GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - Page 6

On August 09 2013 16:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
So which lurker do you want to die Xata?

On August 09 2013 16:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
I feel that kush will show his alignment either way.

So you are basically suggesting a policy nk on lurkers right?
Cause you dont have specific targets. I dont know if I agree.

On August 09 2013 16:55 Clarity_nl wrote:


Merely poking fun at you for calling me a traffic cop. Ofcourse I become aware of it when you point it out.
I don't know how that's inherent guilt, or why, as any alignment, I would feel guilty for trying to avoid people shitting up the thread.

Are you calling me scum, or are you just pointing out something as "noteworthy"? If you're gonna push something, push it.



I agree with this.

The rayn/acro shitfest that happened was dumb. One side saying that the other is COMPLETELY MISREPRESENTING ME when they use a slightly different word or interpretation is useless.
I dunno why you guys are voting eachother, but please find out if your vote is to lynch or if your vote is OMGUS.

rayn saying "I'll reconsider my read if you tell me the plan" can easily come from town
Likewise, acro being protective of his plan seems more likely town than scum. Issues with oberyn not withstanding (he called it a joint effort so you think he's scum?)

In fact, oberyn..... please walk me through this
You vote him because he is buddying up to you.. fair enough I guess? Not sure how that makes him more likely scum that solstice but let's roll with it.

Then you emphasize the buddying up part:


All is cool up until this point. He's buddying up to you, he's overstating his contributions. These are decent points.
Here comes the thing I have an issue with though:

Suddenly every interaction you've ever had with acro points to him being scum? Why didn't we hear from this earlier?
You had not mentioned any of these points until now. Could anyone from Oberyn's house say if he ever mentioned these things before, and whether or not he talked about acro possibly being scum?

You had a vote on him for one concise reason, implying you could lynch him for just that reason, and then you felt the need to suddenly attach 5 more reasons.
Why is that, Oberyn?

On August 09 2013 17:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yes.

If he believed him to be scum enough to vote him over solstice (while stating he's still suspicious of solstice) why does he feel the need to add more reasons to his vote?

On August 09 2013 17:59 Dandel Ion wrote:

Really? What indicates to you that he will?


btw, I'm fully in favor of policy nk'ing lurkers.
imo we should agree on 3 of them and have 2 houses shoot them respectively. Or maybe 2 with 3 shooting each? Hard to tell how much you need to kill them, 2 targets seems "safer" to result in something. Just try one out and see what happens. The specific distribution can be made in secret, dunno if that'd have an impact but i dont think it really matters to the thread who shoots who until after it's done (so we can see who didn't kill who), which might as well be claimed after.

There's literally no downside to this.

On August 09 2013 17:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
Let me put it this way.

In chronological order:

1. He takes advantage of the mess rayn and acro have created by voting for acro
2. He then goes back and explains why his reasoning in his votepost makes sense (this is fine)
3. He now shows that he went back and looked at his interactions with acro

Why did he not look back at the interactions before voting him? Surely you look back at it BEFORE you vote someone?
I believe he is scum who tried to take advantage of the situation, and acted too quickly, started doubting that the reasons he posted in thread looked genuine, so he went back and slapped on everything that he could twist to look scummy.
He had not mentioned acro at all before this point.

If anyone has received pms from oberyn in which he expresses concern of acro being scum prior to the rayn/acro outburst then I might be willing to change my mind on this.

On August 09 2013 18:00 Grackaroni wrote:
Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each. The best contribution in thread he made was calling out S0lstice for not electing his town read and naming 2 people town who the majority of town has already agreed were town.

After that he started making posts such


This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation.

Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody

Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting.

There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions.

@Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed?

On August 09 2013 18:15 Dandel Ion wrote:

Why would you drag it out over multiple cycles?
that only muddies the waters.

On August 09 2013 20:29 Clarity_nl wrote:


You don't think is weird that even though acro told oberyn that he thought the hp check was on a person rather than a house, oberyn failed to mention this in his post?
Oberyn told rayn that if acro was speaking the truth about that, it's not anti-town.

He also failed to mention any of the reasons he posted in thread to rayn, even though he was supposedly discussing his read with rayn, enough so that he didn't want rayn to tell anyone else his thoughts.

On August 09 2013 21:04 Clarity_nl wrote:


I think solstice is a good lynch today unless something strange happens. His scumread on johnny makes no sense to me and his lord vote is obviously silly. Not voting DL despite having a townread on him because if he's scum he'll betray himself anyway...?

Onegu feels scummy, the way he rapidly comes to people's defense, other than that he hasn't done much.

Other than that, no not really. Risen is weird but scum doesn't just post 6 terrible scumreads in the span of an hour and then goes "BYE GUYS, DA BEECH"
I liked him pointing out FT's opening post being scummy as hell.

On August 09 2013 21:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am also underwhelmed by iamp. He got voted lord but he doesn't seem to be doing much in thread.
Maybe he's more active in pms?

That said, I've played with iamp before (2012 though) and this seems to be his style.
I don't disagree that lurkers need to be pressured, although as has been pointed out we have house KP for that, and hopefully iamp will agree with this.

All the lords definitely need to have some form of conclusion about what abilities are used, on who and what time.
Whether they share their conclusion in thread or not is up to them, but there should be an explanation of what was done the following day for sure (unless I'm not foreseeing some sort of plan that needs to keep most people in the dark)

On August 09 2013 21:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah FT has decent points about Acro.
That said his first post WAS scummy as hell. It became less scummy when he explained what he meant.
I don't think FT is scum at the moment, but Risen was correct to call him out on it.

Did Onegu soft defend people in NWM the way he's done at least twice this game?

On July 08 2013 13:42 Onegu wrote:


This is his reason for launching at xata I think, I think he means xata launched at him so he launched back.




And here is the reason he launched.

On August 09 2013 21:55 Acrofales wrote:

My speech is simply the way learned nobles of the Reach speak. I know this sometimes confuses the common peasants, but why did you feel the need to upstage the ongoing conversations with such trifling evidence? What was your intention with your "grand reveal", which seemed to indicate a monumentous discovery of epic proportions. With your dramatic presentation, I was expecting you had discovered that Aegon the Conqueror had returned to slay us all.

On August 09 2013 22:08 Acrofales wrote:

Now you know how I feel whenever I hear you talk!

On August 09 2013 22:07 Acrofales wrote:
I am not convinced by those calling the Red Viper a Blackfyre because his case against me was incremental. While his case against me is nonsense, and any trust I had placed in him is gone, I don't believe the fact that he presented his evidence incrementally is indicative of his true intentions at all.