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On July 30 2013 07:51 FirmTofu wrote:
Malongo and Koshi are very closely linked. They've been buddying each other the whole game. On reads and just about everything else. They were trying to prevent the PS lynch by voting hzflank, someone they thought was a stronger scumread. This makes sense if they were both town, but not if they are both scum. Thus, a PS town flip exonerates them.
Stutters is still scum to me. His actions during the flip are unforgivable and his case against me isn't even really a case at all.
Did you simply forget to add him among your scumreads post-flip?
Scum is probably some combination of JAT/hzflank/exarezee and possibly rayn. I highly doubt vivax and rayn are on the same team, but I can't decide which one is scum.
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Anyway if anyone wants to bounce ideas I'll be here until like 8 or 9 edt and then I'll be drinking at a bar where I only get service in the parking lot so I won't be playing much, maybe checking my phone on a smoke break.
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So, I thought about it and I came to the conclusion that you are absolutely right, hz. Koshi and you are not both scum - it's just you. If I had read Koshis case on you closely before I posted this 4 lynch candidates I wouldn't have put him in there. His case against you makes a shitton of sense and I can and will add content to that shortly. I underestimated Koshi because I read a game he played in where his play was extremely weird and because of his lazy play (lynch-lists with only lurkers) D1.
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On July 30 2013 07:59 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 07:25 hzflank wrote:On July 30 2013 07:21 Vivax wrote:On July 30 2013 07:16 hzflank wrote:On July 30 2013 06:51 Vivax wrote:
Can you explain the bolded to me though? Do you auto-assume that stutters would flip red if shot? I think that Stutters would probably flip red, but if I approach it in that order then I am setting myself up for a big fail. Attempting to name the entire scum team when we have no scum flips is foolish, but if I did so then Stutters would be in there. I would prefer to go one step at a time. Do you disagree with what he just brought up about FirmTofu? He brings up something quite good. I noticed what he brought up at the time that Tofu posted it. I was really tired/unwell at the time so I may have read it wrong, but I had a different take on it to Stutters. Tofu named a 4 man scum team based on Paper being scum and then implied that he would completely re-evaluate it based on Paper's flip. That is not scummy for the reason that Stutters is saying it is scummy. If I want to call it scummy then it would be because the 4 names Tofu put together made no sense as a group, but realistically when anyone names a 4 man scum team on day 1 it is going to be horrible. In fact I do not agree with Tofu's reads in general this game, but they are at least believable so I do not think that makes him scum. Here is the problem with that line of thinking. When the PS wagon started rolling, he was against it initially. He concocted two completely association based scumteams to allow himself to get on the wagon without being completely scummy for it. He offers no justification for the associations beyond basic "buddying" nor any explanation for why Mal/Koshi can't be scum if Paper wasn't. He isn't contributing in any meaningful way and is skirting actually contributing in favor of telling us what we want to hear. This isn't the same tofu from I swear 2
Devil's advocate here: Could Tofu not of done that because it is majority lynch and he just really wanted to avoid a no lynch?
I am having a hard time getting my head around people who see a relationship between Mal and Koshi. It;s probably because they have both only tunnelled me so I have a unique perspective on them, I really do not think that there is a relationship between Mal and Koshi.
I will make sure to go over all of this (Tofu) again tomorrow. Tofu has been null to me for a very long time now so I should probably try to force a refresh.
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On July 30 2013 08:23 justanothertownie wrote:
So, I thought about it and I came to the conclusion that you are absolutely right, hz. Koshi and you are not both scum - it's just you. If I had read Koshis case on you closely before I posted this 4 lynch candidates I wouldn't have put him in there. His case against you makes a shitton of sense and I can and will add content to that shortly. I underestimated Koshi because I read a game he played in where his play was extremely weird and because of his lazy play (lynch-lists with only lurkers) D1.
Koshi and I were your top two scum reads. You should of read our exchanges closely before you formed those reads.
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On July 29 2013 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Gut-wise? I would prefer looking at filters before I post reads again. I was totally wrong yesterday and I didn't have the time to take another close look at the game as of yet.
I know. I blame Vivax for making me post gut-reads.
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I'm still on my phone so I can't address stutters directly. Ill be home in about an hour and a half so ill look at it in detail and give you a revised read of stutters.
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And in case I'm not around after the night ends. Viging me would be straight retarded when this game has Mal/Vayne in it (or even better, Tofu if you want to treat it as a second lynch instead of clearing a 50/50 type lurker).
Also if you shoot during the night I'll take that as a scum claim because there is literally no upside to it. It allows a scum Janitor to either hide the flip or also try to kill at night.
You also can't get RB'd during the day if I'm not mistaken so you should announce your shot before you PM it in. This makes a scum kill attempting to look like a town Vig a 50% chance at outing them since it might not kill.
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Totally, the Vig shot should be saved for day 2, if we have one.
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Stutters, you should totally stay around for the day post. I have found something really cool. You are going to laugh your ass off.
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My main lynch target tomorrow at this point would probably be XRZ.
If I die, still use your own head. I hate when people use my reads without some own reasoninhg post-death.
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If I'm not at the bar I will be. It's all up to when the DD gets here.
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Murder FT if i die. If i do not die i will do it.
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Vayne is the vig target of choice.
I can't stand when people play like that.
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Hey guys, I've been busy all day spending time with friends, and I'm about to go out for an hour and get some exercise. I'm sorry I can't post a long "if I die" post, but a lot of my scum reads were in my really long post about the D1 lynch. If anyone has any questions for me if I survive, I'd love to hear them when I return.
I also need to catch up with a lot of reading, so I will be busy for a little bit after I return.
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I do not expect to die tonight. I will post shortly after the day post.
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Rayn I think I am about to make you want to murder me....IRL.
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Are night actions locked in now? Can I post freely?
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