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On August 15 2013 13:57 cDgCorazon wrote: Alakaslam is our last player. Game will start at the deadline August 15th. Ouch, my brain hurts in advance for having to try to figure him out... | ||
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On August 16 2013 03:53 Holyflare wrote: Let's get this thing going Yes, let's do that. How about some policy talk to start with, what do you think about "lynch all liars" policy? | ||
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On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote: Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars. But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker? | ||
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On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote: If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars. Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him? While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content? | ||
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On August 16 2013 05:23 DeusXmachina wrote: Analyzing peoples previous games to determine their role this game, good or bad in newbie? Major changes in style might warrant a closer look, but I wouldn't really use meta in a case against someone. | ||
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On August 16 2013 12:20 Alakaslam wrote: From what I have seen any longer than 8 hours is definitely pushing it. Wow, that's harsh. I guess you don't like sleeping in very much?-) Personally, I think any hard deadline is a bit pointless and likely leads to zero content "I'm still here!" posts. In fact, I don't care so much at all about the post counts, it's the amount of content that really matters. On August 16 2013 13:05 DeusXmachina wrote: Although, I am leaning slightly town on JAT. Oh, that's interesting, I'd like to hear your reasoning. Personally, I'm pretty much null on everyone but slightly wary of iVLosK! - while his "policy" about posting obvious stuff indeed makes a bit of sense in late game it felt like he was trying to stifle what little conversation we were trying to get going at that point, which isn't very pro-town. I have a tendency of misreading players like him though, so I have to tread carefully here. | ||
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On August 16 2013 14:02 Alakaslam wrote: Careful of posting pseudo lurker lists... Look. That is the easies thing for scum to do to try and look town, 1, and 2, if we have vigs, they can shoot into lurkers and we lynch other lurkers till there are none. So it is established that you can't lurk and get by this game. Stating their scumminess other than to explain a vote on them is now irrelevant, lets stick to discussion about actives. Then, before the deadline (close as you can get) vote for a lurker or someone you find scummy- who may have more of a chance turning out to be scum than someone who wanted blue or irl'ed or whatever causes people to do this stuff. By the way, we don't have vigs. Read the game setup. Your point is valid though, discussing lurkers (especially this early) is pretty pointless. | ||
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On August 16 2013 14:13 Alakaslam wrote: On iVLosk!- you don't know him, he's like that. He doesn't put up with BS. He is not actually a newb, this is like running into Plexa on some forum he has yet to visit- he looks new but he is an Internet veteran. iVLosk! Is a skilled player and I would hate to lose him as town. I actually do somewhat know his style, we were both in a game with him earlier, and that's why I said I need to be careful on how I read him, since he's a likely misread for me. Since it seems to be just you and me here, let's talk about something. Your thoughts on Squibbles' first post? | ||
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On August 16 2013 14:55 Alakaslam wrote: Can you be a little more specific? I thought I addressed it right after it, above my Chloe post... You addressed the content itself, but I was more curious of your thoughts of it as a first post. Did it seem like the way a town player would enter the game? | ||
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On August 16 2013 15:10 DeusXmachina wrote: WIFOM = wine in front of me right? FoS = ? Is there a list of this shit I can look at? Mafiascum wiki is the usual place to look for me. | ||
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On August 16 2013 15:16 Alakaslam wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424098 Check my reads. Why? You are suspicious? Okay, I see your track record on figuring out first posts isn't exactly stellar :D I want to see people talk about each other, because that makes the game much easier to figure out. I consider his first post pretty much null from a completely new player. On that matter, my reads so far: slightly town on DeusXmachina and Alakaslam, null on the rest. | ||
