EPTDo you?
No?
Well then let me introduce you. My name is Captain Jack Sparrow, and I will be captain of this ship because I feel like it.
What? Why can't I be captain? Bloody bastards.
If I cannot be captain, I will join you for the ride.
/in
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Do you? No? Well then let me introduce you. My name is Captain Jack Sparrow, and I will be captain of this ship because I feel like it. What? Why can't I be captain? Bloody bastards. If I cannot be captain, I will join you for the ride. /in | ||
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Do you really think real pirates say ahoy? And yes, I was not very sure what to pick for my tag. My father (Keith Richards, have you heard of him?) is originally from England but I never really saw him after my 7th birthday. He killed me mum and shrunk her head. I think our family has a few issues to work out. But yes, Tortuga has always been my home and apparently after searching it's location on google, it was part of the Bahamas. | ||
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On July 26 2013 09:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I am offended at your criticism of my vocabulary. I say ahoy all the time, and I've seeded over 39 gigabytes this month. I am instantly perplexed upon hearing the word "seeded" and have come to the conclusion that I have no freaking clue what you are talking about. But really, no actual pirate says "AHOY". Have you been watching too much of those "Pirate Reality Shows"? | ||
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Only a fool would Pirate Reality Shows...and only a special kind of stupid would pirate Pirate Realty Shows... | ||
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On July 26 2013 09:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I THOUGHT THEY WERE ORDERING ME TO PIRATE THEM DON'T JUDGE ME Which Captain ordered you to pirate them? It definitely was not one of mine. I swear. | ||
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Oh really? Captain Morgan is one of the people who do not think I am a slimy bastard. Silly naïve boy. However, he does make good rum. He would not make a good pirate but if he figures out a way to make more of that rum, he would be welcomed on Tortuga with open arms. | ||
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On July 26 2013 10:08 Clarity_nl wrote: Before I roll scum and look scummy saying it, I am policy lynching roleplayers! However, if you think about it, don't we all get roles? That means you wish to lynch every single player who plays this game and to be honest, I don't think your policy will...stay afloat. If you know what I mean. | ||
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On July 26 2013 10:08 Clarity_nl wrote: Before I roll scum and look scummy saying it, I am policy lynching roleplayers! | ||
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On July 27 2013 01:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: If we can get five warm bodies in the next , would nobody be opposed to starting the game at that point? Yes, that would be lovely. I will get the rum. | ||
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On July 27 2013 01:52 Clarity_nl wrote: The rum is gone, and yeah that'd be fine by me sentinel | ||
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On July 27 2013 06:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: To make it slightly easier on the Europeans without discomforting the Australasians too much, would anyone have a problem with moving the deadline up 2 hours to 00:00 GMT (+00:00)? I'll be drunk either way so I don't really care. | ||
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##Captain: Captain Jack Sparrow I promise you that good things will happen if you all do this. What could go wrong? I'm Captain Jack Sparrow! On another note, lynching a lurker sounds like a great plan if we all want to get thrown off the boat. I don't want to get thrown off the boat, I'm a wanted man in the water, and it's always really cold, and there's no rum. But worse of all, there is no rum out in the middle of nowhere. So I think Oatsmaster has to try a bit harder to come up with a half-functioning plan. | ||
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If you think those teeth are bad, then you've never been to Tortuga. | ||
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On July 27 2013 10:38 Paperscraps wrote: ##Captain: Captain Jack Sparrow Hey, there's one! Come on guys, vote me for Captain! Everyone will get free rum! | ||
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On July 27 2013 10:43 Oatsmaster wrote: fuck your rum. I assume you dont want to lynch lurkers then CJS. Why not? Do you think scum will not lurk at all? And do you think all of the scum will lurk? | ||
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On July 27 2013 10:43 Oatsmaster wrote: fuck your rum. I assume you dont want to lynch lurkers then CJS. Why not? Do you think scum will not lurk at all? And do you think all of the lurkers will be scum? That is where your plan is flawed, my friend. | ||
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On July 27 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote: What trap? Like what trap are you talking about? Do you like lurkers in town? CJS, I think that at least 1 or 2 scum will be labeled as a lurker and with only probably 3-4 town, its a much smaller pool to look at as opposed to all 14 people. But how are we going to be able to tell the scum lurkers from the town lurkers? We should just shoot them all! Or we could get them drunk and get them to admit to being bad. Does this plan sound better? Also: ##Captain: Captain Jack Sparrow Please and thank you. | ||
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On July 27 2013 11:32 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont trust you. Bad stuff happens around you.. We differentiate the scum lurkers from the town lurkers by reading their posts. But if they lurk and don't post, how will we be able to tell the difference? And nothing bad happens around me. Who am I? | ||
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On July 27 2013 11:35 Oatsmaster wrote: There isnt a difference between lurking and not posting. There is a difference between high effort low post count and low effort low post count. But what if THAY ALL have little effort and little post count. And you forgot to answer my question. Who am I? | ||
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On July 27 2013 11:57 Oatsmaster wrote: If you purposely post random useless shit then its not random is it? Its just useless shit. Scum! I see one! ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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On July 27 2013 12:05 VayneAuthority wrote: Now that we established that I am confirmed town, clarity_nl is pretty obvious mafia. He joined teamliquid on Tuesday, 8th of November 2011. He wants to force a NL. His posts will provide stunning insight and clarity into the minds of the mafia. Because he is the mafia. He is even the 3rd person on the list of players and we are looking at a 4 man scum team. That's no coincidence. Prove me wrong. ##vote: Clarity_nl Logic tells me that we should all bow down to this idiot. Good thing I don't listen to logic. It annoys me to no end. | ||
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On July 27 2013 12:00 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Scum! I see one! ##Vote: Oatsmaster My vote still stands, and I believe that it is the correct one for this situation. Oatsmaster is acting like scum. He is refusing to give us any decent information whatsoever, just mucking up the thread with sarcastic one-liners and not giving us any insight on his opinions or anything. He is the perfect example of scum trying to blend in and be in the conversation, yet his words hold no meaning and are merely just filler. If you take them out, his filter is left with: On July 25 2013 21:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Normal or not man /in And that, my friends, is not someone I want to give rum to. | ||
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On July 27 2013 23:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Oats isn't blending in, he's sticking out like a sore thumb. Whether that makes it more or less likely that he's scum I'm not sure yet. But leave your vote where it is, all good, but please give us some opinions other than those on oats. Let me put it this way: If I had a gun with one bullet, I would shoot Oatsmaster. For reasons already given. If I had a gun with two bullets, I would shoot Oatsmaster and VayneAuthority. "Why VayneAuthority?" you ask? Well, I will tell you. His first few posts were, in other words, utterly useless shit. He then goes to make a vote post on you, Clarity_nl, which is, in other words, utterly useless shit. The rest of his filter is one liners and, in other words, utterly useless shit. So VayneAuthority has been playing, in other words, like utterly useless shit. | ||
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##Captain: Captain Jack Sparrow Do it, you know you want to. | ||
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On July 27 2013 23:19 justanothertownie wrote: ##Captain: Captain Jack Sparrow You earned it with your last post. I have to agree with you - Oats and Vayne both did not post useful things as of now. Good man! Take some rum. | ||
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On July 27 2013 23:21 exarezee wrote: It's a useful post for those who think I'm town and several people do. it's also useful to have a nice concise argument that one of those two is scum for if/when i die and turn up town. My question to you is, why are you trying to highlight posts that make you look town! It doesn't help us find scum if you take a post and run around screaming "Guys! I'm town! This is why!". No. That will earn you a one way ticket into the ocean. Go find us scum, not sit around and proclaim your innocence. It helps no one. The Kraken is hungry, and I don't think it wants to eat me again. But perhaps it would find you tasty... | ||
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On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote: I forgot to address your other point hzflank. I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him. Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum. Then why do you not vote for FirmTofu? You just said that you think they are both scum and that you want to vote for them, but you don't think paperscraps is as scummy as FirmTofu. So your vote should be clear. Why is it not clear to you then? | ||
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On July 27 2013 23:21 exarezee wrote: It's a useful post for those who think I'm town and several people do. it's also useful to have a nice concise argument that one of those two is scum for if/when i die and turn up town. | ||
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On July 27 2013 23:39 exarezee wrote: Are you trolling me? I never said that I think they are both scum. If it was voting deadline right now, I'd vote paper first, and tofu 2nd. I don't think paperscraps is as scumy as FirmTofu. WTF? have you been reading my posts or just making things up in your head. You said that you think at least one of them as scum. So that would mean that you are trying to figure out who is scummier? I bolded two sentences in your post which contradict each other. You would rather vote paperscraps first, but you think FirmTofu is scummier. Am I missing something? | ||
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On July 27 2013 23:36 Oatsmaster wrote: CJS, try harder to give reasoning for your vote other than "ALL YOUR POSTS ARE USELESS" Yeah, tell me how that makes me scum and which posts in particular that made you think that way. I will answer your question with a question: If you had to lynch someone right now, who would it be and why? | ||
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On July 27 2013 23:43 exarezee wrote: That statement that you bolded is WHAT YOU WROTE. It's what I'm giving a WTF to. I did not write that. What are you talking about? You, sir, have not had enough rum. TL is not letting me post so quickly because this account is new, so I will take a 15 minute break. =( | ||
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On July 27 2013 23:50 exarezee wrote: "But you don't think paperscraps is as scummy as FirmTofu." Captain Jack. YOU said this! I don't know where you came up with this idea. I never once stated that I don't think paperscraps is as scummy as FirmTofu. Oh. Looks like I haven't had enough rum. | ||
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On July 28 2013 00:24 VayneAuthority wrote: pretty useless I guess? Vig him if we have one. Don't waste a lynch on him. Would you mind telling us who you think is scum? | ||
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On July 28 2013 00:31 VayneAuthority wrote: Not quite yet. There's no reason to tell, only reason to show in this game as town. No reason to let yourself be manipulated by scum. I only do lists when I think I am about to die at night. So let me get this straight, you don't want to share your scum reads? And you are town because...? | ||
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On July 28 2013 00:22 Vivax wrote: Jack sparrow is annoying and i would like him to get a more serious tone soon. All this bullshitting only helps scum.it was fine at the start but stop now please. That said, let's work towards a better atmosphere please. Also consider lookinespeciallyg at people who post only few.n I will forgive you for saying this misleading statement because you were late to the ship and you are probably tired from having to swim so fast to get on board, but if you look at my filter I have been doing scumhunting. Do not make general statements about my play without looking at my filter. Trust me, I could be a lot more confusing, but I choose not to be. I my words may flow in a different way and my mannerisms may not be completely normal, but I am making my points clear. | ||
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On July 28 2013 00:33 VayneAuthority wrote: Of course. Why would I share all my scumreads? You only need my vote. I'm town because that's what my role PM said. I see you are trying to go for the "so bad I couldn't possibly be scum" technique. That's not going to work here, boy. | ||
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On July 28 2013 00:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause he nitpicks peoples post. He suddenly 180s on a read convinced by a really bad post. He never explains how papers is scum cause of that, just points out 'bad' posts without offering any analysis. Oatsmaster, I think you are being very hasty in calling out JAT because he was simply saying that he agreed with my post (and you even quoted the wrong post, well done). He wasn't sheeping off of me, he was simply stating that he agreed with me. There's nothing truly scummy in that. The real reason you called him scum was because he said he agreed with me when I said I thought you were scum. You called him out because you are scared, Oatsmaster, and for no other reason. Why are you so scared to get lynched? | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Also CJS, whos scum then? Right now, I'm leaning towards you being scum. I'm trying to figure out whether Vayne is stupid or scum, and I'm leaning towards stupid. I'd also like to point out that a lot of people have not posted to a satisfactory level, and any one of them could be scum lurking in the shadows. We have quite a ways to go before anyone dies, so a lot of things can change. | ||
