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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 09 2013 17:01 GMT
#1221
On August 10 2013 01:58 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 01:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:56 Koshi wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
I do believe Koshi needs a good old lynchin'

If you don't want to listen to the 5000 arguments I made already, you may also look for an activity comparison between his town and non-town games.

In all his town games, he is at least twice as active by this point of the game on post numbers alone, and here his activity is even skewed heavily since half his posts are merely him defending.

lol bullshit. I posted a lot in the Titanic game, but I didn't post a lot in the I swear 2 game in which I had 4 pages. I learned in the Titanic game that posting a lot is not really good for me as town. You can ask the people who were in there how it worked out. Also, in the titanic game my first day was just posting lists till it was lynchtime.

XLIV
gg

What is that?

That game I had 3 pages of post till I got into a superheated discussion with Chroma on who to lynch.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 09 2013 17:01 GMT
#1222
On August 10 2013 01:58 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 01:50 Koshi wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:31 s0Lstice wrote: Koshi still looks scummy to me. I just got done talking him out of his big dead red scum read in PMs (Oats) with like 2 lines of text. There's times like this where he really just lacks conviction that makes me think his reads are a pretext.

Everybody thinks Oats is town and tells me that with 2 lines of text. I gave up on Oats.


Don't tell me you've been lurking and came to the thread just to say this -.- Not to mention that town don't just give up scum reads after being told to do so without reasoning.

To be fair that is just what Koshi did in Titanic. He thought me & hzflank were scum, thought noone is gonna believe him (as they didn´t) and said he would vote whoever we would..
table for two on a tv tray
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 09 2013 17:02 GMT
#1223
On August 10 2013 02:01 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 01:58 Koshi wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:56 Koshi wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
I do believe Koshi needs a good old lynchin'

If you don't want to listen to the 5000 arguments I made already, you may also look for an activity comparison between his town and non-town games.

In all his town games, he is at least twice as active by this point of the game on post numbers alone, and here his activity is even skewed heavily since half his posts are merely him defending.

lol bullshit. I posted a lot in the Titanic game, but I didn't post a lot in the I swear 2 game in which I had 4 pages. I learned in the Titanic game that posting a lot is not really good for me as town. You can ask the people who were in there how it worked out. Also, in the titanic game my first day was just posting lists till it was lynchtime.

XLIV
gg

What is that?

That game I had 3 pages of post till I got into a superheated discussion with Chroma on who to lynch.

we have had a heated discussion and shit, which already bloated your filter and you still sittin at 2.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 09 2013 17:06 GMT
#1224
On August 10 2013 02:02 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 02:01 Koshi wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:58 Koshi wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:56 Koshi wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
I do believe Koshi needs a good old lynchin'

If you don't want to listen to the 5000 arguments I made already, you may also look for an activity comparison between his town and non-town games.

In all his town games, he is at least twice as active by this point of the game on post numbers alone, and here his activity is even skewed heavily since half his posts are merely him defending.

lol bullshit. I posted a lot in the Titanic game, but I didn't post a lot in the I swear 2 game in which I had 4 pages. I learned in the Titanic game that posting a lot is not really good for me as town. You can ask the people who were in there how it worked out. Also, in the titanic game my first day was just posting lists till it was lynchtime.

XLIV
gg

What is that?

That game I had 3 pages of post till I got into a superheated discussion with Chroma on who to lynch.

we have had a heated discussion and shit, which already bloated your filter and you still sittin at 2.

Dandel thank you for bringing up my meta.
Town in newbie game:
3 pages of posts till I got into an argument with Chroma on who to lynch and added 3 more pages. Then I died.
Town in I swear 2:
4 pages and game was over in N1. A lot of those pages was me defending against rayn yelling I was scum.
Town in Titanic:
Nothing for the entire day 1 except lists.
I had a good night of sleep.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 09 2013 17:07 GMT
#1225
On August 10 2013 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 01:58 Xatalos wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:50 Koshi wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:31 s0Lstice wrote: Koshi still looks scummy to me. I just got done talking him out of his big dead red scum read in PMs (Oats) with like 2 lines of text. There's times like this where he really just lacks conviction that makes me think his reads are a pretext.

