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On July 27 2013 13:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
Yea it's classic scum play but I've never played with him before so not jumping to any conclusions. Scum are the first ones to make facetious comments like that last post you quoted. We'll have to keep an eye on him at the least.
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On July 30 2013 02:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah okay fuck Vayne and vig him once its day unless hes done something useful during this nightphase.
++ towniepoints
On July 30 2013 02:20 Koshi wrote:
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU SHOOTING VAYNE YOU FUCKERS?
WE GOT A PERFECT SCUM TARGET IN HZFLANK AND YOU ARE GOING TO SHOOT SOMEBODY WHO IS ANNOYING?
YOU SCUM VIVAX?
-- towniepoints
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Vayne, what do you think about the fact that I have the filter size in this game that I had after 6 days in that game where I rolled scum?
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I think that the roulette setup was stupid and shitty so you didn't really care as much. Also the fact that your PR got killed first day.
I think hzflank is a lot scummier than you anyway after his interaction with koshi. Read like shit so ill be voting him unless anything really weird happens tonight or tomorrow.
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On July 30 2013 02:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
I think that the roulette setup was stupid and shitty so you didn't really care as much. Also the fact that your PR got killed first day.
I think hzflank is a lot scummier than you anyway after his interaction with koshi. Read like shit so ill be voting him unless anything really weird happens tonight or tomorrow.
What exactly didn't you like about hzflank, honeybear?
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What's the case against me again?
Is it basically, my arguments against paper were poor? Why didn't you make this accusation on Day 1. It is because paper flipped town? 7 other people voted paper just so you know.
Once paper said that he was joking I stopped using his day early Day 1 as my "case" against him. It is only after he states he was actually voting me NOT AS A JOKE but to put pressure on me. Joke vote != putting pressure on someone. Once he makes this statement, I can use his Day 1 again, as I am NOT convinced he was joking in Day 1A. How is this not logical for a townsperson.
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How is it congruous that someone basically say: "Ignore all my posts from earlier, they were jokes." to then say: "i was doing what I did yesterday to elicit reactions (scumhunt?) from you"
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If you spent more time arguing on why somebody is scum it would lend more strength to your cause rather than complaining all the time that I have a scumread on you, cause that's what you have been doing this night phase.
What's your take on Vayne, Rayn, Clarity, Koshi etc etc., what are your current scumreads?
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On July 30 2013 03:25 Vivax wrote:
If you spent more time arguing on why somebody is scum it would lend more strength to your cause rather than complaining all the time that I have a scumread on you, cause that's what you have been doing this night phase.
What's your take on Vayne, Rayn, Clarity, Koshi etc etc., what are your current scumreads?
complaining all the time? you asked me to explain this and that. I've made 3 posts to you explaining what I did. This is complaining? WTF.
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Ok, first thing I have to do is take my scum accusation on Vivax back. I went through his filter and it looks really, really townie.
Among other, less important reasons because of those:
He defended Paper very early when there was no reason for scum to do so.
He attacked me with a stupid case but backed off a little when he noticed he overlooked something I said.
His logic for the case against xrz looks good. I don't know if I agree with the whole case though (have to look at xrz again before).
He generally makes sense.
The only things I don't understand are:
Why do you compare case patterns, Vivax? Is it because you think one player writes them for the whole scumteam? I think that would be too obvious and very stupid.
I still don't like your unvote. You claim to have not known the fact that Paper still would be lynched at that point and that you wanted to cause a no-lynch. I can't understand this. If you would have succeeded then we would be in the dark for a whole cycle where we can't really analyse based on any facts. I personally find that to be horrible. Besides you would be extremely likely to be mislynched the next day because of your unvote. It wastes a whole cycle...
The only kind of reasonable explanation (at least for me) for the unvote is that you are scum and you knew Paper would still be lynched, so you tried to get town cred/fuck with other peoples minds. I am not sure that this is the case because you are so townie after all and because I have to admit it would be really bold for scum to make this stunt so for now you are town to me, but it's still weird.
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What has changed since the end of Day 1. What new info do we have? We know that paper is town. How does this affect Vayne. If you've got some town or scum lean on him because papers has flipped town, it's made up.
Koshi's find on hzflank is pretty good. I'm trying to look at it from hzflank's point of view as town and see if it's possible. It is possible in a weird sort of logic. Let's pretend hzflank is town and not that confident on paper but still more confident than anyone else. basically better than 4/13 chance of scum. He could be trying to say in case papers is town, koshi's scum vote to town paper could be an attempt to get a mislynch on him day2. So basically it comes down to how confident hzflank was that papers is town at the present time. I will re-read this and form a better opinion soon.
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You have some points JAT but why does someone defending a townie early make him town? Scum do it all the time
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Am I the only who finds it strange that nobody has gone through and looked at Paper's reads? He's the only confirmed town besides yourself, and nobody wants to look at his opinions?
