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On July 30 2013 04:07 justanothertownie wrote:
You can do the same with a nightkilled townies reads...
Yes, but there are more variables to consider WHY the scum did it. We don't have to consider these extra variables right now. We know not all 8 scum put their votes on papers.
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On July 30 2013 04:04 Vivax wrote:
I'm back. Shoot, Rayn.
Let's push this town to a right track okay?
The game is atm a shitfest and i don't want to lose, so i am willing to take a leap of faith and propose the following:
For this phase, let's treat each other as confirmed town, and figure this shit out. If we are both town one of us is most likely gonna die, and i wanna have (or want you to have) as much info as possible for D2.
Agreed?
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Vayne, I cannot help you get a better read if you only use your gut and not your head.
Also, there is a serious problem with your gut. You should see a doctor.
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On July 30 2013 03:38 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, first thing I have to do is take my scum accusation on Vivax back. I went through his filter and it looks really, really townie.
Among other, less important reasons because of those:
He defended Paper very early when there was no reason for scum to do so.
He attacked me with a stupid case but backed off a little when he noticed he overlooked something I said.
His logic for the case against xrz looks good. I don't know if I agree with the whole case though (have to look at xrz again before).
He generally makes sense.
The only things I don't understand are:
Why do you compare case patterns, Vivax? Is it because you think one player writes them for the whole scumteam? I think that would be too obvious and very stupid.
I still don't like your unvote. You claim to have not known the fact that Paper still would be lynched at that point and that you wanted to cause a no-lynch. I can't understand this. If you would have succeeded then we would be in the dark for a whole cycle where we can't really analyse based on any facts. I personally find that to be horrible. Besides you would be extremely likely to be mislynched the next day because of your unvote. It wastes a whole cycle...
The only kind of reasonable explanation (at least for me) for the unvote is that you are scum and you knew Paper would still be lynched, so you tried to get town cred/fuck with other peoples minds. I am not sure that this is the case because you are so townie after all and because I have to admit it would be really bold for scum to make this stunt so for now you are town to me, but it's still weird.
No, it has to do with the way scum attacks others.
Pick target -> Find every post that could look townie in his filter -> Quote them -> Write a bunch of scummy shit you can find in each post -> Summarize, say X IS SCUM, GET ON HIM -> Vote -> Contribution finished.
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Going backwards on the papers filter:
he has a slight scum lean on koshi because he didn't attempt to switch the vote off him.
he really believes tofu is scum.
has a town read on me.
still thinks JAT is scum.
town lean on rayn and oats.
Of course, he might be wrong about everything he believes. But at least we know a guaranteed TOWN believes this. If you don't think this is useful, then so be it.
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ebwop: Find every post that could look scummy in the filter
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Vivax, you have a point in your logic regarding those people. I think exazeree looks really fucking awful with his latest contributions. I am not sure about Clarity, he looks like a really bright dude. Who was the third person, JAT? I'm not sure about him either, there were some townie things i pointed out to Oats i found out about him near the lynch. What do you think of them?
Also, flank looks like he has a fucking red stamp painted all over him if i ignore the Oats stuff he said. Should i ignore that? Koshi looks significantly better by his contributiond on N1. FT has disappeared and i think he is mafia.
Thoughts?
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Basically, the way Clarity and XRZ wrote their cases.
Another really good example is scumArtanis in Pick your Power Boardwalk Empire, just look at the pattern, it's amazingly similar to what clarity and xrz wrote.
On April 06 2013 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hi Geript. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
I'm not saying that you haven't done anything not town Mocsta-ish. There's just a very specific heuristic that town Mocsta seems to follow that you haven't hit on yet for me. I'm leaning town on you but until you get that one aspect I have a hard time putting you there fully.
As for your posting, I really like it. Translates to Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
Hi, I think you're being townie, but you're not being you-townie, yet I still think you're townie but I'm not sure if you're townie.
Oh and I think you're pretty townie. Why on earth would a townie post this?
