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On August 22 2013 07:22 DeusXmachina wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 18 2013 07:39 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 07:02 Koshi wrote:On August 18 2013 07:02 OmniEulogy wrote:
what's up guys. I'm almost completely caught up Yeah it took me 5 minutes as well. Hahahaha yeah, unfortunately what I'm really going over right now is the massive clusterfuck at the end of D1. I agree with you completely when you say that nobody should vote for a guy with literally 0 posts. Town should NEVER lynch the "easiest" target which it seems like they did... that's complete scum mentality. Town lynch the scummiest players not the easiest ones -.- ... I'm also really upset that three people didn't even vote which makes it even harder to sort it out. so far I think I'm pretty happy with my reads right now though I think Slam really sticks out to me as scummy for jumping around on his votes so much, even to the point of voting for Xzavier on two seperate occasions, however he has been one of the most consistant contributors in the game albeit very spammy. I'm getting a newbie town feeling from him and with the amount he's posting if he is scum it wont take long for him to slip. For that reason I'm ok with him currently. I've never played with Deus but people say he's an aggressive townie. I'm not seeing any of that from this game. He's been asking really bad fluff questions which would be easy for scum to imitate to pretend to be contributing, his vote on Xzavier and his reason behind it were terrible or rather his lack of a reason. Then after the lynch on Xzavier he goes after Holy for something he was fine before and even said he thought Holy was town for. I'd say out of all the players he's my top scum read right now. And then Holy votes for Xzavier as a "place holder" never to take his vote off him. Very scummy behavior considering he goes for the easy lynch, and a way to avoid needing to actually come up with a reason to vote for somebody. As far as town reads go I had a newbie town read on Reps and so in turn I believe Koshi is town. JAT is my strongest town read in the game at the moment slight town read on iVLosK! and the rest are all neutral as I still have to go through the filters again. I'd really like to know why Slam jumped his vote around so much asap and why the hell all three of you (Holy, Deus, Slam) thought it was a good idea to lynch Xzavier. This is a post that I would point to as alignment indicative. It is his first in this game. Of the three candidates that he will focus on he focuses on Holy and Myself. At the time slam was not one of the best contributors, so this seems like a fake reason to "be ok with him currently". Another thing that really bugs me about this post, is when he says JAT is my strongest town read. I don't think JAT should have been anyone's strongest town read at this point in the game, unless you are scum and you know he is town. JAT and Holy would you interpret this post in the same way? Anything else to point out? Is this alignment indicative?
Omni would you mind commenting on this? What were some of the contributions that caused you to overlook slam and focus on myself and holy?
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On August 22 2013 07:35 DeusXmachina wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 07:22 DeusXmachina wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 18 2013 07:39 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 07:02 Koshi wrote:On August 18 2013 07:02 OmniEulogy wrote:
what's up guys. I'm almost completely caught up Yeah it took me 5 minutes as well. Hahahaha yeah, unfortunately what I'm really going over right now is the massive clusterfuck at the end of D1. I agree with you completely when you say that nobody should vote for a guy with literally 0 posts. Town should NEVER lynch the "easiest" target which it seems like they did... that's complete scum mentality. Town lynch the scummiest players not the easiest ones -.- ... I'm also really upset that three people didn't even vote which makes it even harder to sort it out. so far I think I'm pretty happy with my reads right now though I think Slam really sticks out to me as scummy for jumping around on his votes so much, even to the point of voting for Xzavier on two seperate occasions, however he has been one of the most consistant contributors in the game albeit very spammy. I'm getting a newbie town feeling from him and with the amount he's posting if he is scum it wont take long for him to slip. For that reason I'm ok with him currently. I've never played with Deus but people say he's an aggressive townie. I'm not seeing any of that from this game. He's been asking really bad fluff questions which would be easy for scum to imitate to pretend to be contributing, his vote on Xzavier and his reason behind it were terrible or rather his lack of a reason. Then after the lynch on Xzavier he goes after Holy for something he was fine before and even said he thought Holy was town for. I'd say out of