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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
July 29 2013 19:36 GMT
#1401
On July 30 2013 04:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:


That being said;
If there is a doctor, doc Vivax!

I second this.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 29 2013 19:38 GMT
#1402
On July 30 2013 04:29 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 04:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 30 2013 04:21 exarezee wrote:
On July 30 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
XRZ posts stuff that Paper said, brings up no conclusions of his own. What's the point of saying what someone said if you don't reach to a conclusion? Especially when you have just said you find that important....

VA looks like he is not giving shit about this game. VA is scum when he does not give a shit about the game. He takes the easiest way out and this is what seems to be the case here.-


Are you being daft on purpose? If I knew for 100% certainty you were town, I would be more inclined to go with your reads than to follow even someone i thought was 95% chance to be town.

That's not my point. My point is that you said you find Paper as confirmed town is worth looking into. What his reads were and stuff.

When you look into them, you are just saying what Paper said, you are not saying why you think those reads are correct or wrong. You don't use the information you find to be important in the first place. Instead you are asking other people why they are not looking into his filter...

You don't need anyone's permission to show us what you found, and apparently you have found nothing important in the place you just claimed contains important information.

That's fucking scummy.


Please quote where I said it contains important information. And I will apologize to you. I said I found it strange nobody looked into paper's opinions. What you choose to do with his opinions is up to you.


If you think the information is not important, why do you post this:
On July 30 2013 03:44 exarezee wrote:
Am I the only who finds it strange that nobody has gone through and looked at Paper's reads? He's the only confirmed town besides yourself, and nobody wants to look at his opinions?

And ~5 other posts about the subject?
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exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 29 2013 19:41 GMT
#1403
On July 30 2013 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 04:29 exarezee wrote:
On July 30 2013 04:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 30 2013 04:21 exarezee wrote:
On July 30 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
XRZ posts stuff that Paper said, brings up no conclusions of his own. What's the point of saying what someone said if you don't reach to a conclusion? Especially when you have just said you find that important....

VA looks like he is not giving shit about this game. VA is scum when he does not give a shit about the game. He takes the easiest way out and this is what seems to be the case here.-


Are you being daft on purpose? If I knew for 100% certainty you were town, I would be more inclined to go with your reads than to follow even someone i thought was 95% chance to be town.

That's not my point. My point is that you said you find Paper as confirmed town is worth looking into. What his reads were and stuff.

When you look into them, you are just saying what Paper said, you are not saying why you think those reads are correct or wrong. You don't use the information you find to be important in the first place. Instead you are asking other people why they are not looking into his filter...

You don't need anyone's permission to show us what you found, and apparently you have found nothing important in the place you just claimed contains important information.

That's fucking scummy.


Please quote where I said it contains important information. And I will apologize to you. I said I found it strange nobody looked into paper's opinions. What you choose to do with his opinions is up to you.


If you think the information is not important, why do you post this:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 03:44 exarezee wrote:
Am I the only who finds it strange that nobody has gone through and looked at Paper's reads? He's the only confirmed town besides yourself, and nobody wants to look at his opinions?

And ~5 other posts about the subject?


Whether the information is important or not is subjective you. You can like his reads or not like them. It's completely up to you! But you don't care about his reads? In fact you point that you haven't gone through his filter since his lynch.

Are you that big headed that you don't want to consider another townie's reads?
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 29 2013 19:42 GMT
#1404
On July 30 2013 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 03:44 exarezee wrote:
Am I the only who finds it strange that nobody has gone through and looked at Paper's reads? He's the only confirmed town besides yourself, and nobody wants to look at his opinions?

This is stupid. Being town does not mean you are right, especially if you get lynched.


Being lynched as a townie does not mean he is right. Does being lynched town mean he is wrong? You don't want to look at his thoughts? WTF man. get off your high horse.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 29 2013 19:43 GMT
#1405
xrz unless you think he's scum for not looking back at paper please stop shitting up the thread.
If you DO think he's scum for it, explain.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 29 2013 19:44 GMT
#1406
On July 30 2013 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 04:29 exarezee wrote:
On July 30 2013 04:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 30 2013 04:21 exarezee wrote:
On July 30 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
XRZ posts stuff that Paper said, brings up no conclusions of his own. What's the point of saying what someone said if you don't reach to a conclusion? Especially when you have just said you find that important....