WHY?Mocsta wasn't even close to being in danger, and the town motivation for calling someone town, then suspicious, then town eludes me. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 14:00 geript wrote:
eh, I don't value investigation roles very highly. If people want to go for them, I'm not going to prevent it. I think that there are just better options available. As for protection roles, the only one I really like is jailkeeper. If you want to post a better list I would love to see it. As a matter of fact I think it would be good for other people to chime in on general draft strategy as it would give some of the slackers a better idea of what to go for. Investigation and protective roles are truly awful for town. Who'd want less KP at night in the game, right? Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 15:05 Mocsta wrote:On April 05 2013 14:58 geript wrote:
Sorry missed that question. The more I play the less full 180's seems like 'sure thing scum tells' to me; as a matter of fact, IIRC 90% of the 180's in the last game were done by town. I'd say it's suspicious and worth looking into him more, but there was a quote from the VE/BH mason log that it reminds me of it boiled down to something like "I don't want to push Geript into a corner because the more we do that the likelier he is to look like scum and prevent us from being able to avoid a mislynch. Instead I'd rather try and interact with him on his scumreads etc." I think VE's strategy is a very good one. I think it's suspicious but not to the point that it's a full scum tell for me. I'd much rather try and interact with him in a way to not lose him in case he is town. Fair points that are applicable to anyone. Look, though my emphasis is on Rayn, I am not tunneled on him. If he proves his innocence, I will move on. But having reviewed my interactions with him, I am struggling to see how he can even be a remote town read. (From my POV) At best he is null. ==== As an aside, I think holding off lynching candidates in the top 5 draft is terrible: just because there is a risk of lynching a townie that held an awesome role. If someone be scummy, you lynch them. Full Stop. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 15:09 geript wrote:
Thank you Moc, now I know that you are town. This post apparently makes Mocsta town. In what world can scum not make a post like this? What is it about this post that makes you read him as this apparent townMocsta? Also, as Mocsta already brought up Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:On April 05 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
@VE Why are you so quiet? I'm not used to you being so behind the scenes instead of being spammy. I would like to get a read on you. I sincerely hope that isnt a scum slip. Because, I expect more from your scum play than a loose phrase like that. I think I know what you meant; but the implication is.. you are aware of what VE is doing currently; which is knowledge townies certainly do not possess.... On its own it's not lynchworthy, but with how poorly scumript has been playing so far I'd say this adds to the case. Vote scum. Vote Geript.
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XRZ posts stuff that Paper said, brings up no conclusions of his own. What's the point of saying what someone said if you don't reach to a conclusion? Especially when you have just said you find that important....
VA looks like he is not giving shit about this game. VA is scum when he does not give a shit about the game. He takes the easiest way out and this is what seems to be the case here.-
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Can we agree on Oats and Cora being town vivax?
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On July 30 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
XRZ posts stuff that Paper said, brings up no conclusions of his own. What's the point of saying what someone said if you don't reach to a conclusion? Especially when you have just said you find that important....
VA looks like he is not giving shit about this game. VA is scum when he does not give a shit about the game. He takes the easiest way out and this is what seems to be the case here.-
Are you being daft on purpose? If I knew for 100% certainty you were town, I would be more inclined to go with your reads than to follow even someone i thought was 95% chance to be town.
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On July 30 2013 04:18 Vivax wrote:Basically, the way Clarity and XRZ wrote their cases. Another really good example is scumArtanis in Pick your Power Boardwalk Empire, just look at the pattern, it's amazingly similar to what clarity and xrz wrote. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hi Geript. On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
I'm not saying that you haven't done anything not town Mocsta-ish. There's just a very specific heuristic that town Mocsta seems to follow that you haven't hit on yet for me. I'm leaning town on you but until you get that one aspect I have a hard time putting you there fully.
As for your posting, I really like it. Translates to On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
Hi, I think you're being townie, but you're not being you-townie, yet I still think you're townie but I'm not sure if you're townie.