all the players he's my top scum read right now. And then Holy votes for Xzavier as a "place holder" never to take his vote off him. Very scummy behavior considering he goes for the easy lynch, and a way to avoid needing to actually come up with a reason to vote for somebody. As far as town reads go I had a newbie town read on Reps and so in turn I believe Koshi is town. JAT is my strongest town read in the game at the moment slight town read on iVLosK! and the rest are all neutral as I still have to go through the filters again. I'd really like to know why Slam jumped his vote around so much asap and why the hell all three of you (Holy, Deus, Slam) thought it was a good idea to lynch Xzavier. This is a post that I would point to as alignment indicative. It is his first in this game. Of the three candidates that he will focus on he focuses on Holy and Myself. At the time slam was not one of the best contributors, so this seems like a fake reason to "be ok with him currently". Another thing that really bugs me about this post, is when he says JAT is my strongest town read. I don't think JAT should have been anyone's strongest town read at this point in the game, unless you are scum and you know he is town. JAT and Holy would you interpret this post in the same way? Anything else to point out? Is this alignment indicative? Omni would you mind commenting on this? What were some of the contributions that caused you to overlook slam and focus on myself and holy?
being scum does that
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think of it this way, who would slam say in the qt would be the people to target? Me and you...
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Why are you doing this to me people?
I like Omnis point about slam trying to get people off Deus.
But I like Deus point about Omni being ok with slam when joining the thread, too.
Holy is the only one I am leaning town on but I don't like big parts of his reasoning against Omni.
iV is content just continuing not giving a fuck while not really being pressured by anyone (I would hate going into LYLO with him)...
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On August 22 2013 07:41 justanothertownie wrote:
Why are you doing this to me people?
I like Omnis point about slam trying to get people off Deus.
But I like Deus point about Omni being ok with slam when joining the thread, too.
Holy is the only one I am leaning town on but I don't like big parts of his reasoning against Omni.
iV is content just continuing not giving a fuck while not really being pressured by anyone (I would hate going into LYLO with him)...
because I was being lazy and only half believed myself when making a 'case' against him, that's why it looks weak, but now I'm actually convincing myself
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I was an observer during d1 so I might have been seeing things slightly differently than people actually playing the game / dealing with the emotions of trying to get through D1 and find scum with virtually nothing to go on but I felt like JAT was as I said before just... talking like a townie lol he seems inexperienced sure, we all are but he plays a LOT like most of the quiet townies I've played with who end up giving pretty good contributions and are there to bounce idea's off of and then come up with a case once or twice a day, which JAT had done pretty much as I would have expected of him if he was town. This is why he's kept his status as a townie for me.
posts like these I liked from him
On August 17 2013 01:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Not really. I didn't like some posts from Deus and the first one of Squibbles that much but this won't tell me anything. I'm just not a fan of this rather pointless policy discussions. People can talk alot about these things without adding any useful content.
I won't read to much into early contentless posts though. Bad experience last game.
On August 17 2013 21:19 justanothertownie wrote:
I will be here most of the time until the deadline btw. so if anyone wants to discuss something with me go ahead. I will read some filters right now because I think I caught something on the last pages (have to make sure).
He gave me the feeling of a townie who wanted to talk to people, try to open the game up and possibly scum hunt although he wasn't going to jump on anybody because of their first few posts. To me this is creating a town atmosphere which is something scum will never try to create.
So I came into the game expecting JAT to be town unless he started to do some really strange things, which he never did imo.
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On August 22 2013 07:39 Holyflare wrote:
think of it this way, who would slam say in the qt would be the people to target? Me and you...
It might have been the only option. He probably would not have said to target iV because he recently pulled his vote off of him. Also if you consider that fact the slam voted iV day 1, that means it's highly unlikely iV is scum. Why would a scum want to bus his teammate day 1.
