EPTLet´s have the PM discussion we did in thread ok?
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Let´s have the PM discussion we did in thread ok? | ||
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On August 09 2013 08:19 Acrofales wrote: Screw paraphrasing. You LITERALLY said: "I am willing to reconsider my stance if you are willing to tell me the plan." How am I misrepresenting anything. That means: tell me the plan and I'll leave you alone. reconsider =/= back off. wtf? | ||
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##Vote: Acrofales | ||
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##Unvote: After rereading our argument with Acrofales and Clarity´s post about him i don´t feel confident about this. The thing with Acrofales is that it is really hard to get a decent read on him because of his roleplay. I tend to look emotions besides what people post and i can´t notice any, aside from his post where seemed to be genuinely mad at me because i was "twisting his words". I can now understand him misunderstanding me and thinking i was trying to paint him as mafia in case he is town. Please Acro, could you stop the roleplay stuff so i can actually read you? Another thing. In Oberyn´s defense he was suspicious of Acro before our thing happened. He expressed his suspicion to me in PM´s and told me to not tell anyone about that (as there was this house HP stuff going on, he wanted more information from Acro regarding that). So i can see why he voted / laid out his case on Acro when he did and it makes sense to me. Now i gotta reread stuff to tell you who i want to lynch. After all Solstice seems like a good candidate, FT feels a bit better after his comeback. Then there is johnnywup, who is overly defensive over nothing. I still think Onegu is scum. | ||
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On August 09 2013 18:34 Clarity_nl wrote: Hmmm, okay. Could you specify what he said to you, does it match the reasons he laid out after his vote post? First we started talking about Onegu (his suggestion of using the house HP check), i told Oberyn this: "Onegu´s suggestion is beyond stupid or scummy. Why should we give mafia information about how many HP people have, od D1, when there is not much to go with? Have you tried to ask his reasoning for that?" Oberyn agreed with me. Then he said he finds it weird Acrofales agrees with Onegu and wants to use the HP check on their own house because it´s important for the lords to know about the HP so they can direct KP accordingly. Then he said Acro is his biggest suspect at the moment and asked me to not share this with anyone yet so he could keep questioning him. Me: "Hmm.. Ask him (Acro) about his motives to use the HP check. I find that extremely anti-town thing to do at this point, at least if a scum!Lord uses it (as they get the information). Assuming mafia does not know how much HP people have they are in the same boat with us townies right now. there is no reason to push that information to be known right now as mafia is the holder of the KP besides us lords. It does not help town at all. Keep up messaging with Acro, and keep me informed. " Oberyn then told me that Acro had misunderstood the check as a single target check (i assume this means that you can pick one person - when in fact it´s a full house) and in that case Acro´s suggestion is not that scummy. First Acro had told Oberyn he thinks it should be used on D1 to find out about hp, which Oberyn thought was scummy, but then he had said it should be used to confirm lord kp, which was in Oberyn´s mind less scummy (i didin´t really get what that meant). Me: "Okay, if that´s true what you said about Acro it´s not a scumtell. I mean if he thought the check was not single. As k him how he can possibly think so (single target) when the OP clearly says otherwise. Pressure him on that. If he is mafia he might fuck up." And that´s the last time we have talked about Acrofales. | ||
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On August 09 2013 18:22 Xatalos wrote: Lord KP is instant and can be used at any time. Xatalos this is not entirely true. Lord KP can be used at any time DURING NIGHT. We must decide the Lord KP now, before the night phase, because nights are silent and Lords can´t talk to each other during the night. | ||
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On August 09 2013 18:58 Clarity_nl wrote: So you're saying that in speaking to you he never mentioned any of these reasons for acro possibly being scum: Also notice how he does not mention that acro told him he thought the hp check was on a single person, and how, if that were true, it wouldn't be so anti-town. He just mentions how [the initial way he perceived acro's idea was very anti town] So... why are you defending him? The way you explained your pms it discredits one of his points on acro, and all the other points it turns out he never mentioned to you when he was discussing his suspicion. When Oberyn said he is suspicious of Acro it was because of the Onegu thing "amongst some other things". Tbh i never asked Oberyn what these other things are because the HP thing struck off me scummy. But you are right, Oberyn is leaving some stuff out here. I though Acro was scummy only after he had been corrected about how HP-thing worked and he STILL wanted to go with the check (he PM´d me about it). I have no idea what Acrofales & Oberyn have talked about and if Oberyn´s points are valid or not. To me they looked valid. Oberyn, can you rephrase your PM-convos with Acrofales and post them in thread please? | ||