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On August 16 2013 19:15 justanothertownie wrote: Btw. I would like it very much if we could agree on not lying if it isn't absolutely necessary for some reason. If a VT claims cop to save himself I will get mad. Worst case we lynch a so called redcheck who flips town and kill the fake cop (also town) afterwards. Probably wastes 2 cycles of discussion and we have 2 mislynches. Never do that. Why are you so stuck on this scenario, anyway? | ||
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On August 16 2013 20:30 justanothertownie wrote: Because it was mentioned someone did it in one of the last newbie games and because there were 2 townies who fakeclaimed cop in the first game I played. Ok, I see. What do you think of this game so far, any reads? | ||
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On August 17 2013 09:49 Alakaslam wrote: That being said yes he could go about it differently. But iVLosk is not aLaKaSLaM or Umasi or Hurricane sponge or Hzflank, he is iVLosk! The butt doctor And discrediting a player's statements can be a good thing to do. (Eg HolyFlare being scum- haven't ruled that out). If the statement hasn't got merit it should be discredited, right? Disclaimer: do I agree with iVLosk? Possibly. I need to weigh it all. Why are you softly defending (and buddying up to) another player again? Didn't you learn from what happened in the last game with Umasi? Please keep an open mind, so far anyone in this game could be scum. I still think you're town though. Who's your current best scum read? | ||
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On August 17 2013 14:30 reps)squishy wrote: Squibbles said I run PST and do work so my main times where I will be extremely active will be after 4:30 Which he has not. So do you think he's scum? Why so non-committal? Your filter is worrying, low activity and I get a feel that you're just trying to find a target to latch on rather than trying to find scum. | ||
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On August 17 2013 18:05 reps)squishy wrote: I am just pointing out things that other people may find important. I have not voted for anyone. Day 1 is really hard I die night 1 every time  . Partly because you like to point out things but not take harder stances, which looks scummy. So who's your best scum read right now? | ||
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Now, Squibbles needs to start posting. Or I'll have him hung. ##Vote: Squibbles | ||
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On August 17 2013 18:41 iVLosK! wrote: And in your opinion, is Deus playing to this meta he's established? My burning question is, why aren't you playing like you did in XLII? I remember you being far more aggressive and attacking people, now you seem to be content to just drop remarks from the sidelines... | ||
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On August 17 2013 22:32 justanothertownie wrote: I have a question, sir. Why are you pushing these 2 while completely ignoring Xzavier who didn't post anything at all? Because it's utterly useless to pressure someone who isn't participating in the game and will be modkilled/replaced? Now if he does a last minute post/vote he can be sure I shall dump my righteous fury on him, but until then I'd rather concentrate on those who I can actually pressure into talking. | ||
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My current top scum suspects, in no particular order: Squibbles - is participating in the game, but hasn't really produced any content nor reads iVLosK! - it seems to me that his play is different from last time, but that's weak so I'm prepared to watch him for now reps)squishy - although he finally gave some reads that only happened after being pressured so I'm still suspicious Had a relatively strong town read on Holyflare, but his useless (and very non-committal) vote on Xzavier makes me a little worried I might be misreading. | ||
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On August 17 2013 23:39 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, did you play with reps before? Did he play like that in the past? I mean his posts are horrible but I don't think they are alignment indicative. He should definitely post some more though. You are right about Squibbles. No reads as of yet. I obsed reps' last game before this and yes, there are similarities. He was town in that one and mislynched D1 for playing pretty much like this. That's why I'm cutting him some slack, he's such obvious lynchbait. However, that kind of meta makes it very easy to hide as scum, so I will keep him on my list of people to watch closely for now. In other news: It's very worrying that we're only a few hours from lynch and there are no real wagons, or even scum reads from most of the players. If you fit either of the descriptions above, please do something about fixing that. | ||
