TL Mafia LXII: TL Noir

On September 17 2013 18:38 Koshi wrote:
If we all put some effort in I think we can make this a 500 page game.

On September 18 2013 00:07 iamperfection wrote:
oh by the way trying new style less posting etc etc

On September 19 2013 20:03 geript wrote:

We think the same of some of your food dear. Ours may make us like MC, but damn does it taste good.

On September 19 2013 20:23 ObviousOne wrote:

Yeah I did a 2 second google search for cherry cobbler on imgur so I could be lazy and not save/reupload myself. Can look it up yourself, some people make it real fancy but it's not generally served in a fancy dinner-style setting. I've mostly had it at large gatherings where it's produced "catering style" ala large batch thrown together as inexpensively as possible to maximize profit. Oh, and in grade school, ages and ages ago, same deal there (make enough for 400+, big school).

It goes really well with black tea, honest!!

On September 19 2013 21:00 Mocsta wrote:
This is starting soonish right?

MZ said THursday, not clear if day or night?

On September 20 2013 00:38 yamato77 wrote:
I question why I signed up for this after the atrocity that was LXI

On September 11 2013 23:46 marvellosity wrote:
Caller signup threads are always a timely reminder of the masochistic nature of mafia players

On September 20 2013 19:27 Mocsta wrote:
Would be nice to know if this is starting AM or PM . I assume with a party, its a morning start. But that means between now and the next say 4-5 hrs?

On September 22 2013 00:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Wave:
His posts about the Geript/DP argument (about them overdoing it) do make sense to me but they are not alignment indicative. Scum could easily point that out too. Null.

What I don't really understand is this:

What is the intention behind this? I must admit that I don't know DPs meta but it is not very townie to call someone out for trying hard as a townie.

On September 21 2013 22:29 LoneMeow wrote:


It feels like you were just looking for someone to jump on. That doesn't feel very town way to play D1. Not enough to say I'd have a scum read on you, but I'll be watching your actions.

On September 22 2013 03:03 DarthPunk wrote:


It's actually not. And it's actually important. If he is a Vig he is likely going to shoot me stupidly. If he isn't he is scum. It hasn't ALL been a shit fest and there are some key points that VE made.

Obviously I know you well enough to know that you will do what you want regardless. But i kinda expected you to have some input on this.

On September 22 2013 03:14 yamato77 wrote:

So, what about anyone else I mentioned in my post?

VE/Sentinel/Mocsta

On September 22 2013 04:17 Coagulation wrote:
Anyone buying marvs tryhard "taking notes" bullshit? I consider myself a bit of a marv aficionado and hes giving me bad vibes here for sure.

On September 22 2013 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well he seemed WAY more involved in the discussion in that game than he is in this game. That's....really odd. Marvy baby what do you make of that?

On September 22 2013 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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The only thing i found odd in FT's post was that he was trying to appear like he was contributing. Then said he has not yet caught up in thread and never followed it up in any way. It's now been 1,5 hours since his post. He should have caught up already.

On September 22 2013 07:59 VisceraEyes wrote:

He invites it by being unrepentant about it regardless of alignment. Haters gon' hate.

On September 22 2013 08:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


I have no knowledge of Coag's meta.

On September 22 2013 08:12 Koshi wrote:

And thats why you pile votes on VA. VA too proud he doesnt get misslynched as town to not break character. If he stays in character he is scum. But you peepz dont get it... so w.e.

On September 22 2013 18:42 FirmTofu wrote:
As much as I dislike DP's play this game, DP's response to me is making me warm up to him. It is reminiscent of classic town play.

Townies know they are town. Therefore, when people call them scum, they instinctively believe the accuser is "bad" or scum. After all, they are town and they know that the accuser is wrong. This knowledge makes them act in anger and frustration when defending themselves.

Classic thought process: "How could this asshole accuse me? I'm town! I've been playing super pro-town all game and this guy is saying I'm scum? He must be a terrible player or scum."

While DP's anger toward me could be manufactured, it feels rather genuine.

On September 22 2013 19:58 DarthPunk wrote:


He said he did it on purpose as a way to read me. Like he was intentionally inconsistent so that he could see if I would pick up on it or not.

This was all discussed on the previous page. I don't buy it. Clearly. As I am voting for him.

