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On September 25 2013 15:32 Risen wrote:
Really hope Matt is scum or I'm going to be in a tight spot. In other news, lynch FT. I could see a marv lynch, too. Or Cephiro who is still absent. Mocsta with the ole' "lol your post is too long and I'm scum so that's too much effort to respond to/opens me up too much to appearing scummy so I'm not changing my mind" post.
?? I read his whole post before responding.
In the followup discussion with Mattchew, it was apparent that he did not address the crux of the case; as he had to provide more information.
Anyways, did you like Mattchew response?
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And yes Mocsta before you ask, I'm clearly pulling the pro-scum Mocsta scum tell of insta-subject change in the middle of other matters.
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On September 25 2013 15:34 Mocsta wrote:Matey, I just don't buy it, for all the reasons explained here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=143#2850Its pretty easy to see that you have skimmed and produced minute details to attack the case that people were voting for you; and then tried to glamour this up by making a counter-?case? on marv + giving out some premature reads 24hrs before flip. Ultimately, you're still my scum read. I am not going to argue with you about whether you are scum.
oh, i never even considered that youre just bad, carry on
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On September 25 2013 15:36 geript wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok so here's where my mind's at. The night kills were super odd in many ways. I'm assuming that the NKs were Yam/BH/Wos; we could make an interesting argument that BH/VA/WoS were the shots and that Coag is actually scum, but I see very little reason to do so there. Yam/BH/WoS isn't awful I guess. but with both VE and Marv in a game I'd fully expect if both of them were town that both of them would be targeted as it's unlikely that both would be medic'd. In the very least I'd expect a doublestack on one of them and then a freebie shot at BH.
Here's the problem that I'm seeing: town got into a shitty place on D1 which is amazing for scum (yes part of that is my fault) and the best priority for scum in this type of situation is to do their best to keep it that way. So the highest priority for scum is not to remove blues but rather to remove people who can bring the thread on track. WoS is ignored half the time despite being a decent player. Yam can bring a thread on track but just as often derail a thread into "No You're scum" posting. Vayne (if he was a scum shot) is intentionally worthless until endgame.
Rather my priority as scum would be to remove active quality players of which the available shots would be: VE, Marv, DP (prior to rage quit), Mocsta, Rayn and a few others. So what's the point in shooting WoS or Yam/Vayne over any of those five. I'm honestly not seeing it. There's a shit ton of scum (6); there's an amazing KP rate (1/2 round up), town seems to be mostly inactive. Where's any sort of benefit of not trying to remove the "get on track" type people to keep the thread in a clusterfucked situation?
I've only seen odd kills like this in two drastically different situations: mostly inactive scum where NKs going through is far more important than anything else and mostly active experienced scum where they need a bit of time to hide before it becomes obvious. I'm not sure that Mattchew is right about Marv, but I really think that we should be taking hard looks at Marv/VE/etc. again because I'd bet that a number of the "pro scummers" are scum. Did is so full of dumb.
Did you know your push on Marv, aligns with the timing of MattChew push on Marv?
Did you know as scum in personality2, we left marv alive intentionally?
Did you know in desert, marv & hapa was left alive until hapa claimed doc?
Wtf? WoS was a solid NK, as he was a low possibilty medic rank (and also had a scum read on you at the end of his filter)
Why are you refusing to provide comment/analysis on the mattchew situation
You clearly know whats going on, as you commented on mattchew chasing marv...
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On September 25 2013 15:33 Mattchew wrote:
Why are you in a tight spot?
I've pretty much been soft defending you for a while now and if you flip green people will relate my "defense" of you to VE/me as scum from many moons ago. That's how it would look to me.
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On September 25 2013 15:36 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 15:32 Risen wrote:
Really hope Matt is scum or I'm going to be in a tight spot. In other news, lynch FT. I could see a marv lynch, too. Or Cephiro who is still absent. Mocsta with the ole' "lol your post is too long and I'm scum so that's too much effort to respond to/opens me up too much to appearing scummy so I'm not changing my mind" post. ?? I read his whole post before responding. In the followup discussion with Mattchew, it was apparent that he did not address the crux of the case; as he had to provide more information. Anyways, did you like Mattchew response?
I thought it was fine. Not particularly alignment indicative and the fact that he's getting lynched over someone like FT seems really stupid.
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Lol look at mocsta use an unproven and incorrect read to make another read lol
And risen i see what youre saying, that sucks being too right
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But look at all my case discussion doe... Makes me really wanna post more
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Risen,
Like, I don't even understand your point of view with FT. Can you list a couple dot points to why he is the best lynch?