VA looks like he is not giving shit about this game. VA is scum when he does not give a shit about the game. He takes the easiest way out and this is what seems to be the case here.-


Are you being daft on purpose? If I knew for 100% certainty you were town, I would be more inclined to go with your reads than to follow even someone i thought was 95% chance to be town.

That's not my point. My point is that you said you find Paper as confirmed town is worth looking into. What his reads were and stuff.

When you look into them, you are just saying what Paper said, you are not saying why you think those reads are correct or wrong. You don't use the information you find to be important in the first place. Instead you are asking other people why they are not looking into his filter...

You don't need anyone's permission to show us what you found, and apparently you have found nothing important in the place you just claimed contains important information.

That's fucking scummy.


Please quote where I said it contains important information. And I will apologize to you. I said I found it strange nobody looked into paper's opinions. What you choose to do with his opinions is up to you.


If you think the information is not important, why do you post this:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 03:44 exarezee wrote:
Am I the only who finds it strange that nobody has gone through and looked at Paper's reads? He's the only confirmed town besides yourself, and nobody wants to look at his opinions?

And ~5 other posts about the subject?


For the last time, my post on this subject. I thought it was STRANGE that people didn't look into paper's reads at the end of day 1. He did provide some. Look into his reads. Whether they think he's right/wrong. Doesn't matter. His read on me was correct. He might be right about his other reads. Now that I know he is town, I know that he 100% believed those things he wrote.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 29 2013 19:44 GMT
#1407
On July 30 2013 04:41 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 30 2013 04:29 exarezee wrote:
On July 30 2013 04:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 30 2013 04:21 exarezee wrote:
On July 30 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
XRZ posts stuff that Paper said, brings up no conclusions of his own. What's the point of saying what someone said if you don't reach to a conclusion? Especially when you have just said you find that important....

VA looks like he is not giving shit about this game. VA is scum when he does not give a shit about the game. He takes the easiest way out and this is what seems to be the case here.-


Are you being daft on purpose? If I knew for 100% certainty you were town, I would be more inclined to go with your reads than to follow even someone i thought was 95% chance to be town.

That's not my point. My point is that you said you find Paper as confirmed town is worth looking into. What his reads were and stuff.

When you look into them, you are just saying what Paper said, you are not saying why you think those reads are correct or wrong. You don't use the information you find to be important in the first place. Instead you are asking other people why they are not looking into his filter...

You don't need anyone's permission to show us what you found, and apparently you have found nothing important in the place you just claimed contains important information.

That's fucking scummy.


Please quote where I said it contains important information. And I will apologize to you. I said I found it strange nobody looked into paper's opinions. What you choose to do with his opinions is up to you.


If you think the information is not important, why do you post this:
On July 30 2013 03:44 exarezee wrote:
Am I the only who finds it strange that nobody has gone through and looked at Paper's reads? He's the only confirmed town besides yourself, and nobody wants to look at his opinions?

And ~5 other posts about the subject?


Whether the information is important or not is subjective you. You can like his reads or not like them. It's completely up to you! But you don't care about his reads? In fact you point that you haven't gone through his filter since his lynch.

Are you that big headed that you don't want to consider another townie's reads?

I am well aware of Paper's reads. I do not have to go through his filter to "re-read something" just because he was town. If you find something important there, please point it out. If you don't, i don't see a reson why are you shouting people to go re-read him, or find that odd.
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exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 29 2013 19:52 GMT
#1408
On July 30 2013 04:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
xrz unless you think he's scum for not looking back at paper please stop shitting up the thread.
If you DO think he's scum for it, explain.