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Oh fuck, wrong game. I meant RED. :D Did you play in that one, if you did, do you remember what happened with grackaroni in that game? | ||
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In Red there is a mason group of me, hapa, acro and grack. Acro thinks he is talking in scum QT (lol) and claims a vote rigger. Grack sees this and what´s his response. He immediately claims his role in the mason QT. Then he posts some "not so bright stuff" in thread and gets hc-tunneled by Palmar for the rest of his game. Look at his first post in this game. He immediately lays out everything he has gathered on N0, not thinking about if he should claim who his housemates are or not. This post in itself and compared to Red Teams Prize screams that Grackaroni is town. | ||
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On August 09 2013 19:38 Grackaroni wrote: I'm pretty sure my response was to laugh and i said that I saw that he said he was vote rigger after he edited it out. None of us caught onto that he thought our qt was the scum qt. Also my first comment was that I thought Sinai was scum and I got picked apart for not addressing my posts at anyone. Well Sinani was scum and Palmar was convinced he wasn't so  Back to important stuff. Can you explain the meta more clearly. What can you know from that one 24 hour period? Except that i caught that and i was sure Acro was mafia from that post. I however had my reasons to be quiet about it (i was the imbalanced half town, half mafia, half SK role who needed all masons dead). If i was 100% town or if Hapahauli caught that comment Acrofales would have been 100% lynched on D1 based purely on him claim. The point is that your play early on is 100% in line with that game. You don´t think much about what you say. You lay out information you have (even if it might harm you). I would think you would be far more restricted if you were mafia. That being said, can you explain what Dandel pointed out from your post about Solstice? | ||
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On August 09 2013 19:44 Dandel Ion wrote: Eh, just skimming over his red filter, I don't really see tooooo much of a striking resemblance. Maybe a little, but it doesn't scream to me as you said it would. It´s more what he said in mason QT. I didn´t even read Grackaroni´s posts in that game because i was sure the guy was town from how he acted in our mason QT. | ||
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iamp, i am okay with your proposed shot. Lord KP should be used to vig lurkers, at least on N1. How many of the lords do we want to vig a single target? 2? more? For me 2 seems fine. As for lynch targets, so far i think: Solstice - I called his thought process fishy earlier. This is what i meant. Solstice does not want Dandel to be a lord. He says, when Dandel is town, he probably does good stuff as a lord. When he is scum, he will most likely out himself. Then he doesn´t want to elect Dandel, because he can´t be sure if he is town. I don´t like that, at all. By Solstice´s thinking, he should definitely elect Dandel and noone else. It will give him a near 100% read on Dandel, as he himself said. Why does he not want to immediately figure out Dandel´s alignment? Later on he says that "Dandel will out him either way". Has he? I see no mention of Dandel´s alignment by Solstice after that. johnnywup - There are two things why i think johnnywup is mafia. The first one is his overly defensive stance on his 3p thing. When being questioned about that in thread, his first comment is "other people did not find that scummy". That´s really going overboard if you are town, why would you be more interested to tell people that other people did not find you scummy rather than if they thought you were right or wrong and how did you end up in the conclusion? Another thing that stands out is johnnywup´s house member list. In itself list posts are bad, but this is worse. He hasn´t even put a single bit off thought into the lise (notice him not realizing in which house Vivax/Gumshoe are). Scummy as fuck. Onegu - Onegu has not done anything. Lika anything at all. If you look at his posts he is entering rendom discussions for what? To have nothing to say. Look at when he tells he has already given his thoughts about Solstice & Clarity. His conclusion on Solstice is "we need to hear from him". Right. On Clarity he redacted from his town read because he was not willing find out about role names. So his whole discussion & conclusion is worthless. Now he is trying to figure out FirmTofu. Nothing on that front. scum. Vigi list: Sharrant gumshoe yamato77 jrkirby Nachomamma8 kushm4sta For the record, noone in my house has had any contact with me on D1. I have been PMing the other lords all the time i have been online, and i would expect if they have something to ask, they will. I am not going to try to do everything and i have had pretty much nothing to say to them. So FT/Risen/nachodude if you got something to ask or something you want to discuss feel free to PM me. Vivax, when i asked you about my scumreads, why didn´t you answer me and asked me about someone else instead? | ||