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Because your filter is filled with a bunch of nonsense posts. It looks like activity but there's no substance in it. You are also really quick to call JAT scum based off of simply agreeing with my post. Are you blind, by the way? These are things I've already said. The fact that I have to tell you again proves to me that you are not reading the thread, which makes you even scummier. | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:30 Koshi wrote: It's also easy to change styles, I think VA is smart enough to not go "shitposting = I am town", "contentposting = I am scum". I really don't think you can call VA any sort of smart after his last few posts... | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote: justanothertownie, can you point me to scum please? Because you are too lazy to do it yourself? | ||
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@FirmTofu: Why in the bloody hell are you calling my play useless? You're the one who made 6-7 posts at the beginning of the game and then said "peace out". You are in no position to say I've been useless, because I haven't. Oatsmaster, please stop posting one-liners and unhelpful things, it's continuing to look very scummy. Perhaps you should interact with other townies and their cases instead of asking everyone to comment on your case like some dog begging for its' next meal. | ||
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On July 28 2013 08:48 Stutters695 wrote: Also while I'm free for like ten minutes, this is a bad post. Vayne can be hard to read but actually take the time to siphon through the terrible parts and he actually makes some good points usually. Haven't read him yet so I can't comment but if he isn't providing those good nuggets look into lynching him. Ignoring him is the dumbest and probably most anti-town thing you could do regarding him. Overall this whole post does nothing towards reaching our win con. Noting this for later. Also while I'm free for like ten minutes, this is a bad post. Overall this whole post does nothing towards reaching our win con. Noting this for later. | ||
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Yer read on Oatsmaster is completely off. He has only made one read and his posting has been absolutely terrible. What in the world do you see in his filter that gives you the impression that his reads and posts are good? Secondly, yer read on VayneAuthority is also absolute rubbish. You think his posts have been good? They've been absolute shit. His first post after your list was the only half-decent post VayneAuthority has given so far. That was a very generous town read on VayneAuthority. | ||
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I would like a scumread, if you are still around. You had promised one to me, yet you don't give me one...and everyone calls me untrustworthy... | ||
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I REALLY hope that you aren't talking about posts like these... On July 28 2013 00:33 VayneAuthority wrote: Of course. Why would I share all my scumreads? You only need my vote. I'm town because that's what my role PM said. | ||
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On July 28 2013 15:37 FirmTofu wrote: Malongo is playing oddly different from his town games. Usually he lurks and is completely useless. I'm not sure what changed this time around. Anyone have any questions for me to answer? I'm gonna try and dive some filters now. *Raises hand* I have a question for ye. Why in the bloody hell did you say that Malongo is being any sort of useful? He's made 3 posts, and the last one was voting for someone based off of one sentence in his post. Is that really being useful? Try again, laddie. | ||
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##unvote: Oatsmaster I'm still not giving him my rum, though. VayneAuthority now has shown us that he does understand how to make intelligent, and he still refuses to give out scumreads and be helpful in any way. Something looks really suspicious to me, and I do not like it. Why in the world would any town player want to not give out their scum reads? He's starting to sound more like a slimy git scumbag to me. I don't understand why Justanothertownie is still on the chopping block. It seems like Oats "crusade of justice" has spread to a few other players. Does anyone care to explain to me why Paperscraps and Justanothertownie are getting votes? They will get rum. Lots of rum. Lastly, ##Captain: Captain Jack Sparrow | ||
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On July 28 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: So CJS, is vayne your only scumread? No. You are still my other one. No one else seems to agree with me though. It makes me sad =( Malongo's activity has been really disappointing to me. I'm not sure why FirmTofu say that his activity has been good when in fact it has been shit. Stutters also came in, took a shot at me, and then peaced out without giving any real analysis. I'm not entirely sure if I can see any town motivation in that. I just think that these are two people to look out for and I would be up for lynching any of the four players (Oatsmaster, VayneAuthority, Malongo, Stutters) today. I'm still not sold on the FirmTofu argument (I'll have to read it again when I have more rum) and I'm really not sold on the Paperscraps or JAT argument. | ||
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Well I truly believe that Paper's first few posts were him trying to just be sarcastic and funny. Everyone wants to see scum motivation in every single word someone posts, but I think we need to see Paper's joke votes as just that: joke votes. As someone who always tries to act myself, I can tell that Paper was just trying to have fun. So what has Paper done since then? He has given out a bunch of reads (albeit most of them were town) and he has been clear in what he wants (Vivax and JAT, perhaps Rayn or Malongo if their activity doesn't pick up) and he is asking questions and he doesn't look like he is hiding everything. Not very scummy, if you ask me. | ||
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On July 28 2013 23:33 Koshi wrote: My current lynchpool: raynpelikoneet Malongo VayneAuthority Stutters695 I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank Not good enough mate. Explain your reads. Now. | ||
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On July 28 2013 23:37 hzflank wrote: Actually I changed my mind, I am hereby begging a Vig to just shoot JAT right now because I am pissed off that he is going to be afk until the deadline and that I have found myself in a position where I feel I need to defend him even though every post he has made has been scummy. Someone just shoot him now please :/ I'll shoot him! Darn, wet powder. Find someone who has a working gun, and give him some rum! | ||
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Why are you still on this silly idea that having two wagons is a good idea? It is not. It allows scum to control the lynch by swinging their votes on one person or the other. Here's some advice for you: find your biggest scumread, and vote for them. Savvy? | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:03 exarezee wrote: Because I KNOW I'm town. How does this allow the scum to control the lynch? Why is my idea silly? Don't give a blanket statement that "it allows the scum to blah blah." So, if I said paper is scummy, and tofu is scummy, then it's ok? Ideally we want a consensus on votes. Ideally we would like votes spread around 2 people ONLY. We would have way more information than say there were 1 votes on everybody and 2 votes on another that got that person lynched. Because you are trying to pidgeon-hole town into doing what you want. That's not very townie to do, is it? Not everyone is going to agree with BOTH of your lynch candidates. You need to pick one and let the rest of town either agree with you or bring up another wagon. It will happen naturally. "If you try to chase two rabbits, you will lose them both" -Native American Proverb | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:11 exarezee wrote: Why would I NOT pidgeon-hole this town into doing what I want. I'm 100% confident that I'm town unless I have completely misread my PM. I have no side agendas. I don't know for a certainty whether any of you have side agendas. This so stupid. LIke I can prove this mathematically for you if you like. You are trying to convince us to kill either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. How are you not trying to pidgeon-hole us? Please tell me how mathematically, we can lynch both of them today. I'd love to see it. | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:17 Koshi wrote: ##vote : hzflank I will put my vote on the person that is actively posting and I find the most scummy. Reasons: 1) Disagree on Paper 2) Posting habit is equal to a previous game with hzflank. Such a good scumplayer, got killed by SK that game because he looked the most town with a lot of people left. This is a respect vote if you like. I am checking in every so many minutes for questions. Not good enough. | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:18 exarezee wrote: How am I pigeonholing when I am trying to convince you to lynch 1 of 2 people whereas most people are trying to convince me to lynch 1 of 1. I'm doing the opposite of pigeonholing. No, you want us to vote for either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. No one else. That's what you are saying when you say that you want 2 specific wagons. You want us to lynch only 2 of 12 possible players today. How scummy is that? | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:23 exarezee wrote: Ok, you gotta be trolling me. Let's assume you are town. Who are your personal top 2 scum candidates. Do you want to see them as Wagon #1 and Wagon #2? If not, please tell me why. No, I choose my top scum read and only focus on getting them lynched. I would rather have one of my top scum reads and someone else's top scum read be #1 and #2 because it provokes discussion and it provokes good case making. If you get your top 2 scumreads on the block, you will just sit back and do nothing because you wouldn't care about who gets lynched after that. It's all in the effort of having good discussion. It's ok to be wrong sometimes too. Being wrong doesn't make you scummy all of the time. If someone has a better argument for a lynch candidate, it's not scummy to agree with someone either. It's only scummy when you tell town "we're lynching either FirmTofu or Paperscraps today". By the way, my top 2 reads are Oatsmaster and VayneAuthority. Still. Koshi is getting up there though. | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:43 exarezee wrote: Why would you not want a scum/scum wagon? (Even though I don't think paper/tofu is scum/scum but possible). YOU, knowing you are a town would rather chance someone else's scum read getting lynched than your own? You don't know if he has any agenda or not! Of course if you only have one scumread then you just push your single read. This is different after Day 1 when some people flips and you know if you can give more credence to someone's picks. This is just not logical that you would not want two people you think scum not to be the wagons. Of course once my goal of the two wagons is done, I can sit back. How does this make me scummy? I've already identified the best two lynch candidates in Day 1. In an extreme example, suppose I know for certain that both paper and tofu are scum. Should I not want both of them on the wagon? Because unlike you, I don't tunnel. Therefore I don't know if my "2 scum wagons" are actually scum/scum or if I have misread. You said that you've identified the best 2 lynch candidates. They may be the best ones to YOU, but to others (like me), they're not the best 2 lynch candidates. Are you going to just sit back, be stubborn, and not listen to anyone else's arguments? | ||
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I've been involved in 3 games of mafia in the past week (I am Corazon, if anyone missed my smurfslip). The first one was my own game, I Swear 2. I spent a lot of time waiting on the queue and making all of the QTs and doing everything a host needed to do, only to have scum play like absolute crap (almost on purpose, their plan was to buddy each other and hope the town wasn't using their brains) and to basically concede after D1. Z-BosoN purposefully leaked the scum team to the town and then proceeded to post the scum QT in the thread. I was really pissed and then really disappointed to see that no one agreed with my call for a ban. I had spent all that time on the game just to see it last one day and be really boring. The second game was Bluelightz's game. Since it is ongoing, I will be brief. I spent 2 days getting bullied by Oats, getting trolled by the hosts, and then getting tunneled by a replacement player who did not even read my filter and just kept tunneling me and borderline started to bully me until I was finally mislynched after having a mini-meltdown on that thread. That really got me angry. And then there is this game. I tried to roleplay a little bit, but then I realized that I hadn't watch the Pirates of the Caribbean movies in 6 months and forgot Jack Sparrow's manner of talking. I was doing really well until I smurfslipped like an idiot, and then proceeded to let frustration at everything that has been going on out and ragequitting. I really should have not reacted like that, except everything had just gotten to me at that point. Lastly, there's the RL issues. Basically, my friend of 5 years basically bailed on a concert we were supposed to go to together. When I called her out on it (because she had been doing this repeatedly to me), she basically said we weren't close friends and that she had drifted apart from being friends with me. This hurt the most, and led from me being happy Corazon to sad Corazon, which made all the frustrating things even worse. I'm sorry I acted like that, and I will try to put it past me and carry on with the game. My sincerest apologies, Corazon | ||
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For now, I just got Assassin's Creed 2, and I need something to distract me. After I play for a bit, I will get back to playing mafia. | ||