All i saw in your filter was "hes not town" - or along those lines.
+ Day1, you were advocating a Vayne lynch. This was advised as a 50/50 troll lynch.
How is FT different to Vayne in this regard?
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Oh and if i do get lynched im super excited for the "well mattchew that was just shitty play" posts by people that didnt even read my full filter before voting me
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On September 25 2013 15:40 Mocsta wrote:Did is so full of dumb.
No it's not. NK analysis isn't something that happens much around here, but it's the strongest tell out there right now.
Did you know your push on Marv, aligns with the timing of MattChew push on Marv?
Did you know as scum in personality2, we left marv alive intentionally?
Did you know in desert, marv & hapa was left alive until hapa claimed doc?
1.Yah I saw his post. I didn't think much of the Mattchew stuff because I haven't opened Marv's filter (or anyone elses) yet today.
2. It's not a matter of leaving Marv alive. It's a matter of leaving VE/Marv/Rayn/You alive over WoS. It's not like scum can expect by leaving the 'pros' alive it makes it any more likely that they won't get doc'd because we likely have at least 2 docs (I'm personally betting 3 docs 3 vig's minimum)
3. Don't know, don't care.
Wtf? WoS was a solid NK, as he was a low possibilty medic rank (and also had a scum read on you at the end of his filter)
Sure he's a solid NK but not a solid NK on N1. There's better value around so why take 3 Tier 2 shots at best.
Why are you refusing to provide comment/analysis on the mattchew situation
You clearly know whats going on, as you commented on mattchew chasing marv...
Because I skimmed it and haven't read Marv's filter or any of VE/Rayn/You since D1. I see very little point but there are lots of little things that have been nagging at me all game and if I had a gun right now I'd shoot VE in the face then if he flips scum I'd shoot Marv.
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On September 25 2013 15:08 Mattchew wrote:
I cant imagine that there wouldnt be some balance to this game, and with so few players that I think are vets and/or good, i find it impossible for them all to be town. Most of the players I have reasoned why I believe them to be town in earlier posts. BTW, nice prose write up 
This is such a load of malarkey, and I need to write something about it.
We aren't in the newbie leagues here.
Scum selection / Town selection / Blue selection is random. I hate it when ppl make the vet argument.
Next you're going to say that yamato can't roll scum 3 games in a row.. or oatsmaster can't get the cop role 4 games out of 5.
*ohh wait.. it happened recently*
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After I sleep and get my errands done tomorrow I intend to take a very long look at Mocsta/VE/Marv/Rayn tomorrow.
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I cant picture a world of ve and marv on the same scumteam based on their interactions.... But if im wrong that would be so wild
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On September 25 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 15:08 Mattchew wrote:
I cant imagine that there wouldnt be some balance to this game, and with so few players that I think are vets and/or good, i find it impossible for them all to be town. Most of the players I have reasoned why I believe them to be town in earlier posts. BTW, nice prose write up This is such a load of malarkey, and I need to write something about it. We aren't in the newbie leagues here. Scum selection / Town selection / Blue selection is random. I hate it when ppl make the vet argument. Next you're going to say that yamato can't roll scum 3 games in a row.. or oatsmaster can't get the cop role 4 games out of 5. *ohh wait.. it happened recently*
Lol i write that up as a flaw in my logic, this is getting hard to converse with you... But hey your finally reading my post!
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On September 25 2013 15:51 Mattchew wrote:
I cant picture a world of ve and marv on the same scumteam based on their interactions.... But if im wrong that would be so wild
Actually there was an early set of interactions at they had that came off as very weird to me. I know that they've hydra'd a bunch and stuff, but I never really got the sense that they were jockeying with each other at all and that seemed very odd to me as in my experience usually the good players like to try and get a feel for the other good players. Sure maybe I'm just on a bad streak, but those NKs still really bother me and the fact that everyone's been happy to gloss over them without any thought is exceptionally disturbing.
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Look Moc I like you. I will even remind you that I was scum on Mattchew before I think anyone else. Maybe I just remember the thoughts I've had in my head and didn't post them in the thread. But you're not going to be able to bully me this game and the fact that you're pushing this hard in such an odd manner reminds me much more of your play in goldrush or whatever it was.
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I cant possibly see scum pushing a mislynch THIS hard... Moc is town, just misguided and stubbornw
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You don't know Moc at all then and are using retarded heuristics.
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