Oh and I think you're pretty townie. Why on earth would a townie post this?
WHY?Mocsta wasn't even close to being in danger, and the town motivation for calling someone town, then suspicious, then town eludes me. On April 05 2013 14:00 geript wrote:
eh, I don't value investigation roles very highly. If people want to go for them, I'm not going to prevent it. I think that there are just better options available. As for protection roles, the only one I really like is jailkeeper. If you want to post a better list I would love to see it. As a matter of fact I think it would be good for other people to chime in on general draft strategy as it would give some of the slackers a better idea of what to go for. Investigation and protective roles are truly awful for town. Who'd want less KP at night in the game, right? On April 05 2013 15:05 Mocsta wrote:On April 05 2013 14:58 geript wrote:
Sorry missed that question. The more I play the less full 180's seems like 'sure thing scum tells' to me; as a matter of fact, IIRC 90% of the 180's in the last game were done by town. I'd say it's suspicious and worth looking into him more, but there was a quote from the VE/BH mason log that it reminds me of it boiled down to something like "I don't want to push Geript into a corner because the more we do that the likelier he is to look like scum and prevent us from being able to avoid a mislynch. Instead I'd rather try and interact with him on his scumreads etc." I think VE's strategy is a very good one. I think it's suspicious but not to the point that it's a full scum tell for me. I'd much rather try and interact with him in a way to not lose him in case he is town. Fair points that are applicable to anyone. Look, though my emphasis is on Rayn, I am not tunneled on him. If he proves his innocence, I will move on. But having reviewed my interactions with him, I am struggling to see how he can even be a remote town read. (From my POV) At best he is null. ==== As an aside, I think holding off lynching candidates in the top 5 draft is terrible: just because there is a risk of lynching a townie that held an awesome role. If someone be scummy, you lynch them. Full Stop. On April 05 2013 15:09 geript wrote:
Thank you Moc, now I know that you are town. This post apparently makes Mocsta town. In what world can scum not make a post like this? What is it about this post that makes you read him as this apparent townMocsta? Also, as Mocsta already brought up On April 05 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:On April 05 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
@VE Why are you so quiet? I'm not used to you being so behind the scenes instead of being spammy. I would like to get a read on you. I sincerely hope that isnt a scum slip. Because, I expect more from your scum play than a loose phrase like that. I think I know what you meant; but the implication is.. you are aware of what VE is doing currently; which is knowledge townies certainly do not possess.... On its own it's not lynchworthy, but with how poorly scumript has been playing so far I'd say this adds to the case. Vote scum. Vote Geript.
How the hell do you form the conclusion that because someone else did something as (insert role), I would do something in that role.
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On July 30 2013 04:21 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
XRZ posts stuff that Paper said, brings up no conclusions of his own. What's the point of saying what someone said if you don't reach to a conclusion? Especially when you have just said you find that important....
VA looks like he is not giving shit about this game. VA is scum when he does not give a shit about the game. He takes the easiest way out and this is what seems to be the case here.- Are you being daft on purpose? If I knew for 100% certainty you were town, I would be more inclined to go with your reads than to follow even someone i thought was 95% chance to be town.
That's not my point. My point is that you said you find Paper as confirmed town is worth looking into. What his reads were and stuff.
When you look into them, you are just saying what Paper said, you are not saying why you think those reads are correct or wrong. You don't use the information you find to be important in the first place. Instead you are asking other people why they are not looking into his filter...
You don't need anyone's permission to show us what you found, and apparently you have found nothing important in the place you just claimed contains important information.
That's fucking scummy.
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On July 30 2013 04:22 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 04:18 Vivax wrote:Basically, the way Clarity and XRZ wrote their cases. Another really good example is scumArtanis in Pick your Power Boardwalk Empire, just look at the pattern, it's amazingly similar to what clarity and xrz wrote. On April 06 2013 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hi Geript. On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
I'm not saying that you haven't done anything not town Mocsta-ish. There's just a very specific heuristic that town Mocsta seems to follow that you haven't hit on yet for me. I'm leaning town on you but until you get that one aspect I have a hard time putting you there fully.
