necessary I will switch votes to reps before day1 ends. Umasi: He is pressing hard on reps atm. The way he confronts reps seems scummy to me and if reps turns out to be town he will definately be a big candidate for scum next day. Alakaslam: He is also on reps. But unlike Umasi he went on a more supportive approach, trying to help reps to defend himself. While reps is clearly in a dead end, there is no need to increase the pressure any more. That is a strong town sign because we should support each other as town. As we can see the difference is pretty overwhelming, especially when the things he has mentioned have been brought up by people in the posts before him: He also posts as a reply to lonemeow here: + Show Spoiler + On September 05 2013 00:54 infii wrote: Still too early for conclusions. The only thing I find noteworthy until now is Umasi's kinda-agressiveness and twisting words in others mouths, seems a bit scummy. Not only are these two posts suspicious but his initial post was: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 08:01 infii wrote: Welcome everyone, good to be back again! Similiar to the last game I won't be able to devote as much time to this game as I would like to for rl reasons. I see we have some familiar faces from 2 games ago. I will try to discard my knowledge of your playstyles as much as I can to prevent a mis-judgement based on earlier behaviour. This game I'll try a different approach, and although I know no one is will straight out believe a simple claim, I still think that the claim pins itself either consciously or sub-consciously in your memory. So here goes: I'm town. I'm excited to see how this day will fold out, so happy discussing everyone! I'm heading to bed right away and will see you tomorrow. He went out of his way to mention that he is town for no reason whatsoever. Obviously, you can take that to mean anything you want but in my point of view there is scummy intentions behind implanting things like that in the start of the game. It's obviously emphasised by his follow up posts that draw me to suspicions on his first post. heavenz + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 08:26 heavenz wrote: Good evening fellow top agents. Let us rest old and dry cases and let this be our only concerne as it already runs blood red. Lynching is the righteous answere on the evildoings of the terrorists, so we shall lynch. This was his first post and some people pointed it out as being scummy. I assume he is new (only 17 posts on the site, no previous mafia games here etc.) and so that is the reason for his post (This happened in a game 2 games ago and the guy was town.) So there is no information to read from this whatsoever. However after his flavour post was: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 15:26 heavenz wrote: Umasi, is very aggressive, which is a townlike nature, but beeing aggressive on the first day with everyone just getting into isn't a big feat, so that reduces my town read of him at the moment, at least he called me out for my opening post, which was indeed worthless, and thought to be just a bit of a discussion starter before I went to bed (I didn't think the game would actually start yesterday). However Pharcyd3 also jumped on me with 1 post, 1 line, calling me out and then leaving the thread. At least equally scummy to my opening post, even more so that he just followed Umasi. There need to come more indeed. Lord Velocity, I don't have to quote here much as every post says: he doesn't like to get attention and tries to behave neutral / hide Holyflare is just doing his thing, posting much, but the content is mostly contentless. As he said himself, he is holding back his informations. Blurry good townread opening posts, focussing on the discussion. Chairman Ray, suspicious, or just weird? What is this about... Killerdog, started out with a strong town post, but then just keept summing Umasi's and Holyf.'s conversation up. I want to have more than you just repeating and summing up the last 5 posts. most Scum: Lord Velocity, Pharcyd3, Chairman Ray, Holyflare (until he stops holding back, which I assume will be on day 1, then we'll see.) most Town: Blurry, Killerdog, Umasi This is non contributary. The only real merit was that he wrote a few lines on Umasi, however when you look closely it holds nothing of value seeing as a few posts before it was killerdogs same reasoning: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 13:30 killerdog wrote: This thread is growing much faster then i expected already lol, every time i think i've caught up, i refresh and theres another 10 posts waiting for me. Not much seems to have happened so far, other then the prolonged discussion about whether to lynch or not, but heres what I've got so far. First note, Umasi and holyflare seem to me to be the two players steering the conversation, they're the people who bring up new topics, or actively disagree with/try to change the public consensus on something. Also noted that they both mentioned having played with each other, infi and lonemeow, so they're definitely not first time players, and that's probably why they're being so much less timid then everyone else. Also infi didn't mention either of them or lonemeow in his one post, but this might just be because he seemed like he was just saying hi before he went to bed (from his one post, which didn't reference the current conversation at all). Several