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yeh but who would slam tell him to target first? my reads in the first day last game were all the scum team, he 'might' try and tell him to pressure me into looking scummy first
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On August 22 2013 07:42 OmniEulogy wrote:I was an observer during d1 so I might have been seeing things slightly differently than people actually playing the game / dealing with the emotions of trying to get through D1 and find scum with virtually nothing to go on but I felt like JAT was as I said before just... talking like a townie lol he seems inexperienced sure, we all are but he plays a LOT like most of the quiet townies I've played with who end up giving pretty good contributions and are there to bounce idea's off of and then come up with a case once or twice a day, which JAT had done pretty much as I would have expected of him if he was town. This is why he's kept his status as a townie for me. posts like these I liked from him Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 01:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Not really. I didn't like some posts from Deus and the first one of Squibbles that much but this won't tell me anything. I'm just not a fan of this rather pointless policy discussions. People can talk alot about these things without adding any useful content.
I won't read to much into early contentless posts though. Bad experience last game.
Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:19 justanothertownie wrote:
I will be here most of the time until the deadline btw. so if anyone wants to discuss something with me go ahead. I will read some filters right now because I think I caught something on the last pages (have to make sure). He gave me the feeling of a townie who wanted to talk to people, try to open the game up and possibly scum hunt although he wasn't going to jump on anybody because of their first few posts. To me this is creating a town atmosphere which is something scum will never try to create. So I came into the game expecting JAT to be town unless he started to do some really strange things, which he never did imo.
Your experience in the obs qt could have definately influenced your reads on JAT. However, you didn't back up your town reads when you said them. This would have benefited town. Also giving reads early on can be a great way to generate discussion. Case in point, Holy stance against iV.
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On August 22 2013 07:43 DeusXmachina wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 07:39 Holyflare wrote:
think of it this way, who would slam say in the qt would be the people to target? Me and you... It might have been the only option. He probably would not have said to target iV because he recently pulled his vote off of him. Also if you consider that fact the slam voted iV day 1, that means it's highly unlikely iV is scum. Why would a scum want to bus his teammate day 1.
That's not wrong but it's a bit more complicated than that. Slam just mentioned in his special way that iV would be the best lynch at some point in time. He could have changed this read anytime if it weren't for Lone and me who voted iV immediately after that.
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On August 22 2013 07:35 DeusXmachina wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 07:22 DeusXmachina wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 18 2013 07:39 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 07:02 Koshi wrote:On August 18 2013 07:02 OmniEulogy wrote:
what's up guys. I'm almost completely caught up Yeah it took me 5 minutes as well. Hahahaha yeah, unfortunately what I'm really going over right now is the massive clusterfuck at the end of D1. I agree with you completely when you say that nobody should vote for a guy with literally 0 posts. Town should NEVER lynch the "easiest" target which it seems like they did... that's complete scum mentality. Town lynch the scummiest players not the easiest ones -.- ... I'm also really upset that three people didn't even vote which makes it even harder to sort it out. so far I think I'm pretty happy with my reads right now though I think Slam really sticks out to me as scummy for jumping around on his votes so much, even to the point of voting for Xzavier on two seperate occasions, however he has been one of the most consistant contributors in the game albeit very spammy. I'm getting a newbie town feeling from him and with the amount he's posting if he is scum it wont take long for him to slip. For that reason I'm ok with him currently. I've never played with Deus but people say he's an aggressive townie. I'm not seeing any of that from this game. He's been asking really bad fluff questions which would be easy for scum to imitate to pretend to be contributing, his vote on Xzavier and his reason behind it were terrible or rather his lack of a reason. Then after the lynch on Xzavier he goes after Holy for something he was fine before and even said he thought Holy was town for. I'd say out of all the players he's my top scum read right now. And then Holy votes for Xzavier as a "place holder" never to take his vote off him. Very scummy behavior considering he goes for the easy lynch, and a way to avoid needing to actually come up with a reason to vote for somebody. As far as town reads go I had a newbie town read on Reps and so in turn I believe Koshi is town. JAT is my strongest town read in the game at the moment slight town read on iVLosK! and the rest are all neutral as I still have to go through the filters again. I'd really like to know why Slam jumped his vote around so much asap and why the hell all three of you (Holy, Deus, Slam) thought it was a good idea to lynch Xzavier. This is a post that I would point to as alignment indicative. It is his first in this game. Of the three candidates that he will focus on he focuses on Holy and Myself. At the time slam was not one of the best contributors, so this seems like a fake reason to "be ok with him currently". Another thing that really bugs me about this post, is when he says JAT is my strongest town read. I don't think JAT should have been anyone's strongest town read at this point in the game, unless you are scum and you know he is town. JAT and Holy would you interpret this post in the same way? Anything else to point out? Is this alignment indicative? Omni would you mind commenting on this? What were some of the contributions that caused you to overlook slam and focus on myself and holy?