As for your posting, I really like it. Translates to On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
Hi, I think you're being townie, but you're not being you-townie, yet I still think you're townie but I'm not sure if you're townie.
Oh and I think you're pretty townie. Why on earth would a townie post this?
WHY?Mocsta wasn't even close to being in danger, and the town motivation for calling someone town, then suspicious, then town eludes me. On April 05 2013 14:00 geript wrote:
eh, I don't value investigation roles very highly. If people want to go for them, I'm not going to prevent it. I think that there are just better options available. As for protection roles, the only one I really like is jailkeeper. If you want to post a better list I would love to see it. As a matter of fact I think it would be good for other people to chime in on general draft strategy as it would give some of the slackers a better idea of what to go for. Investigation and protective roles are truly awful for town. Who'd want less KP at night in the game, right? On April 05 2013 15:05 Mocsta wrote:On April 05 2013 14:58 geript wrote:
Sorry missed that question. The more I play the less full 180's seems like 'sure thing scum tells' to me; as a matter of fact, IIRC 90% of the 180's in the last game were done by town. I'd say it's suspicious and worth looking into him more, but there was a quote from the VE/BH mason log that it reminds me of it boiled down to something like "I don't want to push Geript into a corner because the more we do that the likelier he is to look like scum and prevent us from being able to avoid a mislynch. Instead I'd rather try and interact with him on his scumreads etc." I think VE's strategy is a very good one. I think it's suspicious but not to the point that it's a full scum tell for me. I'd much rather try and interact with him in a way to not lose him in case he is town. Fair points that are applicable to anyone. Look, though my emphasis is on Rayn, I am not tunneled on him. If he proves his innocence, I will move on. But having reviewed my interactions with him, I am struggling to see how he can even be a remote town read. (From my POV) At best he is null. ==== As an aside, I think holding off lynching candidates in the top 5 draft is terrible: just because there is a risk of lynching a townie that held an awesome role. If someone be scummy, you lynch them. Full Stop. On April 05 2013 15:09 geript wrote:
Thank you Moc, now I know that you are town. This post apparently makes Mocsta town. In what world can scum not make a post like this? What is it about this post that makes you read him as this apparent townMocsta? Also, as Mocsta already brought up On April 05 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:On April 05 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
@VE Why are you so quiet? I'm not used to you being so behind the scenes instead of being spammy. I would like to get a read on you. I sincerely hope that isnt a scum slip. Because, I expect more from your scum play than a loose phrase like that. I think I know what you meant; but the implication is.. you are aware of what VE is doing currently; which is knowledge townies certainly do not possess.... On its own it's not lynchworthy, but with how poorly scumript has been playing so far I'd say this adds to the case. Vote scum. Vote Geript. How the hell do you form the conclusion that because someone else did something as (insert role), I would do something in that role.
Because that's characteristic for mafiosi to do so. Nearly everyone does that as mafia-.
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On July 30 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, you have a point in your logic regarding those people. I think exazeree looks really fucking awful with his latest contributions. I am not sure about Clarity, he looks like a really bright dude. Who was the third person, JAT? I'm not sure about him either, there were some townie things i pointed out to Oats i found out about him near the lynch. What do you think of them?
Also, flank looks like he has a fucking red stamp painted all over him if i ignore the Oats stuff he said. Should i ignore that? Koshi looks significantly better by his contributiond on N1. FT has disappeared and i think he is mafia.
Thoughts?