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First of all, the discussion leading up to the lynch wasn't much of a discussion. It was a bunch of people trying to force their scumreads down each others' throats, and was really chaotic and not very helpful to the town. It also did not help that many people decided to talk about things unrelated to the lynch and other random lynch candidates. VayneAuthority and Malongo MUST explain their votes. They look really bad, especially because we only barely managed to get enough votes to lynch Paperscraps. They're hipster votes basically show that they do not care about the lynch and they are not trying to scumhunt. I can forgive Oats for hipster voting because he missed all of the buildup to the lynch, and he basically has to hold on to his JAT read because that's all the scumhunting he has done. I feel like my vote is ok because when I left the two wagons were PS and JAT, two people I did not feel like lynching. Rayn's last vote also looks really scummy: ##Unvote: ##Vote: Paperscraps Fuck you all. Chance of success 5%. If Rayn thought Paperscraps was town (or at least 95% town, coming from that post), he should not have voted for Paperscraps. Why is a no-lynch better than lynching a townie? You don't lynch your town reads solely in the interest of getting a lynch. How is his vote a town motivated one? I really don't see how. Why was Paperscraps lynched again? He really seemed to be getting into the game towards the end. There were so many other players who were playing scummier than him. Paperscraps looked to be cooperating and trying to defend himself. Perhaps if he hadn't been tunneled and had not needed to defend himself since the get-go, he could've had some time to develop some better reads instead of posting every 2 minutes in an attempt to defend himself. VayneAuthority, Malongo, Stutters, and Koshi all looked really scummy on D1. Way scummier than Paperscraps. Perhaps if we had not gone into the crazy argument set on 1 of 3 players being lynched, we could have made a better lynch decision than Paperscraps. Stutters' play really has me confused. He's going through this random personal vendetta against me, but he's not giving any specifics. He just goes on and on about how my play hasn't looked very townie, yet fails to explain the reasoning in-depth or provide any evidence to support. His erratic voting pattern also has me a bit worried. It really looked like he switched over to FirmTofu in an attempt to get his name off of the PS lynch, yet switched back over when it looked like a no-lynch was going to happen. That looks really fishy. The same goes for Vivax and his voteswitch timing. He was the last vote off of the Paperscraps wagon and onto the FirmTofu wagon. It looks like it would be too obvious for scum to do, but with WIFOM, any vote switch shenanigans can be used as fair game. I don't want to put the "too scummy to be scum" seal on his voteswitch because he hasn't exactly been a "model town player". That's all I have for now. I'm sorry if it looks like a jumbled up mess, the words are just being blurted out on the page as the thoughts come into my head. Tomorrow, I will look through FT's filter, Clairty's filter, and Hz's filter to see if I can get any better reads on these players. | ||
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To everyone who wants to answer: Is a no lynch better than a mislynch? Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch? I would tend to think that voting for people I have town reads on is a pretty stupid idea, and is scum-motivated because they just want the lynch. Also @Oats: If you had been at the deadline, who would you have voted for and why? | ||
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On July 29 2013 23:14 Oatsmaster wrote: I think that nolynch wouldve been better at that situation. I would probably have not voted for either FT or paper, I really do not see them as scum. Could you answer the second part of my question, Oats? ...Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch? | ||
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It's pretty stupid to check some who is obviously scum. I would rather check someone I wasn't sure on. I'm definitely up for a Malongo or Stutters lynch. I also need to check the filters that I promised to check last night but have been too busy to do. I also need to read the last 10-15 pages more in-depth. I just kind of skimmed them, so I will go back and take a better look at them. | ||
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##Vote: Malongo Still wondering if Stutters is going to ever talk about why I'm scummy instead of just saying "CJS is scummy". Will it ever happen? | ||
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On July 30 2013 16:38 Koshi wrote: Now I am sad. Read the whole thread before you jump to conclusions. I hope you learned that lesson... | ||
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On July 30 2013 16:43 Koshi wrote: Ok. So it was fake after all. Thought so. So why should I vote Malongo? Because you haven't been doing any original scumhunting so why start now | ||
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Scummier than the three people I named? At least FirmTofu is showing some effort to scumhunting. The other 3 have been completely useless and are just mucking up the thread with random bullshit (especially Koshi). | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:49 Oatsmaster wrote: CORA HAS THE SAME READS AS ME. wait thats weird. weird. OATS Maybe when we are not at each other's throats, we are the same deep down inside. | ||
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Why follow a shepherd who has no clue where he is going and has no desire to figure it out? You're also saying that you are going to drive the lynch, how do you plan on doing that? You're not exactly playing super-analytical. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are completely ignoring Stutters´case on FT which is, as i have said many times, spot on. I agree that Malongo and Koshi look at least as bad as FT, but he is not doing much. He flips his reads 180 right after flip for no reason. His response to vayne´s check is fucking scummy. His D1 was awful. He is accusing me of same things he does himself (which i btw didn´t do). How the fuck is that townie behaviour? Faking scumhunting is another thing and i don´t think FT has done good job at scumhunting this game. Which of his cases do you believe in? I really wouldn't call what FT was doing "fake scumhunting". He's giving reasons and providing evidence that supports those reasons. While I may not agree with his cases, I really don't agree with you when it coems to your claim that FT is not scumhunting. Do you really think we should lynch FirmTofu, someone who is at least putting some effort into solving this game, over 3 people who are putting no effort into solving this game? | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:04 Stutters695 wrote: Where's Kushmasta lol. Cora needs some weed. I thought your early posting wasn't super town nor did I even think of giving you credit for rage quitting, deal with it. I'm sure you could sway me into thinking you're scum though at this rate. Of all the things that people have found me scummy for, some of which is understandable, especially from people who haven't played with me, you pick something that is null as shit simply because it's about you. You're better than this. OMG MYSTERY SOLVED LETS GO DRINK AND DANCE AND ENJOY LIFE BECAUSE STUTTERS FINALLY EXPLAINED WHY HE THINKS IM SCUM. HALLELUJAH! | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:12 Stutters695 wrote: My case totally isn't work. And I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids! Seriously though, how about you read it and tell me why I'm wrong instead of just saying I'm doing nothing. I guess my case on Paper wasn't real either? Your case on paper was obviously bad as it was completely wrong. Plus you almost didn't vote for PS at the end so that basically undermines your entire case on him...why scumhunt and not stick your vote on your scumread instead of wavering around right before the deadline? | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: CJS how does FT´s 180 on all his reads make sense to you? He has not 180'd on all of his reads... How does not having any reads or having poorly explained reads make sense to you? | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:28 Stutters695 wrote: Because he was town as shit in his posting right before the deadline. Do yourself a favor and go read my filter then stop pushing your retarded case. Kthx Then why did you vote for him? Why would you keep him around if he was posting like a townie? I want Rayn to answer this question too because I called him out on it too and he dodged the question. | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: HE FUCKING FLIPPED ALL HIS SCUMREADS AROUND WHEN PAPER FLIPPED GREEN AND DID NOT OPPOSE THE LYNCH? Are you dumb or something? I think Stutters has had a pretty clear thought process. He wanted to lynch FT. He wanted to lynch Koshi. When you fuckers didn´t vote either of them with me & Vivax he did not want to no-lynch and voted for Paper. How is that having no reads? He is today pushing FT, he has a case on him. HOW IS THAT HAVING NO READS? It took Stutters a day and a half to get those reads... His D1 effort was divided in two: one half dedicated to playing the game, the other dedicated to taking cheap shots at me and calling me scum without saying why... | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I didn´t dodge the question. If you had read the thread you would know i have answered it. I can do it again. I did not want to no-lynch, and in case i am wrong, because you know - i can be wrong too, i voted for Paper. He already had a majority on him so all my vote did was to ensure scum vote shenanigans in case Paper was in fact scum. Why are you not reading and why are YOU dodging my questions? It's hard to answer shit when two people are asking you questions and you keep attacking me on two or three things at once. I'm going to go read read FT's filter and read the accusations against them. I'm not saying that FT is town (he's more of a null read still for me), it's just that I think a lot of other people are scummier and I want to lynch them before we lynch FT. It still makes no sense to me why you would vote someone you had a town read on. A no-lynch would've been a lot better in the situation. It just seems like you were trying to lynch someone just for the sake of lynching them... | ||
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Rayn idk what the fuck you are on. Oats is town. He's playing exactly like Bluelightz. Not caring about nothing and calling everyone scum. | ||
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On August 01 2013 01:06 cDgCorazon wrote: First part of my post was @Clarity For filter...again. | ||
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On August 01 2013 01:33 Clarity_nl wrote: CJS I really want to justify lynching him, but rayn is probably right for his fakeclaim not making sense, and hz is definitely right about him (if town) more likely being blue. Meaning he's going to die sooner or later anyway. If he's alive d4, then yeah. I think you're pretty cool though CJS, other then thoughts about vayne, what ye been thinking about? I've been really distracted with Assassin's Creed 2, so not very much =( I'm still thinking about a Koshi lynch but I want to read his filter. I'm also going to read JAT's filter because I don't really understand why he's been taking so much heat all game and I want to see if his detractors are right. Anything you would like to discuss? | ||
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Did XRC expand on these reads (or at least the scum ones)? Because if not, this is a fucking useless post. | ||
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On August 01 2013 01:56 exarezee wrote: You seem like a smart fellow. What do you think? What has changed since the time I made that post and now. Koshi has come back to planet earth. Doesn't mean he's not scum still. You know you made reads other than Koshi...did they change? | ||
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On August 01 2013 02:15 VayneAuthority wrote: rayn is a good lynch for later, not now though. get rid of all people not contributing to the town wincon. First up, malongo. I'm pretty sure giving out fake reads and refusing to take this game seriously counts as not contributing to your wincon... | ||
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On August 01 2013 02:35 Stutters695 wrote: ...scum can roll the dice with the janitor trying to kill and all they need to do is... How do you know for certain scum has a janitor? I thought the set-up was semi-open? | ||
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On August 01 2013 03:34 cDgCorazon wrote: Why is Malongo town, Rayn? I don't really understand how you can look at his filter and call it town. Filter. Again. | ||
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On August 01 2013 02:46 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: How do you know for certain scum has a janitor? I thought the set-up was semi-open? | ||
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What is that supposed to mean? It's almost like you know scum has a janitor. It seems really fishy to me and I wanted an answer to it. | ||
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On August 01 2013 04:28 Stutters695 wrote: Yeah, reading is definitely hard. You scum Cora? That's a huge thing to assume. Setup speculation is not the towniest thing to do bro. And accusing you does not make me scum. Why are you being so defensive? | ||
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On August 01 2013 04:30 hzflank wrote: Why Tofu and not Cora? If you are town then it should be extremely fishy that Cora would push you so hard over knowing scum roles. That is such a scummy thing to push someone for, and it is not like Cora has been particularly town for the last 48 hours. Also, Rayn thinks Cora is scum, right? I am sure he would not argue too much with my theory that Cora is only doing this because Cora is scum, since Rayn has a town read on you. This whole situation is completely and utterly fucking win/win for me at the moment. Well seeing as Rayn voted for his town read, I'm not entirely sure if you should trust any of his reads. hz, do I look scummier than anyone who has been considered for lynch today? If the answer is no, why are you discussing things that aren't important to todays lynch? If the answer is yes, I would love to hear your case. | ||
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On July 25 2013 21:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. | ||
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On August 01 2013 05:54 Stutters695 wrote: If I told you it's my birthday would you lynch Tofu? That's a lie. It would say it was your birthday next to your name. | ||
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On August 01 2013 05:59 Stutters695 wrote: It's not actually. My TL birthday is a lie. Want to lynch Tofu with me out of love? I don't take bribes. | ||
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On August 01 2013 05:59 Stutters695 wrote: It's not actually. My TL birthday is a lie. Want to lynch Tofu with me out of love? I only love the sea and rum. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Malongo is going to flip town and you are all idiots or mafia. Do i need to tell you again why this is so very wrong target? Is there anyone who can think with their own brain? On July 29 2013 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, that makes no sense. If i knew Paper better and could tell 100% he is town we could no-lynch. But i can't. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Paperscraps Fuck you all. Chance of success 5%. So why aren't you voting for Malongo? | ||