Holy because his vote was unique out of the three of you and I wanted to start with the xZavier lynch and build off it to catch scum, Holy's vote was very noticeable because of how it was placed, and then he went on to claim he was looking for the "safe" place to put his vote. That's a word town doesn't use while placing votes, and can sometimes be a scum slip.
I then went after you because before I made Holy's case I had said you were my strongest scum read, with Holy answering me fairly well I let him drop although I was and still am suspicious of him and focused on you, JAT made his case, I followed up and then continued to push for your lynch through D2. Slam was a close 2nd but because he left for half of D2 I continued to pressure you as Slam wouldn't have been able to answer anything I asked him. (And he never did)
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On August 22 2013 07:45 Holyflare wrote:
yeh but who would slam tell him to target first? my reads in the first day last game were all the scum team, he 'might' try and tell him to pressure me into looking scummy first
It's possible. How come slam did not try and pressure you though?
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On August 22 2013 07:49 DeusXmachina wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 07:45 Holyflare wrote:
yeh but who would slam tell him to target first? my reads in the first day last game were all the scum team, he 'might' try and tell him to pressure me into looking scummy first It's possible. How come slam did not try and pressure you though?
disassociation obviously
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On August 22 2013 07:48 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 07:35 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 22 2013 07:22 DeusXmachina wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 18 2013 07:39 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 07:02 Koshi wrote:On August 18 2013 07:02 OmniEulogy wrote:
what's up guys. I'm almost completely caught up Yeah it took me 5 minutes as well. Hahahaha yeah, unfortunately what I'm really going over right now is the massive clusterfuck at the end of D1. I agree with you completely when you say that nobody should vote for a guy with literally 0 posts. Town should NEVER lynch the "easiest" target which it seems like they did... that's complete scum mentality. Town lynch the scummiest players not the easiest ones -.- ... I'm also really upset that three people didn't even vote which makes it even harder to sort it out. so far I think I'm pretty happy with my reads right now though I think Slam really sticks out to me as scummy for jumping around on his votes so much, even to the point of voting for Xzavier on two seperate occasions, however he has been one of the most consistant contributors in the game albeit very spammy. I'm getting a newbie town feeling from him and with the amount he's posting if he is scum it wont take long for him to slip. For that reason I'm ok with him currently. I've never played with Deus but people say he's an aggressive townie. I'm not seeing any of that from this game. He's been asking really bad fluff questions which would be easy for scum to imitate to pretend to be contributing, his vote on Xzavier and his reason behind it were terrible or rather his lack of a reason. Then after the lynch on Xzavier he goes after Holy for something he was fine before and even said he thought Holy was town for. I'd say out of all the players he's my top scum read right now. And then Holy votes for Xzavier as a "place holder" never to take his vote off him. Very scummy behavior considering he goes for the easy lynch, and a way to avoid needing to actually come up with a reason to vote for somebody. As far as town reads go I had a newbie town read on Reps and so in turn I believe Koshi is town. JAT is my strongest town read in the game at the moment slight town read on iVLosK! and the rest are all neutral as I still have to go through the filters again. I'd really like to know why Slam jumped his vote around so much asap and why the hell all three of you (Holy, Deus, Slam) thought it was a good idea to lynch Xzavier. This is a post that I would point to as alignment indicative. It is his first in this game. Of the three candidates that he will focus on he focuses on Holy and Myself. At the time slam was not one of the best contributors, so this seems like a fake reason to "be ok with