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Vivax
22089 Posts
On July 30 2013 07:07 Stutters695 wrote: Vivax my case wasn't based around the scumslip. What do you think of what I said? Very perceptive from you. Waiting for Tofu to explain where his scumreads went within two hours. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
What are your top scum reads right now? | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On July 30 2013 07:09 Clarity_nl wrote: With you doing this I'm obviously not getting nightkilled you dumbass. This feels like Mario Mini where I was obvtown, people called me obvtown, and then suddenly random townies made cases on me d3 and I died. Make your damn case so I can explain why you're an idiot and you can move on to better things. I know that feel man. Last game if Tofu didn't make that boss play I was probably going to be mislynched d2. Roulette I was going to be mislynched except that vivax got confirmed scum through the roulette actions. Now I'm going to get mislynched/viged because all people see is a two page filter rather than what I'm saying in the pages. | ||
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Vivax
22089 Posts
On July 30 2013 07:16 hzflank wrote: I think that Stutters would probably flip red, but if I approach it in that order then I am setting myself up for a big fail. Attempting to name the entire scum team when we have no scum flips is foolish, but if I did so then Stutters would be in there. I would prefer to go one step at a time. Do you disagree with what he just brought up about FirmTofu? He brings up something quite good. | ||
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
On July 30 2013 07:06 hzflank wrote: I don't think that your take on Koshi and I comes from a town perspective. It does not appear to be a scum-scum relationship in the slightest and I think that you know something that I do not. Look at the very first conversation that I had with Koshi here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=34#661 That is not scum-scum. Even if you argue that the later day 1 conversation was, the night conversation was not. If you are going to make such a wild claim then either I need to understand how you arrived at that position or I think that you are scum. It was a gut feeling (Vivax asked me to post it) because at that point my gut said both of you could be scum and I think you would take a fight with your scumbuddy without a problem. If you want a detailed opinion from me on that matter why the fuck don't you ask me earlier? It's like earlier in the game where people like you said I should be questioned and proceeded to not asking me relevant questions ever. I will give you an updated read on the subject when I'm done with Koshis filter. I already read yours and it isn't pretty. On July 30 2013 07:06 hzflank wrote: By the way, regarding Koshi and me: It is going to be a mess on day 2. Regardless of his alignment he is going to push hard at me and I am going to have to make a series of long and possibly boring posts and everyone is going to wish that we would both just stop posting. This is not a scum-scum thing. Very true. It will be like most of your early posts in this thread. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 30 2013 07:21 Vivax wrote: Do you disagree with what he just brought up about FirmTofu? He brings up something quite good. I noticed what he brought up at the time that Tofu posted it. I was really tired/unwell at the time so I may have read it wrong, but I had a different take on it to Stutters. Tofu named a 4 man scum team based on Paper being scum and then implied that he would completely re-evaluate it based on Paper's flip. That is not scummy for the reason that Stutters is saying it is scummy. If I want to call it scummy then it would be because the 4 names Tofu put together made no sense as a group, but realistically when anyone names a 4 man scum team on day 1 it is going to be horrible. In fact I do not agree with Tofu's reads in general this game, but they are at least believable so I do not think that makes him scum. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 30 2013 07:20 FirmTofu wrote: @hzflank What are your top scum reads right now? JAT. There are a lot of things that I do not like about Rayn, but I need to wait until I have a clearer head before I get stuck into it tomorrow, as I expect that it will be a slug-fest. I could totally see Stutters being scum with those two, but I would rather go at JAT and Rayn first. If I am completely wrong about those people then I would think that Koshi is scum. But I need to at least get a better read on JAT and Rayn before I think about trying to lynch Koshi. Koshi being scum does not fit well with JAT and Rayn being scum. | ||
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Vivax
22089 Posts
On July 30 2013 07:25 hzflank wrote: I noticed what he brought up at the time that Tofu posted it. I was really tired/unwell at the time so I may have read it wrong, but I had a different take on it to Stutters. Tofu named a 4 man scum team based on Paper being scum and then implied that he would completely re-evaluate it based on Paper's flip. That is not scummy for the reason that Stutters is saying it is scummy. If I want to call it scummy then it would be because the 4 names Tofu put together made no sense as a group, but realistically when anyone names a 4 man scum team on day 1 it is going to be horrible. In fact I do not agree with Tofu's reads in general this game, but they are at least believable so I do not think that makes him scum. More specifically, do you think that the point mentioned could have come from a scum stutters? | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