On September 22 2013 22:39 Mocsta wrote:
yam needs to join the newbie league

learn to play.
i already addressed your pittance of a "case" against me.

P.S. the chairman vote is terrible.

On September 22 2013 23:20 Mattchew wrote:

no, and i never will

On September 23 2013 00:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Marv, take a gander at Zaragon's filter and tell me what you experience on the journey.

On September 23 2013 00:52 Koshi wrote:

Rayn his case on me is ok. I am not very transparant atm. It must unsettle rayn a bit. VA vote was to shake VA out of rp, I just read his new log. Funny.
Seems like rayn thinks I am scum not based on low activity. Meh. Will be home in 2 hours, hopefully I find a better lynch. Dont know who yet.

On September 23 2013 00:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


I ask because last night, he posted something, and I said 'oh, it's this guys first post' in my head. Then I realized he had been posting the entire game. It feels like blending in the entire game because I haven't even noticed the guy.

On September 23 2013 00:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Well, that throws out a ton of potential candidates, and I mostly agree.

That means we're lynching LoneMeow, correct? I think Koshi is slightly-scummy considering his meta but I'd like to lynch a rather inactive scummy dude today.

##Vote: Lonemeow

On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game?

On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:

Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game.

On September 23 2013 02:33 Pandain wrote:
As an aside, I disagree with Marv and believe we should not vig at random

On September 23 2013 03:26 Chairman Ray wrote:


Why are you voting me? Whatever reasons you believe aren't so obvious to me. Not saying that your reasons are wrong, but if you don't have a lot of confidence that I'm town, we definitely should be discussing this.

On September 23 2013 07:00 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'm glad you think so but I've posted 4-5 things in this game that have gone completely ignored because they weren't 'current topics.'

yamato I'm kind of surprised at Rayn/Mocsta being your top two. Do you think you can get either of them lynched today?

On September 23 2013 07:16 Stutters695 wrote:

Sup yo

On September 21 2013 13:16 DarthPunk wrote:


Wasn't he town in Persona 4? Can't really tell the difference. But if you are really confident in your read of koshi I will back you later.

On September 23 2013 07:26 WaveofShadow wrote:

Was he reminded of this since?

On September 23 2013 07:30 WaveofShadow wrote:

Sometimes. I've forgotten shit like that before.
Koshi says that apparently DP looked into him and didn't want to vote him though so apparently he didn't necessarily forget?

On September 23 2013 07:34 yamato77 wrote:

No, but I see you think it's noteworthy. Which game is it?

On September 23 2013 07:35 WaveofShadow wrote:

I remember that post, and I actually thought it was a good reason. What struck you as weird about it?

On September 23 2013 07:44 Koshi wrote:

Don't lynch Koshi. He is town.

On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.

Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.

##Vote: Umasi

Here for a while if you want to ask me something.

On June 11 2013 05:11 LoneMeow wrote:



Still can't really tell which, though if I had to choose I'd pick Umasi. Both being scum is also possible but I don't consider that super likely right now.

##Vote: Umasi

On September 23 2013 08:05 WaveofShadow wrote:

He's probably talking about their newbie game interaction, marv.
Come on, it's not rocket science.

On September 23 2013 08:17 WaveofShadow wrote:

Do you mean it is literally the only time LM EVER mentioned Umasi? I assumed you meant in this game.
Don't condescend to me marv. It's unbecoming.

On September 23 2013 08:20 WaveofShadow wrote:

I do , and he should probably explain that---it may have something to do with the fact that Umasi (I THINK it was Umasi) had at that point only played scum in all of his newbie games or something, and that was ingrained into his reads of Umasi somehow?

On September 23 2013 08:20 geript wrote:

FWIW I either coached or hosted or something one of those games as I remember and IIRC there was a big thing afterwards about Lone always and forever from then on thinking Umasi is scum. I could be wrong though and be attributing that somewhere else though.

On September 23 2013 08:26 yamato77 wrote:
Marv, how do you feel about hanging an asshole aussie?

On September 23 2013 08:27 Koshi wrote:


I actually have no problem with the reason why CR voted LM. But that last sentence is really strange. Remove that last sentence and I actually like it, but that last sentence is just strange. Don't know why that was added.

On September 23 2013 08:28 ObviousOne wrote:

Convenient given that Mocsta is dead last on the list.

HRMMMMMMMMMMM!