I didn't like how JAT joined the PS wagon especially. His reasons were a bunch of disagreements he had with PS's reads, and he seems to lack townie drive (that is quite subjective though, basically communicating as much as possible, pointing out scummy things, try to let yourself get heard) and the activity is generally underwhelming,
Not sure what to make of his latest post where he townreads me, I agree with all the reasons, but I don't know why he thinks this is the time to write a townread post on me, if anything it increases the chance I get NKd, although it's probably pretty high anyway cause I can already get away with the shit I've done between almost no-lynching and fakeclaiming vig.
FT hardpushed XRZ, I believe you'll have to pick one of them cause i don't see that being a bus at all.
What I didn't like about Clarity was his FT case and that he's being rather in the sidelines during this night aside from a few post, but I didn't go through his whole filter yet.
I'm not very fond of you either tbh.
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On July 30 2013 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 04:22 exarezee wrote:On July 30 2013 04:18 Vivax wrote:Basically, the way Clarity and XRZ wrote their cases. Another really good example is scumArtanis in Pick your Power Boardwalk Empire, just look at the pattern, it's amazingly similar to what clarity and xrz wrote. On April 06 2013 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hi Geript. On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
I'm not saying that you haven't done anything not town Mocsta-ish. There's just a very specific heuristic that town Mocsta seems to follow that you haven't hit on yet for me. I'm leaning town on you but until you get that one aspect I have a hard time putting you there fully.
As for your posting, I really like it. Translates to On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
Hi, I think you're being townie, but you're not being you-townie, yet I still think you're townie but I'm not sure if you're townie.
Oh and I think you're pretty townie. Why on earth would a townie post this?
WHY?Mocsta wasn't even close to being in danger, and the town motivation for calling someone town, then suspicious, then town eludes me. On April 05 2013 14:00 geript wrote:
eh, I don't value investigation roles very highly. If people want to go for them, I'm not going to prevent it. I think that there are just better options available. As for protection roles, the only one I really like is jailkeeper. If you want to post a better list I would love to see it. As a matter of fact I think it would be good for other people to chime in on general draft strategy as it would give some of the slackers a better idea of what to go for. Investigation and protective roles are truly awful for town. Who'd want less KP at night in the game, right? On April 05 2013 15:05 Mocsta wrote:On April 05 2013 14:58 geript wrote:
Sorry missed that question. The more I play the less full 180's seems like 'sure thing scum tells' to me; as a matter of fact, IIRC 90% of the 180's in the last game were done by town. I'd say it's suspicious and worth looking into him more, but there was a quote from the VE/BH mason log that it reminds me of it boiled down to something like "I don't want to push Geript into a corner because the more we do that the likelier he is to look like scum and prevent us from being able to avoid a mislynch. Instead I'd rather try and interact with him on his scumreads etc." I think VE's strategy is a very good one. I think it's suspicious but not to the point that it's a full scum tell for me. I'd much rather try and interact with him in a way to not lose him in case he is town. Fair points that are applicable to anyone. Look, though my emphasis is on Rayn, I am not tunneled on him. If he proves his innocence, I will move on. But having reviewed my interactions with him, I am struggling to see how he can even be a remote town read. (From my POV) At best he is null. ==== As an aside, I think holding off lynching candidates in the top 5 draft is terrible: just because there is a risk of lynching a townie that held an awesome role. If someone be scummy, you lynch them. Full Stop. On April 05 2013 15:09 geript wrote:
Thank you Moc, now I know that you are town. This post apparently makes Mocsta town. In what world can scum not make a post like this? What is it about this post that makes you read him as this apparent townMocsta? Also, as Mocsta already brought up On April 05 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:On April 05 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
@VE Why are you so quiet? I'm not used to you being so behind the scenes instead of being spammy. I would like to get a read on you. I sincerely hope that isnt a scum slip. Because, I expect more from your scum play than a loose phrase like that. I think I know what you meant; but the implication is.. you are aware of what VE is doing currently; which is knowledge townies certainly do not possess.... On its own it's not lynchworthy, but with how poorly scumript has been playing so far I'd say this adds to the case. Vote scum. Vote Geript. How the hell do you form the conclusion that because someone else did something as (insert role), I would do something in that role. Because that's characteristic for mafiosi to do so. Nearly everyone does that as mafia-.