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On July 30 2013 01:53 hzflank wrote:Stutters' filter looks horrible. Stutters disagrees with both of Tofu's scum reads. Stutters also says that he is going to check out FT a bit closer. Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote:On July 29 2013 04:24 FirmTofu wrote:
Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.
Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee. Reread it, he's so obviously town I find it hard to believe you can't see it. Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote:
And on that note, going to check out FT a bit closer. Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:53 Stutters695 wrote:
Also Tofu read page 5 and 6 of his filter. That isn't scum responses at all. Stutters later says he has not yet looked at Tofu but has him as null. Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 06:16 Stutters695 wrote:
FT: I haven't looked at him too much. I'll have to get back to you on that. I had him kinda null but your post makes sense.
Stutters thinks that Paper is scum but is willing to sheep Rayn onto Tofu. Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 06:18 Stutters695 wrote:
Onto today's lynch, Paper is my choice. Because Rayn has a good track record and we think similarly, if Paper doesn't get traction I'll sheep him onto FT. I don't want a no lynch. Stutters is also willing to sheep Rayn onto Koshi. Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 08:01 Stutters695 wrote:On July 29 2013 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi is not dumb. He just isn't. I said that in I swear 2 and while i was mafia i was not lying. Hmm you're right. Tbh I didn't really pay attention to him in I swear because of what I heard in the NWM postgame. His reads were good in I swear. I could get behind this then, he really doesn't have an excuse in that case. Stutters changes his mind regarding a no lynch. Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 08:55 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm like 99% sure paper is town now. Wouldn't a no lynch be better if people won't switch? Stutters, you obviously had a very strong town read on Rayn as soon as he joined the game. Why? Considering that you disagreed with both of Tofu's scum reads and said that you were going to look into him, why did you not look into him until Rayn prompted you to? You also seemed to completely sheep Rayn as your read on Paper changed. In fact I would say that since Rayn began to participate all you did was just completely sheep him. Would you be a darling and perhaps provide an original opinion in future? Thanks.
You don't know me that well apparently. I'm really bad about making promises in this game(mafia in general) and not following through. It's a bad habit but when I say I'm going to check someone out that usually means when I get around to it.
I was 100% willing to sheep Rayn on Tofu. We have a similar thought process(imo) and by thinking Rayn is town/generally has good reads I'm willing to follow him in a situation like that because we needed a lynch and it felt like both of them couldn't be scum. So getting behind FT still would have shed some light on Paper.
You're misrepresenting me on Koshi. He's scummy as shit, but he always is. I was talking with Rayn, he suggested I look at I Swear 2 again since I've kind of just ignored Koshi since NWM. After I went back and actually checked his play there, he has no excuse for this game.
You're also misrepresenting my post about the no-lynch. After Paper started posting right before the deadline I changed my mind and thought he was town. I didn't think a no-lynch was a great idea there but I did think it was a decent idea compared to hitting someone I now thought was town. I didn't pull the trigger on it because we did gain a bunch of info and there was the small chance he was making a ballsy scum play. In the future I'll probably go for the no lynch.
Regarding my town read on Rayn: I'm pretty bad at reading him TBH. I generally have a solid town read on him if he is there. If he is lurking he's probably scum, but what convinced me he was town was his list post. Unlike 99% of list posts that just say "I think this dude is scum because he lurks." Not only was his reasoning very similar to my thought process(outside of the discussion him and I had about a select few) he clearly was putting a significant amount of effort into the post and wanted to follow up on questions.
I like bouncing discussion with people who have an open mindset(BH in Les Mis, multiple games with Marv, etc)
Hope that clears it up. I'll drop a knowledge bomb on who to lynch once u get it typed up, work is busy.
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I'm really lead to believe there's a heavy amount of scum in the people who have been posting a lot of theories today. None of you care what paper's thoughts are?
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Nope Exar. As I have already said, I was trying to find a reason as to why a town-Koshi would switch his vote so easily to Paper. I needed to find such a reason to justify to myself that it was better to leave my vote on Paper.
That is my reasoning. If you do not believe that reasoning could come from town that is fine, but I am certainly not going to start to lie about why I did something.
Also remember what my opinion of Koshi was and is. Either he is scum who feels the need to tunnel me out of desperation to look town, or he is town who is frothing at the mouth at the thought of catching me in my scummy ways.
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On July 30 2013 03:44 exarezee wrote:
Am I the only who finds it strange that nobody has gone through and looked at Paper's reads? He's the only confirmed town besides yourself, and nobody wants to look at his opinions?
This is stupid. Being town does not mean you are right, especially if you get lynched.
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On July 30 2013 03:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
You have some points JAT but why does someone defending a townie early make him town? Scum do it all the time
Maybe, but I don't think that's the case here. There was not much town cred to get because there wasn't a wagon on Paper at that time and on top of that he attacked hzflank for the case on Paper. It just feels very townie to me.
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exarezee; Also if you think that's important, why don't you go over his posts and see what's in there?
Vivax, can you please talk to me.
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