hzflank, I can get aboard a rayn lynch. His actions are extremely out of place. His reads are flying all over the place and don't any logical sense. It feels like he's trying to attack everyone a little bit to establish himself as abrasive and therefore town. I don't like it at all. I am leaning slightly scum on both JAT and stutters, especially after stutter's jumbled case on me. I'll have to filter dive to be sure, though. | ||
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Vivax
22089 Posts
I'll be honest. I don't really understand Stutter's case on me. If someone could clarify what exactly he's getting at, that would be great. Explain what happened between those read posts of yours. + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 08:48 FirmTofu wrote: My reads. I don't have much time, but I'll expand on these in my next post if there's still time. Player List: 1. Oatsmaster 2. Vivax 3. Clarity_nl 4. MCaptainJackSparrow 5. raynpelikoneet 6. Paperscraps 7. Malongo 8. VayneAuthority 9. Stutters695 10. hzflank 11. Koshi 13. justanothertownie 14. exarezee Yes, I think exarezee is town now based on the way he's been behaving regarding the lynch. I'm null on those without colors. On July 29 2013 11:28 FirmTofu wrote: I don't know what do think of the whole rayn/vivax/koshi trifecta. Koshi is probably town though. Scum is probably some combination of JAT/hzflank/exarezee and possibly rayn. I highly doubt vivax and rayn are on the same team, but I can't decide which one is scum. Vivax's unvote looks like scum trying to cause a no lynch, but I highly doubt scum would want to draw so much attention to themselves unless they had a back-up plan. Vivax's filter also feels really town to me aside from the part where he votes me for finding him suspicious. Null rayne's play is consistent with his town meta. He's been all over the place, much like me, and switches his reads on the fly. I don't like his reads and I think they are scummy, but his behavior doesn't seem like something scum would pull. Null-slightly scum hzflank has been pressured by koshi and malongo quite a bit and has chosen to sit in the sidelines for the majority of this game. I'm going to filter dive him and see if there's something I missed. I'm currently looking at him very closely. Leaning scum exarezee had a very townie approach to the lynch and stayed with his reads the entire game. Although much of his early game posting was scummy, I think he has redeemed himself with his behavior somewhat. However, with the flip, I'm going to have to look at him in detail. I'm not willing to clear him yet because the flip does incriminate him a little bit. Null-slightly scum JAT had a very suspicious delurk timing today. I can't help but feel he's laughing his ass off while vote out a townie, only to pop into the thread as soon as night begins to make himself look townie. Scum | ||
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 30 2013 07:39 Vivax wrote: Explain what happened between those read posts of yours. + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 08:48 FirmTofu wrote: My reads. I don't have much time, but I'll expand on these in my next post if there's still time. Player List: 1. Oatsmaster 2. Vivax 3. Clarity_nl 4. MCaptainJackSparrow 5. raynpelikoneet 6. Paperscraps 7. Malongo 8. VayneAuthority 9. Stutters695 10. hzflank 11. Koshi 13. justanothertownie 14. exarezee Yes, I think exarezee is town now based on the way he's been behaving regarding the lynch. I'm null on those without colors. On July 29 2013 11:28 FirmTofu wrote: I don't know what do think of the whole rayn/vivax/koshi trifecta. Koshi is probably town though. Scum is probably some combination of JAT/hzflank/exarezee and possibly rayn. I highly doubt vivax and rayn are on the same team, but I can't decide which one is scum. Vivax's unvote looks like scum trying to cause a no lynch, but I highly doubt scum would want to draw so much attention to themselves unless they had a back-up plan. Vivax's filter also feels really town to me aside from the part where he votes me for finding him suspicious. Null rayne's play is consistent with his town meta. He's been all over the place, much like me, and switches his reads on the fly. I don't like his reads and I think they are scummy, but his behavior doesn't seem like something scum would pull. Null-slightly scum hzflank has been pressured by koshi and malongo quite a bit and has chosen to sit in the sidelines for the majority of this game. I'm going to filter dive him and see if there's something I missed. I'm currently looking at him very closely. Leaning scum exarezee had a very townie approach to the lynch and stayed with his reads the entire game. Although much of his early game posting was scummy, I think he has redeemed himself with his behavior somewhat. However, with the flip, I'm going to have to look at him in detail. I'm not willing to clear him yet because the flip does incriminate him a little bit. Null-slightly scum JAT had a very suspicious delurk timing today. I can't help but feel he's laughing his ass off while vote out a townie, only to pop into the thread as soon as night begins to make himself look townie. Scum The flip? The first post were my reads assuming Paper was scum. The second post was a reevaluated list of reads based on the Paper town flip. | ||
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