Everybody thinks Oats is town and tells me that with 2 lines of text. I gave up on Oats.


Don't tell me you've been lurking and came to the thread just to say this -.- Not to mention that town don't just give up scum reads after being told to do so without reasoning.

To be fair that is just what Koshi did in Titanic. He thought me & hzflank were scum, thought noone is gonna believe him (as they didn´t) and said he would vote whoever we would..


............
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
August 09 2013 17:07 GMT
#1226
On August 10 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 01:48 s0Lstice wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:35 s0Lstice wrote:
go ahead and tell me what you think of johnnywup claiming a town name to Acro in PMs without prompting while you're at it Rayn.

What do you mean by town name?

Also how am i wrong on you? That´s exactly what i read from your post.


From what acro says, he claimed his role name because he thought it would look townie I.e. he has a town name. Why does he do that as scum? Or better, is it likely he does that as scum?

In regards to your paragraph on me, I never said dandel would do good things with the lordship as town. He was talking about shooting kush with our kp, and I argued that it should be used on a scumread if possible. I said I would do better. I have also said I am thinking dandel is town in the thread during this clusterfuck. I said it in pms too, my other house members will verify.

It´s not alignment indicative as the role names are not alignment indicative. What if he is mafia and some role name that´s "town" in the lore and decided to claim it to look town? It´s all WIFOM and there is nothing alignment indicative in his claim. Or if there is, feel free to tell me why that claim could possibly not come from mafia.

Fair enough. I was wrong in the "good things" part. I assumed you meant that when you said you would elect Dandel when you are 100% sure he is town. Why would you then elect someone who STILL does not do good things over yourself? I know you have said you think Dandel is town, are you 100% sure he is? Because from what i read from your post you would be if he was the lord now.


Yes role names are not alignment indicative. I wasn't saying they were. The point is johnny thought they were, otherwise why claim it at all? As scum, claim role name to appear town. As town, claim role name to appear town. Now which of these is more likely with the way it went down. 'Sup veteran Lord candidate, I'm X.' Does he do this as scum?
ATOBTTR
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 09 2013 17:07 GMT
#1227
On August 10 2013 01:18 Sharrant wrote:
I was briefly around yesterday, so I concentrated on PMs with Acro while I was reading the thread. I have not PM'ed anyone in quite some time as I have not been around. I should be here on and off up until the deadline.

There's been some talk of killing Kush. Kush and I have talked very little, but his attitude struck me as matching his town meta to a T. Obviously I can't quote the pm, but he openly admitted to being completely clueless about how teh game is operating/what had happened within our house during n0, while still having a big attitude about it.

I'm conflicted on this, because on one hand in smurf I could easily tell he was town, and pretty much everyone else could. But on the other hand he still got mislynched at LyLo and did not contribue meaningfully to the game.

I don't want him alive at LyLo again, but he is very likely town. I've been playing with Kush since my first game on TL, and I think I've gotten him right about 80% of the time. That said, I understand and even sympathize with wanting to kill him at this point. But I personally can't do so because I am relatively sure he's town, and town is town regardless of whether they're playing poorly or not. The only thing giving me any doubt is this: Does anyone know if Kush uses the term 'fag' or 'fags' at all?

I'm not confident enough to name anyone as scum until I've read the thread a few more times. Most of the big incidents in the thread are cookie cutter from other games I've played. Rayne twisting words around was exactly what he did to me until we both figured each other out as town in the last game we played. Oatsmaster and Yamato's fight earlier was also cookie cutter from the last game I was in with them, however a few things stuck out to me as different about both of them in this case. I will be starting to read through their exchange again. Does anyone else have specific things they think I should read or that they want opinions on?

I would like you to tell me who do you think is mafia. I also would like you to tell me how have i been twisting people´s words in this game as you seem to imply i have done so?
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 09 2013 17:09 GMT
#1228
On August 10 2013 02:02 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 02:01 Koshi wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:58 Koshi wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:56 Koshi wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
I do believe Koshi needs a good old lynchin'

If you don't want to listen to the 5000 arguments I made already, you may also look for an activity comparison between his town and non-town games.

