TL Mafia LXII: TL Noir - Page 178

On September 26 2013 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
I am also going to vote for LoneMeow. For the town.

On September 26 2013 05:42 justanothertownie wrote:

Well, I guess you must be happy about this then:

##vote Cephiro

I can't believe you come into the thread after such a long time and the best you have got is this. You didn't see a single thing in this thread being scummier than me not taking hard stances? Really?

On September 26 2013 05:48 Cephiro wrote:

Yay, an OMGUS vote. Look how much I care. I have still stuff coming up, but that doesn't mean the case on you is worth any less. There are many scummy things in thread, and you're ranking very highly on the list of scummy things.

You're not even denying any of the accusations made against you. You're just like "Yes, that is indeed the case. You must be scum for pointing that out." ... Really?

On September 24 2013 11:44 Cephiro wrote:
Well, it seems like the night didn't go that badly. Appareantly there's a vig shot that hit town, but on the happier side of life it seems like we had a successful doctor protection tonight. And no blues were hit. That said, we really need to lynch scum today. And since I'm still alive, I'm going to do my best to ensure that happens. Not too far from having read the whole thread properly either.





I hope you're joking....

On September 26 2013 05:25 Cephiro wrote:
Well there have definitely been some interesting reactions among certain individuals. However, here is my opinion on who should be lynched today:

kushm4sta: There is just no way this guy is town. For someone posting as much as he is, the amount of content is way too small. He's basically just posting "Hey guys, I really don't care." And yet some people somehow consider him town? He has one post that I actually find above the decent line. Barely. He keeps calling several people town, many for no reasons whatsoever. He mentions very few people he is suspicious of, and at most says "lynch pls", follows up with a vote a few hours later that has no effect on the game due to his non-committal. Even when Coag was calling his vig shot, he was basically saying "yea go for it sure", when he earlier would have been ready to lynch Coag.

justanothertownie: Comments on pretty much everything possible, and ends up with the conclusion "null/not alignment-indicative" almost every single time. Asks several unrelevant questions, where he offers his "maybe he would do it for reason x, or maybe he wouldn't for reason y theories", again taking no stance. Later on his posts start sounding better on the general level, but they still aren't working towards a goal. His reasons for suspecting someone are posted by others (Marv's post on Mocsta, which follows up shortly with this.), and he can't find anything suspicious about a player with as much content as Mocsta on his own? He isn't taking a firm stance here, but the thing is that he doesn't even want to. He's fine with sheeping along in the thread and looking like he has opinions about stuff.

He also brings this up a lot:

Reminding people that you're openly ready to answer questions is not bad. The thing is, it's the only way he wants to contribute. There is easily lots of content available by the point in the game he says this, and many possible players to look at. But he doesn't want to take firm opinions on anything. It's like he's trying to avoid angering anyone in the game to avoid being targeted.



Another fine recent quote that is as fluffy as is humanly possible. This way of posting gives him the possibility of choosing whichever option is more convinient later on. This slowly ascends from having him red in his spreadsheet since his townreads are voting for him into a vote. Anyone reading his filter can see the ambigious nature of the posts, and it has given him too much of a free pass so far. Someone who wants to buddy, be afraid of taking an own stance to things, and wanting to buddy everyone just simply cannot be town.

That's for the two easy ones. The more complicated cases are coming a bit later, I am still working on them. Should be able to put them out with enough time for people to read them before the deadline.

On September 26 2013 05:50 Koshi wrote:

Is he scum for saying you are scum?

On September 26 2013 05:55 justanothertownie wrote:

Partly. He is scum for doing nothing and choosing me as his target when there are much scummier possibilities.

On September 26 2013 05:58 Koshi wrote:

But you aren't getting lynched and he is.

On September 26 2013 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:

So what?

On September 26 2013 05:44 Pandain wrote:
Quick reasons why VE is scum before I go to class:
1. Has been lurking day two but still clearly reading.
2. Tried to cast doubt on Yamato as confirmed town, why even do that.
3. Just accused JAT for "why you pick FT" and being incredulous at it. Despite this, VE has said that he thinks FT best option and he only switched because no one would talk to him. Why is he so surprised at JAT.
4. Hasn't really been pushing lynches, merely commenting, agreeing, or disagreeing
5. Yam and WoS both thought and said VE was scum before they got shot.
6.

g2g be back later plz vote VE I will help with the crusade
Bad random vote, doesn't comment on key issues going on which corresponds to my noting his inconspicious absense.

