GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars

On August 06 2013 17:28 Xatalos wrote:
OMG Spoilerzzz!!!

Anyways, good to see the game starting soonish (though I still miss the answers to my earlier setup questions :/ ). The deadline is in a bit awkward spot for me, about when I usually wake up (I think), but it's not too bad I guess... At least unless I have a busy morning

On August 07 2013 00:01 s0Lstice wrote:
im in the nightswatch i can talk its cool

On August 07 2013 02:05 s0Lstice wrote:
I just called my banners and got voicemail : /

On August 08 2013 15:08 Oatsmaster wrote:

you knowing my town reads on people doesnt help you.
fuck you too yamato.

On August 08 2013 18:18 Onegu wrote:
If I wanted a house list it would be Baratheon.

On August 08 2013 19:54 Koshi wrote:

I meant how the person in your house got elected.
Your first scumread in Titanic was on a town that you pushed till the end.
Then you found a "townslip" on an actual scum that we suspected and managed to get that scum enough towncred so he didn't get lynched day 1.

Now in this game you say that your entire house is town and that we should just trust you on it.

That's hilarious.

On August 08 2013 19:09 Xatalos wrote:
Heh, you don't need to convince me about that. I've already stated that I see no use in hiding House member lists. It just slows down scumhunting without likely any gain IMO.

On August 08 2013 21:46 Dandel Ion wrote:

He was openly going for a no-lord voting.

He's not town.
I've seen retarded town. I've seen trolls. This is not it.

On August 08 2013 22:54 Xatalos wrote:


According to the rules it's 1 KP per Lord per Day. 1 x 7 = 7 KP = a lot.

Each house has an X kp shot every night cycle (combined, so shot every 72 hours) which is used by whoever is currently lord. They must pm the mods to send in the house kp and the action will go through as soon as a mod sees the pm.

On August 09 2013 01:13 Onegu wrote:
So im not following the clarity_nl thing because of all the redacted. Someone gave thier role name out, then someone passed that along, but the first person didnt pass it along? Then the third person passed it on to the last person with a analysis?

On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity?

On August 09 2013 01:27 Chromatically wrote:

Why wouldn't scum act upset and try to get you lynched for this?

On August 09 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What was the point of intentionally ignore SnB questioning you about your lie, multiple times as he said?
What kind of reaction you were hoping for? And how did REDACTED act? Does he come townie to you or what?

On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:


If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway)
If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well"

Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously.

On August 09 2013 01:36 Chromatically wrote:

^ Isn't this what SnB did? Out you in thread and push you for it?

On August 09 2013 01:40 strongandbig wrote:
so clarity's "reaction test" is possible, but unlikely, since it should have been obvious that scum would easily be able to fake anger.

one of the bigger problems for me is why he didn't try to find anything out about what my "plan" was before he intentionally ruined it.

Also why he first said it was just because he was curious about what the other person would think, and then later said he did it on purpose to test my reaction.

On August 09 2013 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You didn´t really answer me. If you are doing a reaction test you will know he will call you out for lying. You MUST have an answer to that (for reference see what i did in NWM N1) before it happens.

Also when doing reaction tests in off thread comm games you basically gotta have a back up. Someone you tell what are you up to before you do it. Without that reaction tests are either stupid or scum. Mafia can after every mistake they make say "oh, it was just a reaction test", and everyone should believe them? So what was your intention during this whole thing that went on N0 in your place?

On August 09 2013 01:57 Risen wrote:
Working on it. Just felt like posting something from my phone while I was on the toilet. Have some definite scum reads.

PSA: Don't post your town reads people. That's just stupid unless you're about to die.

On August 09 2013 02:04 Xatalos wrote:
By the way Clarity, you never responded to my response to your question (about the House member lists)?

snb, what makes Clarity scum from that PM event? What was the Mafia agenda? I can understand losing your trust in him, but it's not the same as being scum. Actually why would a scum want to lose your trust for no reason?

On August 09 2013 01:04 Onegu wrote:
Sorry wifes birthday just back home and processing everything now will post thoughts on everything. First on house baratheon. Koshi looks the worst at first why put himself up after saying he didnt want to be lord, also why not vote for sol, just because DI says he is scum? We also need to hear from sol, why vote a null read over a town read.

On August 09 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
SnB, Clarity and REDACTED:

Why can´t you just tell what the reasons for REDACTED is to think Clarity is town?
You are pushing the issue under the carpet after making such a scene out of it first. Why is that?

