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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
August 09 2013 02:24 GMT
#981
On August 09 2013 11:18 Oberyn wrote:
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On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote:
As scum, Dandel knows he will be caught. He will therefore have no qualms about using our house abilities (the KP, the one-shot HP check) in a way that is incriminating as he is going to be lynched or vigged anyway. The hypothetical I layed out was that he'd blow our HP check and shoot the towniest dude in the thread. These are things that would probably be traced back to him in the future, but again it's not gonna matter.


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On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote:
Chrom even if scum, would probably not raise the middle finger and KP who he wanted and blow our check. More likely, he would try to maneuver our KP to someone he wanted with discussion and leave the check alone.


Either way, with a scum Dandel or a scum Chrom, they would use the house kp to shoot a town and there is not much you can do about it. It seems to me that the logical decision is to elect the player that is more likely town to avoid this scenario.

If Dandel is going to clearly get caught as a scum Lord wouldn't electing him be a good idea? Free scum read? Furthermore, are you saying that preserving the 1-shot hp check is important enough to elect a null player over a town player? I'm not convinced by your reasoning.

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On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote:
Dandel also lied about me not trying to figure out people's alignments within our house.


So are you saying that Dandel is lying and misrepresenting you, but you think he is town? Why call him a liar, suggesting an anti-town motivation, yet support him at the same time?

Also, what specifically in PMs led you to a town read?


I think the HP check is pretty valueable. Like I was saying in PM's, it can have DT like functionality. Also, at the time of this argument, house KP was unknown. Dandel as scum could have presumably killed some awesome townie with our KP. Part of this discussion is how a scum playing for long game (i.e. not Dandel) would think long and hard before abusing house KP, as it could incriminate him. I saw it as much less likely that, if scum, Chrom would be so overt with the scum agenda. He would not take the 'scorched earth' route as I put it to Chrom.

Yes. Dandel's town meta is good enough that he can even misrepresent and lie and I still think he is town now. Have you seen his scum games?
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
August 09 2013 02:26 GMT
#982
Oh I missed the last bit Oberyn.

In our PMs he was engaged, openly communicating, and it was clear to me that he REALLY believed that he was the best choice for our house. Like, it's Dandel, so he is kinda trolly as both alignments, but he obviously cared about what was going on...enough to fight me tooth and nail for what he thought was right.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
August 09 2013 02:28 GMT
#983
More...iamp pointed this out. He is not shying away from this clusterfuck. He is right in the thick of it.

In NWM which I co-hosted, he strategically lurked, and avoided the limelight when the heat was on. He was also similarly disengaged as scum in Les Mis.
ATOBTTR
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
August 09 2013 02:28 GMT
#984
On August 09 2013 11:24 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 11:18 Oberyn wrote:
On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote:
As scum, Dandel knows he will be caught. He will therefore have no qualms about using our house abilities (the KP, the one-shot HP check) in a way that is incriminating as he is going to be lynched or vigged anyway. The hypothetical I layed out was that he'd blow our HP check and shoot the towniest dude in the thread. These are things that would probably be traced back to him in the future, but again it's not gonna matter.


On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote:
Chrom even if scum, would probably not raise the middle finger and KP who he wanted and blow our check. More likely, he would try to maneuver our KP to someone he wanted with discussion and leave the check alone.


Either way, with a scum Dandel or a scum Chrom, they would use the house kp to shoot a town and there is not much you can do about it. It seems to me that the logical decision is to elect the player that is more likely town to avoid this scenario.

If Dandel is going to clearly get caught as a scum Lord wouldn't electing him be a good idea? Free scum read? Furthermore, are you saying that preserving the 1-shot hp check is important enough to elect a null player over a town player? I'm not convinced by your reasoning.

On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote:
Dandel also lied about me not trying to figure out people's alignments within our house.


So are you saying that Dandel is lying and misrepresenting you, but you think he is town? Why call him a liar, suggesting an anti-town motivation, yet support him at the same time?

Also, what specifically in PMs led you to a town read?


I think the HP check is pretty valueable. Like I was saying in PM's, it can have DT like functionality.


A player deciding to sabotage the ability because he knows he is going to get caught can also have DT like functionality. I still don't see why you think Dandel outing himself as scum would be a reason not to elect him.
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
August 09 2013 02:32 GMT
#985
Because if he is going to out himself independent of any other action in the game, then blowing the check to incriminate him is a waste. He is going to incriminate himself anyway.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
August 09 2013 02:35 GMT
#986
Put another way, I didn't want to give him the opportunity to take the ability away from us if he is scum. Basically, if Dandel is scum, we would know, and we can identify him without giving him the chance to do any lord ability related damage.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
August 09 2013 02:40 GMT
#987
sorry for triple post

what do you think of Clarity, Oberyn?
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
August 09 2013 02:46 GMT
#988
fuck it

On August 09 2013 06:13 Acrofales wrote:
I am going to step in to protect my vassal johnnywup. I initially suspected him because he yelled his true name in our dining hall as he entered Highgarden. It seemed naive at best, and fishing for others' role names at worst. Since then this has been clarified and I suspect it was just a naive gaff to gain our trust.