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On August 10 2013 01:35 s0Lstice wrote: go ahead and tell me what you think of johnnywup claiming a town name to Acro in PMs without prompting while you're at it Rayn. What do you mean by town name? Also how am i wrong on you? That´s exactly what i read from your post. | ||
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On August 10 2013 01:48 s0Lstice wrote: From what acro says, he claimed his role name because he thought it would look townie I.e. he has a town name. Why does he do that as scum? Or better, is it likely he does that as scum? In regards to your paragraph on me, I never said dandel would do good things with the lordship as town. He was talking about shooting kush with our kp, and I argued that it should be used on a scumread if possible. I said I would do better. I have also said I am thinking dandel is town in the thread during this clusterfuck. I said it in pms too, my other house members will verify. It´s not alignment indicative as the role names are not alignment indicative. What if he is mafia and some role name that´s "town" in the lore and decided to claim it to look town? It´s all WIFOM and there is nothing alignment indicative in his claim. Or if there is, feel free to tell me why that claim could possibly not come from mafia. Fair enough. I was wrong in the "good things" part. I assumed you meant that when you said you would elect Dandel when you are 100% sure he is town. Why would you then elect someone who STILL does not do good things over yourself? I know you have said you think Dandel is town, are you 100% sure he is? Because from what i read from your post you would be if he was the lord now. | ||
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On August 10 2013 01:58 Xatalos wrote: Don't tell me you've been lurking and came to the thread just to say this -.- Not to mention that town don't just give up scum reads after being told to do so without reasoning. To be fair that is just what Koshi did in Titanic. He thought me & hzflank were scum, thought noone is gonna believe him (as they didn´t) and said he would vote whoever we would.. | ||
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On August 10 2013 01:18 Sharrant wrote: I was briefly around yesterday, so I concentrated on PMs with Acro while I was reading the thread. I have not PM'ed anyone in quite some time as I have not been around. I should be here on and off up until the deadline. There's been some talk of killing Kush. Kush and I have talked very little, but his attitude struck me as matching his town meta to a T. Obviously I can't quote the pm, but he openly admitted to being completely clueless about how teh game is operating/what had happened within our house during n0, while still having a big attitude about it. I'm conflicted on this, because on one hand in smurf I could easily tell he was town, and pretty much everyone else could. But on the other hand he still got mislynched at LyLo and did not contribue meaningfully to the game. I don't want him alive at LyLo again, but he is very likely town. I've been playing with Kush since my first game on TL, and I think I've gotten him right about 80% of the time. That said, I understand and even sympathize with wanting to kill him at this point. But I personally can't do so because I am relatively sure he's town, and town is town regardless of whether they're playing poorly or not. The only thing giving me any doubt is this: Does anyone know if Kush uses the term 'fag' or 'fags' at all? I'm not confident enough to name anyone as scum until I've read the thread a few more times. Most of the big incidents in the thread are cookie cutter from other games I've played. Rayne twisting words around was exactly what he did to me until we both figured each other out as town in the last game we played. Oatsmaster and Yamato's fight earlier was also cookie cutter from the last game I was in with them, however a few things stuck out to me as different about both of them in this case. I will be starting to read through their exchange again. Does anyone else have specific things they think I should read or that they want opinions on? I would like you to tell me who do you think is mafia. I also would like you to tell me how have i been twisting people´s words in this game as you seem to imply i have done so? | ||
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