I have to go after that, i tell people i am gonna vote for myself and why they should vote for me over FT. If they for some reason can´t consolidate on me, i tell them to elect FT, because having no lord at all is the worst thing that can happen.

FT i am leaning scum on for his wishy-washyness.

On August 09 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because electing noone is shit and the other people were not running. Even if a house elects mafia as a lord it gives town info. There are 5 lords. People MUST PM with each other (especially Lords). If scumlord, they might out themselves to a town lord.

On August 09 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Are you sure Clarity believed your claim? Because he said he didn´t.
If he didn´t, all this proves nothing whatever his alignment is.

On August 09 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I had no time any more and noone was answering me. There is no reason to have a lord that does not want to be one. They get lazy and we don´t gain information.

On August 09 2013 03:20 Xatalos wrote:


Hmmm..... Clarity, why did you happily pass along snb's role name if you thought that "scum can bluesnipe rolenames"? This chain of events just seems stupid.

On August 09 2013 03:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If you really thought that, then what was the point you telling his rolename to Oats in the first place?

On August 09 2013 03:28 Xatalos wrote:


I don't see any actual scum motivation in forwarding the role name, so I don't think you even have a reason to lie about this. Definitely not lynchworthy stuff.

What was your basis for hiding Oatsmaster's identity, by the way? Or at least aiding in hiding it? It feels very stupid to argue something for so long with incomplete information.

On August 09 2013 03:54 Acrofales wrote:

Wait what? YOU are Ser Redacted? And when asked if something interested happened in the confines of your house (Winterfell, apparently), you decided to keep this rather controversial situation to the thread, saying that everything was groovy?

Explain yourself. Also, whatever gambit that was, it is atrocious. It doesn't sound indicative of Clarity's allegiance at all. It sounds like he gave you his real name and you derped it up, by claiming some nonsense name magic. I don't understand at all how you deduce that he is not a Blackfyre infiltrant from that, unless you were already privy to that information and were just dicking around.

While I often find it hard to uncover your motivations for doing things, this seems like a particularly stupid gaff. At first my grievances were with your lord, but it's possible that your entire house is Blackfyre scum?

On August 09 2013 04:01 Risen wrote:
So yeah Clarity's interaction with REDACTED makes much more sense to me now. He told REDACTED about snb's role b/c they were scum mates. Clarity_nl is scum.

On August 09 2013 04:03 Risen wrote:


I think the scumteam has coached him to post this way so he appears to be playing to a town meta.

On August 09 2013 04:07 Risen wrote:


Alrighty last post before da beech. I think the PM chain was a scumslip on their part. I think they were supposed to keep it to themselves. I don't think the interaction between Clarity and Oats was supposed to come to light which is why Clarity ended up lying in the PM chain then having to backtrack on it. Clarity probably told Oats the role name, that got revealed because Oats goofed or something, then they had to concoct a story to fit.

On August 09 2013 04:13 Chromatically wrote:

You think this makes him scum?

On August 09 2013 04:29 Acrofales wrote:

Err, wait. Grack was the black lion, not the black kraken.

I still have not much opinion. His explanation of his behaviour to us seems quite okay, but he hasn't done much other than announce who are his family members. I still don't have much of an opinion of him one way or another. He seems to have some thoughts, which is okay, I guess, but nothing particularly useful.

On August 09 2013 05:02 kushm4sta wrote:
All this redacted stuff is confusing after the fact...who did we learn was scum? clarity?

On August 09 2013 05:03 Xatalos wrote:


By the way how was Risen's case "compelling" at all...? It was based on DI being scum and similarly stupid assumptions. The only somewhat reasonable point in there was me asking filler questions and you even continued by saying that you "see townies asking questions with only one answer all the time"...........

Also, don't you consider me a good scum player? I think I'm much better as scum than as town.

On August 09 2013 05:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I´m sorry, that was not obvious to me because of the RP.
You did not answer me btw. What do you think of FT & Onegu?

On August 09 2013 05:12 Xatalos wrote:


Hm. How come that filler point was the compelling part of his case, yet you continued with "I see townies asking questions with only one answer all the time"? Or was that more of a mitigating point to the original point?

On August 09 2013 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If you mean me & Acro, it already happened in PM´s..

On August 09 2013 06:55 jrkirby wrote:


We cannot PM people outside our houses, right?

On August 09 2013 11:15 s0Lstice wrote:


Clarity my boy. I see no reason not to assume that you think your play so far has been pro-town. With that said, what are you doing here? If your thread directing is useful and pro-town, what is with the self-conscious acknowledgement of the behavior? If it's protown then you should just be carrying on. It seems like you have some inherent guilt here.