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On August 18 2013 01:17 Alakaslam wrote: Good morning everyone. I agree with Holyflare's stance first of all ##Vote: Xzavier As a placeholder. However the squibbles voting is intriguing. It is a policy lynch based on what may be IRL circumstances. Is there actually something wrong with his posting, other than the lack of it? If not, may want to reconsider... ... As according to his own deadlines, he will likely be modkilled. It is 9:15 on the west coast. Any better reasons though? As the same goes for Xzavier... So if squib is preferable guess what When I dropped my vote on Squibbles I was fully expecting him to speak up before the deadline as he had said he's reading the thread during EU daytime. Now that it looks like he might be modkilled/replaced just like Xzavier I'm fully prepared to switch. On August 18 2013 01:22 Alakaslam wrote: Indeed, iVLosK! Looks bad after reading up on HolyFlare, but are there enough reasons to voteswitch? Shall he defense hisself? I'm fully prepared to switch to iVLosK! - as I've stated he seems to be suspiciously timid compared to his style in XLII and the point about not bringing much content that Holyflare brings up has merit. Also, now that you're here, can I have a few reads from you? | ||
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On August 18 2013 02:06 Alakaslam wrote: I will definitely second this. If I am right in my suspicions, IVLosk should be first lynch. If I am wrong we really shouldn't lynch any of them ofc. So much in agreement. I have a better scum read on iVLosK! than Squibbles, so I'm going to switch. Squibbles seems to be headed to modkill/replace territory anyway.  ##Unvote: Squibbles ##Vote: iVLosK! PS. How I wish I could turn off those annoying graphical emoticons. | ||
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This game is made of fail. (Not aimed at the hosts; more about the general level of lurkiness, afking and such.) Also, nice last minute switcharoo to a completely useless lynch that ended up being town. | ||
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On August 18 2013 04:49 iVLosK! wrote: It's important to note that JAT's read on me is based on the fact that he's HEARD (though, he hasn't gone and read) that I am a bigger dick than this and the fact that I was offline while you guys put together that little 1 hour wagon on me. Not just that but his overall play has been pretty much to follow the thread sentiment and bandwagon, he's either very new to the game or scum (or both). Hasn't given any reads either, not even when directly asked to, so he's on the list of scummy people. | ||
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On August 18 2013 05:59 Koshi wrote: Imo next lynch kill one of those. I could very much agree that there was at least one scum on that wagon. | ||
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Whatever it is that you're smoking, can I have some of that? On August 18 2013 03:18 Onegu wrote: Xzavier has been lynched. Xzavier you are MVP Sniper a eSF Player (VT) . As a Code A Zerg you are hungry for better results, no better place to get them than this GSL, 6 pool your way through all KeSPA players. Good Luck Have Fun. | ||
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Do you realize how much I hate it that instead of reading what you want to say in less than half a minute I have to pause my music, watch some shitty video for a few minutes, then try to guess if you actually were trying to say something with it or if it was just spam? | ||
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On August 18 2013 08:37 Koshi wrote: Also. I am town. OmniEulogy is also town because he got replaced after me. Because Cora isn't going to replace a townie first and then replace a scum in a 7 vs 2 game. So we got 2 confirmed townies already. This game will be easy. Host WIFOM, the best kind of WIFOM. I'd recommend against this kind of talk if you want to not be on my scum list. | ||
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On August 18 2013 15:00 Alakaslam wrote: I put a translation and also u r ignoring it why Because I didn't see it until afterwards. | ||
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On August 19 2013 03:22 OmniEulogy wrote: I'll have to take another look at LosK then as well. He's messing around a lot which makes it very difficult for me to read him. I just don't think scum would be so openly ballsy as he is being lol Please take a very careful look at him and compare his play to NMM XLII. Either he's town trolling very hard (why would he do that?) or scum trying to play some weird mind games. | ||
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On August 19 2013 03:45 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, I would call you scum for failing to read my filter if I didn't think you are really inexperienced, too. Do you have any valid reason to call me scum other than that I agreed with you earlier? Seriously. Your both votes were sheeping me and you still haven't given any scum reads, even after I asked you. There's very little in your filter that's actual new content not already stated by someone at that point. Would you mind giving me a read now so I can maybe feel a bit better about you? To be honest, since there's probably just 2 scum and I have far scummier targets I don't really think you're scum, but it never hurts to be a little paranoid. | ||
