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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 29 2013 21:39 GMT
#1461
Also Vivax, the Night Vig can be roleblocked and/or Janitor ed anyway, as it does not fire anyway. Day Vig much better.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 29 2013 21:40 GMT
#1462
On July 30 2013 06:35 Vivax wrote:
Hzflank, if I had the ability to vig stutters right now, would you agree on it?

I know you aren't asking me, but this sounds like a great idea. Stutters has been scummy all game and his play isn't improving. His posts around the lynch worry me greatly.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 29 2013 21:41 GMT
#1463
EBWOP to clarify. I was in no way claiming Doc. Just to be clear. This is not some pseudo claim either, I am claiming nothing.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
July 29 2013 21:43 GMT
#1464
Jesus fucking christ.

How could I be so blind. What the fuck is this.

On July 29 2013 08:48 FirmTofu wrote:

7. Malongo


On July 29 2013 08:50 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 08:49 Koshi wrote:
Tofu. If paper turns green that changes right?

Vivax and rayn look bad then?

If paper flips green, I'm not sure what to think. I'm pretty sure that you and Malongo are town though.


malongo - scum for buddying. hz wagon is just a way to push off votes from paper to someone else.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
July 29 2013 21:43 GMT
#1465
You are a treasure stutters
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 29 2013 21:45 GMT
#1466
First quote was referring to if Paper flipped scum.
Second quote was referring to if Paper flipped town.

Two completely different scenarios.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
July 29 2013 21:46 GMT
#1467
On July 30 2013 06:39 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 06:35 Vivax wrote:
Hzflank, if I had the ability to vig stutters right now, would you agree on it?


Hmm, depends if I knew if there was actually a doc on you. I would prefer a Vig to save his shot until day 2 because I have an awesome conspiracy theory. So if you will 100% survive the night I would ask you to save the shot

If you had to fire now then I would not be against a shot on Stutters as he has a reasonable chance of being scum. I think that JAT has a higher chance of flipping scum, but Stutters is up there. If Stutters flipped red then I would want to lynch JAT next anyway though, so I would say just shoot JAT instead.

Mind explaining?
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 29 2013 21:48 GMT
#1468
I'm going to filter dive a few people and reassess my reads. I'm finding rayn and vivax a bit hard to read atm. Be back soon.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
July 29 2013 21:51 GMT
#1469
OKAY TOFU.
I fell for the usual scumslip bias.

Can you explain something to me nontheless?

On July 30 2013 06:25 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm not sure if I missed something. Can someone explain to me how and why rayn has a town read on Koshi and Vivax now?


What about the Koshi part did you find worthy of explanation since Rayn seems to have reached the same conclusion as you?

On July 30 2013 06:39 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 06:35 Vivax wrote:
Hzflank, if I had the ability to vig stutters right now, would you agree on it?


Hmm, depends if I knew if there was actually a doc on you. I would prefer a Vig to save his shot until day 2 because I have an awesome conspiracy theory. So if you will 100% survive the night I would ask you to save the shot

If you had to fire now then I would not be against a shot on Stutters as he has a reasonable chance of being scum. I think that JAT has a higher chance of flipping scum, but Stutters is up there. If Stutters flipped red then I would want to lynch JAT next anyway though, so I would say just shoot JAT instead.


I'm not vig, being honest. I wanted to claim I'd shoot Vayne so the mofo would get scared and start posting, but I assumed it was night vig.

Can you explain the bolded to me though? Do you auto-assume that stutters would flip red if shot?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
July 29 2013 21:53 GMT
#1470
Like, what in the holy shit.
Scumslip city tonight.

Shoot JAT instead cause stutters would flip red and then I'd want to lynch JAT anyway.


Are you high HZ?
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 29 2013 21:54 GMT
#1471
On July 30 2013 06:51 Vivax wrote:
OKAY TOFU.
I fell for the usual scumslip bias.

Can you explain something to me nontheless?

Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 06:25 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm not sure if I missed something. Can someone explain to me how and why rayn has a town read on Koshi and Vivax now?


What about the Koshi part did you find worthy of explanation since Rayn seems to have reached the same conclusion as you?

Sure, rayn had a scum read on Koshi pre-flip when he was "99% sure Paper was town".

Therefore, his read on Koshi should not have changed based on the flip, right? I didn't see any post in particular that warranted such a drastic shift from rayn so I'm asking if anyone can procure the post that changed his mind.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
July 29 2013 22:00 GMT
#1472
On July 30 2013 06:54 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 06:51 Vivax wrote:
OKAY TOFU.
I fell for the usual scumslip bias.

Can you explain something to me nontheless?

On July 30 2013 06:25 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm not sure if I missed something. Can someone explain to me how and why rayn has a town read on Koshi and Vivax now?


What about the Koshi part did you find worthy of explanation since Rayn seems to have reached the same conclusion as you?

Sure, rayn had a scum read on Koshi pre-flip when he was "99% sure Paper was town".

