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On August 09 2013 22:38 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:33 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 09 2013 22:21 Xatalos wrote:On August 09 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:On August 09 2013 05:28 Acrofales wrote:Hrmmm, playing a game of elimination, Vivax is the remaining member of House Stark. On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural. Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere. On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:
Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it:
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koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno. Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far. 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread. This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3). 4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion. I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two. This seems like a really strange soft-defense of Oatsmaster. Either he was completely oblivious to the goings on in his own house, or he had a town read based on that. I am confused about why he stood up to defend Oatsmaster's honor: he's not calling Koshi scum based on it, in fact there are no conclusions at all. With the knowledge that he had already talked to Oats in private this just looks like a baseless soft-defense of a house member who it seems he should have been suspicious of. Anybody from House Stark (or Vivax himself) want to elaborate on Vivax's role in the internal politicking? Vivax, why did you make this soft-defense post of Oats? I'm not sure how you call it a soft defense when I was curious about Koshi's rather faulty reasoning for calling Oats scum. Is it a soft defense of the guy attacked by a case when you suspect the maker of the case? I'll be blunt about Oats, I have no reason to think he's scum at the moment. I still have to catch up a good bit, and I'm interested into knowing the points of view of the lords, or if you were so nice to point it out quickly, where it has been posted. Who are the lords' targets? Which lords are trying to push their preferences the most? How will you reach an agreement? @ OberynOn August 09 2013 03:53 Oberyn wrote:
Dandel is playing thread bully and I'm strongly considering switching my vote to put him in time out. Nearly every player (koshi, sol, s&B, risen) that has brought up suspicion of dandel, he has responded by attacking their abilities and suggesting that they could be scum. This is extremely indicative of mafia play.
Could the Lannisters explain to me why they felt iamp was the best choice as Lord? I feel your interest into Dandel ebbed out very quickly, I'm curious to hear about the development of your read so far. With Acrofales entering the scene Dandel seemed to be forgotten for you (you mention him when questioning s0lstice's read, but you don't push him, or confront him with questions), although you called his behaviour out as extremely scummy. Another matter I would want to know about is your judgment on Koshi. You like to mention Dandel frequently and acknowledged that Koshi might have been overreacting but I didn't see a judgment on Koshi yet from you. I for one am still suspicious of his attack on Oats and his inactivity at the moment. That said, it would be interesting to know who the lords are considering for kp-lynch. An agreement is needed soon. Is Oberyn really unfamiliar with DI's meta? Why would he even cast suspicion on him in the first place - much less without pushing that stance at all? No, but he sure would like to act like it. Just to be clear, does this mean that I'm maliciously trying to make you look bad as a potential mislynch or that I'm just casting suspicion on you for personal amusement? Just to be clear, have you, or have you not ever seen one of my towngames?
Yes sir.
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On August 09 2013 22:41 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:40 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 22:38 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 09 2013 22:33 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 09 2013 22:21 Xatalos wrote:On August 09 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:On August 09 2013 05:28 Acrofales wrote:Hrmmm, playing a game of elimination, Vivax is the remaining member of House Stark. On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:
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1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit".
2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20.
3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread.
4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice.
Here is my first real scumread. This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3). 4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion. I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two. This seems like a really strange soft-defense of Oatsmaster. Either he was completely oblivious to the goings on in his own house, or he had a town read based on that. I am confused about why he stood up to defend Oatsmaster's honor: he's not calling Koshi scum based on it, in fact there are no conclusions at all. With the knowledge that he had already talked to Oats in private this just looks like a baseless soft-defense of a house member who it seems he should have been suspicious of. Anybody from House Stark (or Vivax himself) want to elaborate on Vivax's role in the internal politicking? Vivax, why did you make this soft-defense post of Oats? I'm not sure how you call it a soft defense when I was curious about Koshi's rather faulty reasoning for calling Oats scum. Is it a soft defense of the guy attacked by a case when you suspect the maker of the case? I'll be blunt about Oats, I have no reason to think he's scum at the moment. I still have to catch up a good bit, and I'm interested into knowing the points of view of the lords, or if you were so nice to point it out quickly, where it has been posted. Who are the lords' targets? Which lords are trying to push their preferences the most? How will you reach an agreement? @ OberynOn August 09 2013 03:53 Oberyn wrote:
Dandel is playing thread bully and I'm strongly considering switching my vote to put him in time out. Nearly every player (koshi, sol, s&B, risen) that has brought up suspicion of dandel, he has responded by attacking their abilities and suggesting that they could be scum. This is extremely indicative of mafia play.
Could the Lannisters explain to me why they felt iamp was the best choice as Lord? I feel your interest into Dandel ebbed out very quickly, I'm curious to hear about the development of your read so far. With Acrofales entering the scene Dandel seemed to be forgotten for you (you mention him when questioning s0lstice's read, but you don't push him, or confront him with questions), although you called his behaviour out as extremely scummy. Another matter I would want to know about is your judgment on Koshi. You like to mention Dandel frequently and acknowledged that Koshi might have been overreacting but I didn't see a judgment on Koshi yet from you. I for one am still suspicious of his attack on Oats and his inactivity at the moment. That said, it would be interesting to know who the lords are considering for kp-lynch. An agreement is needed soon. Is Oberyn really unfamiliar with DI's meta? Why would he even cast suspicion on him in the first place - much less without pushing that stance at all? No, but he sure would like to act like it. Just to be clear, does this mean that I'm maliciously trying to make you look bad as a potential mislynch or that I'm just casting suspicion on you for personal amusement? Just to be clear, have you, or have you not ever seen one of my towngames? Yes sir. So why do you act like you didn't?
If you're playing scummy, saying "hey guys look at my old games, I always play scummy" isn't a valid excuse. I'm not a huge meta fan either. If you're incapable of emulating your town play as scum, then you're not very good scum player.
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On August 09 2013 22:44 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:42 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 22:41 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 09 2013 22:40 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 22:38 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 09 2013 22:33 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 09 2013 22:21 Xatalos wrote:On August 09 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:On August 09 2013 05:28 Acrofales wrote:
Hrmmm, playing a game of elimination, Vivax is the remaining member of House Stark.
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This seems like a really strange soft-defense of Oatsmaster. Either he was completely oblivious to the goings on in his own house, or he had a town read based on that. I am confused about why he stood up to defend Oatsmaster's honor: he's not calling Koshi scum based on it, in fact there are no conclusions at all. With the knowledge that he had already talked to Oats in private this just looks like a baseless soft-defense of a house member who it seems he should have been suspicious of.
Anybody from House Stark (or Vivax himself) want to elaborate on Vivax's role in the internal politicking? Vivax, why did you make this soft-defense post of Oats? I'm not sure how you call it a soft defense when I was curious about Koshi's rather faulty reasoning for calling Oats scum. Is it a soft defense of the guy attacked by a case when you suspect the maker of the case? I'll be blunt about Oats, I have no reason to think he's scum at the moment. I still have to catch up a good bit, and I'm interested into knowing the points of view of the lords, or if you were so nice to point it out quickly, where it has been posted. Who are the lords' targets? Which lords are trying to push their preferences the most? How will you reach an agreement? @ OberynOn August 09 2013 03:53 Oberyn wrote:
Dandel is playing thread bully and I'm strongly considering switching my vote to put him in time out. Nearly every player (koshi, sol, s&B, risen) that has brought up suspicion of dandel, he has responded by attacking their abilities and suggesting that they could be scum. This is extremely indicative of mafia play.
Could the Lannisters explain to me why they felt iamp was the best choice as Lord? I feel your interest into Dandel ebbed out very quickly, I'm curious to hear about the development of your read so far. With Acrofales entering the scene Dandel seemed to be forgotten for you (you mention him when questioning s0lstice's read, but you don't push him, or confront him with questions), although you called his behaviour out as extremely scummy. Another matter I would want to know about is your judgment on Koshi. You like to mention Dandel frequently and acknowledged that Koshi might have been overreacting but I didn't see a judgment on Koshi yet from you. I for one am still suspicious of his attack on Oats and his inactivity at the moment. That said, it would be interesting to know who the lords are considering for kp-lynch. An agreement is needed soon. Is Oberyn really unfamiliar with DI's meta? Why would he even cast suspicion on him in the first place - much less without pushing that stance at all? No, but he sure would like to act like it. Just to be clear, does this mean that I'm maliciously trying to make you look bad as a potential mislynch or that I'm just casting suspicion on you for personal amusement? Just to be clear, have you, or have you not ever seen one of my towngames? Yes sir. So why do you act like you didn't? If you're playing scummy, saying "hey guys look at my old games, I always play scummy" isn't a valid excuse. I'm not a huge meta fan either. If you're incapable of emulating your town play as scum, then you're not very good scum player. I'm not even playing scummy, you're just imagining that. Yes, I'm a bad scum player. That's what I keep telling people...
Don't worry. I can give you some tips post game if you ask nicely.
On August 09 2013 22:44 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:17 jrkirby wrote:
Also, I have a hunch that DI and Koshi are both town, and they're kinda "OMGUSing" each other. Often people who think they're really good at scumhunting spend a lot of time accusing people who are town and tunneling, and have confirmation bias when they're actually right. Scum are less likely to do this kinda tunneling. Oberyn, what do you think of this?
jrkirby hasn't set off any red flags yet in PMs, though similar to Acro, I question how they come to the both town conclusion so easily. In this case, I'd be more suspicious of Acro, rather than kirby due to experience. Kirby is going to find himself shot if he's not posting in the thread more though.
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Anyways, I've got to work for the next 3-4 hours. I might check the thread once or twice, but I'll try to decide on the lynch and coordinate the night shots when I return.
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In PMs, iamp has been trying to convince me that Sharrant should be the Lord kp target tonight. It is my opinion that a player with zero posts should be handled by the hosts, whether it be replacement or modkill. I do not believe shooting in the dark is the best choice of kp. If you have decided that shooting randomly is the best use of kp, then you shouldn't have a kp.
iamp is arguing that Sharrant is scummy for choosing not to post in the thread. In my experience, I've never a scum player willingly not post in the thread for an entire cycle because they think they can get away with it. Scum or town, there is always an excuse, whether it be personal issues or not caring about the game.
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On August 10 2013 01:18 Sharrant wrote:
I'm not confident enough to name anyone as scum until I've read the thread a few more times.
Does this infer that you have indeed read the thread at least once?
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Someone asked me what I think of clarity and I don't think I ever responded. I didn't really find anything overly scummy with PM interaction on n0. His tunnel of myself was annoying, but I didn't get an anti-town vibe at any point.
Does anyone recall who posted the list of house members?
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I think town should strongly try to influence the Lord elections for day two. I've bolded my preferred Lords. Please post if you disagree with my assessment.
House Tyrell:
Kushm4sta
johnnywup
Sharrant
Acrofales
Is it terrible that I'm picking the guy with one post? kush is a martyr so I wouldn't consider him. johnny is suspicious to several players, although I haven't spent much time on him yet and I have a scum read on Acro. I wish we had one of Dandel's house nukes.
House Greyjoy
raynpelikoneet
FirmTofu
Nachomamma8
Risen
I'm content with rayn staying as Lord based on activity.
House Stark
strongandbig
Clarity_nl
Oatsmaster
Vivax
This was a tough choice since most of these individuals are townish null. I'd like to see s&b's play today before making a final decision on this one.
House Lannister
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Gumshoe
Xatalos appears more town to me than iamp thus far. I don't like iamp's preferred house kp target and he hasn't done enough in the thread.
House Baratheon
Chromatically
Koshi
S0lstice
Dandel Ion
I would be pretty opposed to any of the other three at this point. Chrom has been pretty active in PMs.
House Martell
Oberyn
jrkirby
yamato77
Onegu
I feel I've been the most active among my house and I know my own alignment.
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On August 10 2013 03:04 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 03:03 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 10 2013 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dandel talk to me about my lynch targets. Also what makes jrkirby the best lynch? because the gods said 19, obviously. stop it
I might just go troll hunting tonight because I can.
On August 10 2013 02:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why are you posting that more than 48 hours until we have to vote Oberyn?
Seems like useless fluff to me.
About 10 hours and silent nights.
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Does anyone disagree with the Lords splitting the house kp between 2 targets with 3 kp a piece?
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On August 10 2013 03:13 Xatalos wrote:
Is jrkirby really scum?
I'd be opposed to his lynch right now.
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On August 10 2013 03:14 Sharrant wrote:
I don't think Acrofales has ever had any intention of using the house health check.
Acro told me that he informed you that he intended to use his hp check and hadn't heard back.
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On August 10 2013 03:15 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 03:14 Sharrant wrote:
I don't think Acrofales has ever had any intention of using the house health check. Acro told me that he informed you that he intended to use his hp check and hadn't heard back.
In fact, I think you were the one he said that talked him out of it.
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On August 10 2013 03:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:47 Oberyn wrote:
jrkirby hasn't set off any red flags yet in PMs, though similar to Acro, I question how they come to the both town conclusion so easily. In this case, I'd be more suspicious of Acro, rather than kirby due to experience. Kirby is going to find himself shot if he's not posting in the thread more though. Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 03:14 Oberyn wrote:On August 10 2013 03:13 Xatalos wrote:
Is jrkirby really scum? I'd be opposed to his lynch right now. He did not post more. You don't want to shoot him. I know of him that he's a newbie and as such he might not know how to play most efficiently, and what the game's "meta" is, but I don't really like how you argue about his alignment. When you don't know how they reach the conclusion, you simply base it on their experience if it's scummy or not. Then you only try to judge kirby on the amount of his posts, but also say "he's going to find himself shot". You make it sound as if you wouldn't want to be the guy pulling the trigger but could understand if someone did. He didn't post more, but now you openly oppose it. If you got any extended read from your PMs with him it would be the time to share it, and an opinion from you on his in-thread post would help as well. If you had to shoot someone right now, who would it be?
jrkirby has recently informed me that he has internet problems. I don't have such an anti-town read that I'd want to lynch him over everyone else.
If I had to shoot, it would probably be yamato. With a lynch between Acro/sol.
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On August 10 2013 03:39 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +
On a side note, I mentioned to Acro that I was going to make a case against yamato and was wondering if he would be willing to support me. After being afk in PMs for the first 48 hours, yamato suddenly opens up and is interested in talking. He also feels necessary to call me town and post in the thread explaining his inactivity. I don't want to make a connection read without either player flipped, but it is something to consider later on.
What's his explanation of inactivity we don't see in the thread?
He just said I haven't had time and then last night he said he was watching dota, but would be around all night.
On August 10 2013 03:39 Vivax wrote:
I'm mainly curious about it cause both yammo and kirby seem to have rl reasons for their inactivity and you present jkirby's reasons and buy them but keep the yammo matter rather under the rug.
kirby seems to have a legitimate excuse, while yamato does not.
kirby was also willing to discuss things in pms on n0 while yamato was not.
Essentially yamato made no effort to try to determine my alignment on n0. He asked once for us to vote for him (I'm pretty sure he only asked 2/3 of us) and then randomly decided to vote for me.
I asked him several questions and he said the Lord vote is the only thing that matters. He pushed off my questions until later, yet never attempted to discuss the Lord voting in much detail.
I asked him about the DI/koshi/sol situation and he wanted to wait and see, but he disagreed with my vote on sol so early. He has only given me one potential scum read, which is S&B, yet he hasn't mentioned him in the thread.
He has never mentioned oats to me in pms or attempted to convince me to vote for him.
He has only one talking point and that came early, early on in the game. I informed him that I was upset with his inactivity, he promised to return to the thread, and he never did.
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On August 10 2013 03:14 Oberyn wrote:
Does anyone disagree with the Lords splitting the house kp between 2 targets with 3 kp a piece?
I disagree with this actually. I think it might have been mentioned elsewhere, but I forgot about it. It is probably better to shoot the same player in order until they flip, then move on to the next player on the list.
Does anyone disagree with this?
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On August 10 2013 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am somewhat back.
Oberyn, why are you so obsessed with Dandel?
He was overconfident from my perspective based on his reads from the beginning of the game. He became a thread bully by attacking anyone that found him suspicious. He attempted to defend his anti-town behavior explaining that he always does so. He called my play "weird/not right" even though he agreed with both of my reads. He pushes koshi the entire cycle and then decides he's going to troll us with a random vote and leave the thread.
On August 10 2013 04:01 s0Lstice wrote:
Oberyn, can you be more specific about what you and Chrom talked about and how/why that affected your read on him?
There isn't really anything specific that I can point to, no. Mainly activity and general agreeance with reads. It's possible he's just playing the Yes Man role, but he seems to have an interest in the lynch to make not look into him any further.
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On August 10 2013 04:03 Risen wrote:
Also, just an idea, but can we consolidate two KP targets within the same house, have a house lord do an HP check on their house, then decide what to do with our KP? I disagreed earlier with the notion of using the house HP check, but for deciding whether to split KP or not it makes things a lot easier to coordinate on which lord shoots who.
I'd be extremely concerned with giving the mafia team an idea of how many kp it takes to kill a player. If they spread out their kp too much, we could have several players live another cycle with 1-2 kp. If they focus their kp too much, they could use more shots than necessary, making it a waste. I wouldn't want to make that public.
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On August 10 2013 04:11 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 04:03 Risen wrote:
Also, just an idea, but can we consolidate two KP targets within the same house, have a house lord do an HP check on their house, then decide what to do with our KP? I disagreed earlier with the notion of using the house HP check, but for deciding whether to split KP or not it makes things a lot easier to coordinate on which lord shoots who. I'd be extremely concerned with giving the mafia team an idea of how many kp it takes to kill a player. If they spread out their kp too much, we could have several players live another cycle with 1-2 kp. If they focus their kp too much, they could use more shots than necessary, making it a waste. I wouldn't want to make that public.
To elaborate...the Lords have the benefit to shoot 1 at a time and have it resolve instantly. From my understanding, the mafia team does not. We should take advantage of that.
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On August 10 2013 04:11 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 04:01 Oberyn wrote:On August 10 2013 03:14 Oberyn wrote:
Does anyone disagree with the Lords splitting the house kp between 2 targets with 3 kp a piece? I disagree with this actually. I think it might have been mentioned elsewhere, but I forgot about it. It is probably better to shoot the same player in order until they flip, then move on to the next player on the list. Does anyone disagree with this? No I agree with that completely.
I feel like I don't really have an understanding of what your reads are. I'd really like to see some sort of list post from you or something. Or at least a couple suggestions who to shoot. Have you tried to push sol further in pms?
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