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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On September 25 2013 17:50 geript wrote: Actually moment of insight. Tofu is scum. I'll explain in the morning. Translation: I'll give myself until morning to make up some bullshit to accuse Tofu of. Why don't you post it now? What are you afraid of? | ||
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geript
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On September 25 2013 17:51 Mocsta wrote: Tofu. I got what u said the first time. I'm saying. I think the only way town would fail to address the case is if they gave up. If that was the case, we would have a completely different post from Matt or any town for that matter. Scum do things for many reasons. Sometimes we can't understand it until post game . All I'm saying is. If Matt chew could break down the case without resorting to discrediting. He would... But thanks for responding anyways. U do understand where u r coming from. I am just of a different opinion on how to interpret To be clear, I don't really mind the Mattchew lynch because he's pretty useless. I just don't think he's going to flip scum based on what he's been saying. We also really, really need to lynch scum today because it reduces scum KP by 1. I think there are quite a few people that are scummier than Mattchew that would be better lynches with a higher chance of flipping scum. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On September 25 2013 17:59 geript wrote: Oh and Mocsta... I still want you to answer my question. I am not a wolf/scum. I believe that was your question. my turn. comment in mattchew. alignment | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 25 2013 12:20 Pandain wrote: I think Firm is not a good lynch for today, but definitely a good possibility in the future. This stinks. On September 25 2013 12:44 Mocsta wrote: That's ok. I know are waiting till deeper in the cycle to confirm how he will react.. if he does. So. Is sentinel really your highest % to flip? I hate this. yamato has consistently pushed Sentinel in the strongest language. Including "confirmed mafia". Yuck. On September 25 2013 14:35 Mocsta wrote: Well.. give stutters more time.. there's 6 scum and he's sick. Btw. U want to know why sentinel is confirmed scum? He fucken stated he skimmed vers guide... Seriously.. lol.. talk about over compensation I'm pretty sure he did this as scum in smurf mini as well Sentinel, Mocsta? Have you clarified this post? On September 25 2013 15:48 geript wrote: 2. It's not a matter of leaving Marv alive. It's a matter of leaving VE/Marv/Rayn/You alive over WoS. It's not like scum can expect by leaving the 'pros' alive it makes it any more likely that they won't get doc'd because we likely have at least 2 docs (I'm personally betting 3 docs 3 vig's minimum) This is stupid. WoS is a prime shot. In my eyes, the only people I would possibly consider shooting over him this game are yam, me, DP. So that shot is totally unsurprising in my eyes. On September 25 2013 16:01 geript wrote: You don't know Moc at all then and are using retarded heuristics. Lol this. I'm still thinking: Cephiro I think Mattchew is town. I buy his retarded defence and accusations. ##unvote | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 25 2013 15:37 Pandain wrote: ##vote Marv Pandain | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
There was his post at the beginning of the game that I and others were originally pretty suspicious of - the one where he peddled suspicion at OO and Cheesecake, which seemed really out of place. Mark 1? Several players agreed (although I'm not so sure) that his reaction to the nightkills was weird. Mark 2? Generally displayed little interest in the day 1 lynch. Mentions of FirmTofu On September 24 2013 08:07 Pandain wrote: Anyone else getting the idea that Firmtofu is scum trying to save legitimacy? Plus this before So he's caught up, but doesn't want to share any initial impressions? He's afraid of sharing his opinions, which is suspicious. Reverts to his reads yesterday? Critizices geript(btw does anyone think he's not town I was writing a good case for why he's a solid town read in my eyes but don't want to post it if it's useless.) for having 5 pages of filter when he only has 3. Aka his playing mindset to him is less than he expects in Gertrip. Usually normal analysis you base how you read others on your own play. Bad posts are different from weak posts. Firm scum(my)! On September 24 2013 18:27 Pandain wrote: Like what. How did it feel like a townie response? I assume you mean Marv convinced you your argument was flawed? Sounds accusatory, I guess he still has a scumread? On September 25 2013 12:20 Pandain wrote: I think Firm is not a good lynch for today, but definitely a good possibility in the future. ARGH NO. This is horrible on two levels. One, Firm has apparently been a scumread for Pandain, so why is he not a good lynch today? Secondly, it's a disgusting "let's leave my options open without having to commit" line. That's horrible. Bonus? On September 25 2013 14:44 Pandain wrote: Basically I think he's being lynched more for being bad then for being scum, and I would rather lynch someone based on analysis of being scum. On September 25 2013 15:37 Pandain wrote: ##vote Marv Compilation of Pandain's analysis on marvellosity On September 23 2013 Pandain wrote about marv: nothing at all On September 24 2013 Pandain wrote about marv: nothing at all On September 24 2013 Pandain wrote about marv: nothing at all Filthy boy. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