On September 26 2013 06:01 Koshi wrote:

Why is he picking you when there are "scummier possibilities" that might get lynched. Wouldn't that be better as scum?

On September 26 2013 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote:


1) Not alignment indicative. I would read the thread regardless of my alignment, and I'm wont to lurk these days regardless of alignment. I'm here when I can be, and I comment on pertinent issues when I can. This does not make me scum.

2) It has nothing to do with "casting doubt". It has to do with getting burned as fuck by people (myself included) confirming someone as town when they (we) absolutely should NOT have. I may believe that Yamato is town (and I do, presently) but that doesn't mean that he's "confirmed town". As I said before: the only confirmed town are the dead.

3) I don't even know what you're referring to here. Maybe a quote or something could help.

4) Again, this isn't alignment indicative in the least. Once upon a time in my mafia career, yes. Nowadays, not so much. However I have been, as you say, commenting, agreeing or disagreeing with things. I don't understand why you say this is a point against me, if anything it shows that I'm trying to figure out the game WITH others. But whatever. This is a null tell.

5) WIFOM. Also as scum I don't shoot people who are suspicious of me. I shoot people who are NOT suspicious of me. Ask anyone. WIFOM defense of a WIFOM point. Suck it bro.

6) Maybe you could explain how this "random vote" is bad. You may not like my reasons, but it's not a BAD vote - guy hasn't done anything and I think he's a fine vote for today.

In short, this case is bad and you should feel bad Pandain. For shame.

On September 26 2013 06:02 justanothertownie wrote:

There aren't that many people on to him right now. Besides there is time until the lynch.

On September 26 2013 02:45 Pandain wrote:


This is a great misinterpetation of my post I was going over Sentinel more day 2 because Yamato was still wanting to lynch me. I shared my thoughts on the matter. He played extremely suspiciously day one but day two is extremely town-like and town-mindset.

If you think my goal was to say he's scum, you're wrong. My conclusion was based on his play in day two, he is town. I assume his day one was simply atrocious. He also somewhat adequeately explained his Ray vote, which is one of the main reasons I was suspicious he's scum. I have found only one reason to be suspicious of his play after the first day, which I explained in my post.

People say I have not been pushing anybody. This is clearly wrong. I pushed Sentinel day one, you guys simply didn't listen and I had to work on studies. All my posts have a purpose, in either seeing how someone reacts or seeing if they are actually having reasons for what they do. Or sometimes just help thread. AKA Gertrip vote.

My marv vote was along the same lines, but worse. I was hoping to generate discussion on him and see how people felt, my sleep deprived brain was suspicious of him yesterday but I think there are better options.

I have pushed Stutters and said I would lynch him. My only caveat was that I would feel bad.

I have pushed OO in the beggining because he was playing suspicious for reasons I stated, mainly seeming constructed in his posts and contradicting himself by voting Coag when he says he wants to lynch an inactive. From there, I found out more of his reasoning and now understand he doesn't understand how Coag plays. t

I attempted to get Vayne saved who was clearly town.
I have pushed Cheesecake, and still wonder why others don't analyze him. He lurked almost the entirety of day two
Why have you been absent? He hasn't done shit and is actually guilty of the reasons Marv is accusing me. All he has done is talk about me and eventually vote me for reasons which are weak as I've already stated. Marv, I want your reads on Cheesecake now and why you feel I am more suspicious than him since I assume you have ready every filter.

If you think I'm lurking, you're wrong. I use my time the best I can. I will soon talk about someone I am suspicious of the most, only reason I don't say his name is because I don't want him to start fake contributing now as a response to initial suspicions.

There is no reason I am scum, I am in fact surprised by the accusations, and further surprised by the weak reasoning.

For my firm post, I was saying that the way he posts it will be easier to decide if he's scum later. I'm not saying that he is scum now but we should go after someone else. I think he is too much a combination of town/mafia for me to decide on him, and want to wait until later. That is not scum. That is town.

On September 26 2013 06:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think rayn is town...not voting rayn.

On September 26 2013 02:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Panda is probably a bad lynch.

Now that I think about it, if he pushed Sentinel D1 they (probably) aren't both mafia. If panda is mafia and sent town, he could have just pushed a sent lynch through because he was a target of high suspicion coming into D2.

It seems like everyone in the thread has a scumread of some sort on LM, but nobody wants to lynch him T.T