In all his town games, he is at least twice as active by this point of the game on post numbers alone, and here his activity is even skewed heavily since half his posts are merely him defending.

lol bullshit. I posted a lot in the Titanic game, but I didn't post a lot in the I swear 2 game in which I had 4 pages. I learned in the Titanic game that posting a lot is not really good for me as town. You can ask the people who were in there how it worked out. Also, in the titanic game my first day was just posting lists till it was lynchtime.

XLIV
gg

What is that?

That game I had 3 pages of post till I got into a superheated discussion with Chroma on who to lynch.

we have had a heated discussion and shit, which already bloated your filter and you still sittin at 2.

Also in Sicilian I tried to play town as SK and couldn't even get to 20 posts on day 1 because I had nothing to contribute. Fuck that meta bullshit tbh. You keep searching for reasons to lynch me and they are all false.
I had a good night of sleep.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
August 09 2013 17:09 GMT
#1229
On August 10 2013 01:54 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 01:31 s0Lstice wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:23 Xatalos wrote:
On August 09 2013 23:37 s0Lstice wrote:
On August 09 2013 23:23 Xatalos wrote:
Just a notice that I'll be relying on my phone (and its battery) for about 2 days so my activity will drop a bit during this time.

s0Lstice, would you act like you did during N0 again in retrospect? Who do you think should be Lord at N1 in your House?


If there is one takeaway from my explanation that you should be getting, it's that I think I'm in the right here. Yes, I would do the same thing again despite this retarded flack I'm getting.

Wait and see who I vote N1. This information will be made known to you later. For now, know that I have a pretty good idea of who I'm voting.


I can't understand why you would refuse to vote your townread and choose someone null/AFK over him. If DI was your townread, that means he almost completely certainly also was town, because he's a blatant scum as scum. There's just no sense in choosing somewhat likely scum over almost impossible scum as Lord. How can you disagree?

What do you think of Dandel Ion now? What about Chromatically? Or Koshi?


Dandel is definitely town. Chromatically will depend on how his reads adjust as the game goes on. As I said earlier, I really didn't like how he clung to our whole argument seemingly without adopting any new information, especially when it came at the expense of doing anything else in thread as far as I can tell. He's asked me some good questions though that give me an impression he is trying to figure things out. I want to see which of those gives way. Koshi still looks scummy to me. I just got done talking him out of his big dead red scum read in PMs (Oats) with like 2 lines of text. There's times like this where he really just lacks conviction that makes me think his reads are a pretext.

It's obvious you can't understand my reasons for doing what I did. I'm not going to explain them again. It makes me nervous about you when you ask me the same question over and over expecting a different answer. What matters is if you think that I think that it was the best course for our house and town. If you think that, then whether it was right or wrong in your eyes is irrelevant.

Also, I'm asking you this again, tell me why I called Dandel town in my pursuit of the lordship, in essence undercutting my own run, if this was some big scum plot by me to discredit him and take the role for myself.

To the lords, how has Chrom been in PMs?


I take it you are familiar with DI's meta. That means his alignment would (or at least should) be obvious to you pretty soon. That's why you certainly can't say that he's scummy as either alignment. Having him as a town read is pretty much forced on you even as scum. Your town read on him doesn't really say much about you.

The problem is that despite your town read, you refused to vote for him for very weak reasons. I have a very hard time seeing how you'd do this as town. I have had moments where I have considered you being town, but I always come back to your N0 actions. It points too strongly to scum to disregard it as simply bad play.

I like your "sidenote" about Koshi though. That seems like something town would say rather than scum.


This is correct, but there can still be a period of uncertainty. Can you not see how I could not be entirely sure when there are only 24 hours to figure it out, and no thread posting to go off of?
ATOBTTR
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 09 2013 17:10 GMT
#1230
No it's not false.
Nobody pressured you in sicilian, and you have 1 page.

Taking away the posts due to my tunneling, you would have 1 page.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 09 2013 17:10 GMT
#1231
On August 10 2013 02:07 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:48 s0Lstice wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 10 2013 01:35 s0Lstice wrote:
go ahead and tell me what you think of johnnywup claiming a town name to Acro in PMs without prompting while you're at it Rayn.