On August 09 2013 08:35 Chromatically wrote:
Why isn't everyone voting Sol already?

On August 09 2013 08:20 Oberyn wrote:
I'm not really sure what you're rambling about Acro. You essentially took my plan from my first post, decided that you and me worked on it together (I have no idea where that comes from) and now won't share it for whatever reason.

I'm still suspicious of sol, but for now I'm going to:

##Unvote
##Vote Acrofales

On August 09 2013 08:50 Oberyn wrote:


Exactly. Nothing there points to us working together on come to your plan. It gives me the creeps that you decide to bring up three different times that I helped formulate the idea as if we're working behind the scenes to come up with something incredibly pro-town. I feel like you're buddying up to me in that sense. Furthermore, the plan isn't so great that you have to keep it a secret from rayn. You're overstating your contribution right now.

On August 09 2013 09:02 Oberyn wrote:
More on Acrofales:

I first contact him via pm's because I found his conclusion that DI and koshi are both town quite puzzling. When I asked about it futher, he explained that he doesn't think DI truly thinks that sol and koshi are scum, he is simply pressuring them. Based on DI's emotional tunnel, I certainly do not draw the same conclusion. He also inadequately explains why koshi is town. He states that DI is overreacting on his views about koshi., but how is this indicative of koshi's alignment? He states that he isn't interested in considering a koshi lynch, but doesn't provide a solid reason. Furthermore, if you earlier thought that DI was faking his read on koshi to pressure him, how is he suddenly overreacting on his read? That's a contradiction.

Initially, he thought that it was a good idea to use the health check simply to figure out the hp system. This is incredibly anti-town. When I attack him for his plan, he quickly drops it.

Acro's house is a slew of inactives, but he has shown little interest in dealing with them.

In the thread, Acro has said a lot of nothing. He is using the role playing nonsense to cover up the fact that he isn't sharing many strong reads. I see little reason why he shouldn't be considered for a lynch today.

On August 09 2013 18:02 Xatalos wrote:


Hmmm. I don't really see that as a scum-only motivation. Scum would certainly have reason to pile more suspicion on their target after selecting him, but similarly town can be consumed by confirmation bias and focus on convincing others of their read. Look at Dandel Ion's tunnel on Koshi, for example.

On August 09 2013 18:15 Grackaroni wrote:
ok 15 minutes past and nobody read my post. cya tomorrow guys

On August 09 2013 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing. In Oberyn´s defense he was suspicious of Acro before our thing happened. He expressed his suspicion to me in PM´s and told me to not tell anyone about that (as there was this house HP stuff going on, he wanted more information from Acro regarding that). So i can see why he voted / laid out his case on Acro when he did and it makes sense to me.

On August 09 2013 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:


First we started talking about Onegu (his suggestion of using the house HP check), i told Oberyn this:
"Onegu´s suggestion is beyond stupid or scummy. Why should we give mafia information about how many HP people have, od D1, when there is not much to go with? Have you tried to ask his reasoning for that?"

Oberyn agreed with me. Then he said he finds it weird Acrofales agrees with Onegu and wants to use the HP check on their own house because it´s important for the lords to know about the HP so they can direct KP accordingly. Then he said Acro is his biggest suspect at the moment and asked me to not share this with anyone yet so he could keep questioning him.

Me:
"Hmm.. Ask him (Acro) about his motives to use the HP check. I find that extremely anti-town thing to do at this point, at least if a scum!Lord uses it (as they get the information). Assuming mafia does not know how much HP people have they are in the same boat with us townies right now. there is no reason to push that information to be known right now as mafia is the holder of the KP besides us lords. It does not help town at all. Keep up messaging with Acro, and keep me informed. "

Oberyn then told me that Acro had misunderstood the check as a single target check (i assume this means that you can pick one person - when in fact it´s a full house) and in that case Acro´s suggestion is not that scummy. First Acro had told Oberyn he thinks it should be used on D1 to find out about hp, which Oberyn thought was scummy, but then he had said it should be used to confirm lord kp, which was in Oberyn´s mind less scummy (i didin´t really get what that meant).

Me:
"Okay, if that´s true what you said about Acro it´s not a scumtell. I mean if he thought the check was not single. As k him how he can possibly think so (single target) when the OP clearly says otherwise. Pressure him on that. If he is mafia he might fuck up."

And that´s the last time we have talked about Acrofales.

