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Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
August 09 2013 19:13 GMT
#1341
On August 10 2013 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 04:01 Oberyn wrote:
On August 10 2013 03:14 Oberyn wrote:
Does anyone disagree with the Lords splitting the house kp between 2 targets with 3 kp a piece?


I disagree with this actually. I think it might have been mentioned elsewhere, but I forgot about it. It is probably better to shoot the same player in order until they flip, then move on to the next player on the list.

Does anyone disagree with this?

No I agree with that completely.


I feel like I don't really have an understanding of what your reads are. I'd really like to see some sort of list post from you or something. Or at least a couple suggestions who to shoot. Have you tried to push sol further in pms?
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 09 2013 19:14 GMT
#1342
On August 10 2013 03:56 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 01:56 Koshi wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
I do believe Koshi needs a good old lynchin'

If you don't want to listen to the 5000 arguments I made already, you may also look for an activity comparison between his town and non-town games.

In all his town games, he is at least twice as active by this point of the game on post numbers alone, and here his activity is even skewed heavily since half his posts are merely him defending.

lol bullshit. I posted a lot in the Titanic game, but I didn't post a lot in the I swear 2 game in which I had 4 pages. I learned in the Titanic game that posting a lot is not really good for me as town. You can ask the people who were in there how it worked out. Also, in the titanic game my first day was just posting lists till it was lynchtime.

You were in the TL+ Mafia game, right? I was coaching scum in that atrocity of a game and I seem to recall you as one of the few highlights of town, but the whole game was full of lurk. EVERYBODY's activity was way below acceptable. I don't see how you can have played in that game and then decided that being inactive is a good idea.

If that wasn't you, then disregard. My TL+ ran out and I don't feel like paying just to make sure

Yep, but that game was so bad... I might have been a town highlight because I posted something unlike 90% of the people. :D That was my first game ever actually. Or should I say "game".
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 09 2013 19:15 GMT
#1343
Fuck, Oberyn had the best idea of the century!
table for two on a tv tray
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18275 Posts
August 09 2013 19:17 GMT
#1344
On August 10 2013 02:07 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:48 s0Lstice wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:35 s0Lstice wrote:
go ahead and tell me what you think of johnnywup claiming a town name to Acro in PMs without prompting while you're at it Rayn.

What do you mean by town name?

Also how am i wrong on you? That´s exactly what i read from your post.


From what acro says, he claimed his role name because he thought it would look townie I.e. he has a town name. Why does he do that as scum? Or better, is it likely he does that as scum?

In regards to your paragraph on me, I never said dandel would do good things with the lordship as town. He was talking about shooting kush with our kp, and I argued that it should be used on a scumread if possible. I said I would do better. I have also said I am thinking dandel is town in the thread during this clusterfuck. I said it in pms too, my other house members will verify.

It´s not alignment indicative as the role names are not alignment indicative. What if he is mafia and some role name that´s "town" in the lore and decided to claim it to look town? It´s all WIFOM and there is nothing alignment indicative in his claim. Or if there is, feel free to tell me why that claim could possibly not come from mafia.

Fair enough. I was wrong in the "good things" part. I assumed you meant that when you said you would elect Dandel when you are 100% sure he is town. Why would you then elect someone who STILL does not do good things over yourself? I know you have said you think Dandel is town, are you 100% sure he is? Because from what i read from your post you would be if he was the lord now.


Yes role names are not alignment indicative. I wasn't saying they were. The point is johnny thought they were, otherwise why claim it at all? As scum, claim role name to appear town. As town, claim role name to appear town. Now which of these is more likely with the way it went down. 'Sup veteran Lord candidate, I'm X.' Does he do this as scum?


Honestly, I did not find his introducing himself immediately becoming of a loyalist, and I told him so. It's his subsequent activity, and him dealing with it, both in the confines of Highgarden and here in our public hall that I feel is indicative of his loyalist intentions.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 09 2013 19:17 GMT
#1345
On August 10 2013 04:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck, Oberyn had the best idea of the century!


That's actually my idea
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 09 2013 19:20 GMT
#1346
On August 10 2013 04:17 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 04:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck, Oberyn had the best idea of the century!


That's actually my idea

Sorry, i missed your post. :E

But taht´s definitely the best idea for house KP.
table for two on a tv tray
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
August 09 2013 19:22 GMT
#1347
Sorry I've been pretty busy today, tomorrow should be better activity-wise. I will be here for the lynch.

I agree with coordinating KP to shoot lurkers, particularly the plan where we set up an order to shoot in so that we don't waste KP. Tofu would be my preferred shot right now, as he's a total lurker other than a very small contribution with Acro's opening post (something that I disagree with).

As far as the lynch goes, I'm still working on Solstice. Not sure yet. If not, I'd like Grack or Koshi, maybe Kirby or Onegu as a lynch today.

Grack had the really bad opening post, and I don't like how he just made up excuses for Sol.
On August 09 2013 18:50 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm willing to forgive s0Lstice's choosing chromatically over Di because he was obviously caught up in an EPEEN measuring contest with DI and I think judging from both Koshi and s0Lstice's reactions to DI, DI was being obnoxious and it made him act irrationally. (not choose DI out of spite, justify it to himself with the possible waste of house power for nothing)

Sol has repeated his thought process several times, and no part of it was ever that he was irrationally mad at DI. If Grack actually thought that this was Sol's reasoning, then he had to consider that Sol was lying, which is a whole other problem that shouldn't result in a town read. I can't see a reason for Grack to totally ignore Sol's explanation and make up his own if he's honestly trying to figure out Sol's alignment.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18275 Posts
August 09 2013 19:27 GMT
#1348
On August 10 2013 03:06 iamperfection wrote:
but the perfect one thanks you for participating in this exercise i hope to see more from you going forward

What the hell was that about? He answered your question just fine. Are you just trolling?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
August 09 2013 19:27 GMT
#1349
On August 10 2013 04:22 Chromatically wrote:
Sorry I've been pretty busy today, tomorrow should be better activity-wise. I will be here for the lynch.

I agree with coordinating KP to shoot lurkers, particularly the plan where we set up an order to shoot in so that we don't waste KP. Tofu would be my preferred shot right now, as he's a total lurker other than a very small contribution with Acro's opening post (something that I disagree with).

As far as the lynch goes, I'm still working on Solstice. Not sure yet. If not, I'd like Grack or Koshi, maybe Kirby or Onegu as a lynch today.

Grack had the really bad opening post, and I don't like how he just made up excuses for Sol.
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 18:50 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm willing to forgive s0Lstice's choosing chromatically over Di because he was obviously caught up in an EPEEN measuring contest with DI and I think judging from both Koshi and s0Lstice's reactions to DI, DI was being obnoxious and it made him act irrationally. (not choose DI out of spite, justify it to himself with the possible waste of house power for nothing)

Sol has repeated his thought process several times, and no part of it was ever that he was irrationally mad at DI. If Grack actually thought that this was Sol's reasoning, then he had to consider that Sol was lying, which is a whole other problem that shouldn't result in a town read. I can't see a reason for Grack to totally ignore Sol's explanation and make up his own if he's honestly trying to figure out Sol's alignment.

meh it seems like something I would do. DI described s0lstice as getting into a hissy. I've determined from the posts that DI was likely being rather obnoxious n0. Also I didn't say it was a town read, null read, just don't blame him for not voting DI.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 09 2013 19:28 GMT
#1350
On August 10 2013 04:27 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 03:06 iamperfection wrote:
but the perfect one thanks you for participating in this exercise i hope to see more from you going forward

What the hell was that about? He answered your question just fine. Are you just trolling?

wat
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 09 2013 19:28 GMT
#1351
Okay. I want to lynch:
##Vote: Onegu
For reasons i have mentioned.
I know Oberyn is going to disagree with this. I feel Onegu is more likely to be mafia than solstice, solstice is at least giving us something to work with. I am willing to consider solstice/johnnywup/FirmTofu if necessary, but i like Onegu as the best lynch.
table for two on a tv tray
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18275 Posts
August 09 2013 19:29 GMT
#1352
On August 10 2013 04:14 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 03:56 Acrofales wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:56 Koshi wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
I do believe Koshi needs a good old lynchin'

If you don't want to listen to the 5000 arguments I made already, you may also look for an activity comparison between his town and non-town games.

In all his town games, he is at least twice as active by this point of the game on post numbers alone, and here his activity is even skewed heavily since half his posts are merely him defending.

lol bullshit. I posted a lot in the Titanic game, but I didn't post a lot in the I swear 2 game in which I had 4 pages. I learned in the Titanic game that posting a lot is not really good for me as town. You can ask the people who were in there how it worked out. Also, in the titanic game my first day was just posting lists till it was lynchtime.

You were in the TL+ Mafia game, right? I was coaching scum in that atrocity of a game and I seem to recall you as one of the few highlights of town, but the whole game was full of lurk. EVERYBODY's activity was way below acceptable. I don't see how you can have played in that game and then decided that being inactive is a good idea.

If that wasn't you, then disregard. My TL+ ran out and I don't feel like paying just to make sure

Yep, but that game was so bad... I might have been a town highlight because I posted something unlike 90% of the people. :D That was my first game ever actually. Or should I say "game".

Well, my dear sir, that was exactly my point. I may have had a waking dream in which arcane knowledge of things called TL+ came to me, but the point stands. You were inactive in that jousting tournament. So was everybody else. It ended in a draw due to utter apathy from both teams. How can you think that being inactive benefits a game, which was the argument you made based on your activity in Titanic?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18275 Posts
August 09 2013 19:32 GMT
#1353
On August 10 2013 04:28 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 04:27 Acrofales wrote:
On August 10 2013 03:06 iamperfection wrote:
but the perfect one thanks you for participating in this exercise i hope to see more from you going forward

What the hell was that about? He answered your question just fine. Are you just trolling?

wat

What indeed. Maybe you explained it later, I have not yet gone through the latest pages of notules, but you challenged my vassal to a duel, including the use of your House swords. He accepted the challenge, and then you told him he "preempted" some later question in your little duel game and you quit in disgust.

What was it about? Were you just leading him on for no good reason? Why did you challenge him?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18275 Posts
August 09 2013 19:34 GMT
#1354
Xatalos, why do you keep insinuating I am Blackfyre scum without giving any kind of reason other than that I *should be better*? You leveled this exact same argument against me in our previous encounter and were INCREDIBLY wrong. Why have you not learned to understand my thought process yet, after SO many encounters?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 09 2013 19:35 GMT
#1355
On August 10 2013 04:32 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 04:28 iamperfection wrote:
On August 10 2013 04:27 Acrofales wrote:
On August 10 2013 03:06 iamperfection wrote:
but the perfect one thanks you for participating in this exercise i hope to see more from you going forward

What the hell was that about? He answered your question just fine. Are you just trolling?

wat

What indeed. Maybe you explained it later, I have not yet gone through the latest pages of notules, but you challenged my vassal to a duel, including the use of your House swords. He accepted the challenge, and then you told him he "preempted" some later question in your little duel game and you quit in disgust.

What was it about? Were you just leading him on for no good reason? Why did you challenge him?

no he solved my challenge by being able to recite the major headlines. he just disturbed my fun. Read the thread bro
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 09 2013 19:37 GMT
#1356
On August 10 2013 04:13 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 04:11 Koshi wrote:
On August 10 2013 04:01 Oberyn wrote:
On August 10 2013 03:14 Oberyn wrote:
Does anyone disagree with the Lords splitting the house kp between 2 targets with 3 kp a piece?


I disagree with this actually. I think it might have been mentioned elsewhere, but I forgot about it. It is probably better to shoot the same player in order until they flip, then move on to the next player on the list.

Does anyone disagree with this?

No I agree with that completely.


I feel like I don't really have an understanding of what your reads are. I'd really like to see some sort of list post from you or something. Or at least a couple suggestions who to shoot. Have you tried to push sol further in pms?



Player List:

1) Oatsmaster
Has given 6 townreads now, I was the last on because 'too dick and shit'. Nobody else finds him scummy but if I had the power I would shoot him.
8) s0lstice
A townread of mine. He keeps playing a calm game and doesn't try to escalate things in PMs. The only reason he is considered scum is because Chroma is tunneling him 24/7 and DandelIon is tunneling me while also saying s0lstice is scum. If it weren't for those 2 I am sure people would see s0lstice completely different.
10) Chromatically
Probably busy in PM land because he isn't doing too much in the thread except for tunneling s0lstice for voting him over Dandel. Which shouldn't be a crime but seen as common sense if you received PMs from DI.
11) Clarity_nl
I don't like Clarity softdefending Oats and DI. Clarity started by making a lot of useless post in the start but picked it up in his last 2 filter pages.
15) raynpelikoneet
Best player atm.
18) johnnywup
Started really strange with the 3P stuff and calling out Robert Baratheon. Didn't redeem himself after that. I would actually shoot this guy as well.
20) strongandbig
Started this game completely different than Sicilian and is therefore town in my book. Scumhunted after Clarity but I don't understand why he isn't going after Oats. It was Oats who said that there were no scum in their house, Clarity told Oats SnB his plan, so I don't understand why he only went after Clarity and not Oats.
24) Risen
I agreed with his opening post at the moment he made it. At least not afraid to call things out how they are, and not using "meta" to give everybody that is suspicious a townread.
_______________________
I left out the inactives that could obviously also use a bullet to the brain. 0 posters should be replaced instead of killed though.
I had a good night of sleep.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
August 09 2013 19:38 GMT
#1357
On August 10 2013 04:27 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 04:22 Chromatically wrote:
Sorry I've been pretty busy today, tomorrow should be better activity-wise. I will be here for the lynch.

I agree with coordinating KP to shoot lurkers, particularly the plan where we set up an order to shoot in so that we don't waste KP. Tofu would be my preferred shot right now, as he's a total lurker other than a very small contribution with Acro's opening post (something that I disagree with).

As far as the lynch goes, I'm still working on Solstice. Not sure yet. If not, I'd like Grack or Koshi, maybe Kirby or Onegu as a lynch today.

Grack had the really bad opening post, and I don't like how he just made up excuses for Sol.
On August 09 2013 18:50 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm willing to forgive s0Lstice's choosing chromatically over Di because he was obviously caught up in an EPEEN measuring contest with DI and I think judging from both Koshi and s0Lstice's reactions to DI, DI was being obnoxious and it made him act irrationally. (not choose DI out of spite, justify it to himself with the possible waste of house power for nothing)

Sol has repeated his thought process several times, and no part of it was ever that he was irrationally mad at DI. If Grack actually thought that this was Sol's reasoning, then he had to consider that Sol was lying, which is a whole other problem that shouldn't result in a town read. I can't see a reason for Grack to totally ignore Sol's explanation and make up his own if he's honestly trying to figure out Sol's alignment.

meh it seems like something I would do. DI described s0lstice as getting into a hissy. I've determined from the posts that DI was likely being rather obnoxious n0. Also I didn't say it was a town read, null read, just don't blame him for not voting DI.

Sol has made it clear what his reasons were for not voting DI. Why would you invent your own reasons instead of using the ones that Sol actually used? What would your read on Sol be if you were using his stated reasons?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18275 Posts
August 09 2013 19:38 GMT
#1358
On August 10 2013 03:15 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 03:14 Sharrant wrote:
I don't think Acrofales has ever had any intention of using the house health check.


Acro told me that he informed you that he intended to use his hp check and hadn't heard back.

I had heard back. By the seven, no wonder everybody thinks I'm a Blackfyre if they can't even remember what I have repeatedly said, both in private and in public.

I didn't INTEND to use the KP, I THOUGHT there was a good use for it. You are all utter morons.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 09 2013 19:39 GMT
#1359
On August 10 2013 04:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. I want to lynch:
##Vote: Onegu
For reasons i have mentioned.
I know Oberyn is going to disagree with this. I feel Onegu is more likely to be mafia than solstice, solstice is at least giving us something to work with. I am willing to consider solstice/johnnywup/FirmTofu if necessary, but i like Onegu as the best lynch.


Do you think Onegu's play here is diifferent from his play in NWM? His "scapegoat" post and "befriending" post feel like the same genuine, although maybe suboptimal, stuff as in NWM.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 09 2013 19:39 GMT
#1360
And now I see that Chroma is also fine with killing me. Chroma and DI are just playing the same game but have chosen another member in the house to tunnel / FoS...
I had a good night of sleep.
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