On September 23 2013 08:29 geript wrote:

Yes it is. Moc uses specific sets of heuristics as town and completely different sets of heuristics as scum always and forever. Moc is fine.

On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote:

I would like to clarify my intentions here.

The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion.

Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies.

---

I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit.

On September 23 2013 09:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Define "seems out of place" marv. I explained what I didn't like about Yam's post, if you disagree with me just say so.

On September 22 2013 10:24 Chairman Ray wrote:


Everything from how people vote, when people vote, and vote switches are able to give strong reads. Like for example, near the end if the votes are leading 6 on person A and 5 on person B, and my vote is currently on person A, and my vote is currently on A. If I switch my vote from A to B, and then in response someone switches their vote from B to A, and then A flips town, that really sets off a red flag for that guy. It also gives a really good target for whoever is cop, because it has the potential to reveal two scum. There are probably a lot of ways we can force scum to make bigger pushes to save each other with some creativity.

I only have one vote, but on the first day, I will use that vote to scumhunt and get as much information as possible instead of keeping my vote on the scummiest player early on and leaving it there.

On September 22 2013 16:24 Chairman Ray wrote:


I have played past games with only a few of the players here. Here are my reads on then so far:

Coagulation - He was town last time I played with him. Injected a lot of one liners to get discussion going, but never really participated in the discussions themselves. He's playing pretty similarly this game.

Umasi - He was mafia last time I played with him. He was very active and capitalized the discussion from the start. Took a good degree of control over the town. He's a lot more mellow this game around.

I filtered through posts, and the person who looks the scummiest to me right now is stutters. He's made only a few posts so far. Every post he's made is a poke at kush, but his very last post was questioning me on how I would try to play out the last hour to make things harder for scum. It seems that out of all these pages of posts, and all these players, he's only interested in getting people onto kush and learning my scum catching plan. That seems like a scum agenda to me. If it was you who asked me that question, I wouldn't mind it since you've been asking everyone questions about a lot of things. However stutters very selectively asking me that question instead of the countless other things that have been going on in this thread really screams scum to me.

On September 23 2013 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote:

Agreed.
About FT:
It's like FT said. He tries to make up analyses of DP and Geript which are seemingly based on absolutely nothing.

Like, how the fuck does he know this? If he read DP's previous games like he said he'd realize it's not even true. DP constantly goes nuts when people accuse him; he even pointed it out himself this game.
He makes an interesting point where he says that this game nobody is scared of DP---I wonder if that is true. Normally DP looks really good really early but this time he has a lot of contentious thoughts regarding his alignment and hasn't done a great deal to relieve himself of them aside from aggressively attempting to take down his attackers or stating to the thread that he will be ignoring them.

Now he gets insulting for no reason---where does this attitude come from and why? I've never seen FT act like this:




^^That one I kinda liked lol, 'cause he's right.


This appears to me like a flat-out lie. Could be either alignment caught in a lie though---I have lied as town to dispel suspicions because it's often easier than trying to explain that you were just being dumb, especially to someone tenacious like Axlegreaser, for example.

Then we have his exit:


This looks like he just gave up. Again, the issue is it's possible as scum OR town. Arguing with people becomes exhausting as town, especially if we believe that FT is telling the truth about his own beliefs. Obvious reasons for ditching here as scum, if he is.

I think I'm still overall null with a slight scum-lean on him just because much of what he has done is possible from either alignment. I don't think his attack on DP is as suicidal as Geript's though (which is why I have my townread on geript) because it is my belief that whereas Geript knows exactly what he is doing and why, FT doesn't when attacking DP, so the scum possibility is there.

Thoughts, Marv?

On September 23 2013 09:41 geript wrote:

Mandatory "Sick delurk bro"

@Marv I disagree. Palmar knows that VE gets lazy as scum generally and I've hated all of VE's pushes as complete bullshit. Plus, he loves to 'setup' people for the flip as scum. He tried it on me in PYP; he did it in GMarshal's game (the podcast on) on I forget who; he did it here. Plus, the whole DP/VE thing early on seemed weird to me.

On September 23 2013 09:43 geript wrote:

I disagree with this point. Town generally forgets their plan or moves on in my experience. It's scum who's concerned with consistency and stuff as such.

On September 23 2013 09:50 yamato77 wrote:

I don't necessarily dislike any of them.