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On August 19 2013 04:04 justanothertownie wrote: I gave scumreads not an hour ago. Besides that you asked me very early Day1 how could I have a clear scumread at this point? If I had THAT would have been scummy. Quite obviously no one's asking for absolutely clear scum read on anyone during D1, but it's extremely useful to have some info from everyone even if they're weak gut reads. | ||
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On August 19 2013 06:49 justanothertownie wrote: Why do you think Deus and slam did what they did if iVLosk is town to you? This is very much the key question. If Alakaslam is scum, it's almost certain that iVLosK! is scum also, otherwise his last minute vote switch makes no sense whatsoever. Why would he switch from one townie to another just to make himself look bad? Even more so, why would he switch from a townie he knows to be reasonably strong player to another who's 0-poster? If Deus is scum and truly believed it was majority lynch then iVLosK! could be town. If both Alakaslam and Deus are scum their play just plain makes no sense. If both Alakaslam and Deus are town my brain will explode from how stupid play that was, especially from Alakaslam. | ||
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On August 19 2013 07:24 OmniEulogy wrote: If we take it at face value, Deus didn't think LosK was scum and panicked, Slam was sheeping him both onto the LosK lynch and Xzavier one I believe as there isn't much of a reason given by Slam. Deus at least said "I don't think LosK is scum" or something to that effect. The biggest issue I have with LosK being scum and either Deus / Slam being his scum buddy in this scenario is why would you bus your scum buddy D1 for absolutely no reason? I don't think a scum vote on LosK makes much sense either if LosK is scum. But why would Alakaslam sheep such a horrible vote? I could accept Deus' explanation that he thought it was majority lynch, but I can't think of any reason for Alakaslam's vote besides the one I proposed above. | ||
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On August 19 2013 07:24 OmniEulogy wrote: The biggest issue I have with LosK being scum and either Deus / Slam being his scum buddy in this scenario is why would you bus your scum buddy D1 for absolutely no reason? I don't think a scum vote on LosK makes much sense either if LosK is scum. Maybe that was an attempt to distance from the scumbuddy, vote him and then switch to the counterwagon. Which kind of failed when a counterwagon didn't appear. Would that make sense? Or just plain bus when it seemed like he'd be the only real candidate (the wagon formed relatively close to the deadline after all). | ||
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On August 19 2013 14:09 Alakaslam wrote: Hi I'm back Read Holyflare's filter But basically I need to help convince town we aren't scum team because I went and was an idiot and got wishy washy The juices flow Ok so I voted vlosk because he hasn't been explicitly helpful, and then I remembered my meta impression of him was fallacious... Then I get the juices of reservation flowing and lo and behold deus is reserved too and I think to myself "I was reps hammer last time and in the event iVLosk is messing around to later be bamcis town he would be a great loss as a mislynch crap crap what we do now" and he voted Xzavier and I remembered HolyFlare and was like "oh yeah" and I was in hurry like 5 minutes from deadline so I just did it was not thinking straight and boom. So scummy like "ok let's bus vlosk and then not do it lol and since I think he is so bamcis I should just not make sense" or I don't even know what my scum motive for that mistake is. Wow, that's weak. "He's messing around to later be awesome" is your reason for doing that utterly horrible voteswitch? So who would you lynch today? | ||
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On August 18 2013 23:34 Alakaslam wrote: It will be a while before day post but I will be gone Koshi may be right, but I'm not exactly a fan of nighttime confirming towns either DeusXmachina has been looking bad IVLosk, well looks like he is in same boat as me, I say give him a chance- which we will 2morrow (which comes in 5 hours xD) HolyFlare looks o.k. But only o.k. Finally, I would be suspect of justanothertownie. End night gutreads Has your stance on any of these changed? | ||
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On August 19 2013 22:42 Alakaslam wrote: I know sorry about being gone. I am here now gimme a bit to read. While you're here, give me a read on Omni please? | ||