Therefore, his read on Koshi should not have changed based on the flip, right? I didn't see any post in particular that warranted such a drastic shift from rayn so I'm asking if anyone can procure the post that changed his mind.


That's a good question.
Upon rereading this night's posts of Rayn, I don't see what happened to his Koshi scumread
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 29 2013 22:01 GMT
#1473
On July 30 2013 07:00 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 06:54 FirmTofu wrote:
On July 30 2013 06:51 Vivax wrote:
OKAY TOFU.
I fell for the usual scumslip bias.

Can you explain something to me nontheless?

On July 30 2013 06:25 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm not sure if I missed something. Can someone explain to me how and why rayn has a town read on Koshi and Vivax now?


What about the Koshi part did you find worthy of explanation since Rayn seems to have reached the same conclusion as you?

Sure, rayn had a scum read on Koshi pre-flip when he was "99% sure Paper was town".

Therefore, his read on Koshi should not have changed based on the flip, right? I didn't see any post in particular that warranted such a drastic shift from rayn so I'm asking if anyone can procure the post that changed his mind.


That's a good question.
Upon rereading this night's posts of Rayn, I don't see what happened to his Koshi scumread


IF ONLY SOMEONE BROUGHT THIS UP EARLIER, I DUNNO
You're kind of starting to annoy me Vivax, although I'm glad that you're trying hard
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
July 29 2013 22:03 GMT
#1474
You better get ready to be annoyed a lot more Clarity.
Especially when me and the town push you off the ship.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 29 2013 22:05 GMT
#1475
On July 30 2013 07:03 Vivax wrote:
You better get ready to be annoyed a lot more Clarity.
Especially when me and the town push you off the ship.


Give it your best shot baby.
Or you know, don't, cause I'm town.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
July 29 2013 22:06 GMT
#1476
On July 30 2013 07:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 07:03 Vivax wrote:
You better get ready to be annoyed a lot more Clarity.
Especially when me and the town push you off the ship.


Give it your best shot baby.
Or you know, don't, cause I'm town.


Yea sure.
I'm sure town feels like shouting how townie they are during the phase where scum picks their targets.
You can't fool me broski.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 29 2013 22:06 GMT
#1477
On July 30 2013 06:46 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 06:39 hzflank wrote:
On July 30 2013 06:35 Vivax wrote:
Hzflank, if I had the ability to vig stutters right now, would you agree on it?


Hmm, depends if I knew if there was actually a doc on you. I would prefer a Vig to save his shot until day 2 because I have an awesome conspiracy theory. So if you will 100% survive the night I would ask you to save the shot

If you had to fire now then I would not be against a shot on Stutters as he has a reasonable chance of being scum. I think that JAT has a higher chance of flipping scum, but Stutters is up there. If Stutters flipped red then I would want to lynch JAT next anyway though, so I would say just shoot JAT instead.

Mind explaining?


I don't think that your take on Koshi and I comes from a town perspective. It does not appear to be a scum-scum relationship in the slightest and I think that you know something that I do not. Look at the very first conversation that I had with Koshi here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720&currentpage=34#661

That is not scum-scum. Even if you argue that the later day 1 conversation was, the night conversation was not.

If you are going to make such a wild claim then either I need to understand how you arrived at that position or I think that you are scum.

On day 1 you were pressured and with the way the game went it turned out that a large number of people defended you by proxy (including me). If we were to Vig one of those people such as Stutters and they were to flip red then I would still think that you are scum and I would still want to lynch you.

By the way, regarding Koshi and me: It is going to be a mess on day 2. Regardless of his alignment he is going to push hard at me and I am going to have to make a series of long and possibly boring posts and everyone is going to wish that we would both just stop posting. This is not a scum-scum thing.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
July 29 2013 22:07 GMT
#1478
Vivax my case wasn't based around the scumslip. What do you think of what I said?
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 29 2013 22:09 GMT
#1479
On July 30 2013 07:06 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 07:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 30 2013 07:03 Vivax wrote:
You better get ready to be annoyed a lot more Clarity.
Especially when me and the town push you off the ship.


Give it your best shot baby.
Or you know, don't, cause I'm town.


Yea sure.
I'm sure town feels like shouting how townie they are during the phase where scum picks their targets.
You can't fool me broski.


With you doing this I'm obviously not getting nightkilled you dumbass.
This feels like Mario Mini where I was obvtown, people called me obvtown, and then suddenly random townies made cases on me d3 and I died.

Make your damn case so I can explain why you're an idiot and you can move on to better things.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 29 2013 22:16 GMT
#1480
On July 30 2013 06:51 Vivax wrote:
Can you explain the bolded to me though? Do you auto-assume that stutters would flip red if shot?


I think that Stutters would probably flip red, but if I approach it in that order then I am setting myself up for a big fail. Attempting to name the entire scum team when we have no scum flips is foolish, but if I did so then Stutters would be in there. I would prefer to go one step at a time.
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