Rayn - Scum Stutters - Scum Vivax - Null Exarezee - Null-leaning scum JAT - Scum hzflank - Null | ||
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Vivax
22089 Posts
Why did Malong, stutters and Koshi end up being town just cause PS flipped town? | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
Stutters is still scum to me. His actions during the flip are unforgivable and his case against me isn't even really a case at all. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
xrz: Slight town, his little "I figured it out" on day one with him thinking one of FT or Paper HAS to be scum (even if wrong) makes him town in my eyes. You don't really see this logic from scum, let alone that he kept it up consistently throughout day 1. Also he's had a townread on me with GOOD REASONS for it. FirmTofu: Ugh, really, I think he's town. Yes, it's mainly because of him going OMG FOUND A SCUMSLIP. rayn: I think him jumping on Koshi a bit before lynchtime the way he did makes him lean town, regardless of what Paper flipped. His night 1 however makes me very wary. Oats: Town, spammy oats who speaks his mind is town oats. Sadly he doesn't read the thread before speaking as either alignment. CJS: He town yo. Vayne: vigi this fuck, useless. The "day 1 is useless stuff" I can swallow but then going "I told you so" during n2 and still not explaining the shit he's spewing, useless or scum. Malongo: I'm clueless about him now after learning about his meta. Vivax: I mean, he's supposed to be playing good but he's pushing me. He also just kinda jumped on everything in the thread when I asked him for the case. Lot of effort to "win" though, leaning town. Koshi: I really hated his useless lists day 1. Gets heavy pressure and does this: On July 29 2013 19:52 Koshi wrote: Did you forget yesterday? Or is it today contradiction day? On July 29 2013 19:55 Koshi wrote: IT IS CONTRADICTION DAY! I mean, who does that? JAT: Dunno. If my two scumreads are correct I guess he's town? hzflank: I kind of ignored my gut on day 1 when I had that interaction with him. He felt extremely afraid and he felt like I was targetting him despite me not doing anything close to that. I think scum are more likely to have this kneejerk defensive response. All the other reasons have been beaten to death. Yes he has this one part in this one post that looks townie but its less convincing that FirmTofu's thing. Stutters: Leaning more and more scum on him. It's not about the short filter, I did look and yes, his meta is to not post that much especially day 1. First, his constant references to his activity always being low, despite when people pressure him they don't mention his activity (except for vivax day 1) His day 1 "case" on Vivax is pretty atrocious. Wanting to lynch CJS on day 1 because of his ragequit is dumb or scum. Night 1 he jumps on the FT bandwagon but decides he needs to have his own unique reasons (which always smells scummy to me) My only problem is, obviously, currently hz is calling stutters scum. Doesn't mean they can't both be scum, but I think it makes it less likely. Regardless, theres my list, Stutters is a good lynch tomorrow. I'm going to bed nao, night night peoples. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 30 2013 07:30 Vivax wrote: More specifically, do you think that the point mentioned could have come from a scum stutters? Sorry for the delay, that question requires better analysis than I am capable of right now :p First I will answer an easier question: I think that could totally have come from a town Stutters. If you look at it in thread then Stutters already had a scum-read growing on Tofu when Tofu posted the list then and then Stutters flipped out thinking that Tofu was definitely scum. Considering how things unfolded it does make sense for town-Stutters to bring this up now. As for that coming from Scum-Stutters... It could, but it is not likely. It's still only one post and a single post can be faked. Going over that post thoroughly is making me doubt that Stutters is scum though. It looks so so much like Stutters made that post from a town point of view. I need to think about this more, but I would definitely not want to kill Stutters right now. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On July 30 2013 07:25 hzflank wrote: I noticed what he brought up at the time that Tofu posted it. I was really tired/unwell at the time so I may have read it wrong, but I had a different take on it to Stutters. Tofu named a 4 man scum team based on Paper being scum and then implied that he would completely re-evaluate it based on Paper's flip. That is not scummy for the reason that Stutters is saying it is scummy. If I want to call it scummy then it would be because the 4 names Tofu put together made no sense as a group, but realistically when anyone names a 4 man scum team on day 1 it is going to be horrible. In fact I do not agree with Tofu's reads in general this game, but they are at least believable so I do not think that makes him scum. Here is the problem with that line of thinking. When the PS wagon started rolling, he was against it initially. He concocted two completely association based scumteams to allow himself to get on the wagon without being completely scummy for it. He offers no justification for the associations beyond basic "buddying" nor any explanation for why Mal/Koshi can't be scum if Paper wasn't. He isn't contributing in any meaningful way and is skirting actually contributing in favor of telling us what we want to hear. This isn't the same tofu from I swear 2 | ||
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