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On August 19 2013 23:21 Alakaslam wrote: Well, I don't want to OMGUS but as he thinks I am second scummiest in the game I naturally think he is at least misguided, but if that's my fault for principle voteswitching I get it. Captain hindsight can work mightily in people. Wait, so your read is "he's either scum or not"? Care to explain what principle was that voteswitch based on? | ||
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On August 20 2013 00:58 Alakaslam wrote: Yeah. Principle was "I refuse to lynch town and we said we would lynch lurkers and also it feels like I am being svengali'd to vote iVLosK! somehow". In other words, I was practically going nuts, is it impossible to read the intense atmosphere at the time? And lol- good point, but yes my read is idunno, leaning town. I am saying if he thinks it's scum it's my fault anyway, so being wrong is not scummy like I wish it was. Then anyone who accused me would be scum and I'd win every town game :D I don't really see how it was that intense compared to many other lynches that have gone around in games you've been in. Could you point out what changed your opinion on iVLosK! so drastically from "I could lynch him" to "he's definitely town, so I'll rather random lynch a 0-poster"? You must have been quite sure that he's town to consider a 0-poster lynch a better option at 2/9 odds of hitting scum. | ||
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On August 20 2013 01:45 Alakaslam wrote: @above: I was NOT THINKING THAT CLEARLY lone. The way I saw it was WHOLLY UNreasonable; I saw it as not falling for a day1 mislynch again without giving a player with some exp a chance to shine versus someone lurking like mad. I have no thought to "how likely is Xzavier to be scum" because I was thinking "HolyFlare made a good point about lurking last-second posters, I bet Xzavier does last minute" etc etc- the switch was 100% nervous voter's remorse sheep. Unfortunately that works perfectly as an excuse a scum could make. It really doesn't help your case that you're being wishy washy about your reads (just check what you gave as a "read" on Omni above). So please tell us who's your top lynch candidate and make it at least somewhat convincing. | ||
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On August 20 2013 01:45 Alakaslam wrote: Oh yeah I would lynch either you or deus xD more likely Deus Why? Reasons required here. Also, who was "you" in this? | ||
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Holyflare, your read on Deus? iVLosK!, could you perhaps try to help us figure this game out and provide reads on Deus and Alakaslam? | ||
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On August 20 2013 06:52 justanothertownie wrote: Lone what is your opinion on Alakaslam? Can you read him at all? To be honest I'm not so sure I can read him right now. Trying to find a game where he was scum for style comparison. He largely gives me a scummy vibe, seeing how he's not producing any real reads and not being really helpful to figuring the game out, but that kinda fits the way he's played as town before so I'm somewhat torn. Leaning scum but uncertain is the best I can do right now on him. | ||
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An interesting point to think about: The only player to give a town read on Deus is iVLosK!. Going to go back and re-read some filters. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:14 Alakaslam wrote: Holy I town read (past tense) deus too. Past tense because now that I think too many people are town everyone got kicked to null again. So I will shower, prepare for work, read, and try to give reads. Wait, what the heck. Your read on Deus is changing so fast I can't even keep track of it. Why did your opinion on him change to town after you made your case on him? Didn't see any reasoning with your unvote. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:19 justanothertownie wrote: Read Lones filter and still think most of his posts are pretty townie although he should contribute more. There is only one thing I don't really get. What happened between these posts, Lone? My top scum read ended up being the only one who was resisting the lynch besides Deus himself, and Alakaslam started looking more town to me. Sadly Slam's latest uselessness made him look less town again so I feel this lynch is a bit unsafe, I'd far prefer lynching iVLosK! who still hasn't really contributed much to the scum hunt at all. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:54 Alakaslam wrote: I'm back for a bit Help me vlosk, what is up. Can check again in a sec. Digging a hole. ##Unvote Salome has goo data today, maybe I am the only one using atm Explain to me in very clear terms why you want so badly to sheep iVLosK!, because I don't see any way you as town could know for sure what his alignment is. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:30 justanothertownie wrote: I see. Makes sense somehow. Could you make a case on iVLosk then? I don't think I can do a full case in the time remaining before lynch, but mainly my points are his reluctance to hunt scum, the lack of reads (the only strong read he's given so far is his case against me, which is a very weak case in my eyes) and just generally being useless. Also avoiding taking a stance on the pressing issue of Slam vs Deus is incriminating. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:33 DeusXmachina wrote: If you cannot be sold then vote no-lynch. You will dig your own grave if you vote me. If you are town, you are in the unique undesirable position of being the one to lose the game. Unvote me. How would him voting no-lynch make any sense whatsoever in this situation? | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:38 justanothertownie wrote: You are right about his reserved play but if he is town then it is understandable if he thinks slam/deus are town don't you think? I don't really see how Deus/Slam being town would change the fact that I'd expect a town player in his situation to be probing and pushing others to figure out who's town and who's scum. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:45 DeusXmachina wrote: iV draws attention to himself because of his bold "I don't care what you guys think", I am going to be a dick, You will get reads from me when I want to give you reads style. He sticks out like a sore thumb. JAT tries to make it look like he cares. He plays substantially more reserved, and under the radar. Everything he does could be interpreted at an attempt to blend in. iVLosK!'s antagonistic style is not alignment indicative, he practically has to play that way as either alignment since he's shown he's like that as town, otherwise he'd just get instantly lynched. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:49 justanothertownie wrote: When did Lone vote iV?! I haven't and I probably won't, it's unsafe to start spreading town votes this close to lynch unless we have an agreed switch. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:51 DeusXmachina wrote: Like we talked about before meta is not a solid basis for analysis in newbie games. He doesn't have to play that way. Look at the consequences of his actions! Everyone is upset over the way he acts. He gets a lot of attention because of it. Scum wouldn't do that. They would draw attention to themselves in that way. How can you be so sure he's town? I could agree with "null" or "leaning town" based on that if you truly believe it but the way you defend him makes it look like you have a very strong town read on him, what's that based on? | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:56 DeusXmachina wrote: It's not the best case. I refuse to bus another townie for my own sake. Ok. ##Vote: Alakaslam | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Alakaslam | ||
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More comments later, gotta eat breakfast and get to work... | ||
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Some notes (all of this is up to when I got NK'd, didn't pay 110% attention after that): Omni played a pretty good D2, I wasn't really suspicious of him at all until seeing the post where he said Slam would also be okay lynch but he still preferred Deus, that seemed like possibly trying to distance from a potential lynch. JAT I suspected pretty badly during D1 for being so sheepy and avoiding giving reads, but his game picked up during D2 and I would definitely not have agreed to lynch him over Deus/Slam/iVLosK!. Deus was both town MVP (for getting Slam lynched) and at the same time very distracting with his crazy paranoia and conspiracy theories. Special award for being TEH TUNNELMASTER :D iVLosK! was just so very not pro-town with the non-participation and withholding reads. The overall feeling was that of someone not very interested in the game or scum (who aren't generally all that interested in hunting scum). Alakaslam was being very Alakaslam and to be honest, that really works good when you're scum. I was so extremely frustrated at not being able to read you at all. Would've been interesting to see how the game would have gone without the voting shenigans. Holyflare was the towniest town of them all to me, I don't think I had him marked as anything but null/town at any point during the game. Had I survived the night I'd have been pushing suspicion on Omni and iVLosK!, I was actually intending to make a "in case I die" post saying so but missed the deadline by about half an hour. Overall, very fun game even though a bit frustrating at times and quite stressful (just read my reaction to Slam flip). I especially enjoyed being for once able to look so town that I didn't need to really defend myself. | ||
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ing one) so like I say- rock and a hard place with "don't spam don't lurk" for me- so gimme a little grace and I will try to help out. For now, I have this:
