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On August 10 2013 01:18 Sharrant wrote:
I was briefly around yesterday, so I concentrated on PMs with Acro while I was reading the thread. I have not PM'ed anyone in quite some time as I have not been around. I should be here on and off up until the deadline.
There's been some talk of killing Kush. Kush and I have talked very little, but his attitude struck me as matching his town meta to a T. Obviously I can't quote the pm, but he openly admitted to being completely clueless about how teh game is operating/what had happened within our house during n0, while still having a big attitude about it.
I'm conflicted on this, because on one hand in smurf I could easily tell he was town, and pretty much everyone else could. But on the other hand he still got mislynched at LyLo and did not contribue meaningfully to the game.
I don't want him alive at LyLo again, but he is very likely town. I've been playing with Kush since my first game on TL, and I think I've gotten him right about 80% of the time. That said, I understand and even sympathize with wanting to kill him at this point. But I personally can't do so because I am relatively sure he's town, and town is town regardless of whether they're playing poorly or not. The only thing giving me any doubt is this: Does anyone know if Kush uses the term 'fag' or 'fags' at all?
I'm not confident enough to name anyone as scum until I've read the thread a few more times. Most of the big incidents in the thread are cookie cutter from other games I've played. Rayne twisting words around was exactly what he did to me until we both figured each other out as town in the last game we played. Oatsmaster and Yamato's fight earlier was also cookie cutter from the last game I was in with them, however a few things stuck out to me as different about both of them in this case. I will be starting to read through their exchange again. Does anyone else have specific things they think I should read or that they want opinions on?
I actually kinda like this explanation for kush being town.
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On August 09 2013 23:37 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 23:23 Xatalos wrote:
Just a notice that I'll be relying on my phone (and its battery) for about 2 days so my activity will drop a bit during this time.
s0Lstice, would you act like you did during N0 again in retrospect? Who do you think should be Lord at N1 in your House? If there is one takeaway from my explanation that you should be getting, it's that I think I'm in the right here. Yes, I would do the same thing again despite this retarded flack I'm getting. Wait and see who I vote N1. This information will be made known to you later. For now, know that I have a pretty good idea of who I'm voting.
I can't understand why you would refuse to vote your townread and choose someone null/AFK over him. If DI was your townread, that means he almost completely certainly also was town, because he's a blatant scum as scum. There's just no sense in choosing somewhat likely scum over almost impossible scum as Lord. How can you disagree?
What do you think of Dandel Ion now? What about Chromatically? Or Koshi?
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Okay, we need to start deciding stuff soon.
iamp, i am okay with your proposed shot. Lord KP should be used to vig lurkers, at least on N1.
How many of the lords do we want to vig a single target? 2? more? For me 2 seems fine.
As for lynch targets, so far i think:
Solstice - I called his thought process fishy earlier. This is what i meant. Solstice does not want Dandel to be a lord. He says, when Dandel is town, he probably does good stuff as a lord. When he is scum, he will most likely out himself. Then he doesn´t want to elect Dandel, because he can´t be sure if he is town. I don´t like that, at all. By Solstice´s thinking, he should definitely elect Dandel and noone else. It will give him a near 100% read on Dandel, as he himself said. Why does he not want to immediately figure out Dandel´s alignment? Later on he says that "Dandel will out him either way". Has he? I see no mention of Dandel´s alignment by Solstice after that.
johnnywup - There are two things why i think johnnywup is mafia. The first one is his overly defensive stance on his 3p thing. When being questioned about that in thread, his first comment is "other people did not find that scummy". That´s really going overboard if you are town, why would you be more interested to tell people that other people did not find you scummy rather than if they thought you were right or wrong and how did you end up in the conclusion? Another thing that stands out is johnnywup´s house member list. In itself list posts are bad, but this is worse. He hasn´t even put a single bit off thought into the lise (notice him not realizing in which house Vivax/Gumshoe are). Scummy as fuck.
Onegu - Onegu has not done anything. Lika anything at all. If you look at his posts he is entering rendom discussions for what? To have nothing to say. Look at when he tells he has already given his thoughts about Solstice & Clarity. His conclusion on Solstice is "we need to hear from him". Right. On Clarity he redacted from his town read because he was not willing find out about role names. So his whole discussion & conclusion is worthless. Now he is trying to figure out FirmTofu. Nothing on that front. scum.
Vigi list:
Sharrant
gumshoe
yamato77
jrkirby
Nachomamma8
kushm4sta
For the record, noone in my house has had any contact with me on D1. I have been PMing the other lords all the time i have been online, and i would expect if they have something to ask, they will. I am not going to try to do everything and i have had pretty much nothing to say to them. So FT/Risen/nachodude if you got something to ask or something you want to discuss feel free to PM me.
Vivax, when i asked you about my scumreads, why didn´t you answer me and asked me about someone else instead?
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On August 10 2013 01:23 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 23:37 s0Lstice wrote:On August 09 2013 23:23 Xatalos wrote:
Just a notice that I'll be relying on my phone (and its battery) for about 2 days so my activity will drop a bit during this time.
s0Lstice, would you act like you did during N0 again in retrospect? Who do you think should be Lord at N1 in your House? If there is one takeaway from my explanation that you should be getting, it's that I think I'm in the right here. Yes, I would do the same thing again despite this retarded flack I'm getting. Wait and see who I vote N1. This information will be made known to you later. For now, know that I have a pretty good idea of who I'm voting. I can't understand why you would refuse to vote your townread and choose someone null/AFK over him. If DI was your townread, that means he almost completely certainly also was town, because he's a blatant scum as scum. There's just no sense in choosing somewhat likely scum over almost impossible scum as Lord. How can you disagree? What do you think of Dandel Ion now? What about Chromatically? Or Koshi?
Dandel is definitely town. Chromatically will depend on how his reads adjust as the game goes on. As I said earlier, I really didn't like how he clung to our whole argument seemingly without adopting any new information, especially when it came at the expense of doing anything else in thread as far as I can tell. He's asked me some good questions though that give me an impression he is trying to figure things out. I want to see which of those gives way. Koshi still looks scummy to me. I just got done talking him out of his big dead red scum read in PMs (Oats) with like 2 lines of text. There's times like this where he really just lacks conviction that makes me think his reads are a pretext.
It's obvious you can't understand my reasons for doing what I did. I'm not going to explain them again. It makes me nervous about you when you ask me the same question over and over expecting a different answer. What matters is if you think that I think that it was the best course for our house and town. If you think that, then whether it was right or wrong in your eyes is irrelevant.
Also, I'm asking you this again, tell me why I called Dandel town in my pursuit of the lordship, in essence undercutting my own run, if this was some big scum plot by me to discredit him and take the role for myself.
To the lords, how has Chrom been in PMs?
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On August 10 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, we need to start deciding stuff soon.
iamp, i am okay with your proposed shot. Lord KP should be used to vig lurkers, at least on N1.
How many of the lords do we want to vig a single target? 2? more? For me 2 seems fine.
As for lynch targets, so far i think:
Solstice - I called his thought process fishy earlier. This is what i meant. Solstice does not want Dandel to be a lord. He says, when Dandel is town, he probably does good stuff as a lord. When he is scum, he will most likely out himself. Then he doesn´t want to elect Dandel, because he can´t be sure if he is town. I don´t like that, at all. By Solstice´s thinking, he should definitely elect Dandel and noone else. It will give him a near 100% read on Dandel, as he himself said. Why does he not want to immediately figure out Dandel´s alignment? Later on he says that "Dandel will out him either way". Has he? I see no mention of Dandel´s alignment by Solstice after that.
johnnywup - There are two things why i think johnnywup is mafia. The first one is his overly defensive stance on his 3p thing. When being questioned about that in thread, his first comment is "other people did not find that scummy". That´s really going overboard if you are town, why would you be more interested to tell people that other people did not find you scummy rather than if they thought you were right or wrong and how did you end up in the conclusion? Another thing that stands out is johnnywup´s house member list. In itself list posts are bad, but this is worse. He hasn´t even put a single bit off thought into the lise (notice him not realizing in which house Vivax/Gumshoe are). Scummy as fuck.
Onegu - Onegu has not done anything. Lika anything at all. If you look at his posts he is entering rendom discussions for what? To have nothing to say. Look at when he tells he has already given his thoughts about Solstice & Clarity. His conclusion on Solstice is "we need to hear from him". Right. On Clarity he redacted from his town read because he was not willing find out about role names. So his whole discussion & conclusion is worthless. Now he is trying to figure out FirmTofu. Nothing on that front. scum.
Vigi list:
Sharrant
gumshoe
yamato77
jrkirby
Nachomamma8
kushm4sta
For the record, noone in my house has had any contact with me on D1. I have been PMing the other lords all the time i have been online, and i would expect if they have something to ask, they will. I am not going to try to do everything and i have had pretty much nothing to say to them. So FT/Risen/nachodude if you got something to ask or something you want to discuss feel free to PM me.
Vivax, when i asked you about my scumreads, why didn´t you answer me and asked me about someone else instead?
your whole paragraph on me is wrong. what are you doing Rayn?
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go ahead and tell me what you think of johnnywup claiming a town name to Acro in PMs without prompting while you're at it Rayn.