On September 23 2013 09:51 WaveofShadow wrote:

My issue is I don't think I like any of the other candidates enough today to vote for them.
If I'm 55/45 on FT that's better than the...nothing I get from Mocsta or townreads I get from Ray and LM.

On September 23 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:

I don't like this marv.
I'm not confident enough to try and push FT as THE lynch (and as such eliminate Ray from your list) today. It just appears to me as the best of the current options I'm aware of. For all I know you could be ready to sheep anything I say and blame me later and I don't know if I'm ok with that yet. Your 'slowgame' in conjunction with this request worries me.

On September 23 2013 10:02 WaveofShadow wrote:

Heh it's kinda funny...usually our little conversations go the way they do because I'm leading things and am scum/3P but now I'm on the other side and I'm scurrrred.

I want to look into VE first; I'll get back to Ray if I have time since I'm pretty sure I won't be voting him (Ray) today.

On September 23 2013 07:51 Chairman Ray wrote:
Unvoting LM as he's probably sleeping now

##Unvote

I'll brb in an hour or so

On September 22 2013 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote:

This is my third game of forum mafia. I have played real time mafia as well. Even though I'm a lot less experienced than most people here, I'll pull my weight just fine and I don't expect any newbie lenience.

On September 23 2013 07:47 Chairman Ray wrote:

I still disagree with your analysis on my first post. You may have an extensive experience, but that doesn't mean you are correct. In this case, you definitely do have a misread on me, but I hope that we can resolve that now instead of post game. At the same time, I made a lot of rookie mistakes that caused you to have such a strong scumread on me. I would like to win this game so if there's any way that I could make myself easier to read for you and everyone else here, feel free to say it. If I could improve now, that may mean the difference between a win and a loss. Otherwise I'll probably be seeking your help postgame.

On September 23 2013 07:25 Chairman Ray wrote:


Since we still have a few hours left, I would like to discuss the reads you have one me right now so I don't get voted on impulse very last second.

I don't buy your reasoning on why I should be the one lynched. I think that anyone can make any sort of opening post, whether they are scum or town. So what if there's one mafia in one of your previous games that made a terrible first post? In your history of mafia, has there never been a town that made a terrible first post? Also, what is your opinion on my reads so far? I appreciate that you commented on my LM read, and hopefully I managed to answer your question. I hope that maybe we could discuss things a bit more rather than you just shrugging off my reads as poor attempts of scumhunting.

Right now I think there are far better people to lynch, like koshi. I just f5ed the thread, and he still hasn't made any mention on why he's voting me. I respect you for voting me, and following up with a lot of good analysis and valid questions, but all koshi did was vote me in the voting thread, and never even mentioned it here. What's that's supposed to accomplish? It doesn't put any more pressure on me, it doesn't give any information, or anything. He's probably hoping that it would go unnoticed. I'm starting to think that he's scum and he's joining the bandwagon on me.

On September 22 2013 16:24 Chairman Ray wrote:

I filtered through posts, and the person who looks the scummiest to me right now is stutters. He's made only a few posts so far. Every post he's made is a poke at kush, but his very last post was questioning me on how I would try to play out the last hour to make things harder for scum. It seems that out of all these pages of posts, and all these players, he's only interested in getting people onto kush and learning my scum catching plan. That seems like a scum agenda to me. If it was you who asked me that question, I wouldn't mind it since you've been asking everyone questions about a lot of things. However stutters very selectively asking me that question instead of the countless other things that have been going on in this thread really screams scum to me.

On September 23 2013 10:34 WaveofShadow wrote:

This actually phrases it really well. I want to talk to Ray but until then marv, put it this way: are you expecting Ray to play a certain way?

On September 23 2013 10:42 Stutters695 wrote:
Well I need to get to bed since I have to get up at 7.

Voting LM since you guys don't think Kush is a good idea

On September 23 2013 11:48 Chairman Ray wrote:
Well, here's my goodbye post.

I suck so bad at mafia. This is kinda discouraging . Looks like I'm gonna be needing quite a bit of coaching post game. My plan was basically to seem a bit nooby/scummy at the start and avoid giving too much reads, but I played it terribly and became actually nooby and scummy near the end, and didn't have any reads prepped when I needed them. Was planning on revealing my blue as a last resort, but time kicked in and I didn't get a chance to count the votes. Sorry guys! I'm a terrible blue player .