On August 09 2013 09:02 Oberyn wrote:
More on Acrofales:

I first contact him via pm's because I found his conclusion that DI and koshi are both town quite puzzling. When I asked about it futher, he explained that he doesn't think DI truly thinks that sol and koshi are town, he is simply pressuring them. Based on DI's emotional tunnel, I certainly do not draw the same conclusion. He also inadequately explains why koshi is town. He states that DI is overreacting on his views about koshi., but how is this indicative of koshi's alignment? He states that he isn't interested in considering a koshi lynch, but doesn't provide a solid reason. Furthermore, if you earlier thought that DI was faking his read on koshi to pressure him, how is he suddenly overreacting on his read? That's a contradiction.

Initially, he thought that it was a good idea to use the health check simply to figure out the hp system. This is incredibly anti-town. When I attack him for his plan, he quickly drops it.

Acro's house is a slew of inactives, but he has shown little interest in dealing with them.

In the thread, Acro has said a lot of nothing. He is using the role playing nonsense to cover up the fact that he isn't sharing many strong reads. I see little reason why he shouldn't be considered for a lynch today.

On August 09 2013 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing. In Oberyn´s defense he was suspicious of Acro before our thing happened. He expressed his suspicion to me in PM´s and told me to not tell anyone about that (as there was this house HP stuff going on, he wanted more information from Acro regarding that). So i can see why he voted / laid out his case on Acro when he did and it makes sense to me.

On August 09 2013 18:50 Grackaroni wrote:


Koshi read town to me in his arguments with DI. (DI too)

I'm willing to forgive s0Lstice's choosing chromatically over Di because he was obviously caught up in an EPEEN measuring contest with DI and I think judging from both Koshi and s0Lstice's reactions to DI, DI was being obnoxious and it made him act irrationally. (not choose DI out of spite, justify it to himself with the possible waste of house power for nothing)

Acro I'm really not sure about, I'll look over him tomorrow because I actually am tired.

As for Jrkirby. @clarity, how many of those inexperienced players made posts like that in the middle of the game and then left without really talking about any player with anyone?

On August 09 2013 20:19 Xatalos wrote:
Release the Gracken!

Rayn, are you sure? That's not how I understood the rules at all. DrParnassus, what's your take on this matter?

"Each house has an X kp shot every night cycle (combined, so shot every 72 hours) which is used by whoever is currently lord. They must pm the mods to send in the house kp and the action will go through as soon as a mod sees the pm."

Since Oberyn already suspected Acro before coming to the conclusion of voting for him, I don't think it's really unnatural to tunnel for a bit and search for more reasons for Acro to be scum. I've done that as town and as scum, so I don't think it's too alignment indicative. I think it's more suspicious to avoid currently relevant topics, as DI mentioned.

iamperfection, are you still vouching for a lurker lynch? Wouldn't KP fit that task much better?

On August 09 2013 20:54 Xatalos wrote:
Clarity, do you have other scumreads than Oberyn by the way?

I didn't mention the hp check because it wasn't part of my case? I'm not sure what you're referring too based on that last statement.

On August 09 2013 09:02 Oberyn wrote:
More on Acrofales:

I first contact him via pm's because I found his conclusion that DI and koshi are both town quite puzzling. When I asked about it futher, he explained that he doesn't think DI truly thinks that sol and koshi are town, he is simply pressuring them. Based on DI's emotional tunnel, I certainly do not draw the same conclusion. He also inadequately explains why koshi is town. He states that DI is overreacting on his views about koshi., but how is this indicative of koshi's alignment? He states that he isn't interested in considering a koshi lynch, but doesn't provide a solid reason. Furthermore, if you earlier thought that DI was faking his read on koshi to pressure him, how is he suddenly overreacting on his read? That's a contradiction.

Initially, he thought that it was a good idea to use the health check simply to figure out the hp system. This is incredibly anti-town. When I attack him for his plan, he quickly drops it.

Acro's house is a slew of inactives, but he has shown little interest in dealing with them.

In the thread, Acro has said a lot of nothing. He is using the role playing nonsense to cover up the fact that he isn't sharing many strong reads. I see little reason why he shouldn't be considered for a lynch today.

On August 09 2013 22:22 Oberyn wrote:


As opposed to a vote meant to not pressure him? Yes I wanted a reaction.



It hasn't changed and I just asked him a few things less than an hour ago, but he's playing hard to get. I don't think sol and dandel are both scum, which is the part time trying to figure out.




Suggestions?



At this point I'd rather focus more on other players than myself, unless there was something about Acro that you don't follow.