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On August 10 2013 01:19 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:18 Sharrant wrote:
I'm not confident enough to name anyone as scum until I've read the thread a few more times. Does this infer that you have indeed read the thread at least once?
Yes. I have read the thread fully.
On August 10 2013 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
What exactly is kush's town meta Sharrant?
Quite simply he would not so brazenly admit to a position of weakness/poor play while still having so much attitude/such a joking tone. He has never learned to emulate this as mafia. He has learned that he has obvious tells, and he has corrected many of those, but this is something that has been consistent in his play since the first game we played. He's still very uncomfortable about a few things, and this is one of them. As mentioned before, the only thing that seemed out of place is his use of the word fags. That's the only thing giving me even a moments consideration, as it's not something I particularly remember him saying before.
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On August 10 2013 01:35 s0Lstice wrote:
go ahead and tell me what you think of johnnywup claiming a town name to Acro in PMs without prompting while you're at it Rayn.
What do you mean by town name?
Also how am i wrong on you? That´s exactly what i read from your post.
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On August 10 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:35 s0Lstice wrote:
go ahead and tell me what you think of johnnywup claiming a town name to Acro in PMs without prompting while you're at it Rayn. What do you mean by town name? Also how am i wrong on you? That´s exactly what i read from your post.
From what acro says, he claimed his role name because he thought it would look townie I.e. he has a town name. Why does he do that as scum? Or better, is it likely he does that as scum?
In regards to your paragraph on me, I never said dandel would do good things with the lordship as town. He was talking about shooting kush with our kp, and I argued that it should be used on a scumread if possible. I said I would do better. I have also said I am thinking dandel is town in the thread during this clusterfuck. I said it in pms too, my other house members will verify.
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Austria17960 Posts
I do believe Koshi needs a good old lynchin'
If you don't want to listen to the 5000 arguments I made already, you may also look for an activity comparison between his town and non-town games.
In all his town games, he is at least twice as active by this point of the game on post numbers alone, and here his activity is even skewed heavily since half his posts are merely him defending.
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On August 10 2013 01:31 s0Lstice wrote: Koshi still looks scummy to me. I just got done talking him out of his big dead red scum read in PMs (Oats) with like 2 lines of text. There's times like this where he really just lacks conviction that makes me think his reads are a pretext.
Everybody thinks Oats is town and tells me that with 2 lines of text. I gave up on Oats.
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On August 10 2013 01:48 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 10 2013 01:35 s0Lstice wrote:
go ahead and tell me what you think of johnnywup claiming a town name to Acro in PMs without prompting while you're at it Rayn. What do you mean by town name? Also how am i wrong on you? That´s exactly what i read from your post. From what acro says, he claimed his role name because he thought it would look townie I.e. he has a town name. Why does he do that as scum? Or better, is it likely he does that as scum? In regards to your paragraph on me, I never said dandel would do good things with the lordship as town. He was talking about shooting kush with our kp, and I argued that it should be used on a scumread if possible. I said I would do better. I have also said I am thinking dandel is town in the thread during this clusterfuck. I said it in pms too, my other house members will verify.
It´s not alignment indicative as the role names are not alignment indicative. What if he is mafia and some role name that´s "town" in the lore and decided to claim it to look town? It´s all WIFOM and there is nothing alignment indicative in his claim. Or if there is, feel free to tell me why that claim could possibly not come from mafia.
Fair enough. I was wrong in the "good things" part. I assumed you meant that when you said you would elect Dandel when you are 100% sure he is town. Why would you then elect someone who STILL does not do good things over yourself? I know you have said you think Dandel is town, are you 100% sure he is? Because from what i read from your post you would be if he was the lord now.
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On August 10 2013 01:31 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:23 Xatalos wrote:On August 09 2013 23:37 s0Lstice wrote:On August 09 2013 23:23 Xatalos wrote:
Just a notice that I'll be relying on my phone (and its battery) for about 2 days so my activity will drop a bit during this time.
s0Lstice, would you act like you did during N0 again in retrospect? Who do you think should be Lord at N1 in your House? If there is one takeaway from my explanation that you should be getting, it's that I think I'm in the right here. Yes, I would do the same thing again despite this retarded flack I'm getting. Wait and see who I vote N1. This information will be made known to you later. For now, know that I have a pretty good idea of who I'm voting. I can't understand why you would refuse to vote your townread and choose someone null/AFK over him. If DI was your townread, that means he almost completely certainly also was town, because he's a blatant scum as scum. There's just no sense in choosing somewhat likely scum over almost impossible scum as Lord. How can you disagree? What do you think of Dandel Ion now? What about Chromatically? Or Koshi? Dandel is definitely town. Chromatically will depend on how his reads adjust as the game goes on. As I said earlier, I really didn't like how he clung to our whole argument seemingly without adopting any new information, especially when it came at the expense of doing anything else in thread as far as I can tell. He's asked me some good questions though that give me an impression he is trying to figure things out. I want to see which of those gives way. Koshi still looks scummy to me. I just got done talking him out of his big dead red scum read in PMs (Oats) with like 2 lines of text. There's times like this where he really just lacks conviction that makes me think his reads are a pretext. It's obvious you can't understand my reasons for doing what I did. I'm not going to explain them again. It makes me nervous about you when you ask me the same question over and over expecting a different answer. What matters is if you think that I think that it was the best course for our house and town. If you think that, then whether it was right or wrong in your eyes is irrelevant. Also, I'm asking you this again, tell me why I called Dandel town in my pursuit of the lordship, in essence undercutting my own run, if this was some big scum plot by me to discredit him and take the role for myself. To the lords, how has Chrom been in PMs?
I take it you are familiar with DI's meta. That means his alignment would (or at least should) be obvious to you pretty soon. That's why you certainly can't say that he's scummy as either alignment. Having him as a town read is pretty much forced on you even as scum. Your town read on him doesn't really say much about you.
The problem is that despite your town read, you refused to vote for him for very weak reasons. I have a very hard time seeing how you'd do this as town. I have had moments where I have considered you being town, but I always come back to your N0 actions. It points too strongly to scum to disregard it as simply bad play.
I like your "sidenote" about Koshi though. That seems like something town would say rather than scum.
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Austria17960 Posts
koshi doesn't respond to meta argument in 5 minutes, confirmed scum.
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Austria17960 Posts
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On August 10 2013 01:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
I do believe Koshi needs a good old lynchin'
If you don't want to listen to the 5000 arguments I made already, you may also look for an activity comparison between his town and non-town games.
In all his town games, he is at least twice as active by this point of the game on post numbers alone, and here his activity is even skewed heavily since half his posts are merely him defending.
lol bullshit. I posted a lot in the Titanic game, but I didn't post a lot in the I swear 2 game in which I had 4 pages. I learned in the Titanic game that posting a lot is not really good for me as town. You can ask the people who were in there how it worked out. Also, in the titanic game my first day was just posting lists till it was lynchtime.
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Austria17960 Posts
On August 10 2013 01:56 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
I do believe Koshi needs a good old lynchin'
If you don't want to listen to the 5000 arguments I made already, you may also look for an activity comparison between his town and non-town games.
In all his town games, he is at least twice as active by this point of the game on post numbers alone, and here his activity is even skewed heavily since half his posts are merely him defending. lol bullshit. I posted a lot in the Titanic game, but I didn't post a lot in the I swear 2 game in which I had 4 pages. I learned in the Titanic game that posting a lot is not really good for me as town. You can ask the people who were in there how it worked out. Also, in the titanic game my first day was just posting lists till it was lynchtime.
XLIV
gg
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On August 10 2013 01:57 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:56 Koshi wrote:On August 10 2013 01:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
I do believe Koshi needs a good old lynchin'
If you don't want to listen to the 5000 arguments I made already, you may also look for an activity comparison between his town and non-town games.
In all his town games, he is at least twice as active by this point of the game on post numbers alone, and here his activity is even skewed heavily since half his posts are merely him defending. lol bullshit. I posted a lot in the Titanic game, but I didn't post a lot in the I swear 2 game in which I had 4 pages. I learned in the Titanic game that posting a lot is not really good for me as town. You can ask the people who were in there how it worked out. Also, in the titanic game my first day was just posting lists till it was lynchtime. XLIV gg
What is that?
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On August 10 2013 01:50 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:31 s0Lstice wrote: Koshi still looks scummy to me. I just got done talking him out of his big dead red scum read in PMs (Oats) with like 2 lines of text. There's times like this where he really just lacks conviction that makes me think his reads are a pretext. Everybody thinks Oats is town and tells me that with 2 lines of text. I gave up on Oats.
Don't tell me you've been lurking and came to the thread just to say this -.- Not to mention that town don't just give up scum reads after being told to do so without reasoning.
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On August 10 2013 01:58 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:50 Koshi wrote:On August 10 2013 01:31 s0Lstice wrote: Koshi still looks scummy to me. I just got done talking him out of his big dead red scum read in PMs (Oats) with like 2 lines of text. There's times like this where he really just lacks conviction that makes me think his reads are a pretext. Everybody thinks Oats is town and tells me that with 2 lines of text. I gave up on Oats. Don't tell me you've been lurking and came to the thread just to say this -.- Not to mention that town don't just give up scum reads after being told to do so without reasoning.
Lynch me and find out I do.
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