Yes, I think the high volume posters of this night cycle contains an above average % of scum. The only change from Day 1 end and Night 1 is that we know Papers is town and the voting switch. This should be central to why people are scum/town. Yet, people are bringing up cases they could have made on Day 1 before papers was flipped town.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 29 2013 19:54 GMT
#1409
so why am i scum to be exact?
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exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 29 2013 19:57 GMT
#1410
On July 30 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so why am i scum to be exact?


I mistyped a little. Didn't exactly read what clarity wrote. I do not have an informed opinion on whether you are scum. You are however part of the group today that have posted theories which is irrelevant upon the information gained upon the end of day 1. I find that to be more scumlike than townlike.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
July 29 2013 19:57 GMT
#1411
Rayn you gonna be here for a bit?
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 29 2013 19:59 GMT
#1412
Off the top of my head, vivax made a case against me that he could have made day 1. It's not like he missed my case on papers which was reiterated many times.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 29 2013 19:59 GMT
#1413
i am here. playing SC2 in the meantime but i am here.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 29 2013 20:01 GMT
#1414
On July 30 2013 04:57 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so why am i scum to be exact?


I mistyped a little. Didn't exactly read what clarity wrote. I do not have an informed opinion on whether you are scum. You are however part of the group today that have posted theories which is irrelevant upon the information gained upon the end of day 1. I find that to be more scumlike than townlike.

So what should we do in your opinion now?
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
July 29 2013 20:03 GMT
#1415
Cool. I want to bounce some thoughts related to FT off you? What are your thoughts on him? I'm like 90% sure he's scum from some stuff he posted around/after the lynch.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 29 2013 20:09 GMT
#1416
Can you point out the exact posts?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 29 2013 20:10 GMT
#1417
I don´t know what to think of him atm. On the other hand he seems scummy to me, but so does XRZ and they sure as hell are not both scum.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 29 2013 20:10 GMT
#1418
Man, I wish I saw this earlier. Clarity, when there is some break in the show yuo're watching I'd like to talk a little it about the reasons in your case on FT, it has multiple grave issues:

On July 27 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote:

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 09:54 FirmTofu wrote:
Yeah, I dunno what you guys are doing fluffing up the thread with fluff and general bullshit but It's be great if we could discuss the game now.


FirmTofu would like us all to actually discuss the game, instead of all this fluff that's going on, like everyone talking about the lurker lynch policy!
Granted, this post might have been in context with Koshi's 1,2,3 posts, but that was Koshi trying to prove a point.

Firmtofu before this point however, did not discuss anything other than lurker lynch policy:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 27 2013 09:25 FirmTofu wrote:
Okay, I'm back on a computer.
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 09:01 Vivax wrote:
Hi guys, I propose that we lynch the lurkiest guy D1.Obviously if someone looks really scummy then we lynch him first, but if that's not the case then we lynch the guy with the least posts. I think scum really likes to post as few as possible.

I know that's gonna look kinda scummy, but I'm going to bed now. Gn!

This comes up every game. How scummy does someone have to be for you to want to lynch them over a lurker? You have to consider that lynching lurkers provides very little information whereas lynching scummy people might tell us a lot about how people are related to one another.

On July 27 2013 09:40 FirmTofu wrote:
To all of you that are out there...

Do you think policy lynching a lurker day 1 is a good idea? Why or why not?

On July 27 2013 09:41 FirmTofu wrote:
Personally, I think we should use it as a last resort. Lynch a lurker only if
1) Half the town is lurking
or
2) All the active people look genuinely helpful/useful and none of them look like good lynches.


Shitting on town, regardless of if you're being a hypocrite or not, is something scum love doing.

=========================================================================================
If you actually went through the trouble of looking at the context of FT's post at the time, he posted it right after Vayne posted the gif of the gal with the crooked teeth, and Koshi counted to 3 in the thread. He didn't complain about the lurker discussion, he complained about general bullshit posting.
=========================================================================================

Then there is the useless vote with an easy out, classic scum:

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 11:37 FirmTofu wrote:
On July 27 2013 11:35 exarezee wrote:
@FirmTofu

I'd rather wait until more posts are made. I think only 6 or 7 of the players in the game have posted so far.

If you're going to wait, then I'm going to have to vote you until you do.
##Vote: exarezee
You can't simply say you have scumreads and not explain them.