On August 09 2013 22:37 kushm4sta wrote:
yeah sorry about my terrible activity this just started at an unexpectedly bad time.
i will allow my lynch if you want but ONLY based on policy because I do this shit as town for like the past 5 games straight

On August 09 2013 22:41 kushm4sta wrote:


hi clarity i appreciate your engagement with me.
the answer to your question is a resounding no.

On August 09 2013 22:42 Koshi wrote:
iamp why do you have a strong townread on Oats?

He entered the thread getting into a discussion with Yamato about why it is bad to release the names of the houses, which might be because he is town and he is concerned about it but aren't chances higher that he did it to stop scumhunting? Oats also asks stupid questions to everybody that tried to actually start scumhunting to draw them away from that. Sure it puts Oats in the spotlight but it also shits up the thread and it is hard for the other person that is discussing with Oats to not respond to these stupid questions.

Oats DID NOT PUT HIS THOUGHTS clearly in this thread. What kind of bullshit is that? He currently has 5 townreads. 3 members of his house because they are "nice and shit", DI because "he is agressive and shit" and Acro because his constructed posts are constructed.

I don't see why everybody thinks Oats is town.

On August 09 2013 22:44 kushm4sta wrote:
I just wanna say also my town style is to do nothing until late game because I dont like wading through all the early game spam. I like to wait until a bunch of people die because it makes it easier to find scum and the game more pleasurable to play. Right now it's pretty much a crap shoot.

omg people are gonna say dude why dont you play small games then?

On August 09 2013 22:45 iamperfection wrote:

or he didnt run because he is scum it didnt want to be in the spotlight

i dont get the deal with gumshoe at all he seemed very interested in pms but totally mia

On August 09 2013 22:46 Koshi wrote:

No I don't see a resembles. Last game he pushed his scumread JAT on day 1. Pushed FT till he saw a townslip and then pushed JAT for the rest of the day. This day he gave 5 townreads?

Why are you defending Oats 24/7? Saying things like "I understand why Oats wants to kill Koshi after last game". I have not trolled in this game and I tried to enter this game with reads and serious play.

On August 09 2013 23:12 Koshi wrote:

I want to lynch Oats because he is clearly not playing like he should/can play. I don't understand why he is considered town in this game while he is at best a lurker.
Yamato was right, Oats was wrong. Yamato had to endure Oats his terrible questions just like me.
But Yamato is fitting the same profile as Oats at this point, however, people think Oats is town and Yamato is scum. Why is that? They interacted with each other in the first 6 hours of this game and then disappeared.

But I don't want to live in the past alone.
I want to add that in my eyes s0lstice is town and I do not see a reason why he is scum except for not picking DI. The only small thing that is strange is that he ran so convincingly for Lord and is now being pretty afk.
DI seems to be town as well. I was not aware of his town meta and I thought that DI trolling meant DI=scum. Him wanting to be Lord to kill Kush = Trolling.

I don't have scumreads yet on any of the big posters in this game and killing of people that don't participate in the game is probably a good idea. Clarity is a bit on my radar but that is based on associations and being a vassal of iamp but that's it.

On August 10 2013 02:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why are you posting that more than 48 hours until we have to vote Oberyn?
Seems like useless fluff to me.

On August 10 2013 04:44 Risen wrote:
Just to note, oats was at the top of my scum list earlier. You're far from the only one. Clarity has become even more scummy to me as he has posted more.

On August 10 2013 05:54 Acrofales wrote:
A pressing matter has arisen in the Reach. I must return there post-haste. I should be back in time for the formal vote, but if I am not, please record that I want to lynch jrkirby, whose few contributions do not seem compatible with loyalty to the realm. I should be back in plenty of time, so feel free to continue sending me ravens.

Remember my earlier speech. Please make sure to decide on a list of priorities for sending our swords after tonight, and each lord should publicize when he will send his swords in order to use them optimally.

I will be around for another 15 minutes or so, while my servants saddle my horse.

##vote jrkirby

On August 10 2013 06:02 Acrofales wrote:

He's a lurker who has contributed NOTHING, nor given any intention of contributing anything. Why do you think he's a loyalist? Who would you prefer we kill today?

My horse is ready. Adieu!

On August 10 2013 06:52 jrkirby wrote:
Also, Onegu is probably the biggest reason why we elected Oberyn, so if one of them is scum, there's a decent chance the other is scum too.

On August 10 2013 06:58 jrkirby wrote:


The first PM I got from onegu was that we should elect oberyn because he was experienced. I PM'd Oberyn a bunch before deciding to elect oberyn, but the campaign kinda started with onegu. Without the association though, this isn't inherently scummy in my opinion.