On September 23 2013 18:18 Koshi wrote:
Yeah, shoot rayn.

OO
Risen
Coag
rayn
Firmtofu

Those are good vigi targets.

On September 23 2013 18:25 DarthPunk wrote:


Marv, why so angry at risen and not at all the other useless lurkers?

On September 23 2013 18:35 DarthPunk wrote:


Liek there are at least 5 players who haven't posted a full page of filter.

Pandain, Onegu, Cephiro, Lone Meow, Vayne Authority I guess some have been replaced. I just want to know why you are mad at risen so bitterly and not at useless lurkers in general.

On September 23 2013 13:19 Risen wrote:
Rofl

On September 23 2013 14:49 FirmTofu wrote:

Not yet, I read slowly, forgive me. I am at page 50, though.

On September 23 2013 02:34 Stutters695 wrote:
Part 2: Chairman Meow

First, so it's absolutely clear Kush needs to die. He's my number one choice. But if you guys don't dig it today, these are my other choices:


LoneMeow: The Mocsta/Pandain post is bad. He never explains the Mocsta bit. Considering he later says he never t called Pandain scum, it's a little ridiculous to never follow up on it.

Additionally by not ever thinking that Pandain was scum he essentially has done no work except a "pressure"(in a very loose sense ) vote. Feels too safe and like he has no interest in the lynch, just appearing helpful enough for it not to be him.


I also think there is a good chance Chairman is scum, but I'm sick so I want to lay down. I'll type him up later.

On September 23 2013 19:22 Mocsta wrote:

Yeah, like thers suspect ppl in that list for sure.

BUT .. 5 to 6 ppl replaced in.. Are you suggesting it is likely they are all town?

On September 23 2013 19:28 Koshi wrote:

The group that is most likely scum? wtf.

On September 23 2013 19:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't make connection cases pre-flip,

On September 23 2013 19:49 FirmTofu wrote:

Of course he could be mafia. Anyone can be mafia. What I'm saying is that out of the 29 people still alive, he's the most likely to be mafia. If you have a disagreement with that statement, you can bring it up.

On that note, who is your strongest scumread right now, marv?

On September 23 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You are talking about Desert i assume?
That was to convince the townto lynch you over a confirmed scum because you are far more valuable to the scumteam. I don't do it on D1, when there are no flips.

On September 23 2013 19:56 FirmTofu wrote:

I was definitely generalizing to what I believe to be proper townplay vs proper scumplay. As this is a game of probability, I'm working with probabilities.

"Town is more likely to believe their actions even to the point of fault."
"Only scum uses fallback options to justify their actions."

These are statements dependent on implied probabilities. Granted, I may not have used the best choice of words(see: Only), but I believe that both of these statements are true in the majority of cases. They may not be true for you, but that is not a damning argument in and of itself.

While you may not fit the mold, I believe most players do. You are only one statistic and cannot single-handedly refute my argument with only the evidence of your own play to back you up.

On September 23 2013 20:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Marv, please. We talked about it after the game (or when i died). It was to get shot and to keep you alive as you were a more valuable asset in that game and certainly not a veteran. It's the exact same thing i did with iamp in Bluelightz game. Obviously didn't work because Vivax couldn't get out of tunneling you after that and since then i have stopped it (because it didn't work out in Bluelightz game aswell -- as iamp claimed mason). I also did the same thing in Ego, where i posted a huge (half incorrect) case on Palmar on last night because i wanted him alive on the last day as i was copping him.

On September 23 2013 20:08 DarthPunk wrote:


Really? you are just going to sit back and let geript vig me? I would expect you to point out how dumb that would be. But you don't care?

On September 23 2013 20:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay marv, you are right, that's not what i said. That's however what my thought process was. I guess i didn't write that because you were still in game and you are not supposed to know what dead players think (besides what's in thread). Also that was on N1, not D1.

Anyways, does that mean anything?

On September 23 2013 20:11 DarthPunk wrote:


What is dull about it? I believe he is a Vig. I believe I am getting shot incredibly stupidly, I obviously can't do anything to get geript out of his moronic tunnel, So I need other people to do it for me.

I am legitimately concerned about getting shot. And I don't know why you wouldn't be concerned about me getting shot.

On September 23 2013 20:20 DarthPunk wrote:


You scum marv?