How the hell do you make some broad generic statement like that when he found something from 1 game. If I find a game where somebody refuses to give their day1 scum reads (and he is in fact scum), I should apply that logic to vayne and try to get him lynched?
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On July 30 2013 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we agree on Oats and Cora being town vivax?
Yeah sure.
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On July 30 2013 04:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 04:21 exarezee wrote:On July 30 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
XRZ posts stuff that Paper said, brings up no conclusions of his own. What's the point of saying what someone said if you don't reach to a conclusion? Especially when you have just said you find that important....
VA looks like he is not giving shit about this game. VA is scum when he does not give a shit about the game. He takes the easiest way out and this is what seems to be the case here.- Are you being daft on purpose? If I knew for 100% certainty you were town, I would be more inclined to go with your reads than to follow even someone i thought was 95% chance to be town. That's not my point. My point is that you said you find Paper as confirmed town is worth looking into. What his reads were and stuff. When you look into them, you are just saying what Paper said, you are not saying why you think those reads are correct or wrong. You don't use the information you find to be important in the first place. Instead you are asking other people why they are not looking into his filter... You don't need anyone's permission to show us what you found, and apparently you have found nothing important in the place you just claimed contains important information. That's fucking scummy.
Please quote where I said it contains important information. And I will apologize to you. I said I found it strange nobody looked into paper's opinions. What you choose to do with his opinions is up to you.
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Watching sgdq bro, am keeping up with the thread but not filterdiving or anything. I'll get a post up before night ends obviously.
Yes, I just admitted to LURKING, omg.
Seriously though, my cases are the same town or scum, you're actually making me doubt the way I make cases though.
I get a feeling someone is scum, I read through all their stuff in context, then if I still think he's scum I try to convince others.
Using their posts and viewing it from a scum/town perspective and explaining which makes more sense seems like the way to do it.
You're using cases that scum have made that have the same building blocks, picking away at posts, but I bet I can find a ton of them made by townies as well so I don't really understand your point. Other than my FT case, do I look like scum to you?
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On July 30 2013 04:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, you have a point in your logic regarding those people. I think exazeree looks really fucking awful with his latest contributions. I am not sure about Clarity, he looks like a really bright dude. Who was the third person, JAT? I'm not sure about him either, there were some townie things i pointed out to Oats i found out about him near the lynch. What do you think of them?
Also, flank looks like he has a fucking red stamp painted all over him if i ignore the Oats stuff he said. Should i ignore that? Koshi looks significantly better by his contributiond on N1. FT has disappeared and i think he is mafia.
Thoughts? I didn't like how JAT joined the PS wagon especially. His reasons were a bunch of disagreements he had with PS's reads, and he seems to lack townie drive (that is quite subjective though, basically communicating as much as possible, pointing out scummy things, try to let yourself get heard) and the activity is generally underwhelming, Not sure what to make of his latest post where he townreads me, I agree with all the reasons, but I don't know why he thinks this is the time to write a townread post on me, if anything it increases the chance I get NKd, although it's probably pretty high anyway cause I can already get away with the shit I've done between almost no-lynching and fakeclaiming vig. FT hardpushed XRZ, I believe you'll have to pick one of them cause i don't see that being a bus at all. What I didn't like about Clarity was his FT case and that he's being rather in the sidelines during this night aside from a few post, but I didn't go through his whole filter yet. I'm not very fond of you either tbh.
You are right about FT - XRZ. hmm..
I especially didn't like how Clarity backed off from FT, and the stuff i said earlier on N1.
You have a point on JAT. That's why i thought he was scummy in the first place. I need to reconsider my read on him as i thought his posts i quoted to Oats were pretty townish. I dunno if i am wrong, Oats seemed to disagree with me, what do you think?
What do you think of flank?
That being said;
If there is a doctor, doc Vivax!
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