"I am voting for you, and I will keep my vote on you until you do X!"

This is not a vote to kill scum, this is a vote to have a vote on someone, and he backs off the moment his demands are met.
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 13:31 FirmTofu wrote:
##Unvote
I'm not sure that the case on paperscraps has much substance to it, but at least it's something.


Not only does he back off the moment he's able to, he's also wishy-washy about the case itself.


=========================================================================================
That wasn't a vote to kill scum, that was a vote to get XRZ to post his scumreads. And he backed off the moment he did it. Did you really think that made FT scum? You are saying he just did it for the sake of voting. I see a guy using his vote to get information for town, don't you think?
=========================================================================================


But the most troubling things I found were his last two posts:

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 13:39 FirmTofu wrote:
If I had to lynch someone right now, it would be CJS. All of his posts are filled with fluff and he has a random vote on Oats. I'm hating having to decipher all of his wordplay in his posting.

Paperscraps would not be a bad lynch for similar reasons. I'm not as convinced as I am for CJS, but suspicion is still there.

Right now, exarezee is looking pretty town.


Notice how he explains that he's having a hard time reading CJS because of his roleplay, and Paperscraps would be a good lynch too because he's hard to read. That's all well and good, pressure them to be more easier to read, but the mindset is revealed in the part I bolded.
He first claims that if he had to lynch someone it would be CJS or Paper because they're currently hard to read, but now he's suddenly saying he's suspicious that they're scum? why?

Then he throws a random unsolicited townread into his post, because scum love giving townreads.

=========================================================================================
Do scum love giving townreads? I don't know man. It really depends. It usually means they can hardly push suspicion on the guy they townread without having to explain themselves for the townread. In fact, you can catch scum by finding unexplainable townreads.
As for your other arguments, I don't understand why someone can't assume that people who post fluff and make themselves hard to read are scum. How does that opinion make FT scum?Like, what's so scum agenda-like about what he was doing?

=========================================================================================


Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 13:41 FirmTofu wrote:
I want to hear more from stutters and the people who haven't posted yet. For all we know, the entire mafia team could be in that group of people.


This post is the epitome of useless. Instead of focusing on the information we do have, Firm decides to point out that there's no point in scumhunting because for all we know all the people who haven't posted are scum.

FirmTofu is pretty likely scum and our best lynch right now.

=========================================================================================
Did FT exclusively post that and not do anything else? Had that been the case, then this argument might have been valid, but given that Tofu had shown enough effort before, I don't think this applies at all.
=========================================================================================


I really don't like this case broski.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 29 2013 20:12 GMT
#1419
On July 29 2013 11:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
ahahahah I knew it guys .

Rayn and JAT probably scum.
JAT is definitely a smurf and not new.

FT is town. Let me explain. Lets say he is scum and looking through exarezee's filter who he knows is town. He has to look carefully and read carefully. Now on first glance, the scumslip may look like one but FT knows its not a scumslip cause exarezee is town so he never posts it.
Lets say FT is town and looking though exarezee's filter. OH SHIT SCUMSLIP. POSTPOSTPOST. oh wait not a scumslip.
Yeah. FT is town.


Things like this is suspicious. Nothing new happened. This could have been posted Day 1 to possibly prevent the mislynch. Granted, I don't think oats was there at end of day 1.

@Rayn You questioning hzflank is deserved. He made his "scum" post right near the end of the day. You missed the post first time around. Easily possible.

@Vivax using linked games to the past and showing similiarities is not a strong case. First people adapt to the game...they usually get better. Secondly at least 1 person has mentioned that this game is strange to them because of all the new players. There are so many dynamics that it seems silly to say he is playing like he did in that game and in that game he was (insert role) and thus he is that role here.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 29 2013 20:13 GMT
#1420
Like, you might wonder why I'm posting this, now that the FT lynch is out of discussion for clarity, but that case looks generally really bad, in a scummy way. It seems designed to push a lynch on a guy without genuinely trying to figure out his alignment, and the judgment is too quick for my taste.
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