people have only made one or two posts, with very little content. Velocity, who several people seem to have jumped on already, as blurry said, Heavenz made one post, which didn't say anything at all. I'm going to overlook that as him just being on the way to bed/about to go somewhere, however it's a bad first impression and he'll have to prove his worth actively when he gets back. pharcyd3, who noone seems to have mentioned (at least before i started writing this essay :p) has only made a single post, and it was one sentence openly attacking heavenz. While having a useless first post can be excused as just dipping your toes in the water or something, he openly threw doubt on someone, said absolutely nothing else, then vanished. Just based off this he'd probably be my scum read. It feels like two philosophies are clashing between Umasi and Holyflare, both have been incredibly vocal and assertive in terms of controlling the discussion, and haven't been at all afraid to take a stand. A lot of the (non lynch/sleep) discourse seems to have been basically those responding to each other and other people just agreeing with one or the other. Personally I think given how there are many people who have said literally nothing of value so far, there hasn't been any reason for either Umasi or Holyflare to be this vocal/sure of themselves should they be scum, and because of how easy it could have been for them to calmly take the backseat and let people waste time, I wouldn't (currently) feel comfortable voting for either. If nothing else, I think a a vocal mafia is much better to keep until day 2 (and lynch him then) then a quiet townie who will stay quiet, because it gives a shitload of information. Although that doesn't mean I don't want Holyflare to clarify his position. He got a bit confrontational after (i think blurry) mentioned everyone just giving scum/town reads. My current read is Holyflare and Umasi are both town, but both seem to have (subconsciously or not) tried to take on the "leadership" role of the townies, and seem to be clashing. (note i've been writing this for a while now and more stuff might have been said since i started. Umasi has been the most consistent though, starting off by discouraging people making "i am new" posts to avoid mislynches, and has been consistent in starting conversations which would force mafia to say things which might later come back to haunt them. It's 6 am so I'm probably gonna go to sleep now, looking forward to seeing how the thread develops overnight, and hopefully my grammar/spelling will be better tomorrow and i wont ramble as much :p Pretty much blending in and then he says: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 20:14 heavenz wrote: yes I am here, it bothers me that there are so many players inactive. On top of the inactive there are those I listed as suspicious (besides holyf.) who still need to answere. Infis from what I' ve read last game, and from what he said pre game hasn't have much time but will must likly come out with a huge post at one point. Not sure how I can judge that then. myrzeth hasn't said a single thing besides /in. I would like to hear more from you, LoneMeow, what do you think about the remaining players, aside of Umasi / Holyf. He puts me on his scum list but doesn't want to hear anything more from me, not even a question about what I've said or any queries that he didn't like. More blending in etc. His + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 21:31 heavenz wrote: He's active, his opinions are townlike, he studied Lord Velocity who behaved a little suspicious. He started a discussion to bring everyone to speak and voice their opinions. That's more town than the most right now. Yes it could be fake, but in my book his action are town. On September 04 2013 23:32 heavenz wrote: I know what you mean, it's my first game as well. You act overly defensive as soon as someone talks about you, that's suspecious because if you're town you have nothing to hide. Also it's not a shitty town when someone asks questions, it's the job. That you don't think about yourself as suspecious is nice, but it doesn't mean that the others think the same. You are also in no danger to be lynched as not a single person voted for you. So man up a bit! I agree with you too, we should hear more opinions. I don't really have questions to ask them rather than point out these obvious weak posts. I will be voting one of these two most probably in the next day. Lord Velocity and Chairman Ray were close on these lists, however velocity has been put under some pressure and has been working towards what I see as a more pro town active role. In fact ray should be another one on this list even but I'll post that a bit later, these are the candidates I'd rather focus on for now. I want a lot more contributions from them if they want to be cleared from here. | ||