On September 23 2013 20:26 DarthPunk wrote:


Yeah. I think marv could be scum. I'll post a thorough case on him by deadline. It is hard to get marv lynched so it will be a lot of work.

On September 23 2013 20:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv could you explain the lack of commenting on my Koshi case on D1, especially when he voted for FT (before that he said FT is not a scumread of his)?

On September 23 2013 21:13 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn what do you think of marv? How engaged do you feel that he has been? Have you read hapa's case from GSLIII?

On September 23 2013 21:24 DarthPunk wrote:


Yeah, i'm not talking about you being unemotional. Clearly you are emotional (Risen) this game. I am talking about how engaged you seem to be in the game and in scum hunting in general. Anyway. You don;t have to defend youerself until I read you properly. I may not think you are scum after that anyway.

On September 23 2013 21:29 yamato77 wrote:
I haven't fully caught up yet, but we're lynching between geript/Sentinel tomorrow and that's final. IIRC, they both argued AGAINST a Ray lynch and then ended up with their votes on him at the end of the day. Confirmed mafia, for all I care, regardless of FT's alignment.

VE is a tertiary candidate, especially if he doesn't get his shit together. Martyring is not a town tell for VE, neither is sulking when called scum. When VE is caught (such as he was in endgame of Nomination), he sulks as scum and tries to play it off like he understands why people think he's scummy. It's a visage.

On September 23 2013 21:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is Sentinel supposed to be good? I don't remember playing with him unless it was the games i was scum and had no time to play.

On September 23 2013 21:49 DarthPunk wrote:
God I am sick of yamato. He is constantly a dick to me over the course of several games and voice mafia. Seriously I am just about done playing at this point.

On September 23 2013 22:21 Koshi wrote:

Actually you should really wait till the flips. Maybe geript and yamato are playing you because they are scum. Stop playing when they both flip town. It's a legit scumtactic tbh.

On September 23 2013 22:30 geript wrote:

I already did. It seemed really weird that Ray knew who the counter option was and changed my mind. Plus, I recognize that I'm biased against tofu.

On September 23 2013 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why exactly?

On September 23 2013 23:54 geript wrote:

Yes I have or at least as best as I am able. If you don't like it daddy then you should have better kids.

On September 24 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:

How can you possibly think mocsta is scum?? He talks way too much to be scum

On September 24 2013 00:21 Mocsta wrote:

Yeah.. dunno.. thats a very simplied thing to say.

In reality, you were on a scum team filled with 2 lurkers and yourself.

FACT: Thats demotivating.

---

I understand that the champions game would have a much bigger pull to produce effort, but the quality of your play there I think is quite clearly >>> the play in this game.

I dont have a hard lean on you; so the above is just my musings.

On September 24 2013 00:39 Mocsta wrote:
I was enjoying giving the thread the aussie DP !

On September 24 2013 00:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew is probably scum. His generic +1 of my yamato suspicion is really strange.

On September 24 2013 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta and marv, while you are waiting for geript, what do you make out of this Zaragon dude?
His thought process is really weird. He calls out people who voted for CR already assuming FT is scum while he had a townread on FT on D1. It's really weird also because he himself dropped his vote on somewhere where it did have a zero effect to the lynch at all. I mean, looks to me like "at least i don't look bad, now these people look bad when FT flips scum". A lot of assumptions while not taking any responsibility from the lynch himself at all.

On September 24 2013 02:13 WaveofShadow wrote:

K.
I had to halt my readthrough to post about this.

Fuck all of you because I brought this up at the beginning of the fucking game. I may also be a little butthurt because I'm not on Koshi's dumb-as-shit doclist.

Marv is town.

Continuing readthrough.

On September 24 2013 02:29 WaveofShadow wrote:

Some stuff you said.

On September 24 2013 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:

Then kill me bbygrl. I wouldn't mind being spared of reading this mess

On September 24 2013 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote:

If we're being completely, brutally honest here, I'm in a slump in general with regard to Mafia. My confidence in myself and my reads is shot and I'm not the town-leading role-claiming madman I once was.

But yeah, I'd say that regardless of alignment in this spot, so I'm not sure what you're asking me that question for.

On September 24 2013 05:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well rayn had questions and we had a dialogue about one of the names I included, yet you have asked no questions and mentioned no names you dislike Marv. Yet problems you have apparently. Let's hear them.