What do you mean by town name?

Also how am i wrong on you? That´s exactly what i read from your post.


From what acro says, he claimed his role name because he thought it would look townie I.e. he has a town name. Why does he do that as scum? Or better, is it likely he does that as scum?

In regards to your paragraph on me, I never said dandel would do good things with the lordship as town. He was talking about shooting kush with our kp, and I argued that it should be used on a scumread if possible. I said I would do better. I have also said I am thinking dandel is town in the thread during this clusterfuck. I said it in pms too, my other house members will verify.

It´s not alignment indicative as the role names are not alignment indicative. What if he is mafia and some role name that´s "town" in the lore and decided to claim it to look town? It´s all WIFOM and there is nothing alignment indicative in his claim. Or if there is, feel free to tell me why that claim could possibly not come from mafia.

Fair enough. I was wrong in the "good things" part. I assumed you meant that when you said you would elect Dandel when you are 100% sure he is town. Why would you then elect someone who STILL does not do good things over yourself? I know you have said you think Dandel is town, are you 100% sure he is? Because from what i read from your post you would be if he was the lord now.


Yes role names are not alignment indicative. I wasn't saying they were. The point is johnny thought they were, otherwise why claim it at all? As scum, claim role name to appear town. As town, claim role name to appear town. Now which of these is more likely with the way it went down. 'Sup veteran Lord candidate, I'm X.' Does he do this as scum?

Why is it impossible he would not do that as scum? Iam saying he could do that regardless of his alignment. If you are going to defend him by your argument you need to tell me why it´s impossible he would not do that as mafia. I just told you why he would do that as mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 09 2013 17:12 GMT
#1232
On August 10 2013 02:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
No it's not false.
Nobody pressured you in sicilian, and you have 1 page.

Taking away the posts due to my tunneling, you would have 1 page.

I don't even know what your point is here.
I had a good night of sleep.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 09 2013 17:13 GMT
#1233
On August 10 2013 02:12 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 02:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
No it's not false.
Nobody pressured you in sicilian, and you have 1 page.

Taking away the posts due to my tunneling, you would have 1 page.

I don't even know what your point is here.

u scum
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 09 2013 17:13 GMT
#1234
Koshi why are you not trying to convince me that chromatically is scum?

seeing as you say you have a townread on sol.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 09 2013 17:14 GMT
#1235
On August 10 2013 02:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 02:12 Koshi wrote:
On August 10 2013 02:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
No it's not false.
Nobody pressured you in sicilian, and you have 1 page.

Taking away the posts due to my tunneling, you would have 1 page.

I don't even know what your point is here.

u scum

gg ez.
I had a good night of sleep.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 09 2013 17:14 GMT
#1236
On August 10 2013 02:14 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 02:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 10 2013 02:12 Koshi wrote:
On August 10 2013 02:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
No it's not false.
Nobody pressured you in sicilian, and you have 1 page.

Taking away the posts due to my tunneling, you would have 1 page.

I don't even know what your point is here.

u scum

hurr durr i am a horse.

A backwards poet writes inverse.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 09 2013 17:15 GMT
#1237
On August 10 2013 02:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
Koshi why are you not trying to convince me that chromatically is scum?

seeing as you say you have a townread on sol.

I tried, but you ignored my PM. So please. Going to search for more fake reasons to incriminate me?
I had a good night of sleep.
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
August 09 2013 17:15 GMT
#1238
Someone asked me what I think of clarity and I don't think I ever responded. I didn't really find anything overly scummy with PM interaction on n0. His tunnel of myself was annoying, but I didn't get an anti-town vibe at any point.

Does anyone recall who posted the list of house members?
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 09 2013 17:15 GMT
#1239
Keep on guys, this is funny to watch. :D
table for two on a tv tray
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 09 2013 17:17 GMT
#1240
On August 10 2013 02:15 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 02:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
Koshi why are you not trying to convince me that chromatically is scum?

seeing as you say you have a townread on sol.

I tried, but you ignored my PM. So please. Going to search for more fake reasons to incriminate me?

no i told you to take everything to the thread while you can post in it.
same thing i told sol.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
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