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On September 05 2013 11:35 Bereft wrote: wow, this thread moved fast. a couple of things right off the bat: heavenz, were you doing a super speedy skim of the thread? because (a) i called ray out for that comment ages ago and (b) you provided thoughts on basically EVERY SINGLE POSTER last night save for me. hurts my feelings bro. to me, all you've done is provide a vague summary of everyone's comments with light FOS on a few players. i appreciate the sentiment if it's genuine, but this really does not sum up as a pro-town post to me. in response to killerdog's comment, i was by no means satisfied with holyflare's responses, but it seemed pretty clear to me that he was dead set from opining on any of us at that point and that he's confident his game play and method can catch scum. to me, this came down to more of a stylistic difference rather than scum vs non scum behavior, so i decided i'd rather just make a note of it and see how his posting evolves (as he hinted that it would with time) rather than eat up the discussion with bickering about differing playing styles. don't tell me what to do, you're not my parole officer. ok so it seems insane to me how badly LV's defense was in response to the BAREST of pressure placed upon him. unfair, really? i'm willing to entertain the idea that he's an anxious townie and wanted to post something before he was accused of inactivity (i'm talking about his very first post, mind you, nobody had mentioned they thought he was scummy at this point) -- but at the same time, why would a townie be so anxious to throw out a comment that he hasn't really thought through, ie posting just for the sake of posting? also suspicious is the fact that he then tries to shift the blame to Umasi, 1 of the players who responded aggressively towards his comment iirc. i think also light suspicion was directed at] me. LV, if you have any questions to send my way, please go ahead and ship em over. i'm happy to expand on anything i've already written, because right now it looks to me like you're grasping at straws. unfortunately because he has no other game play for me to take a look at, i can't tell if this is just his town play. trust me, i'm heavily debating this right now. finally, fk man, have myrzeth or pharcyd3 posted anything?? (and no, i don't count pharcyd3's 1 liner as a post) Looks familiar...... Will respond to the other questions stated towards me when I wake up, night. | ||
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On September 05 2013 18:22 myRZeth wrote: Being quiet is usually the best choice, at least on the SC2 Mafia Arcade game. You re able to observe everything and judge on your own. Don t worry, i m active Seriously, I am 100% going to vote you in the next few hours unless you post something with contribution... This is NOT the sc2 mafia game. | ||
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On September 05 2013 07:56 killerdog wrote: Separately, About the idea of pressuring people before the deadline. Personally I don't think thats a very reliable tool at all, given the fact that we're Spread out among several timezones, people will have valid excuses for not being here near the deadline, so if the person who you want to pressure goes to bed 4-5 horus before the deadline, then you're left there faced with the choice of either starting a movement to lynch someone who won't be there to defend themselves before the lynch deadline, or having to give up on that target for the round. If you artificially constrain the period where you're willing to pressure people to a certain period, then either they can just not be in the thread for the period, or alternately, people who are asleep/at work/school during the period of time before the lynch will seem suspicious just because of the timezone they happen to live in. But I'd love to hear your argument in support of it. (or clarification if i misunderstood what you were getting at. All people should be around in the last few hours of the deadline regardless of time zone, especially as this deadline is pretty good for every timezone. The last hour or two is when bandwagons and speed lynching happens, if you aren't around then it is incredibly suspicious, especially if they have left their vote on somebody. (I did this last game and got a shit tonne of flak for it but was legitimately away unfortunately.) The thing is if they haven't contributed much the entire day and then you make a case on them late in time, i'm expecting them to rush out a post or posts that would make me want to keep them in the game till later over somebody else. The lynch on the first day for me is who would help the town the least in the long run, not necessarily catching out scum. Although those things are usually in tandem. Although, yes, this is a newbie game and scum is easier to catch out I guess but that is bad practice for playing proper games where everybody will be at roughly the same posting fluency. Also, when the last minute lynches happen the scum are usually caught off guard. Voting inconsistencies and people on last minute bandwagons etc become much more apparent (these people are usually scum). So, more often than not if you have noticed something on the lynch you can keep that information for a while and see how the people who were suspicious on that lynch can interact with people and formulate cases around that. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In regards to heavenz post; + Show Spoiler + On September 05 2013 17:58 heavenz wrote: so firstly regarding me, Umasis orignional opinion about me was : then come Holyf. made me suspicious because I have him on my scum list but didn't press on. My answere to that is that you're a) an active player b) you said you kept your reads to yourself for a given while perhaps that was scum tactics to delay anything, but it sounded reasonable to me. I was just cuirous to see your reads on players, but I was expecting you to post them without me having to press them out of you (I am not sure I know how that works lol). Then you press on about my idle posts, that they are non-contributary. I don't know how you value contribuatry in this game, so I can't say anything to that. I was writing down what I thought in that moment, because it seems in my timezone was nothing happening. What is interesting is however is that usami jumps on your post regarding me, on brings it one step further and immidiatly votes me, regardless of me having sleeping at that time and no news. It smells like a follow move, have you finally established total dominance? He's falling in love with your analysis. We have to give credit were credit is due, you weren't the first to go on me, his gut feeling can be explained as such: True though is that the most charismatic player (Holyf) and the most aggressive player (Umasi) seem to dislike I. So how can I defend my entrance post, it's not possible anymore, it was written. I adore roleplaying, and was surprise how I was shut down... we are agents after all, are we not... wtf. what ever. ok continue with Bereft jumping following umasi on me, and make me look suspicious for a) calling out the weird ray QT post I saw that you asked, but I didn't really understand what it meant, so I hoped for a better explanation. b) the truth is, you're to complex for me to understand. + Show Spoiler + @holyflare - agreed that meta has its merits, especially in a newbie game. i think that newbies' meta could be easier to discern vs. vets because we aren't as self-aware in our game play. what i do find interesting is that per your comments, i went back to browse past games, and in the last game you were in, like the very first post i see you make right out of the gate advocates lynching all liars and lurkers. mind explaining the sudden change of heart? why initiate this topic of conversation? sure, you could argue about the "math" of not lynching, but while this ultimately comes down to a game about numbers (like survivor!) your speculation about the math of it all seems pointless to me, because how do you quantify something like the present value of future clues? the cost of inaction? etc etc. i like blurry's idea. it's a bit early for me to have much of an opinion, but why not: on the town-dar: umasi - a bit rude perhaps, but not afraid to tread on toes and call shit out. on the scum-dar: don't wanna seem like i'm just following you, but i gotta say lord velocity too. while my first instinct was also to be suspicious of holyflare for advocating no lynch, i think LV was a bit quick to FOS holyflare with a 1-liner just for that. because i could see several reasons why scum would prefer a lynch day 1. if anything they might even think they stand to gain more by lynching day 1 vs no lynch unless they're incredibly risk averse lol. I don't understand anything. + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 12:08 Holyflare wrote: That being said I'm not telling you my scum reads or especially my town reads at this moment in time. hahaha ok dude, we'll try our best to survive the night without your brilliant insights. can't promise that we will though. it's not in our hands. (yours...maybe?) This was not my reacting, even though I posted in the same way as you. I expected Holyf. to give reads before the night. + Show Spoiler + hm. well. if we're just going to chat and make small talk ... i have to admit i'm no longer browsing that other newbie game for "meta" -- but for pure lulz. Alakaslam and iVLosK! sooo good. so many gems. i'd probably have kept alakaslam alive just for the banter. hahah but seriously if we're just going to talk about inconsequential shit, what's the point? also infii, killerdog, myrzeth, pharcyd3, where you guys at? Some "meta" stuff I don't understand. Calling out afk's, reasonable. At write a 1 or 2 liner to everyplayer, without any actualy content or further explanations. I can come to a conclusion, likewise. Regarding Lord Velocity I will say this, Umasi seems to belive he's town, and interpreting every word he says as a town newby mistake. In fact Lord Velocity seems to panic under pressure but bold after he felt Umasi shielding him. This could mean some things, either Lord Velocity is playing a wicked sick good noob, or he indeed is a town that can't deal with pressure for what eer reasons. We will see. (Lord V don't take this post attack right now :D, at the moment I am almost convinced, that edit thing was way over the top lol). Regarding Holyf. I am actually dissapointed by his analysis. He was given time without pressure, and all he comes up with is heavenz ain't much town coz his idle post sucks. Deep man. You have some backstory on Infis we couldn't know and you play it out. Regarding Infis it's hard to have a opinion, coz his town play is very casual, I appreciate your efford to suspect him, as I appreciate your efford to suspect me, but I am still hoping for more. I wrote you as scum because I don't see the purpose of most of your post yesterday. You were arguing about things I don't acknowldge as relating to the game, and give some smartass advice. Yes you played before, I get it. you posted too much, but your typical day1 post looked like this + Show Spoiler + Also, I never said not to talk about scum reads, just how can you possibly formulate a case on somebody so quickly????? If you want to accuse someone of being scum why would you publicly