him currently". Another thing that really bugs me about this post, is when he says JAT is my strongest town read. I don't think JAT should have been anyone's strongest town read at this point in the game, unless you are scum and you know he is town. JAT and Holy would you interpret this post in the same way? Anything else to point out? Is this alignment indicative? Omni would you mind commenting on this? What were some of the contributions that caused you to overlook slam and focus on myself and holy? Holy because his vote was unique out of the three of you and I wanted to start with the xZavier lynch and build off it to catch scum, Holy's vote was very noticeable because of how it was placed, and then he went on to claim he was looking for the "safe" place to put his vote. That's a word town doesn't use while placing votes, and can sometimes be a scum slip. I then went after you because before I made Holy's case I had said you were my strongest scum read, with Holy answering me fairly well I let him drop although I was and still am suspicious of him and focused on you, JAT made his case, I followed up and then continued to push for your lynch through D2. Slam was a close 2nd but because he left for half of D2 I continued to pressure you as Slam wouldn't have been able to answer anything I asked him. (And he never did)
So are you saying it was by a process of elimination. You thought that Holy and I were better targets so you focused on us. Then why did you say he was one of the most constant contributors (because he wasn't)?
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On August 22 2013 07:50 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 07:49 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 22 2013 07:45 Holyflare wrote:
yeh but who would slam tell him to target first? my reads in the first day last game were all the scum team, he 'might' try and tell him to pressure me into looking scummy first It's possible. How come slam did not try and pressure you though? disassociation obviously
Then why did he pressure me? lol
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yeah, I was just observing the game on my own as a replacement.
Also yeah yeah Holy fuck you too, when I flip green I'm sure you'll be overjoyed. 
The only thing you are doing is fucking town over if I get lynched because then you look just as bad as LosK and Deus heading into LYLO
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On August 22 2013 07:52 DeusXmachina wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 07:50 Holyflare wrote:On August 22 2013 07:49 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 22 2013 07:45 Holyflare wrote:
yeh but who would slam tell him to target first? my reads in the first day last game were all the scum team, he 'might' try and tell him to pressure me into looking scummy first It's possible. How come slam did not try and pressure you though? disassociation obviously Then why did he pressure me? lol
because the rest of the town did
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On August 22 2013 07:53 OmniEulogy wrote:yeah, I was just observing the game on my own as a replacement. Also yeah yeah Holy fuck you too, when I flip green I'm sure you'll be overjoyed. The only thing you are doing is fucking town over if I get lynched because then you look just as bad as LosK and Deus heading into LYLO
if anyone read the vote on slam they would know that not to be true
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On August 22 2013 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 07:43 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 22 2013 07:39 Holyflare wrote:
think of it this way, who would slam say in the qt would be the people to target? Me and you... It might have been the only option. He probably would not have said to target iV because he recently pulled his vote off of him. Also if you consider that fact the slam voted iV day 1, that means it's highly unlikely iV is scum. Why would a scum want to bus his teammate day 1. That's not wrong but it's a bit more complicated than that. Slam just mentioned in his special way that iV would be the best lynch at some point in time. He could have changed this read anytime if it weren't for Lone and me who voted iV immediately after that.
Well that would be extremely risky considering how easily the votes could have changed, and were changing at that point.
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