This is a pure meta post. His Titanic (town) filter for reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720&user=justanothertownie Going to spoiler it because it'll probably involve a lot of quotes and not a lot of me saying anything :p + Show Spoiler + Here's his suspicions from the first few pages of Titanic: Titanic Mafia Is justanothertownie a suspicious little townie? On July 27 2013 20:13 justanothertownie wrote: Hey guys, just caught up. First impressions: I don't like Paperscraps. First he joins the lurker discussion without adding any content, then he starts to jump on exarezee without any good reason (I'm not really convinced that it was just a joke) and when he gets a little heat for it he totally backs off. I really hate this: So this is not serious at all? Add to this how he didn't post anything since he noticed people getting suspicious. To me he is the scummiest player so far. Also I'm annoyed by CJS. Going through his filter I can't find anything valuable - he just didn't say anything until this point (apart from fluff). This is jat's very first post. He already has a scumread on Paperscraps, and he's suspicious of CJS. On July 28 2013 01:51 justanothertownie wrote: Oats is really doing his best in this regard... So, oats which part of your case do you want me to adress? As for scumreads: Paper still looks scummy to me for the same reasons i mentioned before. You start to look scummy to me because you are killing town atmosphere and keeping tunneling me with that joke of a case. I don't have any other scumreads as of yet. There are plenty of people who didn't contribute nearly enough to really judge them based on their posts. Paperscraps scummy, hz starting to be scummy. On July 28 2013 01:57 justanothertownie wrote: Sigh. Because you try to make it look like you are really contributing and scumhunting while you just repeat the same things all over again without bringing any good points. Let's just assume i was not in the game - who would you want to lynch? Oats' tunnel on jat is scummy. On July 28 2013 20:43 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, my read on you was justifiable at that point but where do you see a lot of posts that would indicate this? Sounds weird to me. I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good? Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers? For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. What? Please explain this. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps Jat is also suspicious of Koshi. On July 29 2013 09:19 justanothertownie wrote: fml... I really have to reevaluate most of my reads now. I will do so tomorrow. Vivax doesn't look good for this unvote btw. Can't see a good town reason to do it but scum could try to get town cred. Vivax is suspicous. On July 29 2013 19:34 justanothertownie wrote: But to answer your question: gut-wise and without thinking it through very well the 4 persons I would probably lynch are: koshi, hzflank, maybe stutters/vayne and you Take this with a grain of salt. Suspicious of lots of people. On July 30 2013 08:23 justanothertownie wrote: So, I thought about it and I came to the conclusion that you are absolutely right, hz. Koshi and you are not both scum - it's just you. If I had read Koshis case on you closely before I posted this 4 lynch candidates I wouldn't have put him in there. His case against you makes a shitton of sense and I can and will add content to that shortly. I underestimated Koshi because I read a game he played in where his play was extremely weird and because of his lazy play (lynch-lists with only lurkers) D1. Koshi suspicious. On July 31 2013 03:06 justanothertownie wrote: First there is Tofu who I still don't like (still think he is scum) but to be fair I have to look into what happened last night again before I am 100% content saying he is scum. The same goes for hzflank (in his case there is even more new information to consider). Besides there is this clarity thing. Depends totally on my idea to be correct though. I also have to look into vayne again but currently I have no opinion on him. Firm and hzflank suspicious. Answer to question: yes, yes he is. TL Mafia LXII is jat a suspicious little townie? On September 22 2013 00:07 justanothertownie wrote: Hi guys... Mocsta do you think Koshi is town or scum? Btw. if anybody wants me to comment on something specific feel free to point me to it. Included this just as a comparison to Titanic. On September 23 2013 10:32 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, this is where I stand: LoneMeow: I can see him being discouraged town. The only thing I really don't like is how he just left after voting himself. He is definitely not dumb and knows that this is horrible. But I don't see how it really makes sense as scum either. Ray: I don't get this guy. His posting is extremely unintuitive but he obviously posted like this in his last game, too. I am struggling to form an opinion on him. FirmTofu: This looks so unbelievable to me. There are 2 possibilities (I don't buy his explanation): (1) He is town and to proud to admit he made a mistake. (2) He is scum trying to cover up inconsistencies. He had this weird discussion with DP and he walked us through him reading the thread for a while (a good way to seem active and invested without necessarily doing too much of value). Then he just disappeared. If I was in his shoes and my time was limited I would try to catch up to the thread asap and not comment on things (without presenting some sort of critical information) that