However, in public he seems overly paranoid about it; possibly because both Sharrant and I were immediately suspicious of his motives. He claimed to have never heard of evil magician assassins who use name magic to murder you in your sleep. The whole discussion played out in a way that I believe him.

Now, this just plain doesn't jibe with the suspicions s0lstice is trying to mount against him.

DI, Koshi, Chromatically: does s0lstice's explanation do justice to what happened in the confines of Storm's End?


What is happening here Acro? I literally have no idea what you think of johnny. Clarify please.
ATOBTTR
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 09 2013 03:29 GMT
#989
On August 09 2013 11:22 Grackaroni wrote:
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On August 09 2013 11:11 iamperfection wrote:
also i find it absolutely hilarious that people think lurkers cant be scum they almost always are.

herp derp iamp is scum because he wants to kill scum

There definitely could be scum in lurkers but it's scummy to just not bother looking at active players because you have decided the entire scum team is lurking.

So anything to say piece. You seemed to have not read the thread from are pms.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 09 2013 03:29 GMT
#990
nor have you contributed anything at all recently?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 09 2013 03:30 GMT
#991
thats my case on you.


you do nothing
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
August 09 2013 03:36 GMT
#992
iamp, do you have any notion of when grack decided he didnt want to vote you and said as much to gumshoe and xatalos? did he actually push for this, and did it happen with enough time for anything to actually come of it?
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
August 09 2013 03:43 GMT
#993
actually nvm. this was talked about earlier i just found it.
ATOBTTR
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 09 2013 03:44 GMT
#994
Hi! I'm finally back in thread! I'll be here with the sole purpose of catching up so you can count on some substantive posts soon. I only got to the 20s while I was at school/work reading on my phone.

Since rayn has already taken the liberty of addressing our house members, I won't bother to discuss that. As I continue reading, I would like to direct attention to Afrocales' first post. If anyone is around, please analyze it and tell me what you think of it. I'd like to bounce some ideas off of people about what it means.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 09 2013 03:59 GMT
#995
Going to hospital post when have internet there.
Try TL Mafia!!!
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 09 2013 04:09 GMT
#996
On August 09 2013 12:36 s0Lstice wrote:
iamp, do you have any notion of when grack decided he didnt want to vote you and said as much to gumshoe and xatalos? did he actually push for this, and did it happen with enough time for anything to actually come of it?

he hasnt pushed anything ever and seems to want to throw dirt on me but do nothing with it
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
August 09 2013 04:22 GMT
#997
On August 09 2013 12:44 FirmTofu wrote:
Hi! I'm finally back in thread! I'll be here with the sole purpose of catching up so you can count on some substantive posts soon. I only got to the 20s while I was at school/work reading on my phone.

Since rayn has already taken the liberty of addressing our house members, I won't bother to discuss that. As I continue reading, I would like to direct attention to Afrocales' first post. If anyone is around, please analyze it and tell me what you think of it. I'd like to bounce some ideas off of people about what it means.


This is so scummy man. How about you analyze it, tell us what you think, and then bounce ideas around? Why are you jumping in on this Acro wagon without anything substantive? Seems to me you're soft-pushing an acro lynch without committing yourself.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 09 2013 04:23 GMT
#998
On August 09 2013 13:22 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 12:44 FirmTofu wrote:
Hi! I'm finally back in thread! I'll be here with the sole purpose of catching up so you can count on some substantive posts soon. I only got to the 20s while I was at school/work reading on my phone.

Since rayn has already taken the liberty of addressing our house members, I won't bother to discuss that. As I continue reading, I would like to direct attention to Afrocales' first post. If anyone is around, please analyze it and tell me what you think of it. I'd like to bounce some ideas off of people about what it means.


This is so scummy man. How about you analyze it, tell us what you think, and then bounce ideas around? Why are you jumping in on this Acro wagon without anything substantive? Seems to me you're soft-pushing an acro lynch without committing yourself.

it pains me to say this...... i agree with ........... ugh with risen here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 09 2013 04:28 GMT
#999
speaking of you risen have you reconsidered any of your bad reads yet?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
August 09 2013 04:32 GMT
#1000
Not really. Just got back from da beech, read through the posts that have been made since I've been gone, and responded to FT. Now I'm going to take a bath, watch some House of Cards, and go to sleep. I'll be back tomorrow morning.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
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