GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - Page 52

On August 09 2013 14:58 johnnywup wrote:
he said it was scummy that I had that thought and I said that others saw it and some thought the exact opposite. Maybe that doesn't even really matter but I thought it was worth pointing out.

On August 09 2013 15:19 johnnywup wrote:
I dunno, I just thought it was. Does that bother you?

It's scummy to think there's a 3p?

On August 09 2013 15:44 johnnywup wrote:
it's hardly a defense i'm sure you'll agree. i didn't really intend for it to be a defense. I was just pointing out a contrast. Do you think I'm scum?

On August 09 2013 16:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
So which lurker do you want to die Xata?

On August 09 2013 16:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
I feel that kush will show his alignment either way.

So you are basically suggesting a policy nk on lurkers right?
Cause you dont have specific targets. I dont know if I agree.

On August 09 2013 11:15 s0Lstice wrote:


Clarity my boy. I see no reason not to assume that you think your play so far has been pro-town. With that said, what are you doing here? If your thread directing is useful and pro-town, what is with the self-conscious acknowledgement of the behavior? If it's protown then you should just be carrying on. It seems like you have some inherent guilt here.

On August 09 2013 08:35 Chromatically wrote:
Why isn't everyone voting Sol already?

On August 09 2013 08:20 Oberyn wrote:
I'm not really sure what you're rambling about Acro. You essentially took my plan from my first post, decided that you and me worked on it together (I have no idea where that comes from) and now won't share it for whatever reason.

I'm still suspicious of sol, but for now I'm going to:

##Unvote
##Vote Acrofales

On August 09 2013 08:50 Oberyn wrote:


Exactly. Nothing there points to us working together on come to your plan. It gives me the creeps that you decide to bring up three different times that I helped formulate the idea as if we're working behind the scenes to come up with something incredibly pro-town. I feel like you're buddying up to me in that sense. Furthermore, the plan isn't so great that you have to keep it a secret from rayn. You're overstating your contribution right now.

On August 09 2013 09:02 Oberyn wrote:
More on Acrofales:

I first contact him via pm's because I found his conclusion that DI and koshi are both town quite puzzling. When I asked about it futher, he explained that he doesn't think DI truly thinks that sol and koshi are scum, he is simply pressuring them. Based on DI's emotional tunnel, I certainly do not draw the same conclusion. He also inadequately explains why koshi is town. He states that DI is overreacting on his views about koshi., but how is this indicative of koshi's alignment? He states that he isn't interested in considering a koshi lynch, but doesn't provide a solid reason. Furthermore, if you earlier thought that DI was faking his read on koshi to pressure him, how is he suddenly overreacting on his read? That's a contradiction.

Initially, he thought that it was a good idea to use the health check simply to figure out the hp system. This is incredibly anti-town. When I attack him for his plan, he quickly drops it.

Acro's house is a slew of inactives, but he has shown little interest in dealing with them.

In the thread, Acro has said a lot of nothing. He is using the role playing nonsense to cover up the fact that he isn't sharing many strong reads. I see little reason why he shouldn't be considered for a lynch today.

On August 09 2013 16:55 Clarity_nl wrote:


Merely poking fun at you for calling me a traffic cop. Ofcourse I become aware of it when you point it out.
I don't know how that's inherent guilt, or why, as any alignment, I would feel guilty for trying to avoid people shitting up the thread.

Are you calling me scum, or are you just pointing out something as "noteworthy"? If you're gonna push something, push it.



I agree with this.

The rayn/acro shitfest that happened was dumb. One side saying that the other is COMPLETELY MISREPRESENTING ME when they use a slightly different word or interpretation is useless.
I dunno why you guys are voting eachother, but please find out if your vote is to lynch or if your vote is OMGUS.

rayn saying "I'll reconsider my read if you tell me the plan" can easily come from town
Likewise, acro being protective of his plan seems more likely town than scum. Issues with oberyn not withstanding (he called it a joint effort so you think he's scum?)

In fact, oberyn..... please walk me through this
You vote him because he is buddying up to you.. fair enough I guess? Not sure how that makes him more likely scum that solstice but let's roll with it.

Then you emphasize the buddying up part:


All is cool up until this point. He's buddying up to you, he's overstating his contributions. These are decent points.
Here comes the thing I have an issue with though:

Suddenly every interaction you've ever had with acro points to him being scum? Why didn't we hear from this earlier?
You had not mentioned any of these points until now. Could anyone from Oberyn's house say if he ever mentioned these things before, and whether or not he talked about acro possibly being scum?

You had a vote on him for one concise reason, implying you could lynch him for just that reason, and then you felt the need to suddenly attach 5 more reasons.
Why is that, Oberyn?

On August 09 2013 16:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
I feel that kush will show his alignment either way.

So you are basically suggesting a policy nk on lurkers right?
Cause you dont have specific targets. I dont know if I agree.

On August 09 2013 06:35 jrkirby wrote:
Finally, why have all the houses not posted a list of their members yet?

I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why:

1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house.

2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start.

3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum.

4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time.

5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps.

6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful).

7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on.

8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum.

9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency.

I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists:

1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it.

On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote:
One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have.

This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like.

On August 09 2013 17:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yes.

If he believed him to be scum enough to vote him over solstice (while stating he's still suspicious of solstice) why does he feel the need to add more reasons to his vote?