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On August 14 2013 18:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
Xata did iamp also tell grack this? If not could you explain why?
If so, can you confirm what xata has said grack?
Xata what do you think about my points on s0lstice?
It saddens me that you doubt me  I did tell iamperfection to PM grackaroni in case we both get NK'd, and he probably did, but I'm not sure.
I agree that s0Lstice's interaction with Acro is weird. Like, very hesitant and careful. "I'd like to know though Acro when you get the chance." Then he basically answers nothing and s0Lstice is very satisfied. It didn't look like he was truly pursuing answers from Acro. Does this make him scum? Not necessarily, but it looks pretty bad.
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Koshi, could you explain why there is a mole in House Lannister because 3 townies died?
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On August 14 2013 19:53 Dandel Ion wrote:
koshi going balls on kirby is interesting though, considering it's pretty unlikely he's scum.
Which of them is unlikely scum?
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On August 14 2013 19:40 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 19:32 Xatalos wrote:
Koshi, could you explain why there is a mole in House Lannister because 3 townies died? No, I wonder why the lords didn't shoot anybody. My entire case against iamp was based on the fact that there was a scum in the Lannister House and he didn't see it because there was a "vigilante". So after todays flip: Didn't the lords and this "vigilante" pick a target? If the lords picked a target, then there is a mole in the Lannisters and no vigilante.
You have to consider the fact that Ace was the primary target and iamperfection said there was some confusion about the secondary target, so it's not for certain that all KP went to Kush. Kush might also have more KP than gumshoe for all we know. I basically just disagree about your conclusion.
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*Kush might have more HP than gumshoe
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On August 14 2013 20:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 20:04 Xatalos wrote:On August 14 2013 19:40 Koshi wrote:On August 14 2013 19:32 Xatalos wrote:
Koshi, could you explain why there is a mole in House Lannister because 3 townies died? No, I wonder why the lords didn't shoot anybody. My entire case against iamp was based on the fact that there was a scum in the Lannister House and he didn't see it because there was a "vigilante". So after todays flip: Didn't the lords and this "vigilante" pick a target? If the lords picked a target, then there is a mole in the Lannisters and no vigilante. You have to consider the fact that Ace was the primary target and iamperfection said there was some confusion about the secondary target, so it's not for certain that all KP went to Kush. Kush might also have more KP than gumshoe for all we know. I basically just disagree about your conclusion. 1) HOW could I consider that Ace was the primary target? 2) HOW could the Lords consider Ace was the primary target? (like as if Ace would play so bad as scum that he would get killed after 1 day? Seriously?) So wait? Lords thought that Kirby was actually not even a target? WHAT? 1. Ace 2. Kush 3. CONFUSION EVERYWHERE Above was the killlist for the Lords?
More like
1. Ace
2. Kush & confusion everywhere
According to iamperfection.
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How can an HP check even be roleblocked? It's not a night action, it's an instant action usable at any time.
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Ahhhhhhh nevermind me. I'm dumb. It was a role action and not a Lord action. Dumb me.
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Sharrant why did you decide to check iamperfection? He was pretty much the most likely NK.
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On August 14 2013 21:35 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos Could you comment on kirby??? Why are you ignoring this?
The PM land is truly wonderful and I've been lost in there for a while.
If you read my filter it should be clear to you that jrkirby was radiating scum with his every post. That doesn't really take any more analysis. But what do you think of Mocsta? Has his play been scummy so far? I don't really think so, although I still want to lynch him for succeeding jrkirby. I'm waiting for Mocsta to really convince me or his head will roll regardless of appearing somewhat townish lately.
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On August 14 2013 22:28 Vivax wrote:Xatalos, the most recent reasoning for lynching Risen I found is this: Show nested quote +I think snb might actually be town because I had this exact same thought (although less fleshed out) just a bit earlier. Risen's first post was so bad and yet so much effort was put in it. After that... Almost nothing. No follow-up to his first post or anything. No pushing his reads. There's a clear difference between the effort in his first post and everything after that.
Give me an updated bullet list of your points against him please, there's much more to go with than just the quantity of his posts in the beginning. While you're at it, give me a reason for me being scum that hasn't to do with activity, cause that's probably the reason 99 % in here have for thinking I'm scum. You're just skating by and targeting popular lynch targets, the latest case you wrote was on jkirby, and that was upon Acrofales' request.
You're clearly not reading very closely. That was just my second post against Risen, with almost the same content as the first one. I had more after that, like his contradictory statements about his scumreads on me and DI (and also his push for Sharrant didn't feel right, nor his faulty logic with his original accusations and how he never followed up on them).
iamperfection initially got me suspicious of you. Here's a summary of his opinions (from the last will post):
"Vivax- so i reread what he posted after i told him i think he is scum. Fucker still has not had a single strong push the entire game. vivax should be leading the town or fighting me if im wrong about sompething he simply does not care what is going on and isnt trying to catch scum. He does this because he is scum"
Basically, lack of genuine effort, pushing, involvement... Not just lack of activity. Lynchworthy for sure.
After some PM'ing with Clarity I'm not as confident in Risen being scum anymore. He's generally crazy and it's hard to distinguish between crazy town and crazy scum. Maybe his faulty logic is explained by his general lack of logical thinking. For now it might be a better idea to lynch you, s0Lstice, snb or Mocsta (unless he keeps up his clear effort, which isn't very easy to do as scum).
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On August 14 2013 23:46 Sharrant wrote:
Fucking phone ate my post. Here we go again.
@SnB
I was very confident in my read on acro, but I'm not stupid. I used my claim to confirm we had the same thought process, we did. The lie was to cover my ass if he was mafia.
Why wouldn't he shoot me? It's likely that mafia have some sort of framing mechanic in play. If he could guide me to a framed target either:
A) I give a green check on a mafia and give him town cred and if he ever dies I likely get lynched immediately. No shot needed for my death and if I flip before the mafia he gets cred to last to lylo.
B) I give a red check on a townie. He gets lynched. I get lynched. Town Just lost two lynches, and scum are free to shoot whoever they please.
On top of that I have the ability to pm two other people. He has to assume I told them to lynch him if I was rb'ed or killed. (i didn't though, because if either of them were mafia it could get both of us killed if he's town and johnny or kush was scum. He would have had to gamble either way, but one is safer and has higher reward and that option is framing.
I agree with this logic actually. Acro as scum wouldn't probably expect to be fooled with the check target (since you already told him you were a Cop) and it would be so much better to frame your target than kill you. In addition, if you told anyone else that you were going to tell Acro, it would cast too much doubt on Acro to kill you then (since there wouldn't really have been any other reason to kill you).
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Which means that regardless of Acro's alignment, Sharran't behaviour makes sense from a town perspective.
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On August 15 2013 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 23:59 strongandbig wrote:On August 14 2013 23:57 Xatalos wrote:On August 14 2013 23:46 Sharrant wrote:
Fucking phone ate my post. Here we go again.
@SnB
I was very confident in my read on acro, but I'm not stupid. I used my claim to confirm we had the same thought process, we did. The lie was to cover my ass if he was mafia.
Why wouldn't he shoot me? It's likely that mafia have some sort of framing mechanic in play. If he could guide me to a framed target either:
A) I give a green check on a mafia and give him town cred and if he ever dies I likely get lynched immediately. No shot needed for my death and if I flip before the mafia he gets cred to last to lylo.
B) I give a red check on a townie. He gets lynched. I get lynched. Town Just lost two lynches, and scum are free to shoot whoever they please.
On top of that I have the ability to pm two other people. He has to assume I told them to lynch him if I was rb'ed or killed. (i didn't though, because if either of them were mafia it could get both of us killed if he's town and johnny or kush was scum. He would have had to gamble either way, but one is safer and has higher reward and that option is framing. I agree with this logic actually. Acro as scum wouldn't probably expect to be fooled with the check target (since you already told him you were a Cop) and it would be so much better to frame your target than kill you. In addition, if you told anyone else that you were going to tell Acro, it would cast too much doubt on Acro to kill you then (since there wouldn't really have been any other reason to kill you). yeah agreed this is a more decent reasoning than i'd expected. ofc if scum dont have a framer and acro is scum then you're dead. but that makes two "if your read/setup speculation is wrong" rather than one and i'm more comfortable with accepting this as town reasoning. lol, the whole thing Sharrant is saying relies on the fact that there is a framer, and you don't want to setup speculate??!?!?!?
Not completely. If there is no framer (possible), then Sharrant might still have told someone else. That means either that person or Acro is scum if Sharrant dies. Much, much more dangerous for Acro than letting Sharrant live (ESPECIALLY when he thought he knew who Sharrant was targeting and maybe it wasn't scum).
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On August 14 2013 23:24 strongandbig wrote:
Scum killed three people who were going to be lords Day 2. Oatsmaster very odd choice otherwise IMO, he didnt breadcrumb afaik and I don't think he was readable as blue. Also 3/3 too much to be coincidence.
at least 1 of those people (oats) were not going to be lords today cause we elected clarity.
It seems likely scum was finishing off the people they split KP onto night 1. Makes me think they did not know the hp check before choosing their KP. Killing lords a possible scum tactic to produce confusion among town, disrupt "town circle" of lord pms. Possible that kill on gumshoe really did come from town vig instead of mole giving scum the hp checks.
I actually came to the same conclusion that scum were probably splitting KP between 3 players. Maybe they underestimated the amount of KP needed to kill someone.
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On August 14 2013 22:31 Koshi wrote:Mocsta just won that micro mafia game as scum, you can judge his opponents yourself. He is not going to be catched as easily like jrkirby. But look at how he reacts when I say that jkirby his posting looks like scum. Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 18:42 Mocsta wrote:
koshi, that's so so Wong on so many levels.
why?
1. why does a list post with yam at the bottom prove me scum? lol, so town can't have town reads on scum? is this what you are saying? if so, we should have lynched oats if he was alive.
2.why is asking a question about HP, alignment indicative?
3. clarity already nailed my summary post and why your interpretation appears far fetched.
this is why ver caught you koshi. nothing to do with actions or questions, but rather motive and intent.
instead of trying to understand why someone is doing something, you are looking for non-kosher actions and trying to spin them as scummily as you can.
its why I read you as scum early game and quickly coming back to the same realisation. Not fucking only does he says that jrkirby his posting is not scummy at all. He calls me scum (I was null before) for not seeing that kirby was obvious town. Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 20:34 Mocsta wrote:
hmmm..
we are in a tough predicament as there is an abundance of choice for the lynch me thinks.
Contenders
(1) Koshi: His points on me feel as forced as with Oats, however, for some reason he has really dialed up the tryhard factor.
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(2) Risen: 'Nuff said.
Awaiting More Info
(1) Solstice: Need this guy to respond
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(2) Chromatically: Everyone keeps saying he is town based on PMs... I want to hear him respond before giving that any credence.
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(3) Rayn: Like Koshi, is going out of his way to throw tarnish my reputation this game (sullied by my former, kirby)
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Xatalos, I might post the pms I had with Oberyn (paraphrased blah blah), where we discuss Iamp a bit later on. Hopefully that will settle any lingering doubt. BAM. Koshi or Risen. Because jrkirby was obv town guys! Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 15:08 Mocsta wrote:On August 14 2013 15:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are lynching Vivax today. Last I checjed. U r not lord. Chromatically >>> vivax Ok this last quote is nitpicking. But where does Mocsta get the fucking authority to shush Rayn???? Mocsta isn't even fucking a Lord himself. LIKE WTF? Also read how Mocsta discribes rayn in his list, can you be more wishy-washy?
I agree that Mocsta isn't quite in the clear. But I don't think he should be our lynch today. Clearly he has lots to give to the discussion and even if he's scum, he's benefiting town anyway (giving us new information especially if he flips scum).
At the moment I'm not as sure about Risen as I used to be. Same with jrkirby/Mocsta. That leaves me with iamperfection's last will (and overall scummy avoider of genuine town play) - Vivax.
##Vote Vivax
Other reasonable contenders are s0Lstice and snb. There's certainly scum in this lurky group and we're about to find out today.
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On August 15 2013 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 00:07 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 14 2013 23:59 strongandbig wrote:On August 14 2013 23:57 Xatalos wrote:On August 14 2013 23:46 Sharrant wrote:
Fucking phone ate my post. Here we go again.
@SnB
I was very confident in my read on acro, but I'm not stupid. I used my claim to confirm we had the same thought process, we did. The lie was to cover my ass if he was mafia.
Why wouldn't he shoot me? It's likely that mafia have some sort of framing mechanic in play. If he could guide me to a framed target either:
A) I give a green check on a mafia and give him town cred and if he ever dies I likely get lynched immediately. No shot needed for my death and if I flip before the mafia he gets cred to last to lylo.
B) I give a red check on a townie. He gets lynched. I get lynched. Town Just lost two lynches, and scum are free to shoot whoever they please.
On top of that I have the ability to pm two other people. He has to assume I told them to lynch him if I was rb'ed or killed. (i didn't though, because if either of them were mafia it could get both of us killed if he's town and johnny or kush was scum. He would have had to gamble either way, but one is safer and has higher reward and that option is framing. I agree with this logic actually. Acro as scum wouldn't probably expect to be fooled with the check target (since you already told him you were a Cop) and it would be so much better to frame your target than kill you. In addition, if you told anyone else that you were going to tell Acro, it would cast too much doubt on Acro to kill you then (since there wouldn't really have been any other reason to kill you). yeah agreed this is a more decent reasoning than i'd expected. ofc if scum dont have a framer and acro is scum then you're dead. but that makes two "if your read/setup speculation is wrong" rather than one and i'm more comfortable with accepting this as town reasoning. lol, the whole thing Sharrant is saying relies on the fact that there is a framer, and you don't want to setup speculate??!?!?!? Not completely. If there is no framer (possible), then Sharrant might still have told someone else. That means either that person or Acro is scum if Sharrant dies. Much, much more dangerous for Acro than letting Sharrant live (ESPECIALLY when he thought he knew who Sharrant was targeting and maybe it wasn't scum). Then why was Sharrant not roleblocked? Why would roleblocking Sharrant incriminate Acrofales? What makes you think mafia thought you/Clarity/both were more likely to be blue than Sharrant (in case he is town - he was really... i do not know what the English word is.. i felt like he was not telling everything he knew in thread)? After his one shot cop reveal he has continued to be like that. I would really like to hear who is he PMing with besides his house. And for what reasons. Also Xata, what was the sudden change of mind in your read on Acro, and your bullshit attack on me? Also what do you have to say about my case on Mocsta.
A roleblock would incriminate Acro almost (not quite) as much as a NK on Sharrant. Besides, Acro thought he knew (he had no reason to doubt it at least) who Sharrant was checking. If there was a framer, he could just frame. If not, maybe the target wasn't scum (WIFOM time). Who did Sharrant tell Acro he was targeting anyway...? By the way I'm not saying Acro is scum, just considering the possibility.
My interactions with Acro during D2 felt more like a town vs town argument than town vs scum. We competed on scumhunting, analysing the game, reads and logic. Not something scum would be glad to participate in.
I had had a small, lingering suspicion of you for a long time. Basically it boils down to you not giving me the same towny feeling you gave immediately in NWM. Maybe it has to do with our lack of interaction, but still, you had been so focused on fruitless details rather than relevant scumhunting. You could say it was gut feeling + your weird lack of genuine scumhunting.
Mocsta is far from being in the clear, but as I mentioned earlier, I think he's not the best lynch for today.
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On August 15 2013 00:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos, i feel a bit offended for your response. I feel like i have done more scumhunting and tried to get shit done on D1 over any other person (barring iamp at the end of D1). On D2 as i have explained why i didn't do much, i didn't have to. yamato was gonna die. I have shared all my reads with Risen on N2 (and at that time i did not know Ace was gonna get modkilled) so they would have been in thread on D3 anyways (or i would have been dead, which proves i am town).
Can you expand on "not focusing on scumhunting"? Show me some examples.
Also you did not explain why you agree with your scumread Acro immediately on his case on me (which was btw bullshit).
iamperfection kept telling me that Acro was town (and with some good reasoning). When we started arguing, my read on Acro was closer to a nullread than a scumread. As we kept arguing, I started to think more and more that he might be town after all. His case on you awakened the lingering suspicion I had had on you for much longer, but never actually pushed. I'm not saying that you're likely scum. I'm just saying that you're not nearly as likely town as in NWM. Even iamperfection reduced his strong townread of you close to a nullread after D2.
"On D2 as i have explained why i didn't do much, i didn't have to."
That has to be the most scummy statement I've seen all game.............
You've done some scumhunting, but I doubt I'll have to show you why a disturbing amount of your filter is just utterly useless questioning and arguing.
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On August 15 2013 00:43 Dandel Ion wrote:
Did somebody call for a dick measuring contest?
I think so.
It's weird that you're not participating for once 
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On August 15 2013 00:50 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 00:50 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 00:43 Dandel Ion wrote:
Did somebody call for a dick measuring contest?
I think so. It's weird that you're not participating for once I already won mine.
s0Lstice might disagree 
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