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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
September 25 2013 07:03 GMT
#3281
On September 25 2013 15:08 Mattchew wrote:
Isn't it just a little strange the ease in which votes have just been rained down upon me? nah bro's this is totes normal

Heres another pearler.

So you are shitting on these people:
Mocsta, VE, Marv, OO, JAT, Umasi


But where is the analysis/conclusion of what it means for those people to vote you.

More malarkey.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 25 2013 07:25 GMT
#3282
I'm here.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 25 2013 07:31 GMT
#3283
My current shitlist:
Umasi
geript
raynpelikoneet
Risen
Zaragon
[UoN]Sentinel

I can vote for any of these guys.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 25 2013 07:34 GMT
#3284
Tier 2 Shitters:
Lonemeow
Koshi
Pandain
Stutters
Coagulation
Mattchew
JAT
All the replacements

There's probably 1 or two scum in this list, but I can't figure out which ones. I want to know why Koshi is so quiet after a relatively active Day 1.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 25 2013 07:35 GMT
#3285
Add Cephiro to that second list.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 25 2013 07:36 GMT
#3286
...and Mr. CC
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
September 25 2013 07:38 GMT
#3287
Thnx for the list.

I agree with a couple on ya tier1

Can u give some comment to what transpired with mattychew defense.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 25 2013 07:39 GMT
#3288
On September 25 2013 16:38 Mocsta wrote:
Thnx for the list.

I agree with a couple on ya tier1

Can u give some comment to what transpired with mattychew defense.

Sure.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 25 2013 08:12 GMT
#3289
@Mattchew's defense
First of all, if marv is scum, we might as well give up now. Mattchew is wrong about pretty much everything regarding marv.

In spite of all this, I have to ask myself, "What motive could Mattchew have to throw dirt onto one of the towniest players in the game?" If Mattchew was scum, would he really go about saving his ass from being lynched by accusing marv? The only explanation I can come up with is if marv and Mattchew are both scum and this is an elaborate bus to make marv look good post lynch. Yeah, not very likely. Although Mattchew could not be more wrong about marv, it does make him look more townie in my eyes.

Then he posts a bunch of town reads. bleh :/ Not sure why you would do this as either alignment. The reads themselves are pretty awful. They showcase a tangential understanding of thread progression at best. Either Mattchew is scum deliberately dumbing down his reads or he's playing poorly as town. I don't know his meta, so I can't decide.

Then, he talks about players he would like to see flipped. Why? WHY? What a pointless discussion to have. I don't see town or scum doing this.


My conclusion is that Mattchew is either bad town or bad scum. None of his actions make sense. It's as if he's only skimmed the thread and doesn't understand what's going on. For now, I'm leaning towards bad town.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
September 25 2013 08:20 GMT
#3290
So u were comfortable with how he diffused the case? Is that correct firmtofu?

And did u think the marv content was relevant to this game. Or just generic spiel around marv in his prime?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 25 2013 08:24 GMT
#3291
On September 25 2013 16:38 Mocsta wrote:
Thnx for the list.

I agree with a couple on ya tier1

Can u give some comment to what transpired with mattychew defense.

Moc. 1 question for you. Are you town?
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 25 2013 08:25 GMT
#3292
On September 25 2013 17:20 Mocsta wrote:
So u were comfortable with how he diffused the case? Is that correct firmtofu?

And did u think the marv content was relevant to this game. Or just generic spiel around marv in his prime?

Well, he didn't diffuse the case at all. That's another thing I have a problem with. He just decided to say, "I don't ened to defend myself, I'll just post other bullshit to look town," Again, bad play from either alignment and therefore not really alignment indicative.

Everything Mattchew posted about about marv was terrible. All wrong and twisted.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 25 2013 08:29 GMT
#3293
On September 25 2013 17:25 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 17:20 Mocsta wrote:
So u were comfortable with how he diffused the case? Is that correct firmtofu?

And did u think the marv content was relevant to this game. Or just generic spiel around marv in his prime?

Well, he didn't diffuse the case at all. That's another thing I have a problem with. He just decided to say, "I don't ened to defend myself, I'll just post other bullshit to look town," Again, bad play from either alignment and therefore not really alignment indicative.

Everything Mattchew posted about about marv was terrible. All wrong and twisted.

Pray tell how it was twisted and wrong. All I see is you trying to wriggle out of the noose.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
September 25 2013 08:30 GMT
#3294
Walk me through Why is it not alignment indicative?

Why would town who is confident in role pm openly decide to NOT diffuse the case?

This is beyond knowing mattychew and using a meta argument.

I mean. It sounds like U r giving me permission to never respond to a case, as it's bad play and there null play?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
September 25 2013 08:33 GMT
#3295
Let me clarify.

Ppl dodge cases all the time when votes are not on.
Town and scum do this.

But. When votes are on and u r leading candidate. Surely u have to address the case if u don't want to be lynched. This is where we run into problems with how mattchew decided to approach his defense.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 25 2013 08:41 GMT
#3296
@mocsta
You misunderstand. I'm saying it's bad town play and bad scum play to not respond to your case directly. When you are the leading lynch candidate with very few alternatives, it is in your best interest and town AND scum to defend yourself adequately. When Mattchew chose to not defend himself from you, it was bad play whether he is town or scum. Hence, the behavior is not alignment indicative.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 25 2013 08:42 GMT
#3297
Basically, I don't see scum mattchew refusing to defend himself. It digs himself into a deeper hole for no reason. If he was scum, his teammates would be urging him to defend himself. I'm not seeing that here.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 25 2013 08:45 GMT
#3298
I'm not sure if I should vote for Moc or tofu. Ok now really night night.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 25 2013 08:50 GMT
#3299
Actually moment of insight. Tofu is scum. I'll explain in the morning.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
September 25 2013 08:51 GMT
#3300
Tofu.

I got what u said the first time.

I'm saying. I think the only way town would fail to address the case is if they gave up. If that was the case, we would have a completely different post from Matt or any town for that matter.

Scum do things for many reasons. Sometimes we can't understand it until post game .

All I'm saying is. If Matt chew could break down the case without resorting to discrediting. He would...

But thanks for responding anyways. U do understand where u r coming from. I am just of a different opinion on how to interpret
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