happened ages ago and I especially wouldn't try to discuss those comments with people instead of reading the rest of the thread. Of those 3 people I like this lynch the most and I have to vote someone now because I have to sleep. ##Vote: FirmTofu This is halfway down the third page of jat's filter, and is the first time I can find marked suspicion on anybody. And it's because he needs to vote someone before he sleeps. On September 24 2013 03:38 justanothertownie wrote: I still don't have very strong reads. There are a few people I am relatively confident are town but noone I am sure is scum. People that look bad and come to mind are FT (no improvement and the lynch doesn't make him look better), Risen (I have to admit I don't know this guy at all so maybe he is just a player who doesn't give a fuck at all? - really anti town though), kush (as you said he can do better we will see Day2). I am also slightly suspicious of Mocsta because of his voting behaviour yesterday and because he obviously has a quite strong townread on me (I mean there is nothing wrong with it but the last player who read me town strongly while nobody else did was scum). I wouldn't lynch him though. Ok, still suspicious of FT, Risen for being "anti-town", kush "can do better", and Mocsta "although I wouldn't lynch him". Bear in mind this post was prompted by rayn, not given voluntarily. On September 25 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I read his filter again and your case. Still the same feeling about it. Sounds logical - guy might be scum. Is it compelling enough to convince me 100%? No, it is not. On the other hand Mattchews reaction to the case is pretty damning in my eyes. He doesn't even try to defend himself or present better targets. Has to be shat on to give a scumread on Mattchew. Originally I read how he posted around here as town, but now, meh. Answer to question: no, it really doesn't look like it. jat never attempts to engage or develop his read on his only other main scumread, Firm, either. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I'm gonna make coffee and let's talk. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
I currently think FirmTofu is town, mainly as a product of my other reads above. jat is suspicious of FT by force, never tries to get info out of FT though Pandain thinks FT is scummy, but doesn't want to lynch him today, but he's a good possibility for later (seriously, this is the scummiest thing ever.) Cephiro: On September 23 2013 11:01 Cephiro wrote: Okay, voting for LoneMeow because: 1) He's appareantly a new player I have no idea of 2) He started martyring which is something I dislike 3) This Ray guy on a quick look doesn't look like he should be killed 4) I have no idea about this FirmTofu guy 5) Some other wagons that were in the last votecount have players that I'm familiar with and am able to read during nightphase 'nuff said. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
##Unvote: FirmTofu ##Vote: Cephiro I liked FirmTofu's responses to me. There are a couple of things that bother me still. 1) His weird contradiction in his read on VE -- in N1 (i talked about it), which he hasn't explain. 2) His list. Especially the "tier 1" which seems to be based only on "these people have accused me" besides Umasi and Zaragon. Anyways, i don't see scum!FT defend Mattchew like he did as either alignment. That being said. I am done with Cephiro. Every single post he makes ends up with "i am soon caught up, then i will prove my towniness and find scum!" and every time he fails to deliver anything at all. He's scum. I don't like Mattchew being scum any more. There were some things in his response that are bad, some things that are good, but the thing that struck me was his response about Stutters. He said "i was trying to make other people talk about Stutters". That to me struck as townie as fuck. In case Stutters is town, that's what scum!Mattchew would want to do, but not what he would want to tell people afterwards. In case Stutters is scum, that's not what scum!Mattchew would want to do (if he wanted to bus he would want credit from that bus instead). Of course he could be lying or he could be really good as scum, but besides that i don't see that response coming from scum. Next, lemme look at Pandain and JAT. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I have never played with him before so i have no idea what he does as town or scum. I think he is supposed to be a good player no? If he is, lynch. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 25 2013 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can't understand Pandain, i just can't. Things he say make sense but then again they don't make sense. Ugh... I have never played with him before so i have no idea what he does as town or scum. I think he is supposed to be a good player no? If he is, lynch. It's just that line about Firm I mentioned. Sooooooooo scummy. In addition to the other supporting fluff. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On September 25 2013 21:03 marvellosity wrote: Mocsta where are you? I want answers re: Sentinel! ^_^ I'm here. What about sentinel? If Mattchew lost traction, hes the next on the list. My team is Geript / Sentinel / Zaragon (/Mattchew) I will re-read mattchew tomorrow with a clear head (unfortunately, thats what 2-3hrs before deadline?). Im prob still biased against him at the moment though to be impartial when re-reading. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
Dude is town. | ||
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