announce it SO early with the offchance that they could 180 on their whole style of writing because you picked out their name. Why not keep it to yourself and formulate the case based on your initial suspicions and when it comes close to actually lynching someone you'd have substantial reasoning for a lynch rather than, 'oh his first post was scummy but then he became better'... As for questions towards you, I asked for you to elaborate first before I asked the questions but now you've mimicked other peoples responses because you were away so I don't need to ask the questions anymore. glad you changed your mind. + Show Spoiler + I find it ridiculous that people can post pages about lurker lynching, their ideas on what people are doing that is town and not town but when I post it then what? It's "let's stop talking about policy bla bla"..... calm down, i'm redirecting conversation to more applicable topics rather than what is going on which is a lot more helpful than shitting all over the post. policies... what the fuck then comes your 1 post, the one single post that has actual (this) game concerning content, in which you finally give some of your long waited reads. You come up with your background story on infi which makes him look more scummy and that regard me, that is all? You're trying to establish a pole position in this town without *actually* giving much? I think you're underestimating noobs,.. or not. I'll keep an eye on you. The fact you had me on your scum list but did not press me further is one of the reasons (among the others I mentioned) that you were written down in my post, however, let me address some of your points. Then you press on about my idle posts, that they are non-contributary. I don't know how you value contribuatry in this game, so I can't say anything to that. I was writing down what I thought in that moment, because it seems in my timezone was nothing happening. Disregard the newbie aspect of this game so far. The whole point of mafia is deception and analysis depending on which role you get. In order to do that people need to actively contribute towards the analysis. Saying briefly what people have said is not analysis, it is summarisation. The more that people post the more content you have to discern their overall motive in the game. The people that will be targeted in day 1 are the people that have not posted ANALYSIS or are lower on the post counts without actual quality written pieces. Unfortunately, you were one of the two people who weren't complete lurkers and so you were the obvious targets for my post. I posted my piece allowing ample time for you to step up your game which you subsequently seemed to have done with your post and so my vote may be now lingering towards infii or chairman ray. Specifically, I will analyse ray because I've done infii already and I'll always be more hesitant to vote off a player that I know the playstyle of. As for the rest of your posts, I like your segment on bereft. He started off as someone that was definitely town orientated but has had a slippery slop of degrading posts ever since so I'm not too sure on him. In regards to lord velocity you have pretty much just written what the others have said but I do agree that he is most probably newbie town but I won't let him get off that easily later. The 2 posts you quoted from me I stand by what I said, everyone was getting sidetracked by calling people scum and not critiquing their posts but I'm not going to beat a dead horse it's been said a million times over and I would not change what I have written at all. There is also nothing contradictary within them. I made cases on the 2 people I think were most lynch worthy, I do not care if they are scum or not at this point the whole idea is to get people to expand on their writing styles which you have done in this post. This town had no direction, I have given it direction. | ||
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On September 05 2013 23:57 myRZeth wrote: Of course it s not, but i m new to the TL mafia game, so i ll follow my own strategies in the game for now Sure thing, do that. ##Vote myRZeth | ||
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On September 06 2013 00:05 myRZeth wrote: voting holyflare, because he s voting me without any clues/analysis/whatever you can t vote somebody because of his playstyle, especially not that early, think about that simply a countervote Yes you can. Like I said, this isn't SC2 mafia. If you have contributed nothing in the game so far and refuse to why should we keep you in? The whole point of the game is to identify yourself as town to other people within the town. How is this possible when you refuse to post ANYTHING? You could easily just as likely be mafia doing the same thing since there is no reason for a town to hold back so you become the most useless person to us in the game currently. It is also not early, there is not long left in the day phase. | ||
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On September 06 2013 00:09 myRZeth wrote: my point is that a different approach isn t necessary wrong approach Quite frankly it is in this forum. Unless you change now you will definitely be dead this lynch because other people follow the same sentiment as me. That is why I'm trying to give you advice before you die, if you don't take it that is not my problem. | ||
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