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yeah, it would be the same.
That said, we shouldn't ever plan to no lynch unless shit has either A: really hit the fan or B: we can win with jailkeep protects/doc protects/cop checks/something that you can logic out (see ....three games ago? with chromatically, where he singles out the SK as nightcat in such a pattern).
despite the last game you played with me, I really am a fan of lynching every day.
consider this situation last game, where it was stim/me/slam/deus
if we nolynched, I'd have shot stim.
we could have no lynched for more time, but that's also saying 'stim, your opinions are literally not worth acting upon.'
No lynching if everyone is equally scummy (for some reason) isn't as bad, but still *shrug*
lynching is the single power a vanilla townie has (which we all are in thread, btw), so no lynching to me is squandering that power.
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On September 04 2013 07:36 Chairman Ray wrote:
Regardless of the math, a day 1 lynch as the norm gets people talking. No lynch = no incentive to give up information. Unless everyone is super cooperative and gives great information, we lynch.
anything else to add about anything?
Holyflare:
no lynching is 'occasionally alright'. I'll grant you that.
But no lynching D1 is not good.
the problem is you could be 'lynching a potential townsman'
but the entire reason you are lynching that person is because they are more than likely a potential scummer!
voting to no lynch because the target could be town is like not using your doctor save because your target could be scum and there'd be a vig shot on him. Like, is that sensible?
not really.
I'm gonna go to class, I'll be back later tonight.
/afk
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Posting on shitty iPod ATM, hope it formats correctly. Why are we still talking about the benefits and disadvantages of no lynching? Policy is a good conversation starter, not a good subject of conversation. Heavens, that post is worthless. Absolutely irrelevant. Said nothing. Role playing is something I am increasingly losing patience for. At least pretend to have read the discussion. Holy flare is wrong but townie, null on info, ray is scummy, heavens is scummiest, blurry is null. Heavens is scummiest for his entrance, ray for being active but useless.
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I read that post similarly to heavens, velocity. What do you think of my current reads?
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I am not concerned about myself, what about ray and heavens? I go to class now afk
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I am around to talk to, class finished and I'm at my computer.
I'm not telling you my scum reads or especially my town reads at this moment in time.
Why not?
missed this somehow earlier -- was posting from my phone. ray what do you mean by "everyone"? thought only mafia and masons get this privilege......
he was like 'oh hoh hoh this is a clever way to catch scum'
or he's a troll.
or he's legitimately confused by how this game is played.
On September 04 2013 11:09 Blurry wrote:
This discussion is pretty slow so how about this.
Everyone answer the following questions.
Who is your strongest town read?
Who is your strongest scum read?
This will let us see where peoples allegiances lie. Also, give reasons for your choices.
Strongest town read: Holyflare, active, trying to provide analysis
Strongest scum read: Lord Velocity, hes just following along with Umasi's ideas, not really providing any of his own stuff.
strongest town read:You for asking this question and trying to talk about something productive.
strongest scum read: vel, for calling me out as town and ignoring the other parts of my reads post, it feels like he thought I was a threat to be appeased. I also am leery of heavenz for ignoring the discussion.
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Alright holyflare.
We've beaten the subject of no lynching to death, which ended in you backtracking
You've told us that we shouldn't talk about town/scum reads day one
You didn't reveal your scum or town reads.
Why am I here again? What are we talking about?
moreover
didn't you have questions for me? Did you forget them/forget to ask them?
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ended in you backtracking the fucking conversation, not you backtracking your stance on it.
I guess I was unclear.
let me phrase this differently and in a totally explicit manner
Why am I here again? What are we talking about?
Holyflare, why are you against discussion? You helped get it going in the beginning, but you sure aren't anymore. In fact, it could be said that you are against discussion from occuring. That is blatantly scum agenda.
##VOTE HOLYFLARE
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So we should not talk until scum fuck up.
what happens if they don't?
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Vel, the way you treated me was as if I was a threat to be appeased by being like 'wow man he's pro town and I agree with him.'
Also, why did you only address things concerning you?
Why not bring up other points?
On September 04 2013 11:09 Blurry wrote:
This discussion is pretty slow so how about this.
Everyone answer the following questions.
Who is your strongest town read?
Who is your strongest scum read?
This will let us see where peoples allegiances lie. Also, give reasons for your choices.
Strongest town read: Holyflare, active, trying to provide analysis
Strongest scum read: Lord Velocity, hes just following along with Umasi's ideas, not really providing any of his own stuff.
address that.
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On September 04 2013 13:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 13:16 Umasi wrote:
So we should not talk until scum fuck up.
what happens if they don't? Why should they ever fuck up on day 1, what reason is there to? How bad would somebody have to be playing to reveal that they are actually scum on day 1?? They have the power of all knowledge what would be the reason for them to screw up. You are more than welcome to talk about your scum and town reads but I will most definitely not talk about my town reads today, scum reads will come later on in the day phase of course.
do we just sit here and twiddle thumbs?
Fwiw, I totally fucked up day one last game.
And I'm not prideful enough to call myself not awful, but purposefully not talking about something because you have information to hide is just stupid.
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NOT when they have all the time in the world, the filters and the ability to talk with their allies in QT to formulate a counter strategy and or bandwagon. There is 0 pressure from calling somebody scum now.
On September 04 2013 13:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 12:58 Bereft wrote:On September 04 2013 12:56 Holyflare wrote:On September 04 2013 12:53 Blurry wrote:
The reason you voice your suspicions is because it puts pressure on that person. When someone is under pressure they make mistakes and reveal things they shouldn't. Write about your hunches, it also allows us to see if you are innocent, and yes, when you are town you need to prove your innocence by providing good analysis and leading the discussion. Which is what happens later in the day when you can form a concise and accurate analysis and put them under pressure as it is nearer the deadline when they have less time to react and re-read the entire thread to formulate a post and so it is off the top of their head and memory. NOT when they have all the time in the world, the filters and the ability to talk with their allies in QT to formulate a counter strategy and or bandwagon. There is 0 pressure from calling somebody scum now. ok, L, what do you propose we do in the meantime then? Highlight a post that you question and ask for an explanation. It adds a pseudo pressure whereby they don't need to formulate the post, they just need to explain themselves. That is where the scum hunting is found, not by saying X or Y is scum and he has to panic create posts.
on the one hand, you like it when they panic to create posts. On the other hand, you don't like it when they have to panic to create posts.
You don't like it when they can freely post and coordinate with their allies, but you need them to formulate the post for scum hunting.
By the same logic, holyflare, why are townies EVER mislynched? They have all the time in the world, etcetcetc.
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NOT when they have all the time in the world
not by saying X or Y is scum and he has to panic create posts.
?????
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I guess?
He says two things that I think DIRECTLY CONFLICT with each other.
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On September 04 2013 13:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 13:47 Umasi wrote:NOT when they have all the time in the world not by saying X or Y is scum and he has to panic create posts. ????? oh sorry EBWOP: 'panic'
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alright, I'm happy you clarified about 'panic'.
not by saying X or Y is scum and he has to panic create posts.
downside here?
out of curiosity, did you ever read the previous games (the one with me as scum)'s qt?
I asked for geripts help on only a handful of posts, and even less of them did he respond on before I said 'eh good nuff'. Gotard and sc_a.M. playing the flaming afks for days, were also not around to consult frequently.
The scum team is not a hivemind =/
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ahem:
alright, I'm happy you clarified about 'panic'. downside here?
bolded for clarity.
and maybe my game was the exception to the rule regarding qts =/
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##UNVOTE HOLYFLARE
Do you think what I did was bad play? you can go to bed and address this when you wake up/whenever you want, I'm going to do homework.
tbth, this entire thing is pro-town since people will be able to talk about it, and it gives me more to go off of concerning you (and the people who comment about it), and possibly you more to go off of (regarding me and the people who comment), assuming you're town. If you're scum w.e.
For everyone, just a psa about me
I normally keep the person I think is the scummiest as my vote target, but since there are quite a few people I'm leery of, it rests on no one for now.
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On September 05 2013 04:03 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 03:43 LoneMeow wrote:
While we're at it:
Chairman Ray, ignoring myRZeth who hasn't posted even once, who do you think is scum and why? And what do you think about the Umasi/HolyFlare argument? I am currently working on my scum reads right now, and will post them in a sec. As for Umasi/HolyFlare, one of the best scum tactics is to have two scum ragging on each other the first day. It monopolizes the discussion preventing productive town discourse, paints them both as very pro town, and in the case that one of them turns mafia, there's a strong argument for the other one being town. Because of this, I am not willing to read them both as town. Right now, there's a possibility of both being scum, both being town, or one being mafia, so lynching one will not give us ANY headway, I say keep them both alive on day 1. Based on who gets lynched and who gets killed by mafia, we may be able to eliminate one of the possibilities.
......so in other words, you prefer to ignore the entire thing because one or both of us might be scum or town.
Here, ray, let me say this much
a good scum tactic is to look town. (shocking, I know).
Based on who gets lynched and who gets killed by mafia
I agree with the who gets killed by mafia, kind of. If I get shot, it slightly implicates holyflare because of my read on him.
However, based on who gets LYNCHED?
HOLYFLARE HAS SPECIFICALLY KEPT HIMSELF AWAY FROM ASSOCIATIONS.
CLEARLY.
Like, did you even pay attention to anything? That was the original point, he didn't want to share reads.
That paragraph is pretty null, as in you said little of worth. Why do you think that pressure, however obvious, is counterproductive discourse?
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Also,
WIFOM
I was in class when you asked and didn't get to respond with that comic :<<<
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