On August 11 2013 14:08 Chromatically wrote:
And how did Risen get elected?

On August 11 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote:

Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote.
Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone.

In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night.
Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum :
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni

Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had.

On August 11 2013 17:48 Grackaroni wrote:

I believe that there are townies besides lords with kp, one of them shot gumshoe because his only contributions to the thread were these 2 posts :


Why do you automatically assume it was mafia that killed him? From my POV I know that I'm town, and xatalos and iamperfection have both been very pro-town in thread. So my explanation is much more logical to me.

On August 11 2013 18:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
Why is it assumed scum can split their kp in the first place?

On August 11 2013 19:01 Xatalos wrote:
Clarity, I think grackaroni is town atm. He's also making sense in this discussion. He wouldn't be made Lord if gumshoe died. gumshoe was also playing for scum, even if he was town, so why would scum use their KP and not let him just hinder town (probably a mislynch or at least wasted KP)? Even if he was blue, which was unlikely, he would still almost certainly be of advantage to scum. I would never kill gumshoe as scum, especially if it meant putting myself at risk (like in grackaroni's case).

On August 11 2013 19:05 Oatsmaster wrote:

Why using setup speculation to defend yourself is bad?
Come on Ace.

On August 11 2013 20:37 Xatalos wrote:


The fact is that I was roleblocked. Why would I lie about that? So

1) Oberyn is lying (scum)
2) Onegu is lying (scum)
3) X is lying (scum)

If X flips town, we absolutely need to lynch Onegu or Oberyn.

On August 11 2013 21:40 Acrofales wrote:
First things first. I haven't read the minutes for the start of today's meeting yet, but I received some important information that I was asked to pass on to the other lords. It seems it is actually pertinent to everybody here. One of my vassals has a network of little birds, who have uncovered that Yamato is a Blackfyre pretender. I trust him and I trust his abilities.

##vote Yamato

On August 11 2013 20:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
Anyway...

let me just put it in one post to make it easier.

xata claims roleblocked
oberyn claims watcher and says he targeted xata, 2 visitors. He hasn't told us who, though.
onegu claims 1 shot medic on xata

Easy conclusion: xata lied about the roleblock or onegu is lying about the 1shot medic or the 2nd person who targeted xata is the roleblocker.

xata looks pretty town, no reason for him to lie and no reason for a town roleblocker to target him
Therefore either Onegu or the second person is scum

With how quickly onegu claimed 1shot medic I doubt he's scum trying to get a townie lynched before he dies.
Therefore whoever is left is scum. Oberyn if you did not fakeclaim you should just tell us who it is so we can lynch him

On August 11 2013 22:22 Oberyn wrote:


But wasn't yamato one of your scum reads prior?

On August 11 2013 22:33 Sharrant wrote:
Well, I wasn't quite expecting to be revealed so quickly.

I claimed my role to Acro last night (I'm a one shot alignment cop). I asked him who I should target with it, he said Kush and Yamato. Both players I had in mind originally. In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target Kush.

After I brought up framing he suggested that Kush might be too high profile, and that I should check Koshi or Ace. I think both of those are fairly legitimate suggestions. It seems less likely that Acro is mafia because he was suggesting more people to check that are in positions where a check would be very good.

An alternative is that Acro is mafia, and they have no framer like role, so he wanted to push me off a mafia Kush, but I find this unlikely.

At the end of the day you're left with a red check on Yamato, someone relatively out of the spotlight and not a likely choice for framers. And as I stated, his argumentative nature in this game is quite different from how it is when he's arguing as a town member.

On August 11 2013 22:37 Acrofales wrote:

I may be forced to use the too dumb to be Blackfyre line. Are you drunk?

While we're on the topic, how the flying fuck did the Starks think it was a good idea to elect you? I understand not electing Strongandbig again, but you are far from an improvement. Please explain the politics of Winterfell.

On August 11 2013 23:11 Ace wrote:


read his earlier conversations with me. Poor Starks, always have shit leaders.

On August 12 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wtf is with you guys? Why did you discuss the watcher situation?

On August 12 2013 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i would. You basically gave the only possible fakeclaim to mafia in case X is scum.

On August 12 2013 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

1) Yes, people are dumb
2) Even if they weren´t there is no reason to tell anyone what answers you are going to accept before they answer..

On August 12 2013 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was the point of outing the result of the HP check to everyone?

On August 12 2013 02:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Okay now we are getting somewhere. Why do you think Grackaroni outed the check result if you specifically asked his thoughts on what to do?

On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote:
We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town...

On August 11 2013 14:27 Grackaroni wrote:

you thought it was odd so I told you what was up. Shouldn't make a difference anyway

On August 11 2013 14:32 Grackaroni wrote:

you're right that was stupid.

On August 12 2013 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Here is your conclusion. iamperfection and Grackaroni are doing incredibly stupid stuff if they are town.
They are not working together in their house.
When they are being called out from their stupid stuff they say "my bad, it was dumb".

WHY THE FUCK DO TOWNIES DO STUPID STUFF WITHOUT THINKING FOR 5 MINUTES?
Right, for no reason..

On August 12 2013 02:39 Acrofales wrote:
EBWOP: jesus christ = By the seven!

On August 12 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: And after all this ridiculous stuff people are just letting this kinda stuff slip by because the guys said "my bad, it was stupid".

wtf is up with you? How are you going to find mafia if every scummy thing is gonna be brushed away by sinply saying "my bad, i was dumb"?

On August 12 2013 02:55 iamperfection wrote:

no the likeliest conclusion is that gum was shot by a town vig at the end of the night when he was still alive.

On August 12 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is your conclusion Clarity? Do you think someone in that house is mafia? Why / why not?

On August 12 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah you have said you think at least one of those guys are mafia. Now you are brushing this under the carpet. Why? Why don´t you want to figure out which one of those 3 is mafia?

On August 12 2013 03:23 kushm4sta wrote:
honestly im waiting for more people to die before I get into this game.
acro is my only scumread right now.
1- rolefishing?
he pmed me this

no idea what this even means lol

On August 12 2013 03:28 Acrofales wrote:

Explain to me how this is bad and I will tell you.

On August 12 2013 03:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
yamato, why the fuck are you not taking this game seriously?

On August 12 2013 03:46 Koshi wrote:
I am back. I had soccer and couldn't post till now. I tried to make posts on my phone but it kept saying "Bad Request". I don't know how to fix it. I tried closing my browser, shutting down phone, reconnecting to the internet. Nothing.

Only Gumshoe dieing is strange. I can't believe scum hitted him when they knew Lords were going to kill him. This leaves 2 options: Scum knew gum had only 1 hp left or there is an SK that wanted to hide in that kill (I tried that in Sicilian). If the first is true than there is a mole in the Lanister House. iamp saying that it is a vigi is just ridiculous, why would a vigi waste a shot on a target that is going to die anyway? I don't think grack+iamp is scum though, because if they were they should just have kept their mouths shut, and just kill one of their members to keep their House under control and nobody would even find out about the HP check.

Mr.X seems like a trustworthy person for Oberyn, otherwise I see no reason why Oberyn hasn't said his name yet. It's a bit unlucky that both Onegu and Mr.X visited Xatalos, otherwise people not dieing could be seen as a successful safe on Xatalos instead of one of the visitors must be scum.

Yamato red check is quite damning and should be enough evidence to get him lynched today. Yamato being either miller or being framed is unlikely. If this is the case then this is bad luck. Not lynching yamato is bad play.

On August 12 2013 05:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
I think factional KP is probably not sent by anybody.
It's like, magic and shit. zoom.

I bet the scumteam is all "I b a wizzzard" all the time
too bad they didn't manage to kill anybody.

On August 12 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:

it was factional in Needlessly Big Game too, and that's the only HP game I remember happening.
QED

On August 12 2013 05:50 yamato77 wrote:

If you don't appreciate my humor, you are free to just not read the thread.

On August 12 2013 12:08 Oberyn wrote:
##Vote yamato77

I haven't been around a computer all day, but I should be available most of tomorrow. The thread should be made aware that I am not a watcher and Onegu is not a 1-shot medic. It was probably a long shot, but I have received no information regarding the identity of the roleblocker. Carry on.

On August 12 2013 07:41 Chromatically wrote:

I did not. He wasn't doing anything and he was under pressure for it, so I assumed he would either a) shape up and not be a good shot anyway or b) not shape up and be scum.

Also:

If there's anything in particular you'd like to know, you can just ask. I don't want to just give out reads for no reason when we're not lynching them.

On August 12 2013 16:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ace has been insanely useless guys. He's scum.
Clarity, what do you think?

On August 12 2013 16:45 Oatsmaster wrote:

I totally dont agree with this.
Also I assume NMM8 didnt actually pm that much so rayn's analysis may not be that accurate.

On August 12 2013 16:52 Oatsmaster wrote:

not after like almost 2 pages.

I wanna kill him as fast as possible cause I know he is scum now. Why bother waiting?

On August 12 2013 17:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fucking vet shield.

On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure.

I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim.

On August 12 2013 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What Oberyn & Onegu did would be a good scum strategy aswell. The strange thing here is that noone claimed the roleblock on Xata. In any case (assuming O&O are town) that player kinda has to assume they are telling the truth (especially if that player is mafia), and basically HAS to claim JK. Assume you are mafia roleblocker and rb´d Xata. Two townies claim, do you assume the watcher has your name or would you take your chances with not claiming?

On August 12 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That´s the point. If i was town JK i would claim. If i was scum RB´r i would claim.
Unless i know the cake is a lie.

On August 12 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Ehh.. Why is that?

On August 12 2013 22:27 Acrofales wrote:

I never say that. I suggest you reread the notules of what I said. In my reply to you I am explaining how I think you're wrong about Blackfyres having balls of steel and go through the possibilities.

I never reached any conclusions, because we actually need some confirmation about which situation we're in: SnB or Vivax can still be the cause for Xatalos getting locked in, and there's a pretty good chance they are Blackfyre scum (one, or both). Lord knows what their profession is, but it's possible one is a jailer.

What I absolutely DON'T think is that we can just conclude Oberyn and Onegu are loyal from this, because it seems farfetched that IF Xatalos was locked in by a Blackfyre and they did not know about the plot, I believe they 100% WOULD have claimed.

On August 12 2013 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Onegu why are you lying? Or Clarity?

On August 12 2013 22:44 Acrofales wrote:

Well, when people make weird claims I am pretty good at calling them out on it, but this one-two went right by me. I briefly considered the possibility with both being a Martell, but was quick to conclude it was just a coincidence. Watching Xatalos is not very farfetched, and the clame timing makes sense as well: he watched someone get locked up at home. Not as damning as watching a kill happen, but has a good chance of flushing out Blackfyres.

So the claim made sense.

A Blackfyre reaching this conclusion and deciding to gamble his life on Oberyn not knowing his name seems really unlikely. I don't see how you can think otherwise.

On August 12 2013 22:50 iamperfection wrote:

listen you retard how the fuck would the vigi know that gum had 1 hp

On August 12 2013 23:12 Oatsmaster wrote:

So lets ask other dudes.

Before Acro claimed the red check on Yamato, who thought that Sharrant was cop?

On August 12 2013 22:55 Acrofales wrote:
@Oberyn: I probably should have waited with revealing the detective's information, but I saw the PM urging me to talk to the other lords and saw no point in just telling the lords, so I told the general populace. Waiting may have revealed some associative tells from Yamato and may have been the better course of action. Your kinsman has not been taking our meeting seriously since its very start, though, so I don't think we missed out on much.

On August 12 2013 23:19 iamperfection wrote:
through pms im 95% sure that oats is town

On August 12 2013 23:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
What clarity? All that says is that Acro just claimed the check. NOT WHY. FUCK READING GUYS.

On August 12 2013 23:34 Oberyn wrote:


The check/trolling of the thread.

On August 12 2013 23:53 Acrofales wrote:
@Clarity: what do you think about SnB?

On August 13 2013 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:

I dont understand what you are saying.

On August 13 2013 01:29 Risen wrote:
No need to ask, just do. It's looks scummy to me when people don't appear confident.

On August 13 2013 02:18 Risen wrote:
Really though my number one scum read right now is Rayn.

On August 13 2013 01:31 Risen wrote:
Shit. Rayne is scum.

On August 13 2013 02:25 Risen wrote:


It's not a read.

On August 13 2013 02:18 Risen wrote:
Really though my number one scum read right now is Rayn.

On August 13 2013 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why?

On August 13 2013 05:59 Xatalos wrote:


That's not entirely true. In my latest scumgame I used our roleblocks on myself repeatedly to give me more towncred even though I was already a generally accepted townread. You should go read my scumgames. I rarely get suspected as scum.

On August 13 2013 06:10 Risen wrote:
Previous post was made prior to seeing clarity's.

If shar isn't the nk then he should absolutely be the lynch tomorrow barring something unusual during the night. What is one thing sharr has done this entire game beyond giving us yamato?

On August 13 2013 06:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
YOU CAUGHT ME IM STILL HERE

Erm.. He spammed. his filter was like 45 pages or something.
He theorized about conspiracy's (like this game)
He focused on little inconsistencies even if they are explained somewhere in the thread (like this game)
He asked peoples opinion on stuff without giving his own (like this game)

He's town or he emulates his townplay extremely well as scum.