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Taking a look at Malongo's filter, it's kind of obvious that his guy is scum. I'll dissect his filter for a bit. His first major analysis post: On July 28 2013 14:29 Malongo wrote: I really didnt like this post from hzflank: The think about starting the day lynching a lurker is to force the players to post and force the mafia to make mistakes. I rather start the day forcing lurkers to post than "looking for 2/3 wagons" earlier. Earlier wagons are more likely to be town (in my experience) and the lurker lynching stays aside. Trying to get early wagons is also a good way to close the fence early wich help the mafia more than the town. His vote so far on Paperscraps is really weak and when I read his filter I found it really reactive (or defensive as he put it). ##Vote: hzflank This vote for hzflank is really poorly reasoned. He reads the first 24 hours of posts and that is all he can come up with? He votes for hz because hz was stating his opinion about LaL-ing and Malongo disagrees with it. If Malongo was really going to attack someone for the reason he attacked hzflank, he should have attacked the people who started the lurker lynching conversation to begin with. All in all, it looks like a forced case and a really bad entry into the thread, considering that it was late and he had a lot more information to work on. Then there is his vote on FT: On July 28 2013 16:38 Malongo wrote: Meh I still think hzflank is better lynch but I want to test how this turns out when I wake up. Night. ##Unvote ##Vote FirmTofu. What kind of vote is this? There's absolutely no explanation as to why he wants to vote for FirmTofu. He even admits that hzflank is still his top scumread, so why is he changing his vote to FT? It makes absolutely no sense. This was not even close to the end of D1. It's just an attempt by him to look like he is trying to scumhunt when in fact he isn't. He continues to push an hzflank lynch while his vote is still on FirmTofu (spoilered to condense the post): + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 06:44 Malongo wrote: This is hzflank on Paper: How can that be mafia if the game had just started? You expect something like a paper on who is mafia based on 10 pages of posts? guy addressed one by one each player and you get angry because he doesnt respond directly to you This is a lie as proof you can actually find the exchange that he actually answers you directly: So actually you are telling that you dont understand Paper so he is not town. See the logic flaw? Well actually his one sentence makes more sense to me than these case. He calls Vivax directly lurker because there was no reason behind his vote. How is that in any ways indicative of mafia? if something he liked your own way to be abrasive. What? most people look at Paper as null towards townie, I dont see anyone calling him town. What I am sure is your post is really forced towards Paper He then suddenly goes back to an hz lynch: On July 29 2013 07:08 Malongo wrote: The thing is your case on Paper was conveniently tunneled and wagoned early and nipticked and I found you lying 2 times. A) When you said the guy was not answering you directly. hint: he did B) When you said *how pleople find Paper townie posting. hint: null =/= townie That and the fact that now we are ending the day with 0 pressure on active lurkers as you wanted with your initial posts. ##Vote hzflank While his vote is finally following his actual suspicions, why did he stray in the first place? And then there is the fakecheck, to which he responds: On July 30 2013 09:41 Malongo wrote: If there is no miller there is no chance in hell you are telling the truth. Vigi on me asap, clear the vigi you and me, im green. The fact that he wants the vigilante to shoot him to see if VA is telling the truth is really scummy. A town player would try to prove that he is town by his posting and his scum hunting. Malongo just goes out and asks for a vigilante hit on him. It's almost as if he was trying to bait out a vigilante shot knowing he was going to get lynched. It would be beneficial for scum because he could get rid of a vigilante shot and narrow the pool of blues down. The ragequit happened but as I said earlier: On August 01 2013 05:51 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Also scum can ragequit too...see DrH in Bluelightz mafia. So, in summary: -Malongo's activity levels have been very unsatisfactory and he is trying to blend in -Has not done very much scum-hunting -His hz vote is really weak and he continued to push hz even after he had voted for FirmTofu -Voted for FirmTofu without any explanation and did nothing to push the FT lynch -Initial reaction from VA's fake-check was to draw out a vigilante shot (not totally scummy but there's possible scum motivation) -Ragequits are not 100% town-tells Malongo looks like the best lynch to me, and I hope you all can agree with me. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:33 Clarity_nl wrote: rayn just said malongo is incompetent and town CJS has a case about how, because malongo has been incompetent, he is scum CJS, you fail to address the fact that he thought pms were enabled, what do you make of that? He could just be saying that...did he actually pm anyone? | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also the fact that Oats & Cora are not on each other´s throats makes them both very likely mafia. Those are the two players who tunnel the shit out of people (besides me) and when they get into an argument they will not let go, usually even when they are clearly wrong, because they believe in theirselves. Now they are both just dropping some questions or minor shit on each other and not interacting with each other at all. That´s fucking fishy and that´s not how it goes when at least one of them is town. Have you ever thought that perhaps I'm tired of dealing with Oats? I used to have his problem with Marv where we would tunnel each other every game as townies, and then we just decided to stay out of each other's way. Do you want Oats and I to tunnel each other? No. It's bad for the town. Why are you calling me scum for doing something townie? | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: - Does not make Malongo scum, in fact it´s perfectly in line with his town play - Does not make Malongo scum, in fact he is trying more here than in his latest town games - Does not make Malongo scum, because he does dumb stuff all the time - Does definitely not make Malongo scum as you said yourself rofl - Does definitely not make Malongo scum So it's very possible that he is playing dumb to get people to think he is a bad townie. It would work for someone like Malongo who does not post too much and does not have too much experience with mafia. I'm not trying to say that Malongo is absolute shit at the game, just that he is banking on other players using meta reads so he can do nothing and still be called town by players like Rayn. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol. You don´t get into a single argument with oats because you are both scum. That´s not townie, you are not even trying to figure out his alignment and vice versa. You STILL get into shitfests with marv. In every game. Even when you try to stop it you just add more fuel into the fire. Rayn. I voted for Oats D1. I spent the first part of the game attacking him. Are you serious right now? I just came to the conclusion that Oats is not trying to play the game and he is posting one-liners and not giving out any analysis. It looks exactly like what he did in Bluelightz. Since I'm guessing you weren't paying attention in Bluelightz, you would also know that I did not get into any shitfests with Marv. Do you want to see a shitfest between Marv and I? Read our filters in Personality Mafia 2. We tunneled each other to death in that game. | ||
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Basically if we keep Malongo around, the issue of lynching him is going to stick around every single day until we lynch him. Do you really want to be sitting at D5/6/7 with a complete question mark and a complete crapshoot in Malongo? I definitely would not want to do that. FirmTofu is going to continue to give us posts that will help us determine his alignment even more accurately. Malongo is going to continue to be a crapshoot. Let's get rid of the mystery earlier and get this town headed in a better and clearer direction. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:57 Clarity_nl wrote: If he does nothing surely there will be mod actions. What if he makes 1 or 2 posts and votes himself again? He won't be modkilled in that instance. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: HE WONT BECAUSE HE IS TOWN AND WILL STEP UP HIS GAME! HE THINKS HE IS GOING TO GET LYNCHED TODAY! You are dumb, that´s not how it works if he is ragequitting as town as he is. scum, you can die after FT! Rayn you are putting way too much faith in Malongo for someone you said "does stupid stuff all of the time". | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: OMFG WHY IS THIS TOWN SO FUCKIFDASFDAFASDFASDNG IDIOTIC=P!?"!?!"?"!!"?)%¤"! RIFSKACSDGJMWEtpoh23 Congratulations, FT voters. You are sheeping this guy. Well done... | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Corazon is also confirmed scum for not saying anything, not changing his vote, but still flinging shit on me for nothing. I'm voting Malongo because he is scum. Is that not the same reason you are voting for FT? You're hard defending Malongo by attacking FT. You're too afraid to see your scumbuddy flip because you will be the next to join him. That's what I think. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you think i am fakeclaiming you should be voting for me now. ggnore scum. I think you are town. I just think that you are misguided. You refuse to see Malongo being scum and you turn a blind eye to all of his scummy posts and all of the bad things I point out about him. So can you please explain why you check Vayne and why you felt the need to claim just to get Vayne to vote with you? | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:14 hzflank wrote: That's rubbish. A red Mal flip would not lead straight to Rayn lynch. A red Stutters flip would of gotten Rayn lynched, but you insisted on Mal. The same reason I want a Malongo lynch over a FT lynch applies to Stutters. Stutters will not be a question mark in the future, but Malongo will be. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: scumslip, right there.! another scum caught <3 Lol | ||
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"I think Paperscraps is town." [votes for Paperscraps] | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: OH, SO NOW YOU HAVE NO READS TO SHARE???? HOW CONVENIENT!!!!! Die scum! Die in a fire! Confirmation bias. FT's given plenty of reads and shared them all. | ||
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What about your scumslip? | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: XRZ said he is gonna get back. If Koshi does not stay he is scum 100%. Can´t count on Malongo & vayne, Oats is scum so he won´t vote for FT. Anyways this gonna be easy, no-lynch gives us a mislynch either way. So Malongo, Vayne, me, Oats, FT, and possibly Koshi are scum? That's a few too many bro. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: everyone who does not change their vote to FT is confirmed scum either way, so D3 will be easy to you. I was basing my last post off of this bit of Raynlogic. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: XRZ said he is gonna get back. If Koshi does not stay he is scum 100%. Can´t count on Malongo & vayne, Oats is scum so he won´t vote for FT. Anyways this gonna be easy, no-lynch gives us a mislynch either way. With this: On August 01 2013 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: everyone who does not change their vote to FT is confirmed scum either way, so D3 will be easy to you. It leads me to conclude this: On August 01 2013 07:40 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: So Malongo, Vayne, me, Oats, FT, and possibly Koshi are scum? That's a few too many bro. I'm just making conclusions based off of your posts Rayn. Unless you didn't mean those posts too just like your town read on paperscraps... | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:54 Clarity_nl wrote: I DUNNO, WHY ARE YOU. DO YOU THINK HES SCUM THAT FORGOT TO COUNT? Well we are all so paranoid that would probably count for a scumslip these days... | ||
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On August 01 2013 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Seriously, Oats, you can´t deduce from reading the thread why i voted for Malongo, nor you can deduce why i was angry? You are either so fucking terrible at this game or scum. i´d say 99% scum. I think you should stop giving out percentages on your reads... On August 01 2013 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: vayne, fuck you. seriously. vote for FT now, i am a cop who has a green check on you from N1, you need to fucking vote for FT so we can stop this bullshit, Malongo is 99% town. You are going to lose the game for us with your stubborness. If you are town Rayn, you need to face the music and realize that you were simply wrong. The fact that you are just bashing Oats and calling him scum even thought it has NOTHING to do with the vote or what happened or anything is super scummy. Are you trying to figure out who is scum and who is town, or are you just trying to shove your reads down everyone's throat. Every other post of yours looks like: SCUMTEAM IS CORA/FT/OATS/NOT MALONGO SO WE NEED TO LYNCH ALL OF THESE PEOPLE AND YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO ME BECAUSE I AM YELLING PLEASE You're playing super defensive. How come? | ||
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On August 02 2013 01:31 cDgCorazon wrote: Admit it Rayn, you are wrong. You've been using shitty heuristics all game (confirmation bias, association cases before flips, refusing to look at anyone's arguments). What do you expect to happen when you are wrong? You voted for your town reads. Twice. Do you understand how scummy that looks Rayn? It's ridiculous. You're trying to drive an FT lynch home so much that you basically hard-defended Malongo. Then you just 180 on your Malongo read and vote for him. What gives? You were so resistant to vote out scum, and that looks super suspicious. I have all the intention to find mafia this game. In fact, I already did. At least I'm smart enough to not vote for people I think are 95% town and 99% town, respectively. Filter | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing with Oats is that if he is town, he calls everyone scum when he sees a scummy post. Then he starts questioning them. Here he is far more conservative about his reads. town!Oats does not have zero scumreads 24h into D1, no fucking way. Also the fact that Oats & Cora are not on each other´s throats makes them both very likely mafia. Those are the two players who tunnel the shit out of people (besides me) and when they get into an argument they will not let go, usually even when they are clearly wrong, because they believe in theirselves. Now they are both just dropping some questions or minor shit on each other and not interacting with each other at all. That´s fucking fishy and that´s not how it goes when at least one of them is town. 2: Yet you still gave me a strong town read on N1. Why did you do that if I had done nothing to accomplish a mafia lynch on D1? 3: On August 01 2013 09:02 Aquanim wrote: Malongo the Strawberry Ruffian has been pushed off the boat! | ||
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2. So knowing my identity changed your N1 read on me? So now you are saying the case on me is based on meta? Why do I get different reads for the same post now that you know my identity? The same person has been typing on this account the whole game. 3. + Show Spoiler [Not In Chronological Order] + On August 01 2013 06:29 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Why Malongo is scum and why we need to lynch him: Taking a look at Malongo's filter, it's kind of obvious that his guy is scum. I'll dissect his filter for a bit. His first major analysis post: This vote for hzflank is really poorly reasoned. He reads the first 24 hours of posts and that is all he can come up with? He votes for hz because hz was stating his opinion about LaL-ing and Malongo disagrees with it. If Malongo was really going to attack someone for the reason he attacked hzflank, he should have attacked the people who started the lurker lynching conversation to begin with. All in all, it looks like a forced case and a really bad entry into the thread, considering that it was late and he had a lot more information to work on. Then there is his vote on FT: What kind of vote is this? There's absolutely no explanation as to why he wants to vote for FirmTofu. He even admits that hzflank is still his top scumread, so why is he changing his vote to FT? It makes absolutely no sense. This was not even close to the end of D1. It's just an attempt by him to look like he is trying to scumhunt when in fact he isn't. He continues to push an hzflank lynch while his vote is still on FirmTofu (spoilered to condense the post): + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 06:44 Malongo wrote: This is hzflank on Paper: How can that be mafia if the game had just started? You expect something like a paper on who is mafia based on 10 pages of posts? guy addressed one by one each player and you get angry because he doesnt respond directly to you This is a lie as proof you can actually find the exchange that he actually answers you directly: So actually you are telling that you dont understand Paper so he is not town. See the logic flaw? Well actually his one sentence makes more sense to me than these case. He calls Vivax directly lurker because there was no reason behind his vote. How is that in any ways indicative of mafia? if something he liked your own way to be abrasive. What? most people look at Paper as null towards townie, I dont see anyone calling him town. What I am sure is your post is really forced towards Paper He then suddenly goes back to an hz lynch: While his vote is finally following his actual suspicions, why did he stray in the first place? And then there is the fakecheck, to which he responds: The fact that he wants the vigilante to shoot him to see if VA is telling the truth is really scummy. A town player would try to prove that he is town by his posting and his scum hunting. Malongo just goes out and asks for a vigilante hit on him. It's almost as if he was trying to bait out a vigilante shot knowing he was going to get lynched. It would be beneficial for scum because he could get rid of a vigilante shot and narrow the pool of blues down. The ragequit happened but as I said earlier: So, in summary: -Malongo's activity levels have been very unsatisfactory and he is trying to blend in -Has not done very much scum-hunting -His hz vote is really weak and he continued to push hz even after he had voted for FirmTofu -Voted for FirmTofu without any explanation and did nothing to push the FT lynch -Initial reaction from VA's fake-check was to draw out a vigilante shot (not totally scummy but there's possible scum motivation) -Ragequits are not 100% town-tells Malongo looks like the best lynch to me, and I hope you all can agree with me. On August 01 2013 05:45 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Are the Malongo votes for realsies or are people just faking interest in lynching him? I still think he is very likely to flip scum if we lynch him. On July 30 2013 14:32 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I would be down for a Malongo lynch. He's being scummy as fuck and has not scumhunted at all this game. Also, he still has yet to explain his hipster vote which is ridiculously scummy in a majority lynch voting system. ##Vote: Malongo On August 01 2013 06:55 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: At least FT is going to defend himself and he will scumhunt on D3. What is Malongo going to do? Nothing. We're going to sit here and think about Malongo's lynch some more because we didn't lynch him today. Basically if we keep Malongo around, the issue of lynching him is going to stick around every single day until we lynch him. Do you really want to be sitting at D5/6/7 with a complete question mark and a complete crapshoot in Malongo? I definitely would not want to do that. FirmTofu is going to continue to give us posts that will help us determine his alignment even more accurately. Malongo is going to continue to be a crapshoot. Let's get rid of the mystery earlier and get this town headed in a better and clearer direction. | ||
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2. That still does not explain why you gave me a town read and then said I didn't do shit D1. if I didn't do shit D1, why didn't you point that out when you made the read on me N1? 3. I'm not "half right". I'm 100% right. I said he was scum and he flipped scum. There's no room for me to be wrong. I pushed Malongo's lynch both because I thought he was scum and I thought he was the best lynch. My point about removing the giant question mark that was Malongo was another huge reason I wanted him dead. I could've easily switched over to the FT if I wasn't sure Malongo was scum and you wouldn't be having any of these issues with me. I stuck it out because I thought Malongo was the best lynch. When I left an hour before the deadline, I thought FT was dead. I was pretty surprised and happy to see that not only you guys listened to me, but that Malongo flipped scum and I was right. You are scum because you are using shitty heuristics to tunnel me and you defended Malongo pretty viscously. Clarity has been one of my strongest town reads all game, and accusing me of being scum does not make someone else scummy. If it makes you feel better, I will read into Clarity again. | ||
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On August 02 2013 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it still isn´t. Yes it has to do with meta, but it´s not an association case between you & Oats. Your play drastically changed from "trying to figure things out" -> "not trying to figure things out". I dunno why that is so hard to understand. lol Cora. I also said Malongo was scum when people were willing to vote for XRZ over him. What´s your point? I know you made a case on him, that does not make you town. Fair enough, you think i am scum. I don´t give a shit tbh, because i am going to die at last on N3. Because i am going to lynch mafia!Oatsmaster on D3. I thought I was going to be lynched tomorrow? | ||
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On August 02 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: I genuinely believed Malongo was town and did not want to lynch a townie over FT who i believed and still believe is scum. Why in the world did you claim to get Vayne to vote with you? Did you really think Vayne was going to listen to you because you told him you got a town check on him? He's barely playing the game. | ||
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First of all, Rayn is scum because he resisted a Malongo lynch for so so so so long until it was obvious that his lynch target was not going to die. His cop claim is really sketch, especially with a Vayne check. Why would a cop check Vayne, and why would he claim cop just to get Vayne to vote for him? (He still hasn't answered this, he called out Vayne for bad town play yet he did not need to claim just to get Vayne to vote for FT. It doesn't make sense). He's just shitting up the thread with random-ass nonsense about how Oats is scum based solely on meta and how I'm scum by association with Oats. The logic is simply not there and it's obvious to me that he is just making cases to look like he is scumhunting. Secondly, I want to look into Stutters some more. I'm still not convinced that he is town. His play until D2 was really fishy, and he dodged the setup speculation question that I gave him. He still worries me. In the category of town reads, I'm only pretty secure on giving town reads to Oats (because he's not caring about the lynch or anything at all, what's new?), Clarity (because he has played a very focused game and is actively trying to solve it), and XRC (for being cop and getting Malongo lynched). The rest I'm still feeling null on, and if I don't die, I will work on splitting them up into town and scum. | ||
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On August 02 2013 09:06 exarezee wrote: i got roleblocked Who did you try to check? | ||
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On August 02 2013 09:10 exarezee wrote: oats Why Oats? Not Koshi or any of your other scum reads from the group of 5 you mentioned? | ||
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Because he doesn't think I am scum. Did you look at what he has posted? | ||
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On August 02 2013 10:10 exarezee wrote: I'm back on the computer. I can make a case against the others without a peek. This is assuming that the mafia did not have a roleblocker, (which I wish they didn't, because we could assume clarity is scum. I feel good about clarity being town now. I can now assume if someone else were roleblocked, they would have said something) I narrowed down my choice of peeks to justanothertownie, oats, or stutters. I don't have a good feel for their position. I decided to peek oats who was who rayn said he was going to peek. You need to read Rayn. | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:34 Clarity_nl wrote: rayn couldn't even hold his shit together for 5 seconds to see responses. Two possibilities. 1. rayn is scum 2. Oats is GF and it's why they let you have a check. Don't really understand why you would check vayne and then call him "obvtown vt bait" I'm pretty sure #2 would be ruled out if Rayn is telling the truth because of the red check. Also Rayn, you literally just 180d on EVERY SINGLE READ you have made in the game (besides the FT read). What gives? I think I need to read that again. | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:56 exarezee wrote: captain jack, clarity: where do you guys want to go? I want to wait for Rayn to get sober or calm down or normalize or fix whatever the fuck is wrong with him. Until then, there's not much we can do. We have 44 hours. Anything can happen. | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:01 exarezee wrote: @captain jack you can try to figure out that i'm town if u haven't yet. @clarity you already know im town May I ask for your read on FirmTofu XRC? | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: cora talk to me. please What is there to say? You literally just had a meltdown and I have no fucking clue how to respond to it. You can play the WIFOM game if you want to explain why you weren't roleblocked. | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:09 exarezee wrote: I'm very confused re tofu. I'm definitely not voting rayn today. I'm 99% sure he is town. the 1% chance that he is not detective is that town does not have a detective. I know you are town captain jack. I had you almost completely confirmed before rayn even peeked you. I feel like I may be a bit biased towards tofu, as I really really want/think the scum team is koshi/malongo/tofu which is what i was pressing since day 1. if koshi flips scum, i can show so much evidence that tofu is also scum. but now im wavering on koshi right now too which is the problem. He did come back to the thread and contribute. I feel like you and clarity will have a better handle on tofu's role than I am. I can only confidently say that tofu is scum if koshi is too. And I would really like tofu to be scum because I would have been right on my day 1 read that one of tofu/paper is scum. So I feel like I'm really biased on tofu basically and will go whhatever way you, rayn (when he is sober), and clarity want to go. Ok good I just wanted to see your read on him because the only way you could be scum is if you claimed in order to bus Malongo to save a more capable teammate. If you had a town read on him I would be suspicious but since you do not, I don't see a scenario in which you flip red. | ||
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Let's not seal any lynch in stone right now. We have 44 hours. Rayn will get sober by then and perhaps pick it up, but it's really hard to come back after all of the shit he has said in the past 2 hours. | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: note taken. just.. i am not dumb cora, not as drunk. i am right as town, and i am fucking town here. so please. look at my reads. I know you aren't Rayn. But you literally just 180d on every single one of them except for FT. | ||
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Me: Scum -> Town Oats: Scum -> Town XRC: Town -> Scum -> Town Clarity: I highly disagree with you on this. FT: Still scum | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:29 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Rayn. Stop posting and go to bed. Now. | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: why are youi tellinmg m,e to go to bed if you think i am scum. FU(! Fine. Continue to post and dig a deeper hole for yourself. | ||
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On August 02 2013 14:48 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah just went off my notes and kinda forgot about that part More reason rayn is town. I'm really hesitant to throw off my vote off of him until he comes back and explains what happened. That's all from me for tonight, I'm going to bed. | ||
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WTF Rayn? XRZ is town. Do you really believe that he claimed cop to lynch Malongo all in the interest of saving FT who he is leaning scum towards? Clarity is town as well. Rayn you need to stop making these stupid association cases. They're bad and you know it. | ||
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On August 02 2013 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because the night actions make zero sense otherwise. So instead of all of the shit that XRZ has said and done throughout the game, he is scum because of the night actions? You need to understand what you are saying when you call XRZ scum. You're saying that he got Malongo lynched just to save FT, who he is leaning scum towards. Why would he still have a scumread on his scumbuddy FT if he stuck his neck out to save him? | ||
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On August 02 2013 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Please don´t be bad now. Do you really think exarezee, a guy who has NEVER played with anyone of us fakeclaimed a cop in order to lynch his scumread Malongo over his scumread FT? Does this sound logical to you? That much balls for a first time player here? No, there were 2 scum wagons and exarezee looks better when he lynches the worse of those mafia dudes. Do you really think mafia believes there are two cops, and they let one of them have a check and kill vayne instead?? vayne, who has no guarantee of being a power role? Seriously Cora, think for a while please. Perhaps they were going to try and discredit your check before you did that yourself. You looked really terrible after the flip and you still looked terrible at the beginning of D3. Out of the two "cops", XRZ looked a lot better, so the town would be more likely to believe his check than yours. I'm not sure why they killed Vayne. Perhaps he was so town that they knew they couldn't lynch him? That's the part that doesn't make sense to me. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:07 Clarity_nl wrote: I can agree to at least one thing. If a GF flips, oats is cleared. I also believe there's no reason to consider lynching me until at least two scum flipped non roleblocker. I'm warming up to a FT lynch, have to reread some stuff though. If FT flips anything but a scum PR then xrz is cleared I believe. I'm around for questions. Up for a Koshi lynch? Getting rid of question marks has been very good for us once. Why not try again? | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:09 exarezee wrote: if koshi is scum, i'm sure tofu is scum. i'd rather get a tofu lynch in case tofu flips town which should get rid of this stupid scum case on me. If Tofu flips scum Rayn will never shut up =( | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:11 exarezee wrote: rayn's gonna be dead. so we don't need his clustermess in the thread. If Rayn keeps playing like he has the past 12 hours, he will be around for a long time, whether he is cop or not. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Corazon and Clarity, be honest with me here. Do you guys really think exarezee is so sure of himself and has such big balls that he fakeclaimed a cop to ensure a lynch on his scumread over another scumread? Because to me that makes absolutely zero sense. Didn't he claim cop when the votes were swinging over to me? He said he did it because he didn't want a no lynch and he wanted Malongo dead. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: There was never gonna be your lynch. It was either FT or Malongo or noone and i am pretty sure i could have convinced people to vote for FT. Well Clarity started that stupid-ass train on me. I'm not sure how many votes it got before XRZ's fakeclaim. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:27 Clarity_nl wrote: You weren't gonna get lynched stop being a baby about it Well then why'd you start the train in the first fucking place? | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:31 Clarity_nl wrote: Wanted to see who would switch since FT wasn't happening. And out of all of the people you chose, you chose me...? Whatever, that's in the past and I don't think you are scum for it. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay guys, read this very carefully. Put yourself into scum position. There are 3 PR claims. 2 cop and 1 vet. If all of us are town, mafia needs to assume all the claims are true. My intentions for claiming were very clear. hz´s intentions were very clear. XRZ got scum lynched. Now comes N2. Mafia can deal with both of the cops by roleblocking the other one and killing the other one. There is no possibility of 4 town roles, anyone who says so is fucking stupid. Mafia can´t possibly assume vayne is a power role unless they know XRZ is not a real cop. Mafia cannot know XRZ is not a real cop unless he is mafia. Killing vayne over 2 claimed cops is beyond retarded and the only possible explanation for that is that i look worse than XRZ, mafia knows XRZ is not a cop and they do think vayne is in fact cop/doc. This all means XRZ has to be mafia. He just has to be, there is no other explanation. You realize that scum kills for reasons other than bluehunting... So your theory is null. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Explain why mafia killed vayne, the dude noone listened to, over 2 cops. Mafia would kill Vayne so everyone would look at his reads and think that they killed him because he was right. Thats a definite possibility. Mafia would also not kill you because you said you were checking Oats, and if they knew Oats was green you were very likely to call him GF and call for his lynch, which would result in Oats getting lynched and then you getting lynched, thus winning the game for the scum. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: So mafia does not believe i am a cop when i claim a green check on a guy who is town. Makes sense? Why would a cop check Vayne? Especially over Firmtofu, your #1 scumread. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU KILL A DUDE WHO HAS NO GUARANTEE OF BEING BLUE OVER 2 CLAIMED BLUES?=?????? WHY THE FUCK NOONE IS THINKING WITH THEIR BRAIN!!" Are you drinking again? | ||
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Keep It Simple Stupid Scum killed Vayne because he was either right or they wanted to paint his scumreads in red and make it look like they killed Vayne because he was on the right track. Scum roleblocked XRZ and not Rayn because XRZ had so much more town cred and they knew Rayn was going to get a green check on Oats and still call him gf, allowing scum to refute Rayn's claim. It's not truly simple, but it's a lot better than the giant ass spider web that Rayn is trying to create. | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:53 Clarity_nl wrote: I find that hard to believe Cora since even if Vayne was right he was not actively pushing his reads. Surely a cop would have been a more obvious target? Who would ever believe Rayn? Ever since he tried to get FT's lynch, he's been playing super pissed off and erratic. Why would scum put that down? They want to create chaos in the town, and what better way could they accomplish that by having the confirmed cop posting like a maniac? | ||
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On August 03 2013 02:05 Clarity_nl wrote: It still makes sense with a roleblock, scum just withholds it. This also means that if xrz flips scum, oats is town. And if you are all wrong and XRZ flips town? | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:46 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: You guys are silly. Keep It Simple Stupid Scum killed Vayne because he was either right or they wanted to paint his scumreads in red and make it look like they killed Vayne because he was on the right track. Scum roleblocked XRZ and not Rayn because XRZ had so much more town cred and they knew Rayn was going to get a green check on Oats and still call him gf, allowing scum to refute Rayn's claim. It's not truly simple, but it's a lot better than the giant ass spider web that Rayn is trying to create. You are both town in this scenario... | ||
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On August 03 2013 03:20 hzflank wrote: CJS, all things considered to do still think that Exar is town? Do you think a VT would of claimed a guilty check 30 minutes before the lynch deadline when we are 1 mislynch from MYLO? Do you think that it is normal that VT Exar did not think I was town after he got roleblocked? I think Exar is town still. He wanted a lynch and he had a scumread on Malongo so he claimed and lynched scum. It worked. If you had doubts about the claim you shouldn't have voted for Malongo. The fact that we are still talking about this is kind of silly. I'll look into the last part but playing like an idiot isn't a scumtell, as Rayn is very near confirmed town... | ||
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On August 03 2013 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: So your thought process is that mafia killed vayne, a person who had absolutely zero credibility to convince anyone in this game even when Malongo flipped red, just because he was on the right track or wanted to paint his targets red (i was also one of them, remember). They did kill vayne over 2 claimed cops and let me have a check on Oats because i would call that green check scum afterwards? You are not making very much sense here. The only reason vayne was killed was because it was a blue snipe and XRZ is the only person who could possibly assume vayne is blue. It's a scenario where you both are town. Just think about it and see if it makse sense. | ||
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On August 03 2013 03:32 hzflank wrote: CJS, can you see a likely scenario where FT is town? I'll have to get back to you on that one...didn't FT go after XRC hard in the beginning? It would all have to come down to interactions between the two to see if they are scumbuddies or if XRC actually had a town read on FT at that moment in time. FT is still #3 on my lynch list. He's below Koshi (#1) and Stutters (#2). | ||
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On August 03 2013 04:00 hzflank wrote: Well, I can only do one thing at a time. First I am making sure why I think XRZ would do what he did as scum. Then I am going to look into what it means if XRZ did what he did at town. Well I am glad that you are going to look into both sides of the argument. | ||
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You basically said you were going to check Oats. You have been so tunneled on him that you would probably call him GF if you checked him (theoretically if scum knew Oats was town, which I think Oats is town as well) and got green. Then you would push for Oats lynch with your check and when Oats theoretically flipped green (which, once again, I believe would happen). When Oats hypothetically flipped green, scum would NK someone and then you would be lynched the following day. That would win the game for scum. While the Vayne kill is a bit more of a reach for me than not RBing you, scum could have been trying to paint his targets red. We will never know because your drunken "episode" happened right at the start of D3. That's why it makes sense to me. | ||
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On August 03 2013 04:15 Stutters695 wrote: Tofu Your name isn't Koshi | ||
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On August 02 2013 09:06 exarezee wrote: i got roleblocked On August 02 2013 09:07 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Who did you try to check? On August 02 2013 09:10 exarezee wrote: oats On August 02 2013 09:18 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Why Oats? Not Koshi or any of your other scum reads from the group of 5 you mentioned? On August 02 2013 10:10 exarezee wrote: I'm back on the computer. I can make a case against the others without a peek. This is assuming that the mafia did not have a roleblocker, (which I wish they didn't, because we could assume clarity is scum. I feel good about clarity being town now. I can now assume if someone else were roleblocked, they would have said something) I narrowed down my choice of peeks to justanothertownie, oats, or stutters. I don't have a good feel for their position. I decided to peek oats who was who rayn said he was going to peek. I don't understand where you are going with that. | ||
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1. Koshi 2. Stutters 3. FirmTofu 4. hz hz makes it into the list with a really bad case...starting to look like scum pushing a mislynch. | ||
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On August 03 2013 07:27 hzflank wrote: That does not make sense. Exar had to make his check assuming that he would neither be roleblocked or night killed. Therefore he had to assume that scum had no role blocker when he put the check in. He didn't have to assume that. He said that he banked on an Oats check in case Rayn got killed OR roleblocked. Why would he check Clarity and get a green check if (to him) having someone else be roleblocked would do the same thing? | ||
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On August 03 2013 07:31 hzflank wrote: Okay then, lets just lynch Exar since he has plenty of votes on him already. We can do the associations on Day 4...I am pretty sure I will still be around. THEN WHY ARE YOU MAKING THEM NOW | ||
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On August 03 2013 07:34 hzflank wrote: Cora, you think that Exar is town anyway, so you should not be too worried. No because when Exar flips town you are going to move on to the next player and make horribly-reasoned cases on them and continue to make horrible associations based on your shitty cases. Scum could go AFK from this point on and they would still win the game. | ||
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On August 03 2013 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: hz do not make these association cases before flip. There is no need to use your energy into that now. Rayn you've been doing that all game. Don't be hypocritical. | ||
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You guys are making a shit ton of assumptions and bad cases and yet you guys have 7 votes on XRC. Some of you aren't even trying! Koshi's vote was 100% sheeping, and he should be lynched next. Calling himself "emotionally detached" from the lynch is his excuse for saying that he does not care about the lynch. He has done jack shit for scumhunting and has sat around and done nothing while a bunch of townies lynch another townie. Look at his vote post. He's just rehashing things that have been said already and just voted for XRC. That vote is a huge scumslip, and it's really saddening that XRC has to die in order for you all to see that. | ||
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On August 04 2013 00:57 hzflank wrote: That's easy for you to say Cora. If any one of us knew that you were town then we would not be voting for Exar, either. Answer me this: lets say that xrz/cora/clarity are scum and we lynch Koshi today. How does town win? We just guess? We are trying here, but some of us have less information than others. You guys are going about it all wrong. It shouldn't be "1/2/3/4 is scum so we should lynch 1 first". That's really bad. You should take the scummiest player and lynch them. After their flip, you should make connections only about that flip. You guys are lynching XRC and making plans 2 days into the future. What if XRC's flip isn't what you expected? You guys have spent all of your energy making potential scumteams and it's all going to be for nothing if XRC flips town. | ||
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On August 04 2013 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not understand why CJS is not calling Clarity out hard for his shenanigans, because if he was town he should. Rayn, your confirmation bias is showing. What if I did not care that my town read tried to get me lynched and by the time I had gotten back we had lynched scum? He's not scum in my book and there has been nothing else that would point me to thinking he is scum. Unlike the rest of you, I'm not using shitty heuristics to make my scumreads. I'm taking the players I think are the scummiest and voting for them. I'm playing it simple, and you guys are overcomplicating things. | ||
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On August 04 2013 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are scum you can just concede as if XRZ flips mafia i am gonna lynch you and CJS right after. Rayn just stop posting. Your confirmation bias is so so so bad and you're basically screwing town over. | ||
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On August 04 2013 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why does Clarity pushing a lynch on you for no reason (no-lynch) instead of his scumread FT make sense to you? Because he thought FT wasn't getting lynched, so he wanted to lynch the player that YOU were saying was going to be lynched next. He had the SAME reads as you, he just wanted a lynch and decided to take it into his own hands. | ||
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I'm done with this shit. See you all after XRZ flips town. | ||
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On August 04 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: He just said he had no intention of lynching you?!?!!? On August 04 2013 03:35 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Rayn, your confirmation bias is showing. What if I did not care that my town read tried to get me lynched and by the time I had gotten back we had lynched scum? He's not scum in my book and there has been nothing else that would point me to thinking he is scum. Unlike the rest of you, I'm not using shitty heuristics to make my scumreads. I'm taking the players I think are the scummiest and voting for them. I'm playing it simple, and you guys are overcomplicating things. It doesn't matter. I thought he was town then and still think he is town now. | ||
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On August 04 2013 09:06 Koshi wrote: Unbelievable. Not unbelievable if anyone in this game was using their brains... | ||
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On August 04 2013 12:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are the fucking guy who told us all to to get off XRZ, for no reason, JUST TOWN! I hate you cora, i seriously hate you. fuck you asll. i hope i die. IDGAF anymope! I did not say "XRZ is town because he is town". I refuted every single one of your points and gave possible scenarios where you did not even try to think about the possibility of them. Town did not fail you, YOU failed the town and carried on a long line of confirmed towns who used their status to make the town even more confused than before. | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Stutters entrance in thread N3 screams scum. Just like XRZ was scum and Malongo was 100% town. Right. I love how you point out only Stutters' entrance as being scummy when Koshi's entrance was way scummier and he only returned when there were 3 votes on him. That sounds like a defensive scum play to me. Oats is town. The fact that he's not caring about anything is pretty consistent with his town meta. Don't get even farther off track with a possible Oats scum because it isn't possible. | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:41 hzflank wrote: If Oats is town then there are only 4 possible scum left. Do you see FT and Stutters both likely as being scum together? I think it's very unlikely that FT and Stutters are on the same scumteam. If I had to make a scumteam lineup, and I really hate to do this because it is stupid, I would put it at: JAT/Stutters/Koshi/Malongo There are way too many players that have played very similarly. It's the reason that we are facing MYLO (I think, I know we have one lynch left). These 4 players have all lurked at times, have not contributed to the scumhunt in a decent manner, and have generally been really useless for the entire game. Sure, their filters are long (most likely longer than mine), but they refuse to partake in discussion (especially over the last 2 days) and they refuse to weigh the circumstances of their vote. They just sheeped onto XRZ and allowed a townie to be lynched without giving it a second thought. Imagine if 2-3 players had been reading the thread and made an accurate decision instead of just going "It looks like XRZ is scum herp derp" and just agreeing with the same crappy heuristics that Rayn and company threw out. Out of all of these players, I truly think Koshi is the scummiest and the most likely to flip scum should he be lynched. That's why I want to vote for him D4. | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:53 justanothertownie wrote: This just isn't true concerning me. If you read my filter you wouldn't say this. Dude, your vote is even worse than Koshi's. In 5 posts, you go from "XRZ is town to me" to "XRZ is scum". The 5 posts inbetween were set-up speculation and using the same heuristics as everyone else who voted for XRZ. You even said that the thought process being used was ridiculous, yet you voted for XRC...scum trying to blend in? | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:55 hzflank wrote: Cora, do you think that Clarity, Rayn and myself are town? If so, there are only 4 possible people who can be scum (you think Oats is town), and those 4 include FT and Stutters. If FT and Stutters are not scum together then Koshi and JAT are scum. I am totally down for a Koshi lynch. Anyone want to give me a good reason to not lynch Koshi? I just stated my "scumteam"... Koshi/JAT/Stutters/Malongo | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Yep, true. Was hoping someone who I didn't consider confirmed town would answer honestly  If you think he's scum you shouldn't try to convince him that he's scum.  One at a time buddy...trying to lynch the entire scum team at once didn't really work for us D3 | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:00 justanothertownie wrote: No, it is just that I thought what hz said (the whole speculation stuff) made sense at that time and if xrz was town it would come to the current situation which didn't made much sense to me because I know I'm not scum and there are only a few other possibilities none of which I really thought are likely so I figured xrz might be scum. It was bad reasoning but it was my reasoning. So instead of thinking about your town read on XRZ for the first 2 days, you decided to 180 your read just off of what hz said? | ||
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Worst. Lynch. Ever. Ok that's the end of me talking about the XRZ lynch. | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:11 justanothertownie wrote: If he is scum he doesn't need to give a shit because town is heading towards a lose. Did you really just say this | ||
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On August 05 2013 03:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I´m going to check myself for sanity, obviously. It might even return "detective" which would mean i would be transferred into being a role-cop. Much better chances of finding a roleblocker that way. Yeah and then I'm going to get ridiculously drunk and 180 on all of my reads and then lynch another townie. HERP DERP | ||
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On August 05 2013 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol, i was not trying to moch you, honestly. I just found that game and everything that happened to you incredibly wrong. It was so hilarious you got the result from your self check and then town proceeded to lynch you. I even said in the obs QT "this is so absurd Cora has to be telling the truth". Lol we can talk about it later lol. It's hard to tell if you're joking or making fun of my over the internet. | ||
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You played the farthest thing imaginable from "perfect" D3. You literally just sheeped Rayn and hz and then lurked again, only to de-lurk when you had 3 votes on you. How is that a "perfect town" D3? | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:51 Koshi wrote: I didn't just sheep on XRZ. I clearly, very very clearly said why I was on XRZ. The lynch on XRZ was not a bad lynch. The reasons that I gave were more than enough to lynch him without him defended on that. What bad is: -Making a million association cases that prove that it is not bad to lynch XRZ anyway. (how does 1 defend himself against that, you don't even ask the guy questions?) -Starting the day with some insane vigor to get XRZ lynched and then actually succeeding in 60 minutes when all the other people are asleep, then when these other people join the thread not listen to them and just tunnel XRZ into the ground. THIS DOES NOT MAKE RAYN AND HZ SCUM. BUT IT IS FUCKING HORRIBLE TOWN PLAY. and perfect scum play. If it doesn't make then scum why are you talking about it? | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:44 justanothertownie wrote: But how much sense does one blue (vet) make if scum has a roleblocker? Not much. A scum rb and vet is completely balanced. It does not matter than scum have an RB if there is nothing to block, so it cancels each other out. Just saying. I still think Rayn is cop, but the setup is possible without one. | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:30 Clarity_nl wrote: Pretty sure rayn called me an idiot (correctly) for voting the claimed cop over the claimed cop's red check, because at worst it's a 1 for 1 (unless ofcourse its town faking a red check LOL) I don't recall him immediately believing the claim, as much as I remember him just making logical sense in the situation. You're saying scum have a roleblocker, but town has no cop or other powerrole that can be blocked? Yes this is a possible set-up. It's basically having goons and VT. | ||
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On August 05 2013 08:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: That´s obviously why i claimed a cop. Because i am in fact the vet, and instantly figured out your plan when you made your claim. I have also docced Cora every night. Oh you have been protecting me every night? How sweet of you <3 | ||
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But, for realsies: ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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On August 05 2013 09:26 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Lol hz are you really vig or are you just fucking with us. Yeah that was pretty bad claim timing...XD | ||
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On August 05 2013 09:27 hzflank wrote: I thought it would be more realistic to do it right at the start of the day. True but I mean the claim only lasts until people realize the mods haven't posted anything. A better use would've been to claim vig and say you are considering shooting FT and see reactions | ||
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On August 05 2013 09:43 FirmTofu wrote: No, please read my previous posts. I think rayn is more likely to be town than mafia because no cop is extremely unlikely. Also, I never said those people were confirmed town to me, I said they were confirmed town to the thread. Translation; they are unlynchable. So Oats and I aren't confirmed town to you? How come? | ||
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On August 05 2013 09:51 FirmTofu wrote: Again, you people are misinterpreting what I'm saying. When I said you guys are confirmed town, I meant you were unlynchable. I have a town read on both you and oats. Then why didnt you say that in the first place... | ||
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I'm still worried about Stutters, but he has made a lot more of an effort throughout the game than Koshi and JAT, so I'm less certain about him being on the scumteam. He's been kind of lurky the whole game, but the posts he has made have been well constructed and decently reasoned. The lurky part still has me worried about his play. | ||
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On August 06 2013 05:57 hzflank wrote: We are lynching Koshi today. He has basically claimed scum at this point, imo. But since Koshi has left the game there is nothing we can do except work towards the D5 lynch. Well you should tell Rayn this because he changed his vote, and once Rayn votes for someone he doesn't back down usually lol | ||
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On August 06 2013 06:19 hzflank wrote: One thing we know for sure: we can only win if all town vote for the same person every day from now on. Then tell Rayn to not be stupid. tbh that's how we got in this position... | ||
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On August 06 2013 06:30 hzflank wrote: Also Cora, as much as you might not like to we have to assume Koshi is scum right now and try to position ourselves to solve the game. It does not matter if we lynch scum today (which we will), only winning the game matters. And to win the game we need to find out whether or not Stutters is scum Well in a hypothetical situation where I had the only vote and controlled the lynch, I would vote Koshi, then JAT, and then we would have to choose between Stutters/FT and Oats (although he's probably not scum he isn't confirmed town so at that point we would have to look at him again). To vote Stutters out today would be really ballsy as the game is on the line here. I'm not confident enough to vote Stutters out today, especially with players like Koshi and JAT still alive. There's not much to say about this lynch if we are going to lynch Koshi 100%, we can't expect anyone to do anything productive until N4. | ||
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On August 06 2013 11:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: oats busses, him, stutters and koshi are mafia. Well you need to pick one of them to lynch, and Koshi is the safest bet. Am I right? | ||
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On August 06 2013 11:46 hzflank wrote: We will lynch Koshi today. But look at JAT's N3 and D4 play. You seem to be assuming that he is scum without seeing that he is trying to win for town. If we lynch Koshi I will be open to listening to you guys. But after the past 2 days (where none of you listened to me and we lynched scum and then pull off the worst lynch ever), you guys need to listen to me. | ||
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On August 06 2013 12:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you do not believe i am a cop, vote for me. If you do, do this: ##Unvote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster STOP POSTING AND GO TO BED | ||
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On August 06 2013 12:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not drunk and you are an idiot right now tbh. Look at the fucking evidence. So you don't believe any of the shit in that long ass post you wrote on Koshi now? Like what gives Rayn. | ||
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On August 06 2013 12:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: So you don't believe any of the shit in that long ass post you wrote on Koshi now? Like what gives Rayn. You've been wrong on almost all of your reads this game. At a point in time, you need to realize you are way off track and either need to reevaluate EVERYTHING you have observed from the game or take a step down and follow someone else for once. | ||
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On August 06 2013 13:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have pushed FT and koshi all tha game, Oats on D2/N2. Discussion for post game. You refused to lynch a scum and you tunneled a town. Don't twist the facts to make you look better. Can you put your own ego aside for one day and lynch someone who is so obviously scum? The game is on the line here. Are you really going to go with Oats? | ||
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On August 06 2013 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: btw, you were all in <3<3<3<33<3< with the guy who wanted to make your lynch a wagon for no real reason on D2, OVER MALONGO! fuck you cora, do not feed me with this shit when you can´t even say you are 100% right. fuck you Rayn. At least being somewhat right is a lot better than being 0% right. That's right...0% accuracy your wagons have been. 000000000.0% | ||
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On August 06 2013 13:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, ##Unvote: ##Vote: Koshi I vote with you as long as you are alive. I fuckingblame you of everything when you fuck up. Thank you Rayn. Trust me, I'm going to be right. | ||
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On August 07 2013 04:49 hzflank wrote: We still need 1 more vote on Koshi. We cannot trust him to keep his vote on himself. Stutters / Oats / FT, we need at least one of you. Well Stutters hasn't voted yet and FT said he would be up for either JAT or Koshi lynch so I hope we can get 5 barring Rayn getting drunk again | ||
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On August 07 2013 04:52 hzflank wrote: Then I hope that you read everything that I have said about Oats. I have completely nailed him over the last 12 hours. You should either think that he is scum or that I am horribly wrong. I made this handy guide to reading Oats after tunneling him in a bajillion games in a row: If he cares about what's going on, he's scum If he doesn't care about what's going on, he's town Right now he's still under the second one. | ||
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On August 07 2013 04:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: That´s not entirely right. Oats was clueless in NWMand didn´t really give a shit. He didn't give a shit and bluelightz and was town. | ||
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On August 07 2013 04:57 hzflank wrote: Sorry but that is not good enough. I want to win this game. I need more help. That's totally good enough. That's why I've had a town read on him since the middle of Night 1. There are 3 people who have played way scummier than Oats: Koshi, JAT, and Stutters You guys try to make association cases and I try to lynch off the scummiest players. My plan is to lynch Koshi, JAT, and then Stutters and get Town MVP because I carried the town on my back. Then we can have cake and I promise you, it's not a lie. | ||
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Koshi and Stutters haven't voted Oats is acting like an idiot | ||
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On August 07 2013 05:15 hzflank wrote: I cannot believe that you fail to push your reads and then blame other people when we lynch scum. Fuck. I cannot believe that you blame anyone for lynching Exar after what he did. I cannot fucking believe that you are refusing to read the game based on a meta read. I have been harassed all fucking game for stupid reasons. There are several people who must be town who have not scum hunted. This is all bullshit. I pushed my Oats read D1, I pushed my Malongo read D2, I've been pushing Koshi D3/D4. I gave a scenario where Rayn and XRC are town but no one bought it. I defended XRC and refuted every argument against him but you all still voted for him. I've been reading the game and I made a read on Oats. I'm probably right. Yeah and I'm not one of them, so idk why you are yelling at me. | ||
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So we have 7 on Koshi. | ||
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On August 07 2013 08:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hosts can we get a votecount? Koshi has 7 Stutters has 1 (Oats) | ||
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On August 07 2013 08:44 Koshi wrote: You can wait 15 mins? D: I have work in 15 minutes so...=( I can't | ||
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I'm going to go fish for compliments out of the obs QT to make myself feel better and then comment about the rest of the game. | ||
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People I feel bad for: Clarity- Literally the sole town player who established his townieness and was actually trying to win the game. Congrats to him. Shouldn't feel bad about this loss after all. XRC- Not necessarily for his play (he did kind of swing the momentum in scum's favor), but for his mislynch. That lynch was absolutely crappy and should not have happened under any circumstances. It was so easy as scum to call that a bad lynch and get so much town cred. hz- Kind of the same as Clarity, but didn't establish his townieness as much. Tried to get town focused come D4 but it was a bit too late by then. Malongo- I'm really sorry I had to bus you Malongo, but it was way too easy to get towncred and you kind of gave up. You should've asked for more help in the scum QT and have been more active. Sorry =( Everyone else Rayn- I'm going to start with you Rayn. I will be brief, but your play screwed the town over, and if you weren't confirmed cop you would've been lynched for sure. I literally told you the scum's plan on D3: On August 03 2013 01:46 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: You guys are silly. Keep It Simple Stupid Scum killed Vayne because he was either right or they wanted to paint his scumreads in red and make it look like they killed Vayne because he was on the right track. Scum roleblocked XRZ and not Rayn because XRZ had so much more town cred and they knew Rayn was going to get a green check on Oats and still call him gf, allowing scum to refute Rayn's claim. It's not truly simple, but it's a lot better than the giant ass spider web that Rayn is trying to create. And you still did not believe me. That's how ridiculous your play was. You need to lighten up on the tunnels, especially when all I have to do is say "Let's lynch Koshi" and then have you make a post like this: On August 06 2013 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi: D1: - Has a FirmTofu as townread because "in every game FirmTofu is capable of looking scummy early on". This makes no sense because if he looks scummy as town, there is no guarantee he would look scummy as mafia too. - Has Paperscraps as town read for no reason. - For same reasons that makes FirmTofu town (meta), Koshi says there is no guarantee for vayne to be town. He even explains why the situation is 100% like with FirmTofu. There is a contradiction in his thinking toward vayne/FT. One of them can be town by meta and another one can´t. - Koshi says he thinks hzflank is mafia for tunneling one dude for the entire day. The thing that makes hzflank mafia is that "mafia can hide behind tunneling so that they would not have to have reads on everyone". Koshi´s reads are at this point are "hzflank, gut-read leaning scum, everyone else null or town for no reasoning or bad reasoning (FT)". Another contradicting statement right there. He is playing just like he says scum would play. - Another set of posts where he accuses hzflank of only pushing his own wagon and not trying to find other mafia dudes. He is doing exactly the same thing, but he isn´t even trying to push the hz lynch. To me when Koshi interacts with hz it looks like he is interacting with a townie rather than scum. - After everything he consolidates on Paperscraps, his townread. He has not tried to push any other lynch, did not contribute towards any other wagons, was not pushing hz lynch at all. Basically did nothing to even try lynching mafia on D1. N1: - Koshi says Vivax´ vote switch is okay. I did not think that was okay at all unless he was pretty sure Paper was town. Koshi himself says " I knew he was town, and some others new he was town in the end. We didn't have the balls to remove our vote because we would get lynched by people like rayn". lol, at the end of the day HE WAS PUSHING PAPER LYNCH, HE WAS SURE PAPER WAS TOWN, HE DIDN´T HAVE BALLS TO NOT VOTE FOR HIS TOWNREAD!?!?!? Fear, insecurity, justification for a vote after townflip. Townies do not think like this. - Says he will not be tunneling hzflank on D2, because he is ssure the guy is mafia. Makes sense? Does... not... want.. to.. do.. his.. best.. to.. lynch.. his.. scum.. read... right! - "Clarity makes posts about everybody, goes in contact with everybody and is speaking his mind. You know that I like that. So Clarity is town. I expect him to create a lot of content Day 2 as well. I can reevaluate but he is town for me. " Clarity is town for exact same reasons why i am scum for Koshi. When i ask for him to elaborate, his answer is "it was a joke". D2: - On D2 start Koshi quotes his case on hzflank, some time later he votes for XRZ, no reasoning given. On N1 he said "XRZ fears no lynching from me". - Suddenly Oats and XRZ are in his scumreads, read the last point, that was also what he said earlier regarding Oats. - Adds Stutters in the scumlist because Stutters voted for Malongo when vayne´s check came out. - Exactly 3 hours later Stutters is confirmed town.. - FirmTofu is confirmed town. When asked for reasoning he tells people to compare FT/XRZ filters. Noone even asked anything about XRZ? - Adds JAT to his scumlist, for reasons that made him town earlier (being new, suddenly he is not new any more for some reason)? - Says this about JAT: "There is also the fact you also pop up when you are attacked, but blend away when the heat is off you" and "Your scumhunting hasn't been too extensive so far.". I do not think this is true, i think this is extremely true if you compare this to Koshi´s play however. - Again Stutters becomes mafia. Note that this read has changed three times for Koshi, and all the reasons for the read are from D1. Makes zero sense. - Koshi tells me that he really needs a red flip on D2. After this he votes for JAT, givves no real reasoning nor follows the vote up on any way. - After this changes his vote onto Stutters. Same resoning and follow up as above. - After this he consolidates on to FirmTofu -> CJS -> FT (both are his town reads). Remember, he "badly needed a red flip!!!" N2: - Nothing much to say here, calls XRZ town. D3: - Sheeps me onto XRZ. - "That combined with the fact hz and rayn are confirmed town and they want this lynch." After that: - I am pretty sure everyone remembers what Koshi has done after that. Now how on earth does any of this stuff make sense?? I know how, Koshi is mafia! Yeah. Please reevaluate your play before I have to policy shoot you as vig. Oats- Start caring about the game. Like seriously. Vayne- There's no use trying to justify your play. You were a detriment to the town and I really have no clue why we killed you. Someone else said you were on the right track and we killed you. Good thing it just made Rayn more confused. Yeah I think scum played decently well and we got a bit lucky with some things but this was the worst town atmosphere I have ever seen. If I was town, I would've been so pissed (although I would've pushed for Malongo's, FT's, and Koshi's lynches because they all looked really scummy) as well. Also: DO NOT MAKE ASSOCIATION CASES BEFORE THE LYNCH EVER Thank you to the hosts and thank you to my teammates. GG | ||
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My ragequit wasn't staged. That post I made detailing my reasons for ragequitting was a legit post. I would never fake quit in that manner unless it was incited by a bad lynch or something (like what I did for XRC's lynch). I don't know why you guys gave me towncred for it. It was really silly of you guys to think I was town. | ||
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On August 07 2013 11:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Actually another thing about this was that I just finished a game where town lost cause association cases when it was like d1/n1 in this game. And the same shit was happening again. And I knew it wasnt gonna go well cause association cases suck. Dude you lurked the entire game. You didn't even make a save in the first 2 nights like WTF? | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well if Corazon is mafia the game was invalid. What do you mean by this? | ||
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On August 07 2013 11:38 VayneAuthority wrote: but then again do you really want advice from some one that looked really scummy even with a green check? nah probably not loL Fuck you Vayne. If people thought I was scummy they would've called me gf. You played like shit. Like the worst kind of shit. So don't give me that bullshit. | ||
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On August 07 2013 11:39 hzflank wrote: To be fair, how much did association cases affect it? Exar was lynched for his fake-claim. You can call that a bad lynch but I never will. There is no good pro-town reason for making that fake-claim. I made a bit of an association case against Koshi but that is not why he was lynched. My case on Oats did not rely on association. My case on Tofu did not rely on association. The biggest association that I actually made that really hurt is was that Tofu and Stutters are not both scum. Yeah but after you made the cases and basically condemned XRC to death you just went: 1/2/3/4 is mafia It's a really bad way to go about things. You should be looking for ways you could possibly be wrong, which would have been plenty in XRC's case. Like if you had spent your time finding reasons XRC could be town instead of saying "1/2/3/4 is mafia", you would not have voted for him. | ||
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On August 07 2013 11:40 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't think you read the obs ^_^ you seem bitter that you were so obvious, its kay. I'd be mad too if I had to stage a life meltdown to win as scum. You are truly a terrible person Vayne. Truly terrible. Read: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=423230 I didn't fake shit, asshole. | ||
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On August 07 2013 11:43 s0Lstice wrote: basically, any moments of clarity were just flat out buried in all the other garbage. That's a pun that also proves a point. Well said. | ||
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On August 07 2013 11:46 VayneAuthority wrote: People I feel bad for: yea and you wonder why you get no sympathy. rose-tinted glasses my